TartanLion
Footballguy
I'm non ppr, but the waiver wire is so barren that a few speculative manoeuvres had to be made. Ellington is at least a real buy low just now.
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Andre Ellington - RB - Clemson. (2 Viewers)
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Capella
Footballguy
Yea I like having him around for injuries/byes. Although, that's not why I took him in round 6.
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Wat? Chris Johnson is pretty much the most durable RB in NFL history. Literally, he NEVER gets hurt / misses time.
zamboni
Footballguy
I think they're talking losing effectiveness with a heavy load as opposed to missing time.
That said, Arians seems to be using him prudently by keeping his pitch count at about 15-20 carries a game and using DJ and Ellington in the passing role. An RBBC lite, if you will.
Ted Mullins
Footballguy
I've been holding on thinking it's inevitable he outplays CJ and takes the lead job back, but I'm not sure it's gonna happen this year. CJ's been pretty good and it seems like Ellington would have to drastically outperform CJ for Arians to make a change at this point.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I hope so. It is inexplicable that Ellington isn't getting more use. I think it is especially hurting their passing game.
Shutout
Footballguy
I'll be honest, I have all but completely forgotten about this guy. Chris Johnson is playing so solid for them and David Johnson is the threat to score on every play if he is ever needed.
Ellington certainly has his own level of talent but I get the sense the coaches simply don't think they can count on his health week in and week out. That's a huge time investment that can't be ignored.
TartanLion
Footballguy
I'm holding personally, but thats probably more indicative of the fact I have no depth at the position right now, rather than there being any visible notion of him beginning to get more of a workload.
I don't think that's true. They've been willing to give him a full load in the past. Arians seems to just give jobs to the next man up and then stick with that man even when the incumbent returns. Ellington was going to get the main gig, but he got hurt week 1. Chris Johnson has done ok against defenses clearly fearing the pass more than the run so he's kept the job. Should he get hurt, Ellington would likely get his job back. Kind of like Michael Floyd/John Brown. Floyd was all set to be the WR2 but then got hurt so John Brown took the WR2 job and kept it until he got hurt. Then Floyd stepped in and Arians made a comment that Brown took Floyd's job while he was hurt and now Floyd's taken it back while Brown was hurt.
I also think Arians has a preference for veterans.
In conclusion, Ellington is a high upside handcuff but nothing more.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Mostly agree. I am still holding now because I think he is the best handcuff left in football. That said, I do think Arizona is missing something from the passing game without Ellington and would not be surprised to see him get a few more touches later in the year when they get into must win games.
packersfan
Footballguy
He's sitting on the WW and I just lost Dion Lewis so I'm thinking about making a bid for Ellington this week. Unfortunately, there's no reason right now to think he has any fantasy value barring injury. I think he should be at least the No. 2 RB and the passing down back but he's neither one. Arians said before Week 8 Ellington's role would grow and he had 3 touches. I can't figure out what they're doing with him. When I look at my league's WW he's by far the most talented RB sitting there. But he also comes with huge risk since he has no defined role and there's just no way of knowing each week if he'll be involved or not. Even someone like Antonio Andrews has considerably more value right now and he's the definition of "Just a guy" as a talent whereas Ellington has shown he's a lot more than that when healthy.
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I agree (not sure about the best, but he's up there due to situation). I thought Ellington was a very good value this year and had him as a target behind Ivory and Martin. Luckily didn't get him, but I still think he'll produce well if he gets a shot. I wasn't impressed with Chris Johnson last year so I'm pretty sure Ellington could do just as well, if not better, if given a shot. He seemed to get a lot of targets last year, but Arians isn't known for throwing to the RB a lot, so I wouldn't hold out a lot of hope for Palmer throwing any RB very many passes while Fitz, Floyd, and Brown are healthy.
packersfan
Footballguy
Ellington averaged more than 5 targets and nearly 4 receptions per game last season. He was a big part of the passing game last season. Non-existent most of this year which is shocking to me. He's a great receiver and dynamic in the open field. I have no idea why he isn't being used there this season.
They should use him, but if you look at Arians' historical usage, last year was the anomaly. In Pit he didn't throw much to the RB and in Indy I think he only threw like 50 targets to the RBs. If he has receivers, he prefers to use them and he's got a lot of good ones here. I would not anticipate the RB targets to increase in the second half of the season. There have been 42 targets so far. I'd be surprised to see a strong deviation from that pattern.
packersfan
Footballguy
If true then Ellington is nothing more than a potential handcuff for CJ owners. If the Cardinals won't use him in the passing game he won't have a role. That's an area where he can excel even if he isn't starting.
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zamboni
Footballguy
I've had him for three years straight now and want to get rid of him. But I know the week I do, CJ will be the next guy to go down for the year.
zamboni
Footballguy
I doubt Ellington re-takes the starting role outside of a CJ injury, but maybe starts to take more touches. CJ seems to be slowing down from his great start, but he's still reliable and Arians seems to trust him. Plus, as long as the team is winning with the passing game, I doubt Arians changes up much.
Ellington has looked really solid when he's played and he isn't a rookie. I'm wondering if we could see him splitting or more in the stretch run. Johnson doesn't look anywhere as explosive.
zamboni
Footballguy
I wish they would IR him just so I can cleanly drop him. I've held onto him since his breakout two years ago caddying for Mendenhall and he just never fully delivered on his considerable promise due to injuries.
Ugh, right when Johnson went down. Been holding onto him all season. Will have to throw in a waiver request on the other Johnson, but I'll probably lose out on someone with a higher priority. I had Johnson for a while too, but let him go weeks ago. Just another in a season of bad moves.
dipandglide
Footballguy
There's nothing worse than this. You need a lot of luck with stashes(in re-draft especially)
So true, just been a bad year it seems. My best team (10-2, should be 11-1 if not for a bad lineup decision) has lost so many guys from key guys like Smith Sr, Foster and Luck and has a 20 transaction limit (I'm already done for the year FML) with a small roster size, so when you make a bad stash and ignore a guy you would pick up in other leagues, it really hurts. Freaking Luck was supposed to be a set it and forget it at QB and I've had to work on QB weekly since his first injury. That alone has cost me the chance to stash other guys who I know would be assets right now. I have and started Ware but passed on West because Foster was still alive and Andrew Luck was still dinged. Sucks it's been bad timing.
Milkman
Footballguy
same here man. Was preparing for the playoffs and had Ellington assuming CJohnson would get banged up, and of course he did. Probably won't be able to get David Johnson.
dirtyjay
Footballguy
Lol...I spoke a second too soon. I take this as good news.
NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reports Andre Ellington (turf toe) is day to day, but "in doubt" for Week 13.
Rapsheet is confirming what's already out there. Considering Ellington's injury history, we'd be surprised if he suited up against the Rams. David Johnson is Week 13's top waiver wire add.
Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter
ourmanflint
Footballguy
Not to downplay his current injury but last year's injury was quite different. Although it was the same foot it was a different part of the foot.
I found this recovery time for turf toe. It would be nice to hear the grade of sprain he suffered:
Dr. Modabber says that Grade 1 big toe sprains (turf toe) are manageable and may not prevent a quick return to action in two or three days, if not sooner. Grade 2 sprains may prevent playing time from one day to two weeks, and Grade 3 sprains could keep a person out of action 3-6 weeks; longer if surgery is required.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
Some encouraging news here:
Looks like he will come back soon but will Johnson do enough to seize the job before he does?
buffalo999111
Footballguy
Wasnt Arians pretty critical about David Johnson earlier in the season? I'm thinking if Johnson fumbles or messes up, it could be Ellington's when he comes back
dirtyjay
Footballguy
How is him seeing a specialist encouraging news? I assume you believe him being on the field when cleared is the encouraging part.
This is a very bad injury for RBs that is easy to aggravate and with them playing a short week next week, I dont see how he is back until week 15 at the earliest, but if he is back earlier, it wont be the first time I was wrong. But this is my belief, when he comes back, he will not be effective.
This is a very bad injury for RBs that is easy to aggravate and with them playing a short week next week, I dont see how he is back until week 15 at the earliest, but if he is back earlier, it wont be the first time I was wrong. But this is my belief, when he comes back, he will not be effective.
Todem
Footballguy
I think the RB situation is very murky now. I like David Johnson a lot. But they don't trust him yet. He is a gifted pass catching back. As far as a every down NFL back? Unknown at this point.
Chris Johnson going down is a huge injury for this team. They trusted CJ and although he was pedestrian. He was steady. Plugging in Ellington and DJ for big plays around the solid, workmen like CJ was a perfect cocktail.
Now all that is out the window.
Ellington being hurt makes things even worse for the Cardinals. At least if he was healthy you had a clear change of pace, pass catching back to allow DJ to maybe take hold of the between the tackles yards CJ left on the table with his injury.
It will be interesting to see how it shakes out. I don't think DJ is a slam dunk 3 down back right now this season. I think Arians will go to his veteran Stepfan Taylor to get some real work along with David Johnson. Not what fantasy owners want to hear....but for at least this week that maybe the plan with Ellington down.
If Ellington were healthy I have little doubt he would be running as the starter with David Johnson 2nd in line. That's how Arians roles. He likes his veterans first.
It's a great chance though for David to emerge though. I hope he can.
Chris Johnson going down is a huge injury for this team. They trusted CJ and although he was pedestrian. He was steady. Plugging in Ellington and DJ for big plays around the solid, workmen like CJ was a perfect cocktail.
Now all that is out the window.
Ellington being hurt makes things even worse for the Cardinals. At least if he was healthy you had a clear change of pace, pass catching back to allow DJ to maybe take hold of the between the tackles yards CJ left on the table with his injury.
It will be interesting to see how it shakes out. I don't think DJ is a slam dunk 3 down back right now this season. I think Arians will go to his veteran Stepfan Taylor to get some real work along with David Johnson. Not what fantasy owners want to hear....but for at least this week that maybe the plan with Ellington down.
If Ellington were healthy I have little doubt he would be running as the starter with David Johnson 2nd in line. That's how Arians roles. He likes his veterans first.
It's a great chance though for David to emerge though. I hope he can.
Ted Mullins
Footballguy
This is exactly why I'm still holding onto Ellington. David Johnson has been really good with very limited touches but it seems like Arians is hesitant to unleash him - I think Ellington can be a fantasy starter IF he can get healthy soon.
That said, with only a few weeks left I definitely think you can ditch Ellington if you need to make a move. For me personally, I'm gonna need to see his usage for at least one week before I can start him. By the time he's healthy and you're comfortable rolling him out there, how many weeks are left?
zamboni
Footballguy
I'm not so sure that Ellington would be given enough of a workload to be a viable RB plug-in. Even if he's not hobbled by his injuries, I don't think Arians trusts Ellington enough to stay healthy and would keep him in situational use. Arians also has to think longer-term for the playoffs.
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ourmanflint
Footballguy
Yes. Assuming week 14 is your look and see week, that leaves 15 and 16 for possibly rolling him out. For me he is RB depth that could come in handy on some RB thin teams that will be in the playoffs. These types of plays can be handy, just like Beanie Wells and Ryan Grant in 2012. They did basically nothing all year and then won championships.
