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[shadyridr]

What a joke

+1I'm no Mets fan but Wright being a reserve for Panda is ridiculous

And Dunn over Edwin is a ####### travesty.

I like EE and think he should make it over him, but its far from a "travesty". Apart from BA, the numbers are pretty similar and Dunn has been a catalyst on a first place team.

They aren't similar. EE is better than him in pretty much every single category. Even forgetting about advanced stats, the guy is hitting .210!!! He should be nowhere near an all-star game.

As of tonight...Stats: EE / Dunnavg .291 .210oba .375 .359HR 22 24RBI 55 58runs 50 44SLG .569 .507More homers, more RBI, these numbers still carry weight, and he's 3rd and 4th in the league respectively in those categories. Dunn's numbers mean more based on their place in the standings.

you picked out the only two stats he has better than EE and they are extremely close in both those categories, yet you ignore the stats EE blows him away in

 

[Smack Tripper]

What a joke

+1I'm no Mets fan but Wright being a reserve for Panda is ridiculous

And Dunn over Edwin is a ####### travesty.

I like EE and think he should make it over him, but its far from a "travesty". Apart from BA, the numbers are pretty similar and Dunn has been a catalyst on a first place team.

They aren't similar. EE is better than him in pretty much every single category. Even forgetting about advanced stats, the guy is hitting .210!!! He should be nowhere near an all-star game.

As of tonight...Stats: EE / Dunnavg .291 .210oba .375 .359HR 22 24RBI 55 58runs 50 44SLG .569 .507More homers, more RBI, these numbers still carry weight, and he's 3rd and 4th in the league respectively in those categories. Dunn's numbers mean more based on their place in the standings.

you picked out the only two stats he has better than EE and they are extremely close in both those categories, yet you ignore the stats EE blows him away in

Make your case. I acknowledge that he smokes in BA, and thus accordingly Slugging by about the same margin. I'm sure the same margin would be there in OPS, what else would you like included? They are not big doubles guys, what stats would you like me to include here?I stated above I VOTED for EE, my bone of contention is that Dunn is somehow completely unworthy as compares to EE. Dunn is not paid to dunk in singles, he's paid to hit the ball in the seats.EDITI see Cliff put the metrics on page 3 at the end. All of the disconnects seem to go back to the difference in BA, and look, if its my vote, I go EE but its outrageous to insinuate this is an outrage.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

What a joke

+1I'm no Mets fan but Wright being a reserve for Panda is ridiculous

And Dunn over Edwin is a ####### travesty.

I like EE and think he should make it over him, but its far from a "travesty". Apart from BA, the numbers are pretty similar and Dunn has been a catalyst on a first place team.

They aren't similar. EE is better than him in pretty much every single category. Even forgetting about advanced stats, the guy is hitting .210!!! He should be nowhere near an all-star game.

As of tonight...

Stats: EE / Dunn

avg .291 .210

oba .375 .359

HR 22 24

RBI 55 58

runs 50 44

SLG .569 .507

More homers, more RBI, these numbers still carry weight, and he's 3rd and 4th in the league respectively in those categories. Dunn's numbers mean more based on their place in the standings.

you picked out the only two stats he has better than EE and they are extremely close in both those categories, yet you ignore the stats EE blows him away in

Make your case. I acknowledge that he smokes in BA, and thus accordingly Slugging by about the same margin. I'm sure the same margin would be there in OPS, what else would you like included? They are not big doubles guys, what stats would you like me to include here?I stated above I VOTED for EE, my bone of contention is that Dunn is somehow completely unworthy as compares to EE. Dunn is not paid to dunk in singles, he's paid to hit the ball in the seats.

EDIT

I see Cliff put the metrics on page 3 at the end. All of the disconnects seem to go back to the difference in BA, and look, if its my vote, I go EE but its outrageous to insinuate this is an outrage.

I don't believe it is. In basic stats, they are essentially equal except for average which isn't even close. Dunn's average is embarrassingly bad while EE is closing in on .300. I'd love to see where it ranks in all-star history. Has to be the worst ever for an "all-star".

 

[Don Quixote]

Maybe it's just because I follow a lot of Nats people on Twitter, but I'm getting annoyed at this final vote on Twitter today. My Twitter feed has been essentially worthless all afternoon, and I've been forced to do work instead.

 

[beaux]

Maybe it's just because I follow a lot of Nats people on Twitter, but I'm getting annoyed at this final vote on Twitter today. My Twitter feed has been essentially worthless all afternoon, and I've been forced to do work instead.

Well it will all be over at 4pm ET today, but this is the problem...

Tweets that include player hashtags will count toward totals; voting ends at 4 ET

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

What a joke

+1I'm no Mets fan but Wright being a reserve for Panda is ridiculous

And Dunn over Edwin is a ####### travesty.

I like EE and think he should make it over him, but its far from a "travesty". Apart from BA, the numbers are pretty similar and Dunn has been a catalyst on a first place team.

They aren't similar. EE is better than him in pretty much every single category. Even forgetting about advanced stats, the guy is hitting .210!!! He should be nowhere near an all-star game.

As of tonight...

Stats: EE / Dunn

avg .291 .210

oba .375 .359

HR 22 24

RBI 55 58

runs 50 44

SLG .569 .507

More homers, more RBI, these numbers still carry weight, and he's 3rd and 4th in the league respectively in those categories. Dunn's numbers mean more based on their place in the standings.

you picked out the only two stats he has better than EE and they are extremely close in both those categories, yet you ignore the stats EE blows him away in

Make your case. I acknowledge that he smokes in BA, and thus accordingly Slugging by about the same margin. I'm sure the same margin would be there in OPS, what else would you like included? They are not big doubles guys, what stats would you like me to include here?I stated above I VOTED for EE, my bone of contention is that Dunn is somehow completely unworthy as compares to EE. Dunn is not paid to dunk in singles, he's paid to hit the ball in the seats.

EDIT

I see Cliff put the metrics on page 3 at the end. All of the disconnects seem to go back to the difference in BA, and look, if its my vote, I go EE but its outrageous to insinuate this is an outrage.

I don't believe it is. In basic stats, they are essentially equal except for average which isn't even close. Dunn's average is embarrassingly bad while EE is closing in on .300. I'd love to see where it ranks in all-star history. Has to be the worst ever for an "all-star".

Some all time worst "all-stars" here: http://www.realclearsports.com/lists/top_10_mlb_allstars/alfredo_griffin.html?state=stopAlso, I could have sworn Ozzie Smith had a year where he was hitting about 2 bills and made the team.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

What a joke

+1I'm no Mets fan but Wright being a reserve for Panda is ridiculous

And Dunn over Edwin is a ####### travesty.

I like EE and think he should make it over him, but its far from a "travesty". Apart from BA, the numbers are pretty similar and Dunn has been a catalyst on a first place team.

They aren't similar. EE is better than him in pretty much every single category. Even forgetting about advanced stats, the guy is hitting .210!!! He should be nowhere near an all-star game.

As of tonight...

Stats: EE / Dunn

avg .291 .210

oba .375 .359

HR 22 24

RBI 55 58

runs 50 44

SLG .569 .507

More homers, more RBI, these numbers still carry weight, and he's 3rd and 4th in the league respectively in those categories. Dunn's numbers mean more based on their place in the standings.

you picked out the only two stats he has better than EE and they are extremely close in both those categories, yet you ignore the stats EE blows him away in

Make your case. I acknowledge that he smokes in BA, and thus accordingly Slugging by about the same margin. I'm sure the same margin would be there in OPS, what else would you like included? They are not big doubles guys, what stats would you like me to include here?I stated above I VOTED for EE, my bone of contention is that Dunn is somehow completely unworthy as compares to EE. Dunn is not paid to dunk in singles, he's paid to hit the ball in the seats.

EDIT

I see Cliff put the metrics on page 3 at the end. All of the disconnects seem to go back to the difference in BA, and look, if its my vote, I go EE but its outrageous to insinuate this is an outrage.

I don't believe it is. In basic stats, they are essentially equal except for average which isn't even close. Dunn's average is embarrassingly bad while EE is closing in on .300. I'd love to see where it ranks in all-star history. Has to be the worst ever for an "all-star".

Some all time worst "all-stars" here: http://www.realclearsports.com/lists/top_10_mlb_allstars/alfredo_griffin.html?state=stopAlso, I could have sworn Ozzie Smith had a year where he was hitting about 2 bills and made the team.

Dunn has the 4th worst avg out of qualified AL players and the most strikeouts by far... yet he is an all-star. Travesty.

 

[Smack Tripper]

LaRussa's explanation as to why he didn't want to start Dickey is disgraceful. This nonsense about "you don't want to get behind early" is nonsense unless you're not even going to pitch the guy.

Admit you don't like or appreciate knuckleballers and I could respect but disagree with it. Just ridiculous.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

LaRussa's explanation as to why he didn't want to start Dickey is disgraceful. This nonsense about "you don't want to get behind early" is nonsense unless you're not even going to pitch the guy. Admit you don't like or appreciate knuckleballers and I could respect but disagree with it. Just ridiculous.

I thought starting him was his best option in that Dickey could mess up the swings of any batter who stayed in for more at-bats.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

EE should be on the team but he IS a DH afterall, meh.

Austin Jackson is 5th in the AL in OPS, errorless in CF, 5th best UZR of all AL OFers and probably a legit MVP candidate.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

EE should be on the team but he IS a DH afterall, meh.

Austin Jackson is 5th in the AL in OPS, errorless in CF, 5th best UZR/150 of all AL OFers and probably a legit MVP candidate. Not enough spots though, Ranger fans had to have Mike Napoli starting with his impressive .759 OPS. Remember when people discovered the internet and everyone had to buy something from Amazon? Same thing happened with the All-Star team this year.

I'm actually surprised Ron Washington didn't select Alvin Gentry, guy can steal a base afterall.

 

[Eephus]

EE should be on the team but he IS a DH afterall, meh.Austin Jackson is 5th in the AL in OPS, errorless in CF, 5th best UZR/150 of all AL OFers and probably a legit MVP candidate. Not enough spots though, Ranger fans had to have Mike Napoli starting with his impressive .759 OPS. Remember when people discovered the internet and everyone had to buy something from Amazon? Same thing happened with the All-Star team this year.I'm actually surprised Ron Washington didn't select Alvin Gentry, guy can steal a base afterall.

...and coach the Phoenix Suns

 

[Doctor Detroit]

EE should be on the team but he IS a DH afterall, meh.

Austin Jackson is 5th in the AL in OPS, errorless in CF, 5th best UZR/150 of all AL OFers and probably a legit MVP candidate. Not enough spots though, Ranger fans had to have Mike Napoli starting with his impressive .759 OPS. Remember when people discovered the internet and everyone had to buy something from Amazon? Same thing happened with the All-Star team this year.

I'm actually surprised Ron Washington didn't select Alvin Gentry, guy can steal a base afterall.

...and coach the Phoenix Suns

Ron was learning how to smoke cocaine out of a small piece of aluminum foil right around the time that song hit the streets.

 

[Wrigley]

Why didn't Pence make the team....just snubbed?

 

[Annyong]

Why didn't Pence make the team....just snubbed?

not more deserving than melky/braun/beltran/bruce/mccutchen/bourn/cargo/kemp/stanton IMO

 

[Annyong]

Why didn't Pence make the team....just snubbed?

not more deserving than melky/braun/beltran/bruce/mccutchen/bourn/cargo/kemp/stanton IMO

prolly more deserving then Harper, but thats it.

 

[Wrigley]

Why didn't Pence make the team....just snubbed?

not more deserving than melky/braun/beltran/bruce/mccutchen/bourn/cargo/kemp/stanton IMO

Melky: 55-8-44-10Braun: 56-24-61-15 Beltran: 50-20-65-8Bruce: 47-18-56-5 McCutchen: 58-18-60-14 Bourn: 60-7-32-25 Kemp: 30-12-28-2(shouldn't even be playing)Cargo: 61-17-58-11Stanton: 46-19-50-5 Harper: 43-8-25-10Pence: 58-16-50-4Should be in front of Melky and Harper.....could be argued Bruce, Stanton, and even Bourn(who's a one trick pony)Guy didn't even make the final fan votejobbed imo

 

[Eephus]

Why didn't Pence make the team....just snubbed?

not more deserving than melky/braun/beltran/bruce/mccutchen/bourn/cargo/kemp/stanton IMO

Melky: 55-8-44-10Braun: 56-24-61-15 Beltran: 50-20-65-8Bruce: 47-18-56-5 McCutchen: 58-18-60-14 Bourn: 60-7-32-25 Kemp: 30-12-28-2(shouldn't even be playing)Cargo: 61-17-58-11Stanton: 46-19-50-5 Harper: 43-8-25-10Pence: 58-16-50-4Should be in front of Melky and Harper.....could be argued Bruce, Stanton, and even Bourn(who's a one trick pony)Guy didn't even make the final fan votejobbed imo

Pence has been productive but his resume isn't significantly better than anyone who made the team. He has good counting stats but a 123 OPS+ from a corner OF isn't that impressive. It's 35 points lower than Melky's and pretty comparable to Bourn, who's been much more than a one trick pony during the first half.The Phillies haven't been good enough to warrant >1 representative.

 

[Don Quixote]

Pence's defense is terrible. While WAR is not a perfect measure, Harper has a significantly higher WAR (1.5 to 1.0, per B-R) because of how awful Pence is on defense.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Why didn't Pence make the team....just snubbed?

not more deserving than melky/braun/beltran/bruce/mccutchen/bourn/cargo/kemp/stanton IMO

Melky: 55-8-44-10Braun: 56-24-61-15 Beltran: 50-20-65-8Bruce: 47-18-56-5 McCutchen: 58-18-60-14 Bourn: 60-7-32-25 Kemp: 30-12-28-2(shouldn't even be playing)Cargo: 61-17-58-11Stanton: 46-19-50-5 Harper: 43-8-25-10Pence: 58-16-50-4Should be in front of Melky and Harper.....could be argued Bruce, Stanton, and even Bourn(who's a one trick pony)Guy didn't even make the final fan votejobbed imo

Melky's got 119 hits

 

[curta269]

Why didn't Pence make the team....just snubbed?

not more deserving than melky/braun/beltran/bruce/mccutchen/bourn/cargo/kemp/stanton IMO

Melky: 55-8-44-10Braun: 56-24-61-15 Beltran: 50-20-65-8Bruce: 47-18-56-5 McCutchen: 58-18-60-14 Bourn: 60-7-32-25 Kemp: 30-12-28-2(shouldn't even be playing)Cargo: 61-17-58-11Stanton: 46-19-50-5 Harper: 43-8-25-10Pence: 58-16-50-4Should be in front of Melky and Harper.....could be argued Bruce, Stanton, and even Bourn(who's a one trick pony)Guy didn't even make the final fan votejobbed imo

Melky's got 119 hits

And Melky won MVP!

 

[Wrigley]

Why didn't Pence make the team....just snubbed?

not more deserving than melky/braun/beltran/bruce/mccutchen/bourn/cargo/kemp/stanton IMO

Melky: 55-8-44-10Braun: 56-24-61-15 Beltran: 50-20-65-8Bruce: 47-18-56-5 McCutchen: 58-18-60-14 Bourn: 60-7-32-25 Kemp: 30-12-28-2(shouldn't even be playing)Cargo: 61-17-58-11Stanton: 46-19-50-5 Harper: 43-8-25-10Pence: 58-16-50-4Should be in front of Melky and Harper.....could be argued Bruce, Stanton, and even Bourn(who's a one trick pony)Guy didn't even make the final fan votejobbed imo

Melky's got 119 hits

And Melky won MVP!

now imagine what Pence would have done.120 hits?

 

[Annyong]

Why didn't Pence make the team....just snubbed?

not more deserving than melky/braun/beltran/bruce/mccutchen/bourn/cargo/kemp/stanton IMO

Melky: 55-8-44-10Braun: 56-24-61-15 Beltran: 50-20-65-8Bruce: 47-18-56-5 McCutchen: 58-18-60-14 Bourn: 60-7-32-25 Kemp: 30-12-28-2(shouldn't even be playing)Cargo: 61-17-58-11Stanton: 46-19-50-5 Harper: 43-8-25-10Pence: 58-16-50-4Should be in front of Melky and Harper.....could be argued Bruce, Stanton, and even Bourn(who's a one trick pony)Guy didn't even make the final fan votejobbed imo

Melky's got 119 hits

And Melky won MVP!

now imagine what Pence would have done.120 hits?

nope, 97

 

[Wrigley]

Why didn't Pence make the team....just snubbed?

not more deserving than melky/braun/beltran/bruce/mccutchen/bourn/cargo/kemp/stanton IMO

Melky: 55-8-44-10Braun: 56-24-61-15 Beltran: 50-20-65-8Bruce: 47-18-56-5 McCutchen: 58-18-60-14 Bourn: 60-7-32-25 Kemp: 30-12-28-2(shouldn't even be playing)Cargo: 61-17-58-11Stanton: 46-19-50-5 Harper: 43-8-25-10Pence: 58-16-50-4Should be in front of Melky and Harper.....could be argued Bruce, Stanton, and even Bourn(who's a one trick pony)Guy didn't even make the final fan votejobbed imo

Melky's got 119 hits

And Melky won MVP!

now imagine what Pence would have done.120 hits?

nope, 97

Damn it!!!!