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Andre Ellington - RB - Clemson. (3 Viewers)
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ryno1980
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SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Yeah. I also forgot to include percentage which is obviously more important than the actual number.
Week 1: 8 (11%)
Week 2: 18 (25%)
Week 3: 27 (46%)
He also tied for the team lead with 6 targets last week.
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socrates
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wlwiles
Footballguy
I watched every snap of the AZ vs. NO game and I'm now actually leaning towards dropping Mendenhall for him (12 team lg). I know Mendy was nursing the injury and had missed practice but Ellington just looks much better, and Mendy looks like a plodder. Given Ellington's snap count increases the past 3 weeks and seeing Mendy come in for 2 snaps at a time only indicates to me that Ellington will take over as lead back sooner rather than later. I'm trying to decide if he's worth a top 5 waiver pick up this week or if I can wait and grab him off FA after waivers roll.
Bobby Guano
Footballguy
I'm just curious if the increase in playing time wasn't more a result of being behind the whole game and Ellington's role in the passing situations.
Its curious that Smith got the TD and Ellington was lead blocker. Is Smith more of a threat to take over as primary runner for Mendy keeping Ellington relegated to a situational back?
I've already bought into Ellington and am really hoping he can turn into something more than a RB4 this year.
Its curious that Smith got the TD and Ellington was lead blocker. Is Smith more of a threat to take over as primary runner for Mendy keeping Ellington relegated to a situational back?
I've already bought into Ellington and am really hoping he can turn into something more than a RB4 this year.
i think the fact that they were behind probably played into it and gave Ellington more snaps, but from a PPR perspective that's a great thing. I also doubt he would be used as a lead blocker too many more times in the future - I'm not sure what was going on there to be honest. The most encouraging thing is that they are finding ways to use him around the formation, giving him value touches, playing to his strengths. His snap counts are steadily increasing and it's clear that the coaching staff really values what he can do. I do think it would probably take a Mendenhall injury this season to make him startable, but even in his limited role right now, you could use him in a pinch at flex or for a bye week. And his involvement may even increase from here. I'm cautiously optimistic that he will be one of the best waiver wire adds of the year by the end of the season. A Sproles type of role isn't out of the question here, even if Mendenhall stays healthy.
NajehHejan
Footballguy
Per FBG email:
ARI - Bruce Arians not happy with offense
Source: AZCardinals.com - Darren Urban
Arizona Cardinals head coach Bruce Arians called his offense 'putrid' in their Week 4 win over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Arians is shocked at how long it has taken his team to pick up the offensive playbook. 'I haven't seen it take this long ever,' he said. Arizona has converted just two of 21 third downs in their two victories this year. The issues have been linked to dropped passes, bad throws, poor protection and poorly run routes.
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We could see some shake ups in the Cardinals offense if they don't get things worked out. One move we're hoping for is an increased role for rookie RB Andre Ellington. He makes plays when he's on the field and is a threat to score every time he touches the ball.
Did not see this on Rotoworld, so this could be flying under the radar. Is it time to get serious and find roster room to stash this guy? Anyone who has seen the games - can you attest that Ellington looks good and Mendy and the other guy don't?
ARI - Bruce Arians not happy with offense
Source: AZCardinals.com - Darren Urban
Arizona Cardinals head coach Bruce Arians called his offense 'putrid' in their Week 4 win over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Arians is shocked at how long it has taken his team to pick up the offensive playbook. 'I haven't seen it take this long ever,' he said. Arizona has converted just two of 21 third downs in their two victories this year. The issues have been linked to dropped passes, bad throws, poor protection and poorly run routes.
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We could see some shake ups in the Cardinals offense if they don't get things worked out. One move we're hoping for is an increased role for rookie RB Andre Ellington. He makes plays when he's on the field and is a threat to score every time he touches the ball.
Did not see this on Rotoworld, so this could be flying under the radar. Is it time to get serious and find roster room to stash this guy? Anyone who has seen the games - can you attest that Ellington looks good and Mendy and the other guy don't?
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
I've watched a couple of games. Ellington looks like lightning in a bottle. But he's all or nothing. His rush attempts will go something like 2,2,3,25,1. Any Cardinals homers have insight into his pass blocking? Could that be holding him back from more time?
cubbie5150
Footballguy
Bought him cheap after week 2 in a 12 team redraft, .5 PPR. Minimum blind bid where there is no waiver wire. I've owned Mendy before, & have been counting on him giving way to someone. With the JAG vibes I'm getting from the other RBs on the AZ roster, I figure Ellington is the only chance for a home run
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Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Would certainly add him if you can, especially in PPR. He was rostered in my dynasty league already, but I now have him in a couple of redrafts. FWIW I dropped Pierre Thomas for him.
NajehHejan
Footballguy
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Yeah, sure..updates..
Ellington actually saw his lowest snap count (20%) last week and Mendy saw his highest (66%). Smith was a non-factor, seeing his lowest (3%).
That being said, Ellington did have his highest utilization total (10) of the year which is likely the most important statistic.
Playing time aside, Smith became a non-factor and Mendy fumbled twice and dropped a pass amongst other things. All the while, Ellginton's usage has been trending upwards. Good signs, good signs.
EDIT: Ellington saw 11% of the snaps week 1 so last week wasn't his lowest snap count percentage.
Ellington actually saw his lowest snap count (20%) last week and Mendy saw his highest (66%). Smith was a non-factor, seeing his lowest (3%).
That being said, Ellington did have his highest utilization total (10) of the year which is likely the most important statistic.
Playing time aside, Smith became a non-factor and Mendy fumbled twice and dropped a pass amongst other things. All the while, Ellginton's usage has been trending upwards. Good signs, good signs.
EDIT: Ellington saw 11% of the snaps week 1 so last week wasn't his lowest snap count percentage.
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DoubleG
Footballguy
I don't understand how the comments of "dropped passes, bad throws, poorly run routes and bad protection" = time to check out a new RB. All of those complaints seem to be in regards to the passing game. Don't get me wrong - Mendenhall and his 3.4 YPC is quite obviously doing a poor job himself, but the commentary doesn't seem to matchup with the complaint.
On the other side of the coin, Ellington does seem to be doing well for himself when actually given the opportunity. The question is, how long will Arians support Mendenhall, whom he basically was calling the unquestioned starter from virtually day 1 - and who he seems to want to feed the ball to?
On the other side of the coin, Ellington does seem to be doing well for himself when actually given the opportunity. The question is, how long will Arians support Mendenhall, whom he basically was calling the unquestioned starter from virtually day 1 - and who he seems to want to feed the ball to?
zamboni
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Can he be an every down back, a darren sproels, or do we think just a 3rd down kind of guy?
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Arians seems to believe that Ellington can be a three down back. He's clearly a bit undersized (not your prototypical between the tackles runner) but he also doesn't look like a COP back to me either. To me personally, he comes off as a Jamaal Charles type lacking a 2nd gear.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Got him in a couple leagues, but I've been trying desperately to get him in my main league for the last 2 weeks, and just can't without giving up a very valuable asset. MJD and Bowe offers got laughed at.
I used to call'em scat backs, but these are the sort of guys that win leagues now.
Undersized, explosive guys that can catch and have one or more bigger backs in front of them. Worst case scenario is they go catch 4-5 passes and outperform 75% of starters. Then one day the coach gets wise and decides to put the ball in his hands 20 times a game, and you've got a 1st round pick.
I used to call'em scat backs, but these are the sort of guys that win leagues now.
Undersized, explosive guys that can catch and have one or more bigger backs in front of them. Worst case scenario is they go catch 4-5 passes and outperform 75% of starters. Then one day the coach gets wise and decides to put the ball in his hands 20 times a game, and you've got a 1st round pick.
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eric rymer
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FantasyTrader
Footballguy
My expectations continue to climb with this guy. I'm no BMI guru, but at 5'9" 199 this guy is thick.
00:16 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1bK-yP2dCg
He could become much more than a 3rd down back.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Tried to deal for him in my dynasty league, but no luck. Have him in a few redrafts - I think he's going to get much more involved real soon.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Saw him play at the Superdome, looked great.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
Blew a lot of my budget on waivers today, grabbed Woods ($17), Jeffery ($15) and Ellington ($6). Figured anyone paying attention would throw a few bucks at Ellington but I was the only bidder. I don't think anyone in the league is a FBG.
Just stands to reason that the guy making the plays will continue to earn more reps and hopefully take over at some point.
Just stands to reason that the guy making the plays will continue to earn more reps and hopefully take over at some point.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
I think he is worth rostering IF you realize it may be several weeks before you have a playable RB (unless you have horrendous bye/injury problems in a PPR league) - Cardinals next four games are VERY tough - Carolina; @49ers; and SEA. Then they get the Falcons at home in Week 8 which would be fine and are on Bye in Week 9.
Picked him up several weeks ago in FBGPC and FFWC leagues and one other redraft league.
Long gone in keeper/dynasty leagues
Picked him up several weeks ago in FBGPC and FFWC leagues and one other redraft league.
Long gone in keeper/dynasty leagues
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
Which is why I'm thinking Ellington is a better 2nd half of the season option. @49ers and vsSea, should put some distance between the Cardinals and their playoff hopes. Further removed from contention the Cards become = probably more opportunity for Ellington.
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
Careful with this line of thought. With Ellington's style, he could post monster stats against any given opponent. Even with a poor matchup, it only takes one or two plays for you to be priced out of being able to roster him. But if you have more immediate needs, I guess that's the chance you have to take.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ePa4S3DT9QM
kent somers currently doing a live chat
some ellington talk at about 7 min
and 14:20
http://www.azcentral.com/live/?event=kentmac-livechat-100313
this is the live link
kent somers currently doing a live chat
some ellington talk at about 7 min
and 14:20
http://www.azcentral.com/live/?event=kentmac-livechat-100313
this is the live link
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Updates?
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
Koya
Footballguy
Bobbyn2022
Footballguy
I'm thinking if dropping micheal Christine for Ellington? Smart move?
My Rbs
Spiller
Wilson
Moreno
Bell
Christine
Do I drop any of these guys for Ellington?
My Rbs
Spiller
Wilson
Moreno
Bell
Christine
Do I drop any of these guys for Ellington?
Bobbyn2022
Footballguy
I'm thinking if dropping micheal Christine for Ellington? Smart move?
My Rbs
Spiller
Wilson
Moreno
Bell
Christine
Do I drop any of these guys for Ellington?
My Rbs
Spiller
Wilson
Moreno
Bell
Christine
Do I drop any of these guys for Ellington?
Banger
Footballguy
i'd drop Christine for him in a heartbeat. I think he's a week or two from being the starter. One more dud from Mendy and he's done IMO. He was already put on notice last week and it's not like they have some long time allegance to him.
omally
Footballguy
I think there is a small allegiance to him being that Arians was his OC in Pittsburgh for a few years, and wanted him in AZ. He did give him a heads up that he needs to do better, and I do think Arians will make a change if Mendenhall doesn't improve. I think it will be hard for any RB to run behind that line, but Mendenhall made some mistakes that veteran RBs shouldn't be making.
Banger
Footballguy
agreed that there is a relationship there but if a guy is fumbling, and running for a couple ypc less and making mental mistakes like running out of bounds when you are trying to kill the clock your rope is going to get shorter and shorter. I think if Ellington goes out again this weekend and again shows a lot more explosion and playmaking ability we may have a changing of the guard. Now I don't think there's necessarily tremendous upside but who knows....always better to have a starter than not. Also, he's a young guy and for keeper/dyno leagues, etc. he may end up carving out a role for himself in the longer term.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Trading Brown and the comments overtly made about Mendy could signal a change in AZ IMO.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Bobbyn2022
Footballguy
Yes it's a keeper league. That's why I'm having a such a hard time deciding, if it was just this year then Christine wouldn't even be on my team but its a 4 year keeper league. I realllllly want Ellington. What I was thinking was IR spiller because he was questionable so I get to pick up a RB the RB I was gonna pick up was A.Brown and then when the week was over I was gonna IR brown and take Spiller off IR. I might just say forget about Brown and pick up Ellington and maybe by next week have a better idea on Ellington? Possibly drop Bell.
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
As high as I am on Ellington, Christine will be a bonafide stud when he gets his shot. I would not let go of something like that in dynasty.
Ellington's path to playing time may be shorter/more clear right now but there are less question marks surrounding Christine in the long run.
Ellington's path to playing time may be shorter/more clear right now but there are less question marks surrounding Christine in the long run.
Bobbyn2022
Footballguy
After watching video last night on both players I def like Christine more. If I drop anyone it would be BELL but if Bush goes down he's gold. Not sure a out ARZ O-Line. Doesn't seem to matter who runs in ARZ the always suck. Man I wish there was a way to have both guys. Hate how my league only allows 5 total Rbs.
