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Amy Klobuchar for President 2020 (2 Viewers)

Thinking of Frampton’s “ something is happpening”

“You know it's alright somethin's happening 
Hold tight it might be lightning 
Turn up the lights somethin's moving 
Can't sleep at night my heart keeps missing a beat… “

 
There’s a boatload of Trump voters just dying for a moderate Dem to vote for. Would be the lock of the century - Dems give a candidate that is moderate and it’s a done deal.

NOW if this happens I don’t want to hear a bunch of #### about how her hair is shaky in debates or she tells bad jokes.

 
The General said:
There’s a boatload of Trump voters just dying for a moderate Dem to vote for. Would be the lock of the century - Dems give a candidate that is moderate and it’s a done deal.

NOW if this happens I don’t want to hear a bunch of #### about how her hair is shaky in debates or she tells bad jokes.
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What about eating a salad with a comb and then throwing it at a staffer 

asking for a friend 

 
PhantomJB said:
Clay Aiken on 2020 primary: Why I'm changing my vote from Joe Biden to Amy Klobuchar

It was difficult for me to move my support from Joe Biden. But Amy Klobuchar is simply a better candidate for the 2020 race against Donald Trump.
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If she makes it to the general election, Amy Klobuchar would beat Donald Trump like he was her intern.

 
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The General said:
There’s a boatload of Trump voters just dying for a moderate Dem to vote for. Would be the lock of the century - Dems give a candidate that is moderate and it’s a done deal.

NOW if this happens I don’t want to hear a bunch of #### about how her hair is shaky in debates or she tells bad jokes.
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Are they voting for Amy already as their dear leader wanted them to?

 
The General said:
There’s a boatload of Trump voters just dying for a moderate Dem to vote for. Would be the lock of the century - Dems give a candidate that is moderate and it’s a done deal.

NOW if this happens I don’t want to hear a bunch of #### about how her hair is shaky in debates or she tells bad jokes.
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I agree with this. I've just seen it play out. I saw it with my Dad who'd voted Republican until Bill Clinton and his focus on the economy. It just seems so obvious to me. The folks firmly set on Democrats will vote what whoever is the Democratic nominee. The folks firmly set on Republican will vote for Trump. Those are already decided. What's undecided are the folks not firmly set. 

 
I'm not getting Charlie Brown and the football'd here, but it's about damn time people paid attention to her. I think this is too little too late and that the center lane will eat each other, but she didn't have much invested into NH and look what just happened - doubled her Iowa number. That was primarily momentum, so I think this could be sustainable. 

Need Biden and Warren to bomb in SC though. 

 
I’m worried that she and Pete will eat into each other’s support the the Bloomberg bomb comes swooping down and who the hell knows what happens...

 
Joe Bryant said:
I agree with this. I've just seen it play out. I saw it with my Dad who'd voted Republican until Bill Clinton and his focus on the economy. It just seems so obvious to me. The folks firmly set on Democrats will vote what whoever is the Democratic nominee. The folks firmly set on Republican will vote for Trump. Those are already decided. What's undecided are the folks not firmly set. 
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I don’t know what it will be this year but in 2016 it was down to about 3-5% of the people that were undecided between Hillary and Trump. It seems like this is the Dems version of the Tea Party that happened to the GOP a few elections ago.

 
Help me understand the Klobuchar sick infant story.  As I understand it she gave birth and her infant was very sick and was going to be in the hospital in rather critical care for an indeterminate amount of time.  She, Ms. Klobuchar was fine though exhausted and understandably distraught.  She was medically discharged after 24 hours. She was not forced to leave the hospital, she was not prohibited access to or care of her child, she was just done, herself, with being seen by the doctors and so she was discharged.  Her insurance did not want to pay for her to use the hospital as a hotel so that she would have access to her daughter. She was offended.  She would have liked to stay a patient not for physical medical needs, but for emotional ones.  She then became politicized and eventually passed legislation that said the legislature and mothers feelings require hospitals to grant longer maternity stay, regardless of medical necessity. 

Is my understanding correct?

 
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What would have prevented Ms. Klobuchar from getting a nearby hotel so that she could have had the same access to her child and the caregivers, but at a fraction of the price of a hospital room?

 
The 24 hour hospital stay was implemented when nurses went on pstrike and insurance companies adopted it as norm. Previously the stay was typically 3-4 days.

 
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Phil Elliott said:
The 24 hour hospital stay was implemented when nurses went in strike and insurance companies adopted it as norm. Previously the stay was typically 3-4 days.
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I am well aware. My Pops was an OB.GYN.  Well I remember him making his daily rounds of young mothers recuperating for several days up to a week after giving birth.

My last child was born 18 years ago.  We were discharged on a cold and snowy February morning at 08:00 hours after my wife gave birth 8 hours and 35 minutes previously.  I thought that a bit quick and was discommoded much as Ms. Klobuchar was. fortunately my employer was quite accommodating with paternity leave, as they were required to be under FMLA.  I was able to tend to both wife and child.  It was a lot, but it was good.

 
TripItUp said:
I was on the Klobuchar train before it was trendy.
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Henry Ford said:
I've been shouting this from the rooftops.

She won her Senate race three times - with 58%, 65%, and 60% of the vote.  She's a winner.  She's got a sharp legal mind.  She's measured when she's on camera.  And she'd carry the Midwest, which is the great difference maker.
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TripItUp said:
I'm a fan of Klobuchar and currently have her #1 overall of the current Dem candidates.

She is real.

She is in it for the right reasons.

She's not a socialist.

She has meaningful experience and the respect of her peers.

She is one of only two Dem candidates(Wallstreet Pete) that I'd consider voting for over Trump.
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I need that Ariel meme to come back.

 
Tulsi is not getting the votes she deserves. Yang has given up. Amy is the last chance to get my vote. She's the only one that could possibly beat Trump. Pick anyone else and Trump wins.

However, the smart D move is to sacrifice Bernie and then run Amy K. in 2024.

 
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Ditkaless Wonders said:
Help me understand the Klobuchar sick infant story.  As I understand it she gave birth and her infant was very sick and was going to be in the hospital in rather critical care for an indeterminate amount of time.  She, Ms. Klobuchar was fine though exhausted and understandably distraught.  She was medically discharged after 24 hours. She was not forced to leave the hospital, she was not prohibited access to or care of her child, she was just done, herself, with being seen by the doctors and so she was discharged.  Her insurance did not want to pay for her to use the hospital as a hotel so that she would have access to her daughter. She was offended.  She would have liked to stay a patient not for physical medical needs, but for emotional ones.  She then became politicized and eventually passed legislation that said the legislature and mothers feelings require hospitals to grant longer maternity stay, regardless of medical necessity. 

Is my understanding correct?
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Sort of.  Her fight was for one more allowed day in the hospital for women who have given birth - for recuperation reasons more than anything else - because of the 24 hour max allowance for hospitalization for uncomplicated births set down by insurance companies at the time.  To give time for the required "how to" videos people are supposed to watch before taking a baby home, enough time to be actually recovered from the physical trauma before leaving the hospital, etc.  And it was set against the backdrop of "not only was I going through all of this, but also my baby was incredibly ill, and in part because I wasn't even recovered and had to either skip treatment for my baby or lie on forms about having been shown the videos, etc, I had no idea what was going on."

 
joffer said:
:hifive:

got you by 3 minutes!!!
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Or did you?

Henry Ford said:
I tried to post last night but had connection issues - Klobuchar crushed her opponent.  That bodes well.  And I agree, I think she'd be a solid choice for the day to day.  I'd add I think she might be able to unite the parties on a number of bipartisan issues.  If she were to run with Beto or someone like that as VP, I think she might win.
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Henry Ford said:
Sort of.  Her fight was for one more allowed day in the hospital for women who have given birth - for recuperation reasons more than anything else - because of the 24 hour max allowance for hospitalization for uncomplicated births set down by insurance companies at the time.  To give time for the required "how to" videos people are supposed to watch before taking a baby home, enough time to be actually recovered from the physical trauma before leaving the hospital, etc.  And it was set against the backdrop of "not only was I going through all of this, but also my baby was incredibly ill, and in part because I wasn't even recovered and had to either skip treatment for my baby or lie on forms about having been shown the videos, etc, I had no idea what was going on."
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I am unclear on the skip treatment for my baby thing.  I find the watching the video's thing more or less a ruse and foolish.  takes very little time or effort.  I am very sympathetic to providing a bit more recovery time for mothers.  I loath insurance companies and I think they usurp the medical and clinical prerogative of doctors all in the name of profit.  Frankly I think doctors regularly violate the Hippocratic oath to accommodate the insurance industry who interposes business decisions for medical ones.    I think her story is admirable, but I think she has tried to enhance it for political purposes.  She has built a heroic narrative where she rose up against great odds. I believe the base story to be good enough without the embellishments.  I guess we are all the heroes of our own stories.

 
I also take with a grain of salt that a Yale and University of Chicago grad, a lawyer at Dorsey & Whitney and Gray, Plante and Moody was so confused by the  hospital discharge process.  I buy that she did not like it. I don't like that policy myself, but confused, I just do not get there.

 
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Ditkaless Wonders said:
I am unclear on the skip treatment for my baby thing.  I find the watching the video's thing more or less a ruse and foolish.  takes very little time or effort.  I am very sympathetic to providing a bit more recovery time for mothers.  I loath insurance companies and I think they usurp the medical and clinical prerogative of doctors all in the name of profit.  Frankly I think doctors regularly violate the Hippocratic oath to accommodate the insurance industry who interposes business decisions for medical ones.    I think her story is admirable, but I think she has tried to enhance it for political purposes.  She has built a heroic narrative where she rose up against great odds. I believe the base story to be good enough without the embellishments.  I guess we are all the heroes of our own stories.
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Skip attending treatment for her baby (to watch the stupid videos) or lie on the required forms (that she watched the stupid videos.)

But the story, for her, is primarily that she saw a need, went to the legislature and stood up for it, and got an extra day for recovery for giving birth rather than trying to go in and overhaul the healthcare system.

 
Henry Ford said:
Skip attending treatment for her baby (to watch the stupid videos) or lie on the required forms (that she watched the stupid videos.)

But the story, for her, is primarily that she saw a need, went to the legislature and stood up for it, and got an extra day for recovery for giving birth rather than trying to go in and overhaul the healthcare system.
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So we are saying that the only time she could have watched the videos was during treatment of her child, as in a procedure?  Seems unacceptably draconian. 

I am also curious.  Ms. Klobuchar was a highly educated, extremely successful lawyer.  Am I to believe she believed she had only those two choices?  Did she think she was not free to be discharged without filling out the form as to whether or not she watched those videos?  Did she or does she believe that hospitals can hold you against your will (Absent court ordered psych holds or presumptive psych holds in those states which have such.)

 
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I am aware that hospitals like to create the illusion of full control on discharge matters.  I suspect that this is very effective with the average person, more less persons of less education or experience.  I don't buy that Ms. Klobuchar in any way believed that, or believes it.  I think she is selling something.

 
Meanwhile on to things that actually matter...Klobuchar would crush her competition (and Trump) if the Democrats had the balls to make the national debt / deficit a debate topic.

Senator Klobuchar's plan would seek to “reverse this trend with the goal of lowering the debt to GDP ratio by the end of her first term and putting our country on a sustainable fiscal path.”

The plan includes a commitment to “Govern with Fiscal Responsibility” by reducing debt as a share of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) and “putting our country on a sustainable fiscal path.” To begin this process, Senator Klobuchar proposes to establish a dedicated fund to finance deficit reduction during normal times and stimulus during economic downturns, eliminate duplicative government programs, and move to biennial budgeting with a 25-year budget window.

During normal economic times, new revenue increases or cost savings dedicated to the fund would go toward deficit reduction. During economic downturns, the fund would automatically be tapped to increase funding for government programs

Senator Klobuchar plans to “initially seed the fund" with $300 billion from raising the corporate tax rate and eliminating duplicative government spending.

http://www.crfb.org/blogs/amy-klobuchars-plan-govern-fiscal-responsibility

 
Jefferson the Caregiver said:
She's not going to get the nom but she is muddying the water.  I don't think now is the time to be celebrating a Klobuchar surge
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Plenty of time for the sediment to settle out between now and the convention, at least there would be if folks did not get so breathless so fast.  With the game being about expectations and funding, rather than about vetting and finding the best candidate I take your meaning.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
I am aware that hospitals like to create the illusion of full control on discharge matters.  I suspect that this is very effective with the average person, more less persons of less education or experience.  I don't buy that Ms. Klobuchar in any way believed that, or believes it.  I think she is selling something.
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I am also acutely aware that a person who has been through severe physical and psychological trauma in the last 24 hours is unlikely to behave - or consider options - the way he or she would otherwise.

 
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