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American held hostage by al Qaeda appeals to Obama... (1 Viewer)

Abdul Haq Wasiq

A HIGH risk, as he is likely to pose a threat to the US, its interests and allies

Reasons for Continued Detention: Detainee was a high-level Taliban

intelligence officer who had direct access to the Taliban and ACM leadership. He was

central to Taliban efforts to fonn alliances with other Islamic fundamentalist groups to fight

alongside the Taliban against US and Coalition forces after the 11 September 2001 attacks.

Detainee also coordinated intelligence training between al-Qaida and the Taliban. Detainee

assisted al-Qaida and Taliban elements to elude Coalition forces.
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http://projects.nytimes.com/guantanamo/detainees/4-abdul-haq-wasiq

 
Mullah Norullah Nori

Assessment: Detainee is assessed to be a HIGH risk, as he is likely to pose a threat to the US, its interests and allies. b. (S//NF) Reasons for Continued Detention: Detainee is an admitted senior member of the Taliban and led troops against US and Coalition forces. Detainee was directly subordinate to Taliban Supreme Leader Mullah Omar, commanded Taliban forces in northern Afghanistan, and in late 2001, he was in charge of Taliban troops positioned near Mazar-e-Sharif. Detainee is wanted by the UN for possible war crimes including the murder of thousands of Shiites. Detainee is also associated with members of al-Qaida, Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU), Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) and the Hezb-EIslami Gulbuddin (HIG).
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http://projects.nytimes.com/guantanamo/detainees/6-mullah-norullah-noori

 
Mohammad Fazl

If released, detainee would likely rejoin the Taliban and establish ties with ACM

elements participating in hostilities against US and Coalition forces in Afghanistan.

GTMO detennined this detainee to be:

0 A HIGH risk, as he is likely to pose a threat to the US, its interests, and allies

Reasons for Continued Detention: Detainee is an admitted senior official of

the Taliban government and anny and was last assigned to the position of Deputy Minister of

Defense. Detainee also served as Chief of Staff ofthe Taliban Army and a commander of the

22nd Division. Detainee is wanted by the UN for possible war crimes including the murder

of thousands of Shiites. Detainee had operational associations with significant al-Qaida and

other extremist personnel. Detainee wielded considerable influence throughout the northern

region of Afghanistan and his influence continued even after his capture. If released,

detainee would likely rejoin the Taliban and establish ties with anti-Coalition militias (ACM)

participating in hostilities against US and Coalition forces in Afghanistan.

0 F) Detainee is an admitted senior official ofthe Taliban government and anny

and was last assigned to the position of Deputy Minister of Defense.
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http://projects.nytimes.com/guantanamo/detainees/7-mullah-mohammad-fazl

 
I spent the next five years in a POW camp, forced to subsist on a thin stew made of fish, vegetables, prawns, coconut milk, and four kinds of rice. I came close to madness trying to find it here in the States, but they just can't get the spices right.

 
They released them to Qatar, it doesn't necessarily mean they are going free. Two pretty bad guys in there for sure, Nori could be turned over to the UN or to Pakistani intelligence which might end very badly for him.

Max Power said:
I hope the next step is Leavenworth. Screw that guy.
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Yeah I'm interested to hear the circumstances of his capture. Regardless of what they were, it was his fault and his fault alone. Having spent a good deal of time in Afghanistan, I can tell you it's not easy to just walk away.

 
I travel to the Middle East on occasion for work, and what I sometimes wish the State Department would do is offer to let at least some of us (Americans, traveling in the region) voluntarily, quietly have GPS trackers implanted somewhere inside our bodies. Then, if we ever were to be kidnapped while in the region (and again, unless you like to frequent places like Yemen or Pakistan, the chances of it happening are probably lower than your chances of dying in a car wreck tonight), they'd either:

1. Know where to send in the SEALs, or

2. Send in the drone(s) and turn the camp/house/_______ where you are/were being held into sulfur.

5+ dead al Qaeda for 1 dead me sounds like a pretty fair deal in the war on terror. Not that I want to be dead, nor would I want my family to have to go through that. But if I ever were kidnapped in the region, I'd be much happier knowing that my death actually struck a blow against al Qaeda. And make them think, the next time they decide to kidnap a civilian or a soldier...if they're next.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
Max Power said:
I hope the next step is Leavenworth. Screw that guy.
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Yeah I'm interested to hear the circumstances of his capture. Regardless of what they were, it was his fault and his fault alone. Having spent a good deal of time in Afghanistan, I can tell you it's not easy to just walk away.
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Found this Rolling Stone article from 2012, he pretty much just walked away and said some interesting things in the way out. He didn't sound too stable. They should keep an eye on him and make sure he's not praying towards Mecca when he's back. Pretty crazy article in it's entirety.

On June 27th, he sent what would be his final e-mai­ to his parents. It was a lengthy message documenting his complete disillusionment with the war effort. He opened it by addressing it simply to "mom, dad."

"The future is too good to waste on lies," Bowe wrote. "And life is way too short to care for the damnation of others, as well as to spend it helping fools with their ideas that are wrong. I have seen their ideas and I am ashamed to even be american. The horror of the self-righteous arrogance that they thrive in. It is all revolting."

The e-mail went on to list a series of complaints: Three good sergeants, Bowe said, had been forced to move to another company, and "one of the biggest #### bags is being put in charge of the team." His battalion commander was a "conceited old fool." The military system itself was broken: "In the US army you are cut down for being honest... but if you are a conceited brown nosing #### bag you will be allowed to do what ever you want, and you will be handed your higher rank... The system is wrong. I am ashamed to be an american. And the title of US soldier is just the lie of fools." The soldiers he actually admired were planning on leaving: "The US army is the biggest joke the world has to laugh at. It is the army of liars, backstabbers, fools, and bullies. The few good SGTs are getting out as soon as they can, and they are telling us privates to do the same."

In the second-to-last paragraph of the e-mail, Bowe wrote about his broader disgust with America's approach to the war an effort, on the ground, that seemed to represent the exact opposite of the kind of concerted campaign to win the "hearts and minds" of average Afghans envisioned by counterinsurgency strategists. "I am sorry for everything here," Bowe told his parents. "These people need help, yet what they get is the most conceited country in the world telling them that they are nothing and that they are stupid, that they have no idea how to live." He then referred to what his parents believe may have been a formative, possibly traumatic event: seeing an Afghan child run over by an MRAP. "We don't even care when we hear each other talk about running their children down in the dirt streets with our armored trucks... We make fun of them in front of their faces, and laugh at them for not understanding we are insulting them."

Bowe concluded his e-mail with what, in another context, might read as a suicide note. "I am sorry for everything," he wrote. "The horror that is america is disgusting." Then he signed off with a final message to his mother and father. "There are a few more boxes coming to you guys," he said, referring to his uniform and books, which he had already packed up and shipped off. "Feel free to open them, and use them."
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http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/americas-last-prisoner-of-war-20120607#ixzz33LrksQes

 
The way I see it he has served his time being a prisoner of Al-Qaeda for five years. I think he should be given a other than honorable discharge, and time served. I really hope the media DOES NOT make him out as some sort of hero though, I will be very insulted if that happens.

Thanks for the post Bats.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
The way I see it he has served his time being a prisoner of Al-Qaeda for five years. I think he should be given a other than honorable discharge, and time served. I really hope the media DOES NOT make him out as some sort of hero though, I will be very insulted if that happens.

Thanks for the post Bats.
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These are my feelings exactly. Had Bergdahl been found within 24 hours of leaving his FOB, there is a good chance he would have received a dishonorable discharge on the spot. This kid walked away from the military. Lets not forget that.

If the media/Obama make this a "Hero's return", I won't stand for it. If they do, the facts will eventually get out, and it will turn sour for all involved.

That said, I was a bit rough on the kid in an earlier post. I am glad he is safe, and agree he has suffered. US still needs to give him a slap on the wrist though.

As far as the "trade", we really need more info on what sending them to Qatar really means. I'm not sure it makes sense for the Taliban to trade him just to have 5 guys moved to a different prison. I also can't see us just letting these guys walk free though. It will be interesting to see this unfold.

 
I have mixed feelings on this. Glad the guy is free. An American rotting in the hands of the Taliban, no matter who, is a bad thing. Don't think we should negotiate with these guys even if it did take 5 years though. I guess since we don't really know what Qatar promised us we have to take it on faith they won't just let them run free. But then again there is a reason the Taliban set up official shop in Qatar to start with. One of those decisions I don't envy having to make.

 
5 for 1 doesn't sound ideal, especially since it looks like a few of them are really bad... On top of that, if the accusations of desertion are true, this is even worse. The precedent set here is we will negotiate with terrorists, which basically makes obtaining hostages the holy grail.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
5 for 1 doesn't sound ideal, especially since it looks like a few of them are really bad... On top of that, if the accusations of desertion are true, this is even worse. The precedent set here is we will negotiate with terrorists, which basically makes obtaining hostages the holy grail.
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:goodposting:

This was a VERY bad move, especially for someone who appears to have deserted. And the administration appears to have broken the law as well by doing this.

 
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MaxThreshold said:
fantasycurse42 said:
5 for 1 doesn't sound ideal, especially since it looks like a few of them are really bad... On top of that, if the accusations of desertion are true, this is even worse. The precedent set here is we will negotiate with terrorists, which basically makes obtaining hostages the holy grail.
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:goodposting:

This was a VERY bad move, especially for someone who appears to have deserted.
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We know how to deal with deserters [chop] but Obama clearly does not watch the Game of Thrones.

 
So not only did this guy desert the base and get "captured" ..... we had 6+ guys killed trying to search for him. His parents have also converted to Islam, and his dad apparently tweeted (and deleted) "I am still working to free all Guantanamo prisoners. God will repay for the death of every Afghan Child, ameen!". Hmmmmm.

 
ArbyMelt said:
So not only did this guy desert the base and get "captured" ..... we had 6+ guys killed trying to search for him. His parents have also converted to Islam, and his dad apparently tweeted (and deleted) "I am still working to free all Guantanamo prisoners. God will repay for the death of every Afghan Child, ameen!". Hmmmmm.
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Is this true?

 
mr roboto said:
Can someone catch me up on his story of desertion/capture?
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23 yeard old dude is in Afghanistan as a private. He gets very disillusioned with both the mission and the army. His buddy gets killed. How he got captured depends on who you ask. In one of the videos he claimed he fell behind on a patrol and got nabbed. The Taliban said he was found drunk off base. Fox news says he went AWOL.

The military has (at least so far) denied he was drunk off base or that he went AWOL.

 
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Not a fan of this move at all. I'm not sure about the last few posts but the dad was speaking Arabic during the press conference rather well. Don't want a Homeland situation but overall this move smells really, really bad.

 
mr roboto said:
Can someone catch me up on his story of desertion/capture?
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http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/army-sergeant-held-taliban-years-finally-free-obama-article-1.1812434

Idk much all that much about it... The info I have came from this article in today's Daily News, below are some bullet points:

Bergdahl who had grown disillusioned with the mission in Afghanistan was captured under unclear circumstances after reportedly telling his parents he was ashamed to be an American.

Even after his release, the circumstances surrounding Bergdahls June 30, 2009, capture remain murky. Some soldiers in his unit have claimed he was a deserter.

Apparently disenchanted with the military, Bergdahl slipped away from his units mountain outpost in eastern Afghanistan carrying only water, a knife, his digital camera and diary, according to a 2012 report in Rolling Stone that quoted soldiers in his unit.

In one of his final emails to his parents, Bergdahl outlined his complaints about the military and expressed his disgust over how the war was being waged.

I am ashamed to be an American. And the title of U.S. soldier is just the lie of fools, he wrote in the June 27 email. I am sorry for everything. The horror that is America is disgusting.

If Bergdahl did walk away from his unit, he could be charged with being absent without leave or desertion.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
ArbyMelt said:
So not only did this guy desert the base and get "captured" ..... we had 6+ guys killed trying to search for him. His parents have also converted to Islam, and his dad apparently tweeted (and deleted) "I am still working to free all Guantanamo prisoners. God will repay for the death of every Afghan Child, ameen!". Hmmmmm.
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Is this true?
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Yes.

mr roboto said:
He was a private? Why are they calling him Sgt?
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They kept promoting him while still captive.

 
Mario Kart said:
Not a fan of this move at all. I'm not sure about the last few posts but the dad was speaking Arabic during the press conference rather well. Don't want a Homeland situation but overall this move smells really, really bad.
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And wtf is up with his dad saying he is having trouble speaking english?

His dad looks radical btw.

 
Mario Kart said:
Not a fan of this move at all. I'm not sure about the last few posts but the dad was speaking Arabic during the press conference rather well. Don't want a Homeland situation but overall this move smells really, really bad.
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Maybe they think he will turn informant?

 
quickhands said:
Mario Kart said:
Not a fan of this move at all. I'm not sure about the last few posts but the dad was speaking Arabic during the press conference rather well. Don't want a Homeland situation but overall this move smells really, really bad.
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And wtf is up with his dad saying he is having trouble speaking english?

His dad looks radical btw.
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the dad became very obsessed with getting his son freed over the 5 years of his son being held in captivity, with no contact with the family.

 
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Something about this doesn't make sense.

Why would America/Obama/whatever go against a long standing policy of not negotiating to rescue a soldier who deserted his post?

 
rascal said:
Something about this doesn't make sense.

Why would America/Obama/whatever go against a long standing policy of not negotiating to rescue a soldier who deserted his post?
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Because they are trying to clean out Guantanamo. Not sure I see any other reason to be honest.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
rascal said:
Something about this doesn't make sense.

Why would America/Obama/whatever go against a long standing policy of not negotiating to rescue a soldier who deserted his post?
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Because they are trying to clean out Guantanamo. Not sure I see any other reason to be honest.
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Fine, clean out Guantanamo. But why tie their release to his release effectively destroying a long held position and putting at risk future Americans?

 
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Wow....is this administration that ####### stupid?

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/06/candy-crowley-asks-susan-rice-if-us

The handover was the result of indirect talks between the United States and the Taliban's political leadership, with Qatar acting as a mediator, according to a senior administration official who provided information to reporters on condition of anonymity, citing the sensitivity of the issue.

U.S. efforts to obtain Bergdahl's release began in November 2010, but a break in the effort occurred several weeks ago, when an opportunity rose to resume talks, the official said. Bergdahl's release and the transfer of Guantanamo detainees to Qatar is part of a broader reconciliation effort in Afghanistan, the official said.

U.S. officials hope the transfer will build greater trust between the Taliban and the Afghan government so the two sides can negotiate a solution, the official said.

Obama defended the exchange, saying the government of Qatar pledged to "put in place measures to protect our national security."

 
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rascal said:
Doctor Detroit said:
rascal said:
Something about this doesn't make sense.

Why would America/Obama/whatever go against a long standing policy of not negotiating to rescue a soldier who deserted his post?
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Because they are trying to clean out Guantanamo. Not sure I see any other reason to be honest.
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Fine, clean out Guantanamo. But why tie their release to his release effectively destroying a long held position and putting at risk future Americans? I haven't seen a reporter ask the question which makes me also think something else is up.
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No idea, doesn't make a ton of sense to me. They could have done this without making a spectacle of it also.

 
rascal said:
Doctor Detroit said:
rascal said:
Something about this doesn't make sense.

Why would America/Obama/whatever go against a long standing policy of not negotiating to rescue a soldier who deserted his post?
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Because they are trying to clean out Guantanamo. Not sure I see any other reason to be honest.
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Fine, clean out Guantanamo. But why tie their release to his release effectively destroying a long held position and putting at risk future Americans?
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[SIZE=10.5pt]Whether you like it or not, its a romanticized view to say we don’t negotiate with terrorists. [/SIZE][SIZE=10.5pt]We have had indirect talks with the Taliban many times. We have direct talks with warlords in Afghanistan.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]The Sunni awakening in Iraq was a result of direct negotiations with terrorists. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]The freeing of this dude was the result of indirect negotiations. Maybe its bad policy. Maybe its worse to leave a soldier behind, even if they deserted their post and their dad is a nut. :shrug[/SIZE]

 
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