Andre Brown returns ?, to what roll? (1 Viewer)

[MCguidance]

Byes forced me to start him. In.

Huge lift for teams moving forward.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Coach Tom Coughlin had high praise for Andre Brown following Sunday's win over the Raiders.
Brown was expected to be eased back into the mix as he made his first appearance since re-fracturing his leg in the preseason. Instead, he touched the ball 31 times while making Peyton Hillis look like the washed up dinosaur he is. "Give Jerry [Reese] credit thinking he would be back and he is back in the same season, with a break in the last preseason game, so we're real happy," Coughlin said. "There's no question. I don't think you can say enough about him, from one game coming back." Brown is clearly entrenched as the feature back heading into a Week 11 game against the Packers. He's a candidate for 20+ touches plus goal-line work again.

Source: New York Daily News

 

[VikingFrog]

Had to make the choice between dropping Vereen or Brown from my bench a couple of weeks ago, and dropped Vereen.

Was kicking myself for a while after thinking about the upside of Vereen and the inability of the Giants to move the ball, but this was great to see that he will get the touches.

Vereen may still very well outscore him, but it is a much more cloudy situation in my opinion with regards to how Bellichek will use his current running back stable.

 

[FF Wiseguy]

I firmly believe Brown will get limited touches this week, and they'll ride Hillis one more week. They ran Jacobs into the ground early on, and he hasn't been the same since. Brown is obviously in better shape than Jacob was at that point, but I think the Giants will build a good lead in this one and that will allow them to not overwork Brown.

Went with Durham over Brown at flex this week. Probably starting Hillis over lawfirm in another league.

I'll see myself out. Although Hillis and Lawfirm tied anyways, so hooray for terrible running backs!

 

[SengerCJ]

Worth dropping CJ Spiller in order to pick up Brown?

Is Brown even that good? I mean Ingram had a pretty similar game, stats wise.

 

[blake]

Bloom in his weekly article says (I'm paraphrasing here) that the potential for an injury follows Brown.

I'm not particularly sold on that, but the mention of looking at a guy like Gordon or Jeffery is very intriguing to me. An owner in my league offered Jeffery and Joique Bell for Demarco Murray, but I may try to counter with Brown. Thank you for putting this option in my head.

 

[starks]

Any dynasty value to see here?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Nice ROS schedule here, I guess exception being SEA:

11 11/17 GB - - - - - - - 12 11/24 DAL - - - - - - - 13 12/1 @WAS - - - - - - - 14 12/8 @SD - - - - - - - 15 12/15 SEA - - - - - - - 16 12/22 @DET

 

[tdhartis]

Nice ROS schedule here, I guess exception being SEA:

11 11/17 GB - - - - - - - 12 11/24 DAL - - - - - - - 13 12/1 @WAS - - - - - - - 14 12/8 @SD - - - - - - - 15 12/15 SEA - - - - - - - 16 12/22@DET

Seattle's not necesarilly a bad matchup if you take the St. Louis and Tampa Bay games into consideration.

 

[hines]

Worth dropping CJ Spiller in order to pick up Brown?

Is Brown even that good? I mean Ingram had a pretty similar game, stats wise.

Ingram and Brown have little n common. Ingram is still the 3rd option on a pass-heavy team and got his yardage on dives up the middle vs a defense which had completely capitulated. Brown is getting essentially all the work for the Giants. Brown is miles ahead of Ingram

 

[monk]

Nice ROS schedule here, I guess exception being SEA:

11 11/17 GB - - - - - - - 12 11/24 DAL - - - - - - - 13 12/1 @WAS - - - - - - - 14 12/8 @SD - - - - - - - 15 12/15 SEA - - - - - - - 16 12/22@DET

Seattle's not necesarilly a bad matchup if you take the St. Louis and Tampa Bay games into consideration.

Fanstasy points allowed to RBs

@SD (22) East coast to West coast Road game = Real Bad

SEA (25) Would be worse in SEA but still = BAD

@DET (20) Road Game = Pretty Bad

This is a terrible playoff schedule

 

[irishnips]

Nice ROS schedule here, I guess exception being SEA:

11 11/17 GB - - - - - - - 12 11/24 DAL - - - - - - - 13 12/1 @WAS - - - - - - - 14 12/8 @SD - - - - - - - 15 12/15 SEA - - - - - - - 16 12/22@DET

Seattle's not necesarilly a bad matchup if you take the St. Louis and Tampa Bay games into consideration.

Fanstasy points allowed to RBs

@SD (22) East coast to West coast Road game = Real Bad

SEA (25) Would be worse in SEA but still = BAD

@DET (20) Road Game = Pretty Bad

This is a terrible playoff schedule

I currently have Ridley and also picked up Vereen a couple of weeks ago. Was planning to see how things shake out before maybe switching out one or the other. Brown is available....do I drop one of those (and if so...which one) and pick up Brown???

 

[zamboni]

Don't overanalyze SOS - never works out the way you expect it.

Brown will be getting the ball early and often the rest of the way. The big question is not the matchups, but whether he can stay healthy.

 

[zftcg]

Even as I'm trying to trade him in one league, I'm thinking of rolling him out as my flex in another. I usually prefer to roll with WRs, especially since its 0.5 PPR and I'd have to sit either Hilton or Gordon, but man, the guy is just a TD machine! Dating back to last year, he has had one game (Week 4 vs Eagles) where he received at least one carry and did not score. Kinda puts a nice floor on his performance.

 

[jackdubl]

Even as I'm trying to trade him in one league, I'm thinking of rolling him out as my flex in another. I usually prefer to roll with WRs, especially since its 0.5 PPR and I'd have to sit either Hilton or Gordon, but man, the guy is just a TD machine! Dating back to last year, he has had one game (Week 4 vs Eagles) where he received at least one carry and did not score. Kinda puts a nice floor on his performance.

I did not know this.

 

[zftcg]

Even as I'm trying to trade him in one league, I'm thinking of rolling him out as my flex in another. I usually prefer to roll with WRs, especially since its 0.5 PPR and I'd have to sit either Hilton or Gordon, but man, the guy is just a TD machine! Dating back to last year, he has had one game (Week 4 vs Eagles) where he received at least one carry and did not score. Kinda puts a nice floor on his performance.

I did not know this.

FYI, here's his 2012 game log. I followed him a little last year, and still didn't realize what he had managed to accomplish before he got hurt.

 

[SengerCJ]

Worth dropping CJ Spiller in order to pick up Brown?

Is Brown even that good? I mean Ingram had a pretty similar game, stats wise.

Ingram and Brown have little n common. Ingram is still the 3rd option on a pass-heavy team and got his yardage on dives up the middle vs a defense which had completely capitulated. Brown is getting essentially all the work for the Giants. Brown is miles ahead of Ingram

Not really comparing him to Ingram. Just not wanting to overvalue Browns first game, even a guy like Ingram can have a good game.

 

[MCguidance]

Worth dropping CJ Spiller in order to pick up Brown?

Is Brown even that good? I mean Ingram had a pretty similar game, stats wise.

Ingram and Brown have little n common. Ingram is still the 3rd option on a pass-heavy team and got his yardage on dives up the middle vs a defense which had completely capitulated. Brown is getting essentially all the work for the Giants. Brown is miles ahead of Ingram

Not really comparing him to Ingram. Just not wanting to overvalue Browns first game, even a guy like Ingram can have a good game.

Has he??

 

[SengerCJ]

Worth dropping CJ Spiller in order to pick up Brown?

Is Brown even that good? I mean Ingram had a pretty similar game, stats wise.

Ingram and Brown have little n common. Ingram is still the 3rd option on a pass-heavy team and got his yardage on dives up the middle vs a defense which had completely capitulated. Brown is getting essentially all the work for the Giants. Brown is miles ahead of Ingram

Not really comparing him to Ingram. Just not wanting to overvalue Browns first game, even a guy like Ingram can have a good game.

Has he??

Ingram? 145 yards/1 td in week 10... I just am not sure if Andre Brown is worth dropping CJ Spiller for.

I really not trying to defend Ingram, just making the comparison of one not so good(Ingram) RB having a good week to a RB I know nothing about(Brown) having a good week.

 

[MCguidance]

Worth dropping CJ Spiller in order to pick up Brown?

Is Brown even that good? I mean Ingram had a pretty similar game, stats wise.

Ingram and Brown have little n common. Ingram is still the 3rd option on a pass-heavy team and got his yardage on dives up the middle vs a defense which had completely capitulated. Brown is getting essentially all the work for the Giants. Brown is miles ahead of Ingram

Not really comparing him to Ingram. Just not wanting to overvalue Browns first game, even a guy like Ingram can have a good game.

Has he??

Ingram? 145 yards/1 td in week 10... I just am not sure if Andre Brown is worth dropping CJ Spiller for.I really not trying to defend Ingram, just making the comparison of one not so good(Ingram) RB having a good week to a RB I know nothing about(Brown) having a good week.

I know. I would take Brown all day with simply the type of offense they run and the lack of quality backs around him compared to Ingram.

 

[silentcoach]

Brown had a good game in regards to TOTAL fantasy points, but it did take 30 attempts to get 115 rushing yards. Blah buttttt, I always expect the first game back from injury to always be less efficient, so there is still room to "improve."

 

[blake]

Anyone trying to move him? On The Audible podcast, Sigmund Bloom is a proponent of selling Brown high, but I think I'd rather stay with him. Still, this has put a shadow of doubt in my brain. Anyone else selling high on Brown...or trying to?

 

[Houston turmOiler]

I think in my league his potential value to me in the Flex position and what he could be is higher than anything I could get back in a trade.... Personally I have found running backs a little bit harder to move this season for whatever reason

 

[FF Wiseguy]

Anyone trying to move him? On The Audible podcast, Sigmund Bloom is a proponent of selling Brown high, but I think I'd rather stay with him. Still, this has put a shadow of doubt in my brain. Anyone else selling high on Brown...or trying to?

I'm trying to move him. IMO, there's a good chance that future game situations leads to a smaller workload. And if it doesn't, that just increases his ever-present injury risk. I think the GB should give him a good chance to solidify his standing, and then I'll be aggressively trying to move him, though not at all costs.

 

[thatguythere]

Rock and Roll Andre

 

[jdubs952]

Sold him for Marshall. Having regrets.

 

[fbelange]

If he holds up for 7 more games he is the steal of the waiver wire.

I dont think the Giants have many options, and Coughlin is no idiot. Brown will be getting 75% of the carries until he physically cannot.

He's a bottom level RB1 IMO.

Just 3 weeks ago I was down to a hurt D Murray, Gio, and Joique Bell. Now I'm sporting some nice new shiny toys.. Andre Brown, Shane Vereen, Gio Bernard, Demarco Murray ....I just might push for that playoff run afterall

 

[zftcg]

Anyone trying to move him? On The Audible podcast, Sigmund Bloom is a proponent of selling Brown high, but I think I'd rather stay with him. Still, this has put a shadow of doubt in my brain. Anyone else selling high on Brown...or trying to?

I have him in two leagues. In one, we can't start RB at flex, and there was no way he was going to sniff my starting lineup ahead of Charles/Bush, so I shipped him and my other backup RB (FJax), along with Witten, for Gronk. It was a steep price, but the trade deadline was coming up, and those guys had a lot more value for the other team than they did for me.

I think that if you're already set at RB and have other needs, he's a great sell-high candidate. He may well turn into a late-season stud, but the injury risk is always there, so there's a good chance he's at the peak of his value right now. I would, however, be careful about trading him to a team that you might have to face in the playoffs.

 

[FF Wiseguy]

Sold him for Marshall. Having regrets.

What are you regretting? Not selling him even sooner than you did? That's an amazing trade!

 

[zamboni]

Anyone trying to move him? On The Audible podcast, Sigmund Bloom is a proponent of selling Brown high, but I think I'd rather stay with him. Still, this has put a shadow of doubt in my brain. Anyone else selling high on Brown...or trying to?

I'm trying to move him. IMO, there's a good chance that future game situations leads to a smaller workload. And if it doesn't, that just increases his ever-present injury risk.

I agree with injury risk - that's the key with him given his track record. While any RB runs the risk of injury, he seems to get hurt more than the average RB.

I disagree though with a smaller workload going forward. Based on his comments, it seems like Coughlin really wants to go back to basics and establish a strong running game. I'm sure the fact that Eli is struggling mightily is playing a big part of that strategy, but at the end of the day, Coughlin has historically favored a run-first approach when the pieces are in place.

Sure, Brown's touches may go down if the Giants are in pass-heavy mode, but you could say the same for most RBs. And the fact that he's a pretty good receiver pretty much ensures that he'll still get touches.

 

[zftcg]

Anyone trying to move him? On The Audible podcast, Sigmund Bloom is a proponent of selling Brown high, but I think I'd rather stay with him. Still, this has put a shadow of doubt in my brain. Anyone else selling high on Brown...or trying to?

I'm trying to move him. IMO, there's a good chance that future game situations leads to a smaller workload. And if it doesn't, that just increases his ever-present injury risk.

I agree with injury risk - that's the key with him given his track record. While any RB runs the risk of injury, he seems to get hurt more than the average RB.

I disagree though with a smaller workload going forward. Based on his comments, it seems like Coughlin really wants to go back to basics and establish a strong running game. I'm sure the fact that Eli is struggling mightily is playing a big part of that strategy, but at the end of the day, Coughlin has historically favored a run-first approach when the pieces are in place.

Sure, Brown's touches may go down if the Giants are in pass-heavy mode, but you could say the same for most RBs. And the fact that he's a pretty good receiver pretty much ensures that he'll still get touches.

I wouldn't expect 30 carries a game like last week, but what else is Coughlin going to do? Give the ball to Hillis or Jacobs? Put the game in Eli's hands? The Giants are on a winning streak and he's the only one on that offense who's producing.

If he stays healthy it's hard to see how he's not at least a high-end RB2 ROS.

 

[blake]

Thanks for the feedback, guys. That helps a lot. Some good trades going on too; I liked the Gronkowski deal.

Sold him for Marshall. Having regrets.

What are you regretting? Not selling him even sooner than you did? That's an amazing trade!

Exactly...how on earth could you regret this deal? A top 5 WR for a pretty good RB??

I think in my league his potential value to me in the Flex position and what he could be is higher than anything I could get back in a trade.... Personally I have found running backs a little bit harder to move this season for whatever reason

I've found this too actually regarding RB's in my league. And regarding Brown's value being higher than what you could get in a trade, that is also what I am fearing. That was what raised my initial concern after listening to Bloom and surveying my league. I don't think I'd get Brown's value back. And while I'm a conservative fantasy player (hate injury risks), Brown seems like he's a good risk to take.

 

[hines]

saw a Brown/Allen for AJ Green deal in one of my leagues, guy who traded both Brown and Allen had good depth

 

[RG623]

Sold him for Marshall. Having regrets.

What are you regretting? Not selling him even sooner than you did? That's an amazing trade!

I would be happy to get Jeffrey back for Brown in PPR!

 

[nastynate]

Dropped Trent RIchardson for Andre Brown.

-Things I wouldn't have believed 3 months ago

 

[Phenix]

I just acquired Brown in a TD league. In those formats, how is he not a Top 10 RB?

 

[FF Wiseguy]

Just traded:

Andre Brown

Josh Gordon

Aaron Rodgers

for

Peyton Manning

Cecil Shorts

Mike Brown

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=698597

 

[zamboni]

Just traded:

Andre Brown

Josh Gordon

Aaron Rodgers

for

Peyton Manning

Cecil Shorts

Mike Brown

That's not wise, guy.

 

[FF Wiseguy]

Just traded:

Andre Brown

Josh Gordon

Aaron Rodgers

for

Peyton Manning

Cecil Shorts

Mike Brown

That's not wise, guy.

Haha, I didn't feel great about it. but I am right on the border of playoff contention, so stashing rodgers for playoffs is not a luxury I could afford. I concede the downgrade from Gordon to Shorts, and will just hope that I was only half right about Brown.

 

[zamboni]

Just traded:

Andre Brown

Josh Gordon

Aaron Rodgers

for

Peyton Manning

Cecil Shorts

Mike Brown

That's not wise, guy.

Haha, I didn't feel great about it. but I am right on the border of playoff contention, so stashing rodgers for playoffs is not a luxury I could afford. I concede the downgrade from Gordon to Shorts, and will just hope that I was only half right about Brown.

Fair enough - just playing with you. Can't view a trade in a vacuum without knowing your roster situation.

 

[blake]

Haha, I didn't feel great about it. but I am right on the border of playoff contention, so stashing rodgers for playoffs is not a luxury I could afford. I concede the downgrade from Gordon to Shorts, and will just hope that I was only half right about Brown.

Sorry for the hijack, as I know it is an Andre Brown thread, but is Cecil Shorts really that big of a downgrade from Gordon? Shorts is such a PPR magnet and you never know about Mike Brown, if he can fully assume that WR2 mantle in Jacksonville. Nice job going for it.

 

[FF Wiseguy]

Haha, I didn't feel great about it. but I am right on the border of playoff contention, so stashing rodgers for playoffs is not a luxury I could afford. I concede the downgrade from Gordon to Shorts, and will just hope that I was only half right about Brown.

Sorry for the hijack, as I know it is an Andre Brown thread, but is Cecil Shorts really that big of a downgrade from Gordon? Shorts is such a PPR magnet and you never know about Mike Brown, if he can fully assume that WR2 mantle in Jacksonville. Nice job going for it.

Definitely not a big downgrade, and you're right, they could equal each other, or Shorts could be better ROS. As the guy getting Shorts, you know what I'm rooting for. Anyways, the trade is over in the AC forum if you'd like to continue this discussion.

/hijack

 

[BAT1man]

I picked Brown up off waivers after week 1 and stashed him in my IR slot, thus not tying up a roster spot. I have great RB depth with J-Charles, Gio, Zac Stacy, Obagyanna?, and have only Can Newton and Jay Cutler at QB. I traded Brown for Nick Foles who has a sweet playoff schedule. A huge driving factor for moving Brown over Stacy or Gio was the higher injury potential.

Considered using him as a flex, but have 4 stud Wr's in a 1-point ppr. He would be wasted points on my bench instead of a QB upgrade.

 

[Ray]

blue star

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

Sold him for Marshall. Having regrets.

What are you regretting? Not selling him even sooner than you did? That's an amazing trade!

I would be happy to get Jeffrey back for Brown in PPR!

Just got offered Calvin for Brown/Cruz. Brown is my RB4 at this point... seems like a no-brainer...

...unless Calvin is really hurt?

 

[MCguidance]

Sold him for Marshall. Having regrets.

What are you regretting? Not selling him even sooner than you did? That's an amazing trade!

I would be happy to get Jeffrey back for Brown in PPR!

Just got offered Calvin for Brown/Cruz. Brown is my RB4 at this point... seems like a no-brainer...

...unless Calvin is really hurt?

Seriously? I hope you hit yes by now.

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

Sold him for Marshall. Having regrets.

What are you regretting? Not selling him even sooner than you did? That's an amazing trade!

I would be happy to get Jeffrey back for Brown in PPR!

Just got offered Calvin for Brown/Cruz. Brown is my RB4 at this point... seems like a no-brainer...

...unless Calvin is really hurt?

Seriously? I hope you hit yes by now.

Pulled the trigger.

 

[Tango]

Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton11m
Andre Brown has played two games this season. Andre Brown is the Giants' leading rusher. Discuss. #NYG

 

[Gopher State]

Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton11m
Andre Brown has played two games this season. Andre Brown is the Giants' leading rusher. Discuss. #NYG

Not much to crow about only 66 yards rushing against a beat up packer D, and then conceding the goal line td to Jacobs, waiver wire scrubs Jennings and Rainey outperformed Brown by a mile today.

 

[Tango]

Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton11m
Andre Brown has played two games this season. Andre Brown is the Giants' leading rusher. Discuss. #NYG

Not much to crow about only 66 yards rushing against a beat up packer D, and then conceding the goal line td to Jacobs, waiver wire scrubs Jennings and Rainey outperformed Brown by a mile today.

How the heck could you take that as having anything remotely to do with the Packers or "crowing" about anything?

Clearly...it's a scathing, somewhat sarcastic critique of the Giants non-existent 2013 running game.