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Andre Ellington - RB - Clemson. (4 Viewers)

Yep. I understand it's apples and oranges comparing Ellington's 3rd down ypc to Mendenhall's ypc, but Ellington has routinely doubled up Mendenhall on a per touch average. It's not even close right now how much more efficient the Cards are with Ellington.

 
rjv said:
Arians needs to wake up and make this guy the feature back
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Writing has been on the wall for a few weeks now. At the moment, Ellington has 10 touches, Mendy 11. Ellington has been increasing every week. The way it has been trending , Ellington gets more touches next week for the first time this season - unless that already occurs tonight.

 
Kenny Powers said:
rjv said:
Arians needs to wake up and make this guy the feature back
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Writing has been on the wall for a few weeks now. At the moment, Ellington has 10 touches, Mendy 11. Ellington has been increasing every week. The way it has been trending , Ellington gets more touches next week for the first time this season - unless that already occurs tonight.
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From watching and reading these boards, I grabbed him off the WW after week 3
 
FantasyTrader said:
Yep. I understand it's apples and oranges comparing Ellington's 3rd down ypc to Mendenhall's ypc, but Ellington has routinely doubled up Mendenhall on a per touch average. It's not even close right now how much more efficient the Cards are with Ellington.
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In a ppr league it's a no brainer. Ellington has been averaging 13 points a week in my league
 
rjv said:
Kenny Powers said:
rjv said:
Arians needs to wake up and make this guy the feature back
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Writing has been on the wall for a few weeks now. At the moment, Ellington has 10 touches, Mendy 11. Ellington has been increasing every week. The way it has been trending , Ellington gets more touches next week for the first time this season - unless that already occurs tonight.
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From watching and reading these boards, I grabbed him off the WW after week 3
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Same and haven't even considered dropping him. He may very well be getting 70% of the RB touches a few weeks from now, and based on his production he is deserving of that. If that happens, he's an easy start/RB2.

 
Clemson fan here... very happy to see Ellington find success. He struggled with injuries throughout his career when he was the feature back. He may surprise me but I think he is best suited in a RBBC situation.

edited to say.... In his defense...he had a sub par O'line throughout his career in clemson. Was constantly avoiding tackles in backfield....which could explain the injuries....

 
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Ellington was making nice runs today. Cardinals make a mistake and give Taylor some carries and he fumbles the game away.

How much longer can they limit his touches?

 
On the broadcast, they're talking about how Arians says he could be Sproles if he gained 10 pounds. He resembles Charles more to me. Seems like he's capable of getting 20 touches to me.

 
Slapdash said:
Ellington was making nice runs today. Cardinals make a mistake and give Taylor some carries and he fumbles the game away.

How much longer can they limit his touches?
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Arians seems intent on limiting his touches. He knows how dynamic he is, he's just stupid and thinks that he's too small to get more touches. Said if he puts on 10 more pounds he can be Arian Foster.

 
Very impressed by this kid. Wish I owned him in more leagues, but glad I have him in at least a couple

 
ryno1980 said:
On the broadcast, they're talking about how Arians says he could be Sproles if he gained 10 pounds. He resembles Charles more to me. Seems like he's capable of getting 20 touches to me.
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Look at the interview someone posted on the last page, Ellington is jacked. Muscle wise, he looks much bigger than both JC and Sproles.

 
ryno1980 said:
On the broadcast, they're talking about how Arians says he could be Sproles if he gained 10 pounds. He resembles Charles more to me. Seems like he's capable of getting 20 touches to me.
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I heard that as well. Yo Arians, screw the 10 lbs. I think what you mean is if this guy adds on 10 touches (a game) he's Darren Sproles.

 
Is there any merit to my hunch that this guy because of his style of play is somewhat matchup-proof, meaning he's going to get his 50-80yds vs. pretty much anyone?

Obviously looking for some confirmation bias as I may have to start him next week. :unsure:

 
Seems like Ariens can't get away from the allegiance he has with mendy. Screw that logic, your a HC in the NFL, play your best players! It's not rocket science.

 
Kenny Powers said:
ryno1980 said:
On the broadcast, they're talking about how Arians says he could be Sproles if he gained 10 pounds. He resembles Charles more to me. Seems like he's capable of getting 20 touches to me.
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Look at the interview someone posted on the last page, Ellington is jacked. Muscle wise, he looks much bigger than both JC and Sproles.
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And it never fails, when RBs put on weight they end up slower and less shifty. Then they start tearing stuff in their legs. Ariens is a fool.

 
GroveDiesel said:
Kenny Powers said:
ryno1980 said:
On the broadcast, they're talking about how Arians says he could be Sproles if he gained 10 pounds. He resembles Charles more to me. Seems like he's capable of getting 20 touches to me.
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Look at the interview someone posted on the last page, Ellington is jacked. Muscle wise, he looks much bigger than both JC and Sproles.
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And it never fails, when RBs put on weight they end up slower and less shifty. Then they start tearing stuff in their legs. Ariens is a fool.
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Yeah, I'm not sure why HC make those comments on weight. Every time a RB puts on 10 lbs they get 10x worse than they were, lose most of their speed and agility and become more injury prone. Then you have the flip side of heavy backs who lose 10lbs and become monsters (Marshawn Lynch here's lookin at you kid).

Ellington is clearly far, far, far and away the best RB on this team. It's not even remotely close. But Arian's is a fool and it looks like we'll need a Mendy injury to see Ellington take a real lions share of the carries. Although, Mendy could miss 3 weeks and Ellington could put up 150 yards and 2 TDs in every game he misses and Mendy would still probably come back as the starter.

 
As much as we want to rip Arians apart for not using Ellington more, I think he has to get benefit of the doubt here. We see the great results on limited touches, but he sees Ellington day in and day out. And given the great job Arians did with the Colts last year, hard to dispute what he's doing.

 
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zamboni said:
As much as we want to rip Arians apart for not using Ellington more, I think he has to get benefit of the doubt here. We see the great results on limited touches, but he sees Ellington day in and day out. And given the great job he did with the Colts last year, hard to dispute what he's doing.
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I personally can't stand this argument as it's almost always false. Giving these head coaches the benefit of the doubt is bs 9/10. There's a rather large difference between on the field and practice. I'm sure Christain Ponder and Blaine Gabbert look great in practice too, because they're not bad talents they just can't deal with the pressure of the game and they fold up into the fetal position once the clock starts. So yeah, I hate that argument as it almost always leads to bad decisions. When comparing practice to on the field performance, on the field performance should always hold more weight.

 
Khy said:
zamboni said:
As much as we want to rip Arians apart for not using Ellington more, I think he has to get benefit of the doubt here. We see the great results on limited touches, but he sees Ellington day in and day out. And given the great job he did with the Colts last year, hard to dispute what he's doing.
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I personally can't stand this argument as it's almost always false. Giving these head coaches the benefit of the doubt is bs 9/10. There's a rather large difference between on the field and practice. I'm sure Christain Ponder and Blaine Gabbert look great in practice too, because they're not bad talents they just can't deal with the pressure of the game and they fold up into the fetal position once the clock starts. So yeah, I hate that argument as it almost always leads to bad decisions. When comparing practice to on the field performance, on the field performance should always hold more weight.
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Even if you look at the on-the-field performance, maybe Arians thinks that Ellington will be more effective with limited touches. We're not on the field, the coaches are.

 
zamboni said:
Khy said:
zamboni said:
As much as we want to rip Arians apart for not using Ellington more, I think he has to get benefit of the doubt here. We see the great results on limited touches, but he sees Ellington day in and day out. And given the great job he did with the Colts last year, hard to dispute what he's doing.
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I personally can't stand this argument as it's almost always false. Giving these head coaches the benefit of the doubt is bs 9/10. There's a rather large difference between on the field and practice. I'm sure Christain Ponder and Blaine Gabbert look great in practice too, because they're not bad talents they just can't deal with the pressure of the game and they fold up into the fetal position once the clock starts. So yeah, I hate that argument as it almost always leads to bad decisions. When comparing practice to on the field performance, on the field performance should always hold more weight.
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Even if you look at the on-the-field performance, maybe Arians thinks that Ellington will be more effective with limited touches. We're not on the field, the coaches are.
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Sure, and at one point the Chiefs thought Charles would be better on limited touches. The Bills thought Spiller would be better on limited touches. And that list continues on, don't always assume rational coaching. Just because they are head coaches doesn't mean they are making the correct decisions every time. It's a bad assumption to think as much.

 
We're seeing the same thing the coaches are. My HDTV shows pretty clearly ellington blows mendenhall away. Arians is just being loyal to a fault.

 
zamboni said:
As much as we want to rip Arians apart for not using Ellington more, I think he has to get benefit of the doubt here. We see the great results on limited touches, but he sees Ellington day in and day out. And given the great job Arians did with the Colts last year, hard to dispute what he's doing.
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Arians OC job last season with Indy is so overrated. If he ran that system (given the weapons, and protection) with any rookie qb not named Andrew Luck (uber elite pocket awareness and evasiveness along with being huge and fast) he would have been run out of town

 
maf005 said:
zamboni said:
As much as we want to rip Arians apart for not using Ellington more, I think he has to get benefit of the doubt here. We see the great results on limited touches, but he sees Ellington day in and day out. And given the great job Arians did with the Colts last year, hard to dispute what he's doing.
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Arians OC job last season with Indy is so overrated. If he ran that system (given the weapons, and protection) with any rookie qb not named Andrew Luck (uber elite pocket awareness and evasiveness along with being huge and fast) he would have been run out of town
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This is also incredibly valid. Arian's didn't really do anything special with Luck last season. He most certainly didn't do a great job with him. Luck had 18 INTs and a 54.1% completion percentage. To go with a 76.5 QB rating. This season we're seeing a coach that's ACTUALLY utilizing Luck's talent in Hamilton. Luck is on pace for 6.4 INTs, he has a 94.1 QB rating and a 62.2% completion percentage through 5 games. And the Colts are actually winning their games, not just getting incredibly lucky to win them like they did last year. Arian's system literally consists of "Throw it deep". It's really not a good system, he'll be out of Arizona in a couple of seasons once they realize he's not that good.

 
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If he put on 10 pounds he would be Sproles? Hmmm, NFL.com says he is actually 10 pounds heavier than Sproles. Everyone sees Ellington making plays with limited touches and is now questioning Arians on why he doesn't get more. I'd prefer if he just said that he thinks limited touches is why Ellington is so effective and leave it at that.

 
I'm getting the feeling this guy is the next breakout star rb a la Charles/Mccoy etc etc. He's electric running/catching the ball. I picked him up in my league (keeper league), FA pickups are 5th rd keepers and i have a feeling he'll be well worth that price tag in 2014...

 
JayJay328 said:
If he put on 10 pounds he would be Sproles? Hmmm, NFL.com says he is actually 10 pounds heavier than Sproles. Everyone sees Ellington making plays with limited touches and is now questioning Arians on why he doesn't get more. I'd prefer if he just said that he thinks limited touches is why Ellington is so effective and leave it at that.
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If he doesn't smarten up, this will be one of the big reasons Arians will get is a22 ran out of town, just like Todd Haley did in KC. Haley didn't utilize Jamal Charles in KC because of his stubbornness and ineptness as a coach and the Chiefs lost because of it!

You don't see Andy Reid doing this at all in KC. Reid utilizes Charles as his workhorse back and the Chiefs are 6-0 because of it! It amazes me how stupid coaches (Arians) can be when he has a gem in Ellington right in front of his eyes, but refuses too because of stubbornness!!

 
One thing i will say from watching some of his college runs, he doesnt seem to have the break away speed like the Mccoy/Charles ilk. There were quite a few runs he was chased and brought down by DB's. He's probably quicker then fast as these draft pundits would say. Having said that, doesnt mean he couldnt be an elite fantasy back.

 
JayJay328 said:
If he put on 10 pounds he would be Sproles? Hmmm, NFL.com says he is actually 10 pounds heavier than Sproles. Everyone sees Ellington making plays with limited touches and is now questioning Arians on why he doesn't get more. I'd prefer if he just said that he thinks limited touches is why Ellington is so effective and leave it at that.
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No, he said 10 pounds heavier and he'd be Foster.

 
Khy said:
GroveDiesel said:
Kenny Powers said:
ryno1980 said:
On the broadcast, they're talking about how Arians says he could be Sproles if he gained 10 pounds. He resembles Charles more to me. Seems like he's capable of getting 20 touches to me.
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Look at the interview someone posted on the last page, Ellington is jacked. Muscle wise, he looks much bigger than both JC and Sproles.
Click to expand...
And it never fails, when RBs put on weight they end up slower and less shifty. Then they start tearing stuff in their legs. Ariens is a fool.
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Yeah, I'm not sure why HC make those comments on weight. Every time a RB puts on 10 lbs they get 10x worse than they were, lose most of their speed and agility and become more injury prone. Then you have the flip side of heavy backs who lose 10lbs and become monsters (Marshawn Lynch here's lookin at you kid).

Ellington is clearly far, far, far and away the best RB on this team. It's not even remotely close. But Arian's is a fool and it looks like we'll need a Mendy injury to see Ellington take a real lions share of the carries. Although, Mendy could miss 3 weeks and Ellington could put up 150 yards and 2 TDs in every game he misses and Mendy would still probably come back as the starter.
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LOLOL that's some funny stuff.. dang I thought I had posted that. Yea no ####, how come arians is that dumb?

 
Da Gildz said:
One thing i will say from watching some of his college runs, he doesnt seem to have the break away speed like the Mccoy/Charles ilk. There were quite a few runs he was chased and brought down by DB's. He's probably quicker then fast as these draft pundits would say. Having said that, doesnt mean he couldnt be an elite fantasy back.
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Mccoy doesn't really have breakaway speed he is just real shifty stop on a dime, elusive type.. Ellington is just as fast as mccoy 60 meter +... he's a 4.4 guy legit, just like mccoy. Charles would clock in at low 4.3.

 
his game speed is much faster then a 4.6... you should be able to see that... pulling up with a hammy on a stupid combine run doesn't cement what he runs...He is a legit 4.4 guy.

 
SameSongNDance said:
He's clearly got good burst, just doesn't have a second gear. It'd be nice if he did but he's still an all purpose yard machine.
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:goodposting:

It should be obvious to anyone who watched him in college that speed is far from an issue of Ellington's. No he doesn't have great long speed, but as I said before the draft, he's arguably the quickest RB in last years draft and quickness is more important than long speed anyway.

 
Interested to see who you're starting Ellington over this week.

On one hand, Seattle is a tough team. On the other hand, RBs have been scoring TDs on Seattle of late.

 
jdoggydogg said:
Interested to see who you're starting Ellington over this week.

On one hand, Seattle is a tough team. On the other hand, RBs have been scoring TDs on Seattle of late.
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Im starting him over TRich in my ppr league

 
jdoggydogg said:
Interested to see who you're starting Ellington over this week.

On one hand, Seattle is a tough team. On the other hand, RBs have been scoring TDs on Seattle of late.
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Yup, 1 rushing TD in the last 2 games.

 
rjv said:
jdoggydogg said:
Interested to see who you're starting Ellington over this week.

On one hand, Seattle is a tough team. On the other hand, RBs have been scoring TDs on Seattle of late.
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Im starting him over TRich in my ppr league
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Easy call really. Ellington's floor easily trump TRichs (in PPR).

Ellington is a microcosm of a current macro trend. Ellington has been one of several RBs labeled mere COP or scat backs only to prove their value has been understated. The current dynamic of the league caters to such RBs. I'm very excited for this kids future.

 
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jdoggydogg said:
Interested to see who you're starting Ellington over this week.

On one hand, Seattle is a tough team. On the other hand, RBs have been scoring TDs on Seattle of late.
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Gore and Gio (PPR). Ellington is definitely approaching consideration for a start, especially with the upcoming bye weeks. I have him well ahead of TRich, which is just sad really.

 
I like him over Gore really I think Gore slows down and Ellington gets better... Week to week just like Gio it seems like the coaches give them a little more to eat... If ellington could go from 12 touches to 15-17 within 3 weeks he would be a RB2 Easy in ppr.

 
T with T said:
I like him over Gore really I think Gore slows down and Ellington gets better... Week to week just like Gio it seems like the coaches give them a little more to eat... If ellington could go from 12 touches to 15-17 within 3 weeks he would be a RB2 Easy in ppr.
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After there seemingly being a changing of the guards several weeks ago between BGE and Gio (Gio saw something like 72% of the snaps to BGE's 18), things have sadly normalized recently. BGE is still seeing a healthy amount of snaps/work. In PPR, Gio is still obviously a valuable asset but BGE isn't going away any time soon (sadly, since his 3.3 YPC on the season is indicative to his ability).

 
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