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Andre Ellington - RB - Clemson. (1 Viewer)

Sources tell ESPN's Dianna Marie Russini the Cardinals have offered free agent RB Chris Johnson a one-year contract.
Fed up with injuries and/or poor play from Andre Ellington, David Johnson, Marion Grice and Kerwynn Williams, the Cardinals are taking action. It's likely a bare bones offer with no guarantees, but Johnson could very well accept as he's attracted no known interest on the open market. Johnson turns 30 in September and has been both a locker room liability and inefficient runner for the last four seasons. We wouldn't put him on our draft boards even if he signs with the Cardinals.
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Dr. Octopus said:
Sources tell ESPN's Dianna Marie Russini the Cardinals have offered free agent RB Chris Johnson a one-year contract.
Fed up with injuries and/or poor play from Andre Ellington, David Johnson, Marion Grice and Kerwynn Williams, the Cardinals are taking action. It's likely a bare bones offer with no guarantees, but Johnson could very well accept as he's attracted no known interest on the open market. Johnson turns 30 in September and has been both a locker room liability and inefficient runner for the last four seasons. We wouldn't put him on our draft boards even if he signs with the Cardinals.
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2011 - 1047 yards rushing (4.0 YPC) 4 TD 57 receptions 418 yards = 228 FF points in PPR (RB 2)

2012 - 1243 yards rushing (4.5 YPC) 6 TD 36 receptions 226 yards = 218 FF points in PPR (RB 2)

2013 - 1077 Yards Rushing (3.87 YPC) 6 TD 42 receptions 345 yards 4 TD's = 231 FF points (RB 2)

3 of those 4 inefficient seasons.

Dumb asses. Yeah a low YPC on a team that barely had a real passing threat. Yet he produced for fantasy purposes. We are talking about fantasy football right?

If he get's his normal workload last season in NY.....he probably puts up 1000-1100 yards rushing and 40 receptions.

He can play.

 
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You're talking 3 or 4 years ago, I think the guy is cooked. If you want to target him in your leagues not one will stop you, draft away, but good luck picking the one or 2 weeks he goes off for 200/2 while killing you on multiple terrible weeks. patience with Ellington, patience. He's a dynamic player and needs this year to prove it, or he too might be cooked. It's still too early to put too much stock into the mid August reports.... and don't forget the locker room liability, even on a fantasy team!!!

 
Todem said:
Dr. Octopus said:
Sources tell ESPN's Dianna Marie Russini the Cardinals have offered free agent RB Chris Johnson a one-year contract.
Fed up with injuries and/or poor play from Andre Ellington, David Johnson, Marion Grice and Kerwynn Williams, the Cardinals are taking action. It's likely a bare bones offer with no guarantees, but Johnson could very well accept as he's attracted no known interest on the open market. Johnson turns 30 in September and has been both a locker room liability and inefficient runner for the last four seasons. We wouldn't put him on our draft boards even if he signs with the Cardinals.
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2011 - 1047 yards rushing (4.0 YPC) 4 TD 57 receptions 418 yards = 228 FF points in PPR (RB 2)

2012 - 1243 yards rushing (4.5 YPC) 6 TD 36 receptions 226 yards = 218 FF points in PPR (RB 2)

2013 - 1077 Yards Rushing (3.87 YPC) 6 TD 42 receptions 345 yards 4 TD's = 231 FF points (RB 2)

3 of those 4 inefficient seasons.

Dumb asses. Yeah a low YPC on a team that barely had a real passing threat. Yet he produced for fantasy purposes. We are talking about fantasy football right?

If he get's his normal workload last season in NY.....he probably puts up 1000-1100 yards rushing and 40 receptions.

He can play.
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They also throw in an unsubstantiated claim of "locker room liability." Rotoworld's spin and thinly veiled agendas are comical at times. Someone there apparently has a lot invested in David Johnson's success.

 
AngryPatriot said:
You're talking 3 or 4 years ago, I think the guy is cooked. If you want to target him in your leagues not one will stop you, draft away, but good luck picking the one or 2 weeks he goes off for 200/2 while killing you on multiple terrible weeks. patience with Ellington, patience. He's a dynamic player and needs this year to prove it, or he too might be cooked. It's still too early to put too much stock into the mid August reports.... and don't forget the locker room liability, even on a fantasy team!!!
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Is anyone here advocating targeting Chris Johnson at all, let alone having him in your lineup consistently?

 
Chaka said:
Seriously, what is this agenda that people keep saying rotoworld has?
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Rotoworld's writers have a tendency to conflate updates with their subjective opinions and pass them off as fact. And often its clear that they have personal bias for or against certain players. Based on what they've said in previous blurbs about Ellington, David Johnson, and now a potential Chris Johnson signing, it seems clear to me that someone there has a bias to talk up Johnson.

Another example is this last sentence on a blurb about Michael Floyd's injury- "A disappointment through two seasons in Bruce Arians' system, Floyd isn't going to take a fantasy step forward this year." Opinion stated as fact. They clearly have no love for Floyd and are enamored with John "Smokey" Brown as they like to call him.

I check their site often for updates and injury news but take their analysis with a grain of salt. It doesn't bother me like it does some others but I do find it comical at times.

 
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AngryPatriot said:
You're talking 3 or 4 years ago, I think the guy is cooked. If you want to target him in your leagues not one will stop you, draft away, but good luck picking the one or 2 weeks he goes off for 200/2 while killing you on multiple terrible weeks. patience with Ellington, patience. He's a dynamic player and needs this year to prove it, or he too might be cooked. It's still too early to put too much stock into the mid August reports.... and don't forget the locker room liability, even on a fantasy team!!!
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I was responding to the claim the last 4 years he was inefficient.

3 of his last 4 years in FF he was a solid RB2 in PPR.

Read the post.

And for a late round gamble why not take a shot on a potential flex player and bye week sub in ppr?

 
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VaTerp said:
Chaka said:
Seriously, what is this agenda that people keep saying rotoworld has?
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Rotoworld's writers have a tendency to conflate updates with their subjective opinions and pass them off as fact. And often its clear that they have personal bias for or against certain players. Based on what they've said in previous blurbs about Ellington, David Johnson, and now a potential Chris Johnson signing, it seems clear to me that someone there has a bias to talk up Johnson.

Another example is this last sentence on a blurb about Michael Floyd's injury- "A disappointment through two seasons in Bruce Arians' system, Floyd isn't going to take a fantasy step forward this year." Opinion stated as fact. They clearly have no love for Floyd and are enamored with John "Smokey" Brown as they like to call him.

I check their site often for updates and injury news but take their analysis with a grain of salt. It doesn't bother me like it does some others but I do find it comical at times.
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They are garbage. We are just as knowledgeable as they are....FF experts.....LMFAO.

I see plenty of posters here whom I respect far more than some of these so-called FF experts. Been playing this game for 25 years now.....Rotoworld....Bwaaahahahahaha.

 
I obviously read your post and think it's selective... when you leave out last year and the fact that he's NOT ON AN NFL TEAM, at least not yet.

2014 NYJ 16 155 663 41.4 4.3 1 1 24 151 9.4 6.3
and his general inconsistency, dubious character. Sure, he might be worth a flyer in a deep league, IF he's on a team. Read my post!! lol

 
AngryPatriot said:
I obviously read your post and think it's selective... when you leave out last year and the fact that he's NOT ON AN NFL TEAM, at least not yet.

2014 NYJ 16 155 663 41.4 4.3 1 1 24 151 9.4 6.3
and his general inconsistency, dubious character. Sure, he might be worth a flyer in a deep league, IF he's on a team. Read my post!! lol
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No it's not selective. Last year...new team...garbage QB..half his normal workload. I mentioned his time in NY which is what your basing your scouting report on. That Jets locker room is a mess. He was fine as a Titan. His contract was his demise and that team moved on.

He can play. And he will be signed at some point very soon. He can squeeze out one more year and be a decent late round pick in the right situation. He won't carry you to a title, but if a key injury occurs and you have him and he manages to have a nice season as a feature back or even a 2 down back on a good team?

You will look like a genius. If he flops....what did you risk? a 10th rounder? A 9th rounder? Big deal.

 
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Todem said:
AngryPatriot said:
You're talking 3 or 4 years ago, I think the guy is cooked. If you want to target him in your leagues not one will stop you, draft away, but good luck picking the one or 2 weeks he goes off for 200/2 while killing you on multiple terrible weeks. patience with Ellington, patience. He's a dynamic player and needs this year to prove it, or he too might be cooked. It's still too early to put too much stock into the mid August reports.... and don't forget the locker room liability, even on a fantasy team!!!
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I was responding to the claim the last 4 years he was inefficient.

# of his last 4 years in FF he was a solid RB2 in PPR.

Read the post.

And for a late round gamble why not take a shot on a potential flex player and bye week sub in ppr?
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I guess that depends on how you look at efficiency. Do you want actual efficiency, or conflated global numbers?

While his end of season numbers were decent in those years on the backs of a couple of huge games, his game to game efficiency was pretty poor. From 2011-2013 he averaged 3ypc or worse in about 40% of his games, or almost half. That's really, really bad even if there are a small handful of monster games in there to make the overall averages look decent at the end.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Todem said:
AngryPatriot said:
You're talking 3 or 4 years ago, I think the guy is cooked. If you want to target him in your leagues not one will stop you, draft away, but good luck picking the one or 2 weeks he goes off for 200/2 while killing you on multiple terrible weeks. patience with Ellington, patience. He's a dynamic player and needs this year to prove it, or he too might be cooked. It's still too early to put too much stock into the mid August reports.... and don't forget the locker room liability, even on a fantasy team!!!
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I was responding to the claim the last 4 years he was inefficient.

# of his last 4 years in FF he was a solid RB2 in PPR.

Read the post.

And for a late round gamble why not take a shot on a potential flex player and bye week sub in ppr?
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I guess that depends on how you look at efficiency. Do you want actual efficiency, or conflated global numbers?

While his end of season numbers were decent in those years on the backs of a couple of huge games, his game to game efficiency was pretty poor. From 2011-2013 he averaged 3ypc or worse in about 40% of his games, or almost half. That's really, really bad even if there are a small handful of monster games in there to make the overall averages look decent at the end.
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Yeah I remember that. He was tough sledding on a week to week basis. I know his best days are far behind him. But in the right situation he can have a late career surge. He has the talent and moxie to do it. It is a wild card pick no doubt.

 
Just like when they drafted David Johnson, now with him missing time he absolutely cannot be missing as a rookie... the Card have to add somebody.

Chris Johnsons or anyone else doesnt change much for Ellington.

Same as Chris Johnson and Ben Tate getting tryouts in Dallas did not effect Joseph Randle, they would have effected the back ups Darren McFadden and co.

 
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Except Ellington isn't a marquee talent to not have to worry about who's running with the twos. Else, why would his head coach be so disappointed with his RB's? If it were Adrian Peterson or some other stud RB, a head coach wouldn't sweat the time off. He'd probably spin it as a blessing in disguise. For that matter, a guy like Randle can't rest easy either. Competition to replace middling talents is the norm in the NFL.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
why would his head coach be so disappointed with his RB's?
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He missed his 1 and 2 for the first week and his 3 and 4 were garbage.

The rookie 2 wont be usable without reps. He is missing cant-miss time.

They HAVE to look to add a veteran for depth at this point.

 
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Just saw this, its pretty simple.

Cardinals coach Bruce Arians says David Johnson's (hamstring) lack of practice time is "killing him."
"There’s no way in hell I’m putting him out there (if he misses camp),"
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LOL. Arians wants his boy out there bad. I don't blame him.

It's frustrating for Johnson, but it would be suicide to rush a grade 2 hammy. Hopefully, he's ready in a week or two.

 
That's the first thing I thought too. It comes off almost desperate. Grade 2 Hamstring pull could linger though.......might be week 4 or 5 before DJ replaces the anemic Ellington.

 
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

Andre Ellington is dealing with a "tight" hamstring.

It's obviously not a major issue, but a reminder of Ellington's fragility, and the absurdity of coach Bruce Arians' claim that Ellington will handle 20 weekly touches this season. Ellington simply isn't durable enough to be a full-time back, and the sooner the Cardinals realize as such, the better.

Source: Kent Somers on Twitter
Aug 3 - 2:16 PM
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The absurdity of giving their best back the majority of touches.

 
BigSteelThrill said:
6 touches 52 yards 1 td.

1 drive.

:yes:
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Very nice, but keep the hype down sir. :)

I'm targeting this guy everywhere possible.

Sign me up to see what he can do when he is a bit more healthy. (I will obviously be getting a cuff in this instance too, when appropriate)

TZM

 
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With CJ looking like he's coming on board & the talented rookie looming, this dude has very little chance to be a big FF factor, IMO. If David Johnson wasn't injured, Ellington's value would be on shaky ground. DJ should be returning fairly soon and that's not to mention CJ.

 
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CJ is not the answer at this stage and from what I can tell DJ may end up like looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane. Just don't think D Johnson has the instincts and intangibles to be an NFL "running back" but more of a passing game weapon.
I would bring in a RB with the bottom line of, all he does is produce= Bradshaw or bring Rice in to see which version you get in 2015 and offer the minimum if it looks like he still has something left.

With that said I still think Ellington will be the man vs CJ or DJ

 
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werdnoynek said:
Chaka said:
Seriously, what is this agenda that people keep saying rotoworld has?
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To make controversial subjective analysis to get a click.
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So like every single media outlet in the history of ever? (If it bleeds, it leads).

VaTerp said:
Chaka said:
Seriously, what is this agenda that people keep saying rotoworld has?
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Rotoworld's writers have a tendency to conflate updates with their subjective opinions and pass them off as fact. And often its clear that they have personal bias for or against certain players. Based on what they've said in previous blurbs about Ellington, David Johnson, and now a potential Chris Johnson signing, it seems clear to me that someone there has a bias to talk up Johnson.

Another example is this last sentence on a blurb about Michael Floyd's injury- "A disappointment through two seasons in Bruce Arians' system, Floyd isn't going to take a fantasy step forward this year." Opinion stated as fact. They clearly have no love for Floyd and are enamored with John "Smokey" Brown as they like to call him.

I check their site often for updates and injury news but take their analysis with a grain of salt. It doesn't bother me like it does some others but I do find it comical at times.
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Seems like roto gets a lot more hate for something everyone does.

 
Chaka said:
Seems like roto gets a lot more hate for something everyone does.
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It's more like the difference between embedded "native advertising" and banner ads. I find the former far more annoying because I have to do spend my own effort on the discrimination to identify it as non-fact.

Rotoworld couches its fantasy opinion inside its news updates. Most sites I could compare it to separate the two: "Here's the news. We think <this> because/regardless of said news." The latter is preferable to me. YMMV.

 
They already make their opinion part a totally different color. Not sure what people want out of them.

I always thought the problem was that their opinions sucked, not that they were there at all. :shrug:

 
Chris Johnson - RB - Cardinals

Cardinals agreed to terms with RB Chris Johnson to a one-year, $2 million contract.

Johnson, who turns 30 in September, spent 2014 with the Jets, piling up 663 yards and one touchdown on 155 carries (4.28 YPC). He caught 24 passes while operating as New York's No. 2 back behind Chris Ivory. While Johnson has been an offense-killing boom-or-bust runner for years, his presence on Arizona's roster most certainly poses a threat to Andre Ellington's workload, as well as third-round pick David Johnson's rookie-year usage. Johnson is not an overly compelling fantasy target on his own, but it was quite clear Ellington is not build to handle heavy volume last season. If Johnson has anything left, he could turn this running back rotation into a fantasy-value-draining two- or three-man ordeal.

Source: Jay Glazer on Twitter Aug 17 - 6:36 PM

 
Boone22 said:
Chris Johnson - RB - Cardinals

Cardinals agreed to terms with RB Chris Johnson to a one-year, $2 million contract.

Johnson, who turns 30 in September, spent 2014 with the Jets, piling up 663 yards and one touchdown on 155 carries (4.28 YPC). He caught 24 passes while operating as New York's No. 2 back behind Chris Ivory. While Johnson has been an offense-killing boom-or-bust runner for years, his presence on Arizona's roster most certainly poses a threat to Andre Ellington's workload, as well as third-round pick David Johnson's rookie-year usage. Johnson is not an overly compelling fantasy target on his own, but it was quite clear Ellington is not build to handle heavy volume last season. If Johnson has anything left, he could turn this running back rotation into a fantasy-value-draining two- or three-man ordeal.

Source: Jay Glazer on Twitter Aug 17 - 6:36 PM
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David Johnson also returned to practice.

 
This is actually good for Ellington...the fresher they keep him the more explosive he will be. Problem has been the Cardinals play calling...they need to throw more screens and short passes to Ellington. CJ hasn't had anything left in a couple years.

 
Anyone here play FF for more than 6 years?

This dude is done. He's not a 1st rd draft pick QB/RB. They're not going to waste another year to see if he has "it".

 
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The legend of Ellongton reminds me of the stanch DMC defenders claiming he was just bit by bad kick and the injury bug. He's not some transcendent talent, he's an overachieving former 7th rounder.

 
undercover said:
This is actually good for Ellington...the fresher they keep him the more explosive he will be. Problem has been the Cardinals play calling...they need to throw more screens and short passes to Ellington. CJ hasn't had anything left in a couple years.
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Didn't' CJ average over 4 yds per carry recently? Whatever makes you feel better about this I admire your thinking.

 
dmac37 said:
and from what I can tell DJ may end up like looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane. Just don't think D Johnson has the instincts and intangibles to be an NFL "running back" but more of a passing game weapon.
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What could you possibly be basing these on so far?
 
It's abundantly clear that Ellington isn't built to handle 20+ touches a game; he had a historically inefficient season last year. Still, I imagine he can put up similar numbers on half those touches if he's schemed into space. Go rewatch his 57 yard reception in their last preseason game, he's still a big play threat. So ARI isn't going to run him up the gut a billion times at 2 yards a clip anymore..who cares. You're also not paying a premium for "what could be" this year, I'll be glad to grab in in the 5-7th. I hope the Johnson signing sinks his stock some more.

 
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