Andre Ellington - RB - Clemson. (2 Viewers)

[zamboni]

A bit hesitant to start Ellington against Seattle, but I don't think that Mendenhall can pound the rock on the Seattle front. So Ellington may be used more to get into space.

Of course, no more than 32 snap counts. <_<

 

[ImTheScientist]

A bit hesitant to start Ellington against Seattle, but I don't think that Mendenhall can pound the rock on the Seattle front. So Ellington may be used more to get into space.

Of course, no more than 32 snap counts. <_<

Doesn't matter if he touches the ball 20 times on those 32.

 

[McGarnicle]

I like him over Gore really I think Gore slows down and Ellington gets better... Week to week just like Gio it seems like the coaches give them a little more to eat... If ellington could go from 12 touches to 15-17 within 3 weeks he would be a RB2 Easy in ppr.

I agree that's the trend. Gore's been treating me well and I'm not ready to make the switch this week. Would not be surprised if the tipping point comes really soon though.

 

[rjv]

The only hurdle that holds Ellington back and hinders his talent is Ariens. This guy needs to make him the feature back and stop being loyal to Mendy.

 

[cubbie5150]

Dude needs more snaps. Otherwise it'll be such an easy tell that it's likely he's getting the ball if his touches to up but his snaps do not. Hope that overly obvious observation makes sense

 

[T with T]

I like him over Gore really I think Gore slows down and Ellington gets better... Week to week just like Gio it seems like the coaches give them a little more to eat... If ellington could go from 12 touches to 15-17 within 3 weeks he would be a RB2 Easy in ppr.

After there seemingly being a changing of the guards several weeks ago between BGE and Gio (Gio saw something like 72% of the snaps to BGE's 18), things have sadly normalized recently. BGE is still seeing a healthy amount of snaps/work. In PPR, Gio is still obviously a valuable asset but BGE isn't going away any time soon (sadly, since his 3.3 YPC on the season is indicative to his ability).

Gio received 15 carries and 6 catches... thats 21 touches Im fine with that workload.. Gio's carries have gone up every week... He will still be touching the ball 15-20 times so BJGE can plod another 10 times....

 

[T with T]

Ellington needs about 50-60 snaps and 15-20 touches.... 12-14 carries and 3-6 catches for people unfriendly to math. This isn't rocket science... Mendy has 75 carries and avg 3.3 ypc and Ellington has 25 carries avg 7 ypc... that's pathetic the distance it's miles not feet.

 

[McGarnicle]

I like him over Gore really I think Gore slows down and Ellington gets better... Week to week just like Gio it seems like the coaches give them a little more to eat... If ellington could go from 12 touches to 15-17 within 3 weeks he would be a RB2 Easy in ppr.

After there seemingly being a changing of the guards several weeks ago between BGE and Gio (Gio saw something like 72% of the snaps to BGE's 18), things have sadly normalized recently. BGE is still seeing a healthy amount of snaps/work. In PPR, Gio is still obviously a valuable asset but BGE isn't going away any time soon (sadly, since his 3.3 YPC on the season is indicative to his ability).

Gio received 15 carries and 6 catches... thats 21 touches Im fine with that workload.. Gio's carries have gone up every week... He will still be touching the ball 15-20 times so BJGE can plod another 10 times....

I'm not sure Gio's frame could hold up to a full workload. 50% seems around the sweet spot. Most of his upside probably comes in the second half, as the defense starts to get gassed and he can juke. He can take a little screen pass to the house on any given play, and that one play makes your week if you own him.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I like him over Gore really I think Gore slows down and Ellington gets better... Week to week just like Gio it seems like the coaches give them a little more to eat... If ellington could go from 12 touches to 15-17 within 3 weeks he would be a RB2 Easy in ppr.

After there seemingly being a changing of the guards several weeks ago between BGE and Gio (Gio saw something like 72% of the snaps to BGE's 18), things have sadly normalized recently. BGE is still seeing a healthy amount of snaps/work. In PPR, Gio is still obviously a valuable asset but BGE isn't going away any time soon (sadly, since his 3.3 YPC on the season is indicative to his ability).

Gio received 15 carries and 6 catches... thats 21 touches Im fine with that workload.. Gio's carries have gone up every week... He will still be touching the ball 15-20 times so BJGE can plod another 10 times....

I'm not saying that Gio isn't receiving work but that BGE is simply capping his blatant RB1 upside. I also believe BGE has been seeing more GL work recently, something Gio looked to be on the verge of monopolizing earlier in the season.

In PPR, he's a no brainer RB2 but I was hoping we might see him fully blossom this season.. a bit early than expected.

EDIT: Sorry, this will be my last post on the CIN situation, I do not want to derail the topic.

 

[FF Ninja]

As much as we want to rip Arians apart for not using Ellington more, I think he has to get benefit of the doubt here. We see the great results on limited touches, but he sees Ellington day in and day out. And given the great job he did with the Colts last year, hard to dispute what he's doing.

I personally can't stand this argument as it's almost always false. Giving these head coaches the benefit of the doubt is bs 9/10. There's a rather large difference between on the field and practice. I'm sure Christain Ponder and Blaine Gabbert look great in practice too, because they're not bad talents they just can't deal with the pressure of the game and they fold up into the fetal position once the clock starts. So yeah, I hate that argument as it almost always leads to bad decisions. When comparing practice to on the field performance, on the field performance should always hold more weight.

I personally can't stand when people throw out probabilities like this. 9/10 times they are just making stuff up.

 

[grateful zed]

im stuck between ellington vs sea, or mattews @jax.

 

[Rushmore]

im stuck between ellington vs sea, or mattews @jax.

Same - leaning Mathews

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

im stuck between ellington vs sea, or mattews @jax.

ppr or standard?

 

[grateful zed]

im stuck between ellington vs sea, or mattews @jax.

ppr or standard?

standard - leaning mattews as well.

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

im stuck between ellington vs sea, or mattews @jax.

ppr or standard?

standard - leaning mattews as well.

Yeah that's a no brainer in standard. Especially with the matchups.

 

[donkshow]

Ellington is my "1st player being subbed in once my team hits it's bye weeks" player. So he won't be starting over anybody spectacular for the time being. It'd be him or Hilton essentially, right now the ceiling of Hilton keeps him in the flex.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

it`s a lack of faith in the rookie perhaps?

 

[Lionz will turn it around!]

would Ellington be the play over TRich in a std? Not a asst. coach question but seeing how highhe should go and how far TRich has fallen.

 

[Slapdash]

im stuck between ellington vs sea, or mattews @jax.

I have a lot of fringe RB2s after Bush. Leaning towards Mathews and Stacy over MJD and Ellington this week. Which means Ellington is going to have a giant week, you should all start him.

 

[T with T]

I like him over Gore really I think Gore slows down and Ellington gets better... Week to week just like Gio it seems like the coaches give them a little more to eat... If ellington could go from 12 touches to 15-17 within 3 weeks he would be a RB2 Easy in ppr.

After there seemingly being a changing of the guards several weeks ago between BGE and Gio (Gio saw something like 72% of the snaps to BGE's 18), things have sadly normalized recently. BGE is still seeing a healthy amount of snaps/work. In PPR, Gio is still obviously a valuable asset but BGE isn't going away any time soon (sadly, since his 3.3 YPC on the season is indicative to his ability).

Gio received 15 carries and 6 catches... thats 21 touches Im fine with that workload.. Gio's carries have gone up every week... He will still be touching the ball 15-20 times so BJGE can plod another 10 times....

I'm not sure Gio's frame could hold up to a full workload. 50% seems around the sweet spot. Most of his upside probably comes in the second half, as the defense starts to get gassed and he can juke. He can take a little screen pass to the house on any given play, and that one play makes your week if you own him.

Gio's frame LOL are you kidding... he is bigger then rice,mccoy,charles,chrisjohnson,sproles spiller ever were... hes 5-9 5-10 208, there is nothing about his frame screaming I can't carry more then half load.. I think that is bs my friend and Im sure fellow sharkies could attest to that. What that is, is coaches being loyal to a fault.... Arians and the other dip#### in cinci Lewis.

 

[MCguidance]

I really like this kid the more and more I see of him.

He has a burst that gets him to the second level and makes him a matchup nightmare out of the backfield. Not sure about running between the tackles, but that might be since the coaching staff doesn't utilize him that way.

 

[McGarnicle]

I wish I didn't already own him so I could drop TRich for him.

 

[cubbie5150]

I wish I didn't already own him so I could drop TRich for him.

 

[rjv]

This guy proves the point why NFL teams should wait on drafting a RB later in the draft rather than using a 1st round pick on one.

 

[Lionz will turn it around!]

I wish I didn't already own him so I could drop TRich for him.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

This guy proves the point why NFL teams should wait on drafting a RB later in the draft rather than using a 1st round pick on one.

And Mike Hart, Lex Hilliard, Thomas Clayton, Justise Hairston, Wali Lundy, and J.D. Runnels, among others, proves the point that NFL teams shouldn't wait til the 6th round to draft an RB.

Ellington fell to the 6th round for reasons unbeknownst to me, but I think it's pretty obvious that Ellington is an exception to the rule if anything.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

How highly are people valuing Ellington in dynasty leagues? I've posted it in another thread or two that apply, but I just saw an offer of Nicks for Ellington basically straight up in a dynasty league where you can start up to 4 WR's.

I'm just shocked.

 

[rjv]

This guy proves the point why NFL teams should wait on drafting a RB later in the draft rather than using a 1st round pick on one.

And Mike Hart, Lex Hilliard, Thomas Clayton, Justise Hairston, Wali Lundy, and J.D. Runnels, among others, proves the point that NFL teams shouldn't wait til the 6th round to draft an RB.

Ellington fell to the 6th round for reasons unbeknownst to me, but I think it's pretty obvious that Ellington is an exception to the rule if anything.

Not really, there were many others, like T. Davis, Micheal Turner,Ernest Byner,Terry Allen, Jamaal Anderson, Wilbert Montgomery, Rudi Johnson,Priest Holmes, and the list can go on. My point is draft for need in the early rounds. You don't build a team around a RB.

 

[ImTheScientist]

This guy proves the point why NFL teams should wait on drafting a RB later in the draft rather than using a 1st round pick on one.

And Mike Hart, Lex Hilliard, Thomas Clayton, Justise Hairston, Wali Lundy, and J.D. Runnels, among others, proves the point that NFL teams shouldn't wait til the 6th round to draft an RB.

Ellington fell to the 6th round for reasons unbeknownst to me, but I think it's pretty obvious that Ellington is an exception to the rule if anything.

Not really, there were many others, like T. Davis, Micheal Turner,Ernest Byner,Terry Allen, Jamaal Anderson, Wilbert Montgomery, Rudi Johnson,Priest Holmes, and the list can go on. My point is draft for need in the early rounds. You don't build a team round a RB.

The browns learned that the hard way.

 

[T with T]

the Vikings have never been great because of AP... He is one of the greatest runners ever and he is barely able to catapult the vikes to the playoffs let alone win any playoff games.

 

[cstu]

How highly are people valuing Ellington in dynasty leagues? I've posted it in another thread or two that apply, but I just saw an offer of Nicks for Ellington basically straight up in a dynasty league where you can start up to 4 WR's.

I'm just shocked.

Did people go this crazy over Jerious Norwood?

 

[Coeur de Lion]

How highly are people valuing Ellington in dynasty leagues? I've posted it in another thread or two that apply, but I just saw an offer of Nicks for Ellington basically straight up in a dynasty league where you can start up to 4 WR's.

I'm just shocked.

Did people go this crazy over Jerious Norwood?

Yes, yes they did. And countless others, too. Exhibit A: Miller, Lamar 2013.

 

[RushHour]

Nicks is pretty overrated in fantasy IMO. I don't think that offer is shocking in a dynasty league. It's not unreasonable to think Ellington will be the starter next year.

 

[T with T]

or sooner.

 

[T with T]

Here is part of an article I read where they graded the Ari players......

I like this quote and tidbit of info...

Ellington led the team in rushing yards for the third straight game despite having fewer carries than starter Rashard Mendenhall. Over that time, Mendenhall has toted the ball 39 times for 104 yards (2.7 YPC) and a touchdown.

The rookie? He has 18 carries for 137 yards (7.6 YPC) and a score.

At what point will coach Bruce Arians decide it's in the offense's best interest to give Ellington the bulk of the carries? He can ill-afford more running-game pestilence from Mendenhall as the lead back.

The time is now.

here is the link to the page.
http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2013/10/16/4843032/cardinals-49ers-review-andre-ellington-yeremiah-bell-pff

 

[T with T]

Ellington over the last 3 games is avg 3x more per carry then Mendenhall... Is football this complicated??? is Arians that stupid or what is going on? If Ellington doesn't see 15 + touches vs Seattle, Arians is under suspicion for criminal underuse of studs imo.

 

[Faust]

Kiko Alonso of Buffalo Bills tops list of best rookiesExcerpt:

13. Andre Ellington, Arizona Cardinals running back: The sixth-rounder has been a big-play machine, picking up a first down 19 times on 43 touches -- good for a 44 percent conversion rate. For comparison's sake, Adrian Peterson and LeSean McCoy move the chains less than 30 percent of the time.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I'm not looking to step off the hype train here as I own Ellington and would like to see him get a real shot, but of those 18 carries how many came on traditional running plays? Not only is Ellington running a lot of draws and the like, but he's actually been running quite a few end-arounds and gadget plays. Of those 18 carries being cited, I would guess that at least 5 (almost a third of them) weren't even on plays where he lined up as the tailback.

I agree that Ellington should get a shot. Mendenhall has been horrible and Ellington has looked good. But let's keep the YPC in context. No one is saying Percy Harvin should be a feature running back because of his great YPC running the ball and, honestly, his usage as a runner hasn't been that different from Ellington's.

 

[FantasyTrader]

I'm not looking to step off the hype train here as I own Ellington and would like to see him get a real shot, but of those 18 carries how many came on traditional running plays? Not only is Ellington running a lot of draws and the like, but he's actually been running quite a few end-arounds and gadget plays. Of those 18 carries being cited, I would guess that at least 5 (almost a third of them) weren't even on plays where he lined up as the tailback.

I agree that Ellington should get a shot. Mendenhall has been horrible and Ellington has looked good. But let's keep the YPC in context. No one is saying Percy Harvin should be a feature running back because of his great YPC running the ball and, honestly, his usage as a runner hasn't been that different from Ellington's.

Well said! And I'm rooting for Ellington to win this job as much as the next guy, but you can't compare Ellington and Mendenhall's YPC with a straight face - because Ellington isn't seeing the same type of carries (between the tackles) as Mendehall. That being said, you don't need to be an NFL scout to see Ellington is already twice the natural runner. I don't know how many people saw that TD run last week but, that little jump-cut to the right was a thing of beauty. You can't teach a RB to see daylight and Ellington seems like a natural.

 

[Shutout]

Ellington's value is continuing to rise around my leagues. I haven't seen anyhting as storng as a "Nicks for Ellington" offer but there is definitely some buzz being created.

With that being said, he really hasn't done anything more than, say, Chris Ogbanyano. Until he gets more snaps, I don't know how he could be anything more than a flex player when needed.

 

[Khy]

I'm not looking to step off the hype train here as I own Ellington and would like to see him get a real shot, but of those 18 carries how many came on traditional running plays? Not only is Ellington running a lot of draws and the like, but he's actually been running quite a few end-arounds and gadget plays. Of those 18 carries being cited, I would guess that at least 5 (almost a third of them) weren't even on plays where he lined up as the tailback.

I agree that Ellington should get a shot. Mendenhall has been horrible and Ellington has looked good. But let's keep the YPC in context. No one is saying Percy Harvin should be a feature running back because of his great YPC running the ball and, honestly, his usage as a runner hasn't been that different from Ellington's.

Okay, so looking at just the past two weeks. Here's how Ellington's rushing totals accumulated.

Week 6: San Fran - Ellington 7 Carries, 56 yards, 1 TD.

• Off Left Tackle - 2 carries, 9 yards, 0 TDs
• Inside Left Tackle - 1 carry, 14 yards
• Middle: 1 carry, 4 yards, 0 TDs
• Between RG and RT - 1 carry, 15 yards, 1 TD
• Off Right Tackle - 2 Carry, 14 yards

Week 5: Carolina - Ellington - 7 carries, 52 yards, 0 TDs

• Off Left Tackle - 2 carries, 9 yards
• Middle - 4 carries, 31 yards
• Off Right Tackle - 1 carry, 2 yards

Totals being...

Off Tackle: 7 carries, 34 yards, 0 TDs

Between the Tackles: 7 carries, 64 yards, 1 TD

So he's actually been more productive running between the tackles, by a fairly wide margin. Now this is just stats not me looking at actual game tape, so it's possible he's bouncing these plays outside a lot and making these yards happen. But in terms of how he's working on designed runs in certain directions. He's been better inside the tackles then off tackle.

 

[Sir Psycho]

Ellington's value is continuing to rise around my leagues. I haven't seen anyhting as storng as a "Nicks for Ellington" offer but there is definitely some buzz being created.

Well, I just sold Nicks for Ellington in a redraft league...

I really needed a RB for this week because of Sprole's bye week.

And I'm all set at WR with Bryant, Gordon and Blackmon.

 

[ThePassion]

http://www.twitpic.com/dgqgm7

 

[ImTheScientist]

Ellington's value is continuing to rise around my leagues. I haven't seen anyhting as storng as a "Nicks for Ellington" offer but there is definitely some buzz being created.

With that being said, he really hasn't done anything more than, say, Chris Ogbanyano. Until he gets more snaps, I don't know how he could be anything more than a flex player when needed.

In the FPC his is #24 for RBs on a ppg basis. See who he is ahead of below. He has done more than Ogbanyano.....seems like that comment is understating his value.

23	 Rice, Ray 	BAL 	8 	- 	24	 Ellington, Andre 	ARI 	9 		25	 McFadden, Darren 	OAK 	7 		 26	 Johnson, Chris 	TEN 	8 	 	 27	 Richardson, Trent 	IND 	8 	 	 28	 Spiller, C.J. 	BUF 	12 	T 	29	 Ogbonnaya, Chris 	CLE 	10 		30	 Mendenhall, Rashard 	ARI 	9 	 	 31	 Mathews, Ryan 	SDG 	8 	- 	32	 Jones-Drew, Maurice 	JAC 	9

 

[ThePassion]

Started him last week over Chris Johnson and felt great about it.... doing same this week but am on the fence between Lamar Miller (v Buf) and Ellington. I like the fact that they play a tough D, think that actually will give Ellington more chances as Arizona won't be able to just hand the ball off to Mendy. Most likely going to be passing the ball a bit and probably late which I'm thinking leads to more touches for Ellington. I just don't like TNF fantasy players in general.

 

[LuckyOne]

Ellington's value is continuing to rise around my leagues. I haven't seen anyhting as storng as a "Nicks for Ellington" offer but there is definitely some buzz being created.

With that being said, he really hasn't done anything more than, say, Chris Ogbanyano. Until he gets more snaps, I don't know how he could be anything more than a flex player when needed.

In the FPC his is #24 for RBs on a ppg basis. See who he is ahead of below. He has done more than Ogbanyano.....seems like that comment is understating his value.

23 Rice, Ray BAL 8 - 24 Ellington, Andre ARI 9 25 McFadden, Darren OAK 7 26 Johnson, Chris TEN 8 27 Richardson, Trent IND 8 28 Spiller, C.J. BUF 12 T 29 Ogbonnaya, Chris CLE 10 30 Mendenhall, Rashard ARI 9 31 Mathews, Ryan SDG 8 - 32 Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC 9

For an accurate comparison, Ogbonnaya was behind Richardson instead of McGahee a couple of games and out with an injury part of another. I feel both of these players have similar high ceilings in ppr leagues as they both have shown ability and have at least a shot at a featured role.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Ellington's value is continuing to rise around my leagues. I haven't seen anyhting as storng as a "Nicks for Ellington" offer but there is definitely some buzz being created.

With that being said, he really hasn't done anything more than, say, Chris Ogbanyano. Until he gets more snaps, I don't know how he could be anything more than a flex player when needed.

In the FPC his is #24 for RBs on a ppg basis. See who he is ahead of below. He has done more than Ogbanyano.....seems like that comment is understating his value.

23 Rice, Ray BAL 8 - 24 Ellington, Andre ARI 9 25 McFadden, Darren OAK 7 26 Johnson, Chris TEN 8 27 Richardson, Trent IND 8 28 Spiller, C.J. BUF 12 T 29 Ogbonnaya, Chris CLE 10 30 Mendenhall, Rashard ARI 9 31 Mathews, Ryan SDG 8 - 32 Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC 9

For an accurate comparison, Ogbonnaya was behind Richardson instead of McGahee a couple of games and out with an injury part of another. I feel both of these players have similar high ceilings in ppr leagues as they both have shown ability and have at least a shot at a featured role.

Ogbonnaya has been on 3 teams and is 27......not sure he has ellington upside.

 

[T with T]

Ellington needs work... He's hungry

 

[Bobby Guano]

I'm not looking to step off the hype train here as I own Ellington and would like to see him get a real shot, but of those 18 carries how many came on traditional running plays? Not only is Ellington running a lot of draws and the like, but he's actually been running quite a few end-arounds and gadget plays. Of those 18 carries being cited, I would guess that at least 5 (almost a third of them) weren't even on plays where he lined up as the tailback.

I agree that Ellington should get a shot. Mendenhall has been horrible and Ellington has looked good. But let's keep the YPC in context. No one is saying Percy Harvin should be a feature running back because of his great YPC running the ball and, honestly, his usage as a runner hasn't been that different from Ellington's.

Okay, so looking at just the past two weeks. Here's how Ellington's rushing totals accumulated.

Week 6: San Fran - Ellington 7 Carries, 56 yards, 1 TD.

• Off Left Tackle - 2 carries, 9 yards, 0 TDs
• Inside Left Tackle - 1 carry, 14 yards
• Middle: 1 carry, 4 yards, 0 TDs
• Between RG and RT - 1 carry, 15 yards, 1 TD
• Off Right Tackle - 2 Carry, 14 yards

Week 5: Carolina - Ellington - 7 carries, 52 yards, 0 TDs

• Off Left Tackle - 2 carries, 9 yards
• Middle - 4 carries, 31 yards
• Off Right Tackle - 1 carry, 2 yards

Totals being...

Off Tackle: 7 carries, 34 yards, 0 TDs

Between the Tackles: 7 carries, 64 yards, 1 TD

So he's actually been more productive running between the tackles, by a fairly wide margin. Now this is just stats not me looking at actual game tape, so it's possible he's bouncing these plays outside a lot and making these yards happen. But in terms of how he's working on designed runs in certain directions. He's been better inside the tackles then off tackle.

From what little I've seen he is very decisive and hit's the hole really quick. He's through the hole and into the second level before the safety gets there to fill it. Then he just makes a nasty cut out side breaks the saftie's ankles and heads straight up feild once hes around him. There are three runs on NFL.com highlights like this. All of these were on 1st & 10 and one was 2nd & 6 so not in passing down situations

It looks to me like he doesn't run for the side lines, he cuts/slides sideways to get away from tacklers then heads stright up feild.

He looks pretty darn legit IMO.

 

[Goooals]

How do we think he will do against the tough SEA D?

I project:

5 carries - 17 yards

6 receptions - 48 yards

Maybe a .4 chance of a TD

Fairly productive, but I don't see major points.