Andre Ellington - RB - Clemson. (3 Viewers)

[zamboni]

Having a hard time putting him in my lineup. Have to choose two out of Ellington/L'Veon Bell/Mike James.....he is the odd man out right now, but mostly because I like the potential of James on MNF and Bell seems pretty sure to get 15-18 touches.

James for sure. Le'Veon is the safe play - I'd probably bench Ellington UNLESS I figured I needed some unexpected pts. vs. my opponent this week.

Thing about Bell though is that he will get looks on the goal line. That could easily add a couple TDs to an otherwise medicore day.

That's my biggest concern. May take another long run for Ellington to get in the end zone - if the Cards are near the goal line, have to assume that Mendy will be getting the rock.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Starting Ellington with confidence. Along with Reggie Bush and Lamar Miller (redraft) and Lamar Miller and Pierre Thomas (dynasty). Trent Richardson is firmly on the bench now in both leagues. Sheesh what a nightmare he has been. And Donald Brown...shows he is the better runner so far.....I am not in denial.

Coaching absurdity reigns if Mendy continues to get fed for 13 carries and 40 yards.

I expect Ellington to again show why he should be the lead dog in Arizona. And it does not have to be a monster performance....just show how he can get chunk yardage, catch the ball...make things happen....while a washed up Mendy plods for 3 yards.

Sounds so familiar (Lamar Miller vs Daniel Thomas).

yes agreed but this situation is worse, cuz at least daniel thomas is young and decent and has some legs. Mendy is like worn old dirty underwear and Ellington is like a fresh pair of White NIKE socks...... ##### so cold. Hopefully arians gets his head out of his A##

Thomas is four months younger than Mendenhall, has roughly a quarter of the total career YFS, and is .4 worse in career YPC. Doesn't look better from where I'm sitting. Mendenhall is nothing special at all, obviously. But he's a much better RB than is Daniel Thomas.

 

[T with T]

Starting Ellington with confidence. Along with Reggie Bush and Lamar Miller (redraft) and Lamar Miller and Pierre Thomas (dynasty). Trent Richardson is firmly on the bench now in both leagues. Sheesh what a nightmare he has been. And Donald Brown...shows he is the better runner so far.....I am not in denial.

Coaching absurdity reigns if Mendy continues to get fed for 13 carries and 40 yards.

I expect Ellington to again show why he should be the lead dog in Arizona. And it does not have to be a monster performance....just show how he can get chunk yardage, catch the ball...make things happen....while a washed up Mendy plods for 3 yards.

Sounds so familiar (Lamar Miller vs Daniel Thomas).

yes agreed but this situation is worse, cuz at least daniel thomas is young and decent and has some legs. Mendy is like worn old dirty underwear and Ellington is like a fresh pair of White NIKE socks...... ##### so cold. Hopefully arians gets his head out of his A##

Thomas is four months younger than Mendenhall, has roughly a quarter of the total career YFS, and is .4 worse in career YPC. Doesn't look better from where I'm sitting. Mendenhall is nothing special at all, obviously. But he's a much better RB than is Daniel Thomas.

ok I can give you he has had a better career, mendy way more miles and more of a plodder.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Having a hard time putting him in my lineup. Have to choose two out of Ellington/L'Veon Bell/Mike James.....he is the odd man out right now, but mostly because I like the potential of James on MNF and Bell seems pretty sure to get 15-18 touches.

James for sure. Le'Veon is the safe play - I'd probably bench Ellington UNLESS I figured I needed some unexpected pts. vs. my opponent this week.

Thing about Bell though is that he will get looks on the goal line. That could easily add a couple TDs to an otherwise medicore day.

Good post. Ellington has to earn his. Le'Veon could easily score 12FP from inside the 5 doing little more than being along for the ride.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Starting Ellington with confidence. Along with Reggie Bush and Lamar Miller (redraft) and Lamar Miller and Pierre Thomas (dynasty). Trent Richardson is firmly on the bench now in both leagues. Sheesh what a nightmare he has been. And Donald Brown...shows he is the better runner so far.....I am not in denial.

Coaching absurdity reigns if Mendy continues to get fed for 13 carries and 40 yards.

I expect Ellington to again show why he should be the lead dog in Arizona. And it does not have to be a monster performance....just show how he can get chunk yardage, catch the ball...make things happen....while a washed up Mendy plods for 3 yards.

Sounds so familiar (Lamar Miller vs Daniel Thomas).

yes agreed but this situation is worse, cuz at least daniel thomas is young and decent and has some legs. Mendy is like worn old dirty underwear and Ellington is like a fresh pair of White NIKE socks...... ##### so cold. Hopefully arians gets his head out of his A##

Thomas is four months younger than Mendenhall, has roughly a quarter of the total career YFS, and is .4 worse in career YPC. Doesn't look better from where I'm sitting. Mendenhall is nothing special at all, obviously. But he's a much better RB than is Daniel Thomas.

ok I can give you he has had a better career, mendy way more miles and more of a plodder.

Again, just not factual.

Mendenhall is actually fast for his size (4.41 40); his problem is limited lateral movement and vision. He's great when he gets a big seam and can just explode into it and through defenders. When asked to create on his own, as he pretty much is right now d/t the Cards' horrendous offensive line, he blows goats. He's a "get what's blocked" runner. In the right situation, behind a decent line, Mendenhall can be a non-difference making, but solid, 1000 yard rusher.

Daniel Thomas is a true plodder (4,62 40). He has less mileage because he's never been good enough to command a significant number of touches -- that's certainly not a net positive. Thomas is pretty much a proven turd. He's flat out never going to be more than the lesser, power part of a committee.

 

[Goooals]

In a non-ppr......its hard to start Ellington at this point with the limited touches he has.

 

[Banger]

Starting Ellington with confidence. Along with Reggie Bush and Lamar Miller (redraft) and Lamar Miller and Pierre Thomas (dynasty). Trent Richardson is firmly on the bench now in both leagues. Sheesh what a nightmare he has been. And Donald Brown...shows he is the better runner so far.....I am not in denial.

Coaching absurdity reigns if Mendy continues to get fed for 13 carries and 40 yards.

I expect Ellington to again show why he should be the lead dog in Arizona. And it does not have to be a monster performance....just show how he can get chunk yardage, catch the ball...make things happen....while a washed up Mendy plods for 3 yards.

Sounds so familiar (Lamar Miller vs Daniel Thomas).

yes agreed but this situation is worse, cuz at least daniel thomas is young and decent and has some legs. Mendy is like worn old dirty underwear and Ellington is like a fresh pair of White NIKE socks...... ##### so cold. Hopefully arians gets his head out of his A##

Thomas is four months younger than Mendenhall, has roughly a quarter of the total career YFS, and is .4 worse in career YPC. Doesn't look better from where I'm sitting. Mendenhall is nothing special at all, obviously. But he's a much better RB than is Daniel Thomas.

ok I can give you he has had a better career, mendy way more miles and more of a plodder.

Again, just not factual.

Mendenhall is actually fast for his size (4.41 40); his problem is limited lateral movement and vision. He's great when he gets a big seam and can just explode into it and through defenders. When asked to create on his own, as he pretty much is right now d/t the Cards' horrendous offensive line, he blows goats. He's a "get what's blocked" runner. In the right situation, behind a decent line, Mendenhall can be a non-difference making, but solid, 1000 yard rusher.

Daniel Thomas is a true plodder (4,62 40). He has less mileage because he's never been good enough to command a significant number of touches -- that's certainly not a net positive. Thomas is pretty much a proven turd. He's flat out never going to be more than the lesser, power part of a committee.

when was that 40 time taken?

 

[FantasyTrader]

Starting Ellington with confidence. Along with Reggie Bush and Lamar Miller (redraft) and Lamar Miller and Pierre Thomas (dynasty). Trent Richardson is firmly on the bench now in both leagues. Sheesh what a nightmare he has been. And Donald Brown...shows he is the better runner so far.....I am not in denial.

Coaching absurdity reigns if Mendy continues to get fed for 13 carries and 40 yards.

I expect Ellington to again show why he should be the lead dog in Arizona. And it does not have to be a monster performance....just show how he can get chunk yardage, catch the ball...make things happen....while a washed up Mendy plods for 3 yards.

Sounds so familiar (Lamar Miller vs Daniel Thomas).

yes agreed but this situation is worse, cuz at least daniel thomas is young and decent and has some legs. Mendy is like worn old dirty underwear and Ellington is like a fresh pair of White NIKE socks...... ##### so cold. Hopefully arians gets his head out of his A##

Thomas is four months younger than Mendenhall, has roughly a quarter of the total career YFS, and is .4 worse in career YPC. Doesn't look better from where I'm sitting. Mendenhall is nothing special at all, obviously. But he's a much better RB than is Daniel Thomas.

ok I can give you he has had a better career, mendy way more miles and more of a plodder.

Again, just not factual.

Mendenhall is actually fast for his size (4.41 40); his problem is limited lateral movement and vision. He's great when he gets a big seam and can just explode into it and through defenders. When asked to create on his own, as he pretty much is right now d/t the Cards' horrendous offensive line, he blows goats. He's a "get what's blocked" runner. In the right situation, behind a decent line, Mendenhall can be a non-difference making, but solid, 1000 yard rusher.

Daniel Thomas is a true plodder (4,62 40). He has less mileage because he's never been good enough to command a significant number of touches -- that's certainly not a net positive. Thomas is pretty much a proven turd. He's flat out never going to be more than the lesser, power part of a committee.

This is why it's difficult to take you seriously. The day Mendenhall runs a 4.41 40 (now, not back when he was in college) is the day I can take Kobe to the rack.

 

[cvnpoka]

So Mendenhall looks like he's back this week and Arians seems committed to sticking with Mendy as the starter.

Have to think Ellington will still get a decent size of the pie, but anyone starting him this week? And if so, over whom?

starting in standard league over waive wire wr du jour. baldwin, jennings, simpson, etc.

 

[Da Gildz]

In a non-ppr......its hard to start Ellington at this point with the limited touches he has.

This. Pretty similar to Gio's role. People say how can u sit Gio after his best game of the year??! Well, tougher matchup and he needs to score to put up a decent #. in standard leagues at least...Very startable in PPR's for both tho

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Starting Ellington with confidence. Along with Reggie Bush and Lamar Miller (redraft) and Lamar Miller and Pierre Thomas (dynasty). Trent Richardson is firmly on the bench now in both leagues. Sheesh what a nightmare he has been. And Donald Brown...shows he is the better runner so far.....I am not in denial.

Coaching absurdity reigns if Mendy continues to get fed for 13 carries and 40 yards.

I expect Ellington to again show why he should be the lead dog in Arizona. And it does not have to be a monster performance....just show how he can get chunk yardage, catch the ball...make things happen....while a washed up Mendy plods for 3 yards.

Sounds so familiar (Lamar Miller vs Daniel Thomas).

yes agreed but this situation is worse, cuz at least daniel thomas is young and decent and has some legs. Mendy is like worn old dirty underwear and Ellington is like a fresh pair of White NIKE socks...... ##### so cold. Hopefully arians gets his head out of his A##

Thomas is four months younger than Mendenhall, has roughly a quarter of the total career YFS, and is .4 worse in career YPC. Doesn't look better from where I'm sitting. Mendenhall is nothing special at all, obviously. But he's a much better RB than is Daniel Thomas.

ok I can give you he has had a better career, mendy way more miles and more of a plodder.

Again, just not factual.Mendenhall is actually fast for his size (4.41 40); his problem is limited lateral movement and vision. He's great when he gets a big seam and can just explode into it and through defenders. When asked to create on his own, as he pretty much is right now d/t the Cards' horrendous offensive line, he blows goats. He's a "get what's blocked" runner. In the right situation, behind a decent line, Mendenhall can be a non-difference making, but solid, 1000 yard rusher.

Daniel Thomas is a true plodder (4,62 40). He has less mileage because he's never been good enough to command a significant number of touches -- that's certainly not a net positive. Thomas is pretty much a proven turd. He's flat out never going to be more than the lesser, power part of a committee.

This is why it's difficult to take you seriously. The day Mendenhall runs a 4.41 40 (now, not back when he was in college) is the day I can take Kobe to the rack.

So he's slower than Daniel freaking Thomas? Come on, I get that you love Ellington, and that's fine, and I agree that Ellington is waaaaaaay more dynamic than Mendenhall, but that doesn't make Daniel Thomas less of a steaming dog turd.

 

[blake]

In a non-ppr......its hard to start Ellington at this point with the limited touches he has.

Heck, even in a PPR league, it is hard to start Ellington.

 

[cvnpoka]

In a non-ppr......its hard to start Ellington at this point with the limited touches he has.

This. Pretty similar to Gio's role. People say how can u sit Gio after his best game of the year??! Well, tougher matchup and he needs to score to put up a decent #. in standard leagues at least...Very startable in PPR's for both tho

gio has the 11th most rb pts my standard league. by average hes like 15th per week. if you havent been starting him you are likely leaking points.

 

[Da Gildz]

Gio's 14th in my league but come on, he's been c

BOOM or BUST. 4 awesome games , 5 poor/terrible games. He's averaged about 5 Pts/game in those down games. Standard scoring. So lets not think he's an automatic start any week really.

 

[LuckyOne]

Coach speak is coach speak. The Cardinals are 4-4 and still have a chance at the playoffs. 3 of their losses were to NO, SEA, SF. Their schedule isn't too tough for the next 6 weeks (although IND is in there). It seems to reason that Ellington will see more touches going forward as he gives the team the best chance to win. Of course, they will mix it up to keep him fresh and it should be a RBBC, but given he's ability he should be able to produce RB 2 numbers with a larger workload. In short, I'm under no delusion that he is a feature back, but I feel he will be a RB 2 going forward with a possibility to be a low RB 1 in PPR.

 

[brokemack]

Gio's 14th in my league but come on, he's been c

BOOM or BUST. 4 awesome games , 5 poor/terrible games. He's averaged about 5 Pts/game in those down games. Standard scoring. So lets not think he's an automatic start any week really.

I'll probably start Ellington over Gio this week in a .5 PPR for this reason. Gio has bombed in pretty much every tough matchup he's faced. He's great there's not much to separate him from Ellington fantasy-wise other than playing behind a better line, which counts for a lot but doesn't make up for the limited touches.

 

[rickyg]

Am I missing something here? Ellington just broke out big time 2 weeks ago before his bye, he's going against a porous Houston run defense, and the only thing stopping him from greatness is mendenhall, who SUCKS and isn't even at 100%. Plus, you've got Arians who, while claiming that mendy is still his starter and early down back, has stated he wants to get Ellington more touches moving forward.

Before mendy missed a game Ellington was already consistently putting up pretty decent flex numbers even in non ppr.

Does anyone really think that his role won't expand from that? I think it will be a much more even time share. I envision Ellington getting 10-12 carries and 4-5 catches per game moving forward which would give him the opportunity to be a very high end flex play.

He ran for 150 yards on 15 carriers 2 weeks ago...this kid doesn't need much to produce like a stud.

I just don't see where all of the skepticism is coming from.

He is locked and loaded in my flex over Baldwin, Andre brown, James jones...with confidence.

 

[Insein]

Am I missing something here? Ellington just broke out big time 2 weeks ago before his bye, he's going against a porous Houston run defense, and the only thing stopping him from greatness is mendenhall, who SUCKS and isn't even at 100%. Plus, you've got Arians who, while claiming that mendy is still his starter and early down back, has stated he wants to get Ellington more touches moving forward.

Before mendy missed a game Ellington was already consistently putting up pretty decent flex numbers even in non ppr.

Does anyone really think that his role won't expand from that? I think it will be a much more even time share. I envision Ellington getting 10-12 carries and 4-5 catches per game moving forward which would give him the opportunity to be a very high end flex play.

He ran for 150 yards on 15 carriers 2 weeks ago...this kid doesn't need much to produce like a stud.

I just don't see where all of the skepticism is coming from.

He is locked and loaded in my flex over Baldwin, Andre brown, James jones...with confidence.

Bruce Arians

That's where the skepticism comes from. He had been producing better than Mendy all year and only last game when Mendenhall was out did he get a significant amount of carries. So people will remain cautious until Arians proves it with his actions that Ellington is going to be more involved.

 

[rickyg]

Am I missing something here? Ellington just broke out big time 2 weeks ago before his bye, he's going against a porous Houston run defense, and the only thing stopping him from greatness is mendenhall, who SUCKS and isn't even at 100%. Plus, you've got Arians who, while claiming that mendy is still his starter and early down back, has stated he wants to get Ellington more touches moving forward.

Before mendy missed a game Ellington was already consistently putting up pretty decent flex numbers even in non ppr.

Does anyone really think that his role won't expand from that? I think it will be a much more even time share. I envision Ellington getting 10-12 carries and 4-5 catches per game moving forward which would give him the opportunity to be a very high end flex play.

He ran for 150 yards on 15 carriers 2 weeks ago...this kid doesn't need much to produce like a stud.

I just don't see where all of the skepticism is coming from.

He is locked and loaded in my flex over Baldwin, Andre brown, James jones...with confidence.

Bruce Arians

That's where the skepticism comes from. He had been producing better than Mendy all year and only last game when Mendenhall was out did he get a significant amount of carries. So people will remain cautious until Arians proves it with his actions that Ellington is going to be more involved.

I hear you, but the cat is out of the bag on Ellington. He broke out. He's averaging 7.7 ypc in the year. The kid is the next Cj spiller. Except mendy is no fjax. Arians is dumb but not that dumb. He's not goin to let ellington a role regress to irrelevance. His job depends on him putting the best players in the field that firm be him the best chance to win games.

Ellington is gonna get his this weekend.

 

[cubbie5150]

Am I missing something here? Ellington just broke out big time 2 weeks ago before his bye, he's going against a porous Houston run defense, and the only thing stopping him from greatness is mendenhall, who SUCKS and isn't even at 100%. Plus, you've got Arians who, while claiming that mendy is still his starter and early down back, has stated he wants to get Ellington more touches moving forward.

Before mendy missed a game Ellington was already consistently putting up pretty decent flex numbers even in non ppr.

Does anyone really think that his role won't expand from that? I think it will be a much more even time share. I envision Ellington getting 10-12 carries and 4-5 catches per game moving forward which would give him the opportunity to be a very high end flex play.

He ran for 150 yards on 15 carriers 2 weeks ago...this kid doesn't need much to produce like a stud.

I just don't see where all of the skepticism is coming from.

He is locked and loaded in my flex over Baldwin, Andre brown, James jones...with confidence.

Bruce Arians

That's where the skepticism comes from. He had been producing better than Mendy all year and only last game when Mendenhall was out did he get a significant amount of carries. So people will remain cautious until Arians proves it with his actions that Ellington is going to be more involved.

I hear you, but the cat is out of the bag on Ellington. He broke out. He's averaging 7.7 ypc in the year. The kid is the next Cj spiller. Except mendy is no fjax. Arians is dumb but not that dumb. He's not goin to let ellington a role regress to irrelevance. His job depends on him putting the best players in the field that firm be him the best chance to win games.

Ellington is gonna get his this weekend.

Coaches do stupid, inexplicable things. Constantly. Well, the same can be said of people in general too. With that said, I have to believe in the very least, Ellington will maintain 10-12 touches/game.

 

[T with T]

Starting Ellington with confidence. Along with Reggie Bush and Lamar Miller (redraft) and Lamar Miller and Pierre Thomas (dynasty). Trent Richardson is firmly on the bench now in both leagues. Sheesh what a nightmare he has been. And Donald Brown...shows he is the better runner so far.....I am not in denial.

Coaching absurdity reigns if Mendy continues to get fed for 13 carries and 40 yards.

I expect Ellington to again show why he should be the lead dog in Arizona. And it does not have to be a monster performance....just show how he can get chunk yardage, catch the ball...make things happen....while a washed up Mendy plods for 3 yards.

Sounds so familiar (Lamar Miller vs Daniel Thomas).

yes agreed but this situation is worse, cuz at least daniel thomas is young and decent and has some legs. Mendy is like worn old dirty underwear and Ellington is like a fresh pair of White NIKE socks...... ##### so cold. Hopefully arians gets his head out of his A##

Thomas is four months younger than Mendenhall, has roughly a quarter of the total career YFS, and is .4 worse in career YPC. Doesn't look better from where I'm sitting. Mendenhall is nothing special at all, obviously. But he's a much better RB than is Daniel Thomas.

ok I can give you he has had a better career, mendy way more miles and more of a plodder.

Again, just not factual.

Mendenhall is actually fast for his size (4.41 40); his problem is limited lateral movement and vision. He's great when he gets a big seam and can just explode into it and through defenders. When asked to create on his own, as he pretty much is right now d/t the Cards' horrendous offensive line, he blows goats. He's a "get what's blocked" runner. In the right situation, behind a decent line, Mendenhall can be a non-difference making, but solid, 1000 yard rusher.

Daniel Thomas is a true plodder (4,62 40). He has less mileage because he's never been good enough to command a significant number of touches -- that's certainly not a net positive. Thomas is pretty much a proven turd. He's flat out never going to be more than the lesser, power part of a committee.

This is why it's difficult to take you seriously. The day Mendenhall runs a 4.41 40 (now, not back when he was in college) is the day I can take Kobe to the rack.

ya lol I was thinking same thing, When has Mendy ran a 4.41 LOL, surely not now as he is slow as molasses couer de lion is ######ed if he believes that ! gosh this guy is funny.

 

[T with T]

Coach speak is coach speak. The Cardinals are 4-4 and still have a chance at the playoffs. 3 of their losses were to NO, SEA, SF. Their schedule isn't too tough for the next 6 weeks (although IND is in there). It seems to reason that Ellington will see more touches going forward as he gives the team the best chance to win. Of course, they will mix it up to keep him fresh and it should be a RBBC, but given he's ability he should be able to produce RB 2 numbers with a larger workload. In short, I'm under no delusion that he is a feature back, but I feel he will be a RB 2 going forward with a possibility to be a low RB 1 in PPR.

it's not like he was givin a ton of carries last week. He had 15 carries and S. taylor had 14. I see the workload staying the same just mendy taking Taylors carries. It would truly be a crime if Ellington doesn't see 13-18 touches from here on out. Almost criminal.

 

[Banger]

Hey I love the kids talent and absolutely 100% think he should get more carries but coaches are funny. I feared coughlin would do what he did with Wilson and I'm worried about Arians. Some of these old school guys are cut from a different cloth. I think there's a good chance he gets more touches but far from convinced.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Starting Ellington with confidence. Along with Reggie Bush and Lamar Miller (redraft) and Lamar Miller and Pierre Thomas (dynasty). Trent Richardson is firmly on the bench now in both leagues. Sheesh what a nightmare he has been. And Donald Brown...shows he is the better runner so far.....I am not in denial.

Coaching absurdity reigns if Mendy continues to get fed for 13 carries and 40 yards.

I expect Ellington to again show why he should be the lead dog in Arizona. And it does not have to be a monster performance....just show how he can get chunk yardage, catch the ball...make things happen....while a washed up Mendy plods for 3 yards.

Sounds so familiar (Lamar Miller vs Daniel Thomas).

yes agreed but this situation is worse, cuz at least daniel thomas is young and decent and has some legs. Mendy is like worn old dirty underwear and Ellington is like a fresh pair of White NIKE socks...... ##### so cold. Hopefully arians gets his head out of his A##

Thomas is four months younger than Mendenhall, has roughly a quarter of the total career YFS, and is .4 worse in career YPC. Doesn't look better from where I'm sitting. Mendenhall is nothing special at all, obviously. But he's a much better RB than is Daniel Thomas.

ok I can give you he has had a better career, mendy way more miles and more of a plodder.

Again, just not factual.Mendenhall is actually fast for his size (4.41 40); his problem is limited lateral movement and vision. He's great when he gets a big seam and can just explode into it and through defenders. When asked to create on his own, as he pretty much is right now d/t the Cards' horrendous offensive line, he blows goats. He's a "get what's blocked" runner. In the right situation, behind a decent line, Mendenhall can be a non-difference making, but solid, 1000 yard rusher.

Daniel Thomas is a true plodder (4,62 40). He has less mileage because he's never been good enough to command a significant number of touches -- that's certainly not a net positive. Thomas is pretty much a proven turd. He's flat out never going to be more than the lesser, power part of a committee.

This is why it's difficult to take you seriously. The day Mendenhall runs a 4.41 40 (now, not back when he was in college) is the day I can take Kobe to the rack.

So he's slower than Daniel freaking Thomas? Come on, I get that you love Ellington, and that's fine, and I agree that Ellington is waaaaaaay more dynamic than Mendenhall, but that doesn't make Daniel Thomas less of a steaming dog turd.

No you misunderstood. Thomas = steaming dog turd (we agree). You quoting Mendenhall's recorded 40 time and representing it as though he's still that RB is why it's difficult to take you seriously.

 

[T with T]

Starting Ellington with confidence. Along with Reggie Bush and Lamar Miller (redraft) and Lamar Miller and Pierre Thomas (dynasty). Trent Richardson is firmly on the bench now in both leagues. Sheesh what a nightmare he has been. And Donald Brown...shows he is the better runner so far.....I am not in denial.

Coaching absurdity reigns if Mendy continues to get fed for 13 carries and 40 yards.

I expect Ellington to again show why he should be the lead dog in Arizona. And it does not have to be a monster performance....just show how he can get chunk yardage, catch the ball...make things happen....while a washed up Mendy plods for 3 yards.

Sounds so familiar (Lamar Miller vs Daniel Thomas).

yes agreed but this situation is worse, cuz at least daniel thomas is young and decent and has some legs. Mendy is like worn old dirty underwear and Ellington is like a fresh pair of White NIKE socks...... ##### so cold. Hopefully arians gets his head out of his A##

Thomas is four months younger than Mendenhall, has roughly a quarter of the total career YFS, and is .4 worse in career YPC. Doesn't look better from where I'm sitting. Mendenhall is nothing special at all, obviously. But he's a much better RB than is Daniel Thomas.

ok I can give you he has had a better career, mendy way more miles and more of a plodder.

Again, just not factual.Mendenhall is actually fast for his size (4.41 40); his problem is limited lateral movement and vision. He's great when he gets a big seam and can just explode into it and through defenders. When asked to create on his own, as he pretty much is right now d/t the Cards' horrendous offensive line, he blows goats. He's a "get what's blocked" runner. In the right situation, behind a decent line, Mendenhall can be a non-difference making, but solid, 1000 yard rusher.

Daniel Thomas is a true plodder (4,62 40). He has less mileage because he's never been good enough to command a significant number of touches -- that's certainly not a net positive. Thomas is pretty much a proven turd. He's flat out never going to be more than the lesser, power part of a committee.

This is why it's difficult to take you seriously. The day Mendenhall runs a 4.41 40 (now, not back when he was in college) is the day I can take Kobe to the rack.

So he's slower than Daniel freaking Thomas? Come on, I get that you love Ellington, and that's fine, and I agree that Ellington is waaaaaaay more dynamic than Mendenhall, but that doesn't make Daniel Thomas less of a steaming dog turd.

No you misunderstood. Thomas = steaming dog turd (we agree). You quoting Mendenhall's recorded 40 time and representing it as though he's still that RB is why it's difficult to take you seriously.

 

[Bobby Guano]

Am I missing something here? Ellington just broke out big time 2 weeks ago before his bye, he's going against a porous Houston run defense, and the only thing stopping him from greatness is mendenhall, who SUCKS and isn't even at 100%. Plus, you've got Arians who, while claiming that mendy is still his starter and early down back, has stated he wants to get Ellington more touches moving forward.

Before mendy missed a game Ellington was already consistently putting up pretty decent flex numbers even in non ppr.

Does anyone really think that his role won't expand from that? I think it will be a much more even time share. I envision Ellington getting 10-12 carries and 4-5 catches per game moving forward which would give him the opportunity to be a very high end flex play.

He ran for 150 yards on 15 carriers 2 weeks ago...this kid doesn't need much to produce like a stud.

I just don't see where all of the skepticism is coming from.

He is locked and loaded in my flex over Baldwin, Andre brown, James jones...with confidence.

Bruce Arians

That's where the skepticism comes from. He had been producing better than Mendy all year and only last game when Mendenhall was out did he get a significant amount of carries. So people will remain cautious until Arians proves it with his actions that Ellington is going to be more involved.

I hear you, but the cat is out of the bag on Ellington. He broke out. He's averaging 7.7 ypc in the year. The kid is the next Cj spiller. Except mendy is no fjax. Arians is dumb but not that dumb. He's not goin to let ellington a role regress to irrelevance. His job depends on him putting the best players in the field that firm be him the best chance to win games.

Ellington is gonna get his this weekend and the rest of this season.

Fixed it for you.

Agreed, even if he is only getting around 15 touches going forward he will still put up at least few more monster games this year and will be productive enough when he doesn't score to be worth the start.

 

[rickyg]

Am I missing something here? Ellington just broke out big time 2 weeks ago before his bye, he's going against a porous Houston run defense, and the only thing stopping him from greatness is mendenhall, who SUCKS and isn't even at 100%. Plus, you've got Arians who, while claiming that mendy is still his starter and early down back, has stated he wants to get Ellington more touches moving forward.

Before mendy missed a game Ellington was already consistently putting up pretty decent flex numbers even in non ppr.

Does anyone really think that his role won't expand from that? I think it will be a much more even time share. I envision Ellington getting 10-12 carries and 4-5 catches per game moving forward which would give him the opportunity to be a very high end flex play.

He ran for 150 yards on 15 carriers 2 weeks ago...this kid doesn't need much to produce like a stud.

I just don't see where all of the skepticism is coming from.

He is locked and loaded in my flex over Baldwin, Andre brown, James jones...with confidence.

Bruce Arians

That's where the skepticism comes from. He had been producing better than Mendy all year and only last game when Mendenhall was out did he get a significant amount of carries. So people will remain cautious until Arians proves it with his actions that Ellington is going to be more involved.

I hear you, but the cat is out of the bag on Ellington. He broke out. He's averaging 7.7 ypc in the year. The kid is the next Cj spiller. Except mendy is no fjax. Arians is dumb but not that dumb. He's not goin to let ellington a role regress to irrelevance. His job depends on him putting the best players in the field that firm be him the best chance to win games.Ellington is gonna get his this weekend and the rest of this season.

Fixed it for you.

Agreed, even if he is only getting around 15 touches going forward he will still put up at least few more monster games this year and will be productive enough when he doesn't score to be worth the start.

Thanks. Wish you could have fixed all my typos as well! Lol

 

[ldizzle]

this is reassuring:

rotoworld:

Andre Ellington - RB - Cardinals
Cardinals coach Bruce Arians "would like" to get Andre Ellington "around" 20 touches a game moving forward.
Arians said the "uptick" would be primarily on receptions, "to get Ellington into space." In other words, the Cards aren't going to feed Ellington with between-the-tackles carries. It's great news for Ellington's fantasy owners. In-space plays give the versatile, explosive rookie a better chance to break big plays, and limiting his inside running gives Ellington a better chance to stay healthy. Rashard Mendenhall will "start" in Week 10 against the Texans, but Ellington is going to handle the football more.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

How's that work?

One guy starts, cermoniously totes the rock a couple times, then takes a seat for the backup to get his 20 or so touches. Then maybe the starter comes back in to spell him late in the game?

 

[T with T]

this is reassuring:

rotoworld:

Andre Ellington - RB - Cardinals
Cardinals coach Bruce Arians "would like" to get Andre Ellington "around" 20 touches a game moving forward.
Arians said the "uptick" would be primarily on receptions, "to get Ellington into space." In other words, the Cards aren't going to feed Ellington with between-the-tackles carries. It's great news for Ellington's fantasy owners. In-space plays give the versatile, explosive rookie a better chance to break big plays, and limiting his inside running gives Ellington a better chance to stay healthy. Rashard Mendenhall will "start" in Week 10 against the Texans, but Ellington is going to handle the football more.

If he gets 20 touches I would be ecstatic. He only had 17 last week in his breakout .... If he gets 20 touches I don't give a #### who starts. You can start mendy and plod him 10-14 and still give Ellington 20 touches... Maybe he has seen the light fellas.

 

[T with T]

How's that work?

One guy starts, cermoniously totes the rock a couple times, then takes a seat for the backup to get his 20 or so touches. Then maybe the starter comes back in to spell him late in the game?

Yes I can see this guy being like woodhead in the passing game... I could see him put up wr numbers along with 10-14 carries per game. The future looks Beautiful my friends. For all of us Ellington owners who struck it with him and held on, this may be our chance to reap our reward. I could see him be a rb2 for a lot of championship teams this year..........

 

[Raiderfan32904]

So now Ellington is Woodhead part dux?

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

Woodhead with the extra bonus of about 40-50 rush yards thrown in plus the upside that he has the ability to break one from any point on the field. This would make him at minimum RB2 in any format and a top 10 back with top 5 upside in ppr. I still want to see it before I necessarily believe it but this week will be very telling for the ROS.

 

[ldizzle]

So now Ellington is Woodhead part dux?

could be better. the chargers have a ryan mathews who has be decent, the cards have mendy who is crap and has turf toe. we will see if they actually commit to ellington though...

if he can 15-20 touches, he will be a rb2 with rb1 upside

 

[fCheeze]

Per Arians, Ellington will get 20 touches per game.. If he really does get 20/week, he is a solid RB2 with RB1 upside.. I would raise him up he ranks, but still cannot start him over CJ and Lacy in 1 league...

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2013/11/08/the-touchy-subject-with-ellington/

 

[Koya]

Loving this. Honestly, for a number of reasons it's better to have him get 2-4 more recepts than even 5-8 more carries. For one, as noted, it gets him into space and he has a better chance to break one (or more) long. Second, for ppr/.5 ppr, thats an extra point or two in addition to the upside.

Let Mendy do the plodding. As noted, if it's 20 touches, 3-5 of which are receptions, how can you argue?

 

[rjv]

Sounds great, now I feel a bit better having him in my flex this week.

 

[FantasyTrader]

How's that work?

One guy starts, cermoniously totes the rock a couple times, then takes a seat for the backup to get his 20 or so touches. Then maybe the starter comes back in to spell him late in the game?

Now you're getting the idea.

 

[rjv]

How's that work?

One guy starts, cermoniously totes the rock a couple times, then takes a seat for the backup to get his 20 or so touches. Then maybe the starter comes back in to spell him late in the game?

Now you're getting the idea.

Bingo!!I think Arians found his medication in the cabinet, he is finally thinking clearly.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Per Arians, Ellington will get 20 touches per game.. If he really does get 20/week, he is a solid RB2 with RB1 upside.. I would raise him up he ranks, but still cannot start him over CJ and Lacy in 1 league...

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2013/11/08/the-touchy-subject-with-ellington/

If he REALLY gets 20 touches he is a solid RB1 with RB2 downside. To put it in perspective, 20 touches a game is 320/season pace. Adrian Peterson is on pace for 350. People may not realize that 20 a game puts you among the league's most worked RBs. If Arians sticks to his word he's conceding that Ellington is "the guy" (regardless of who runs the ball on the first carry of Arizona's first possession).

 

[Air Stich]

Per Arians, Ellington will get 20 touches per game.. If he really does get 20/week, he is a solid RB2 with RB1 upside.. I would raise him up he ranks, but still cannot start him over CJ and Lacy in 1 league...

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2013/11/08/the-touchy-subject-with-ellington/

If he REALLY gets 20 touches he is a solid RB1 with RB2 downside. To put it in perspective, 20 touches a game is 320/season pace. Adrian Peterson is on pace for 350. People may not realize that 20 a game puts you among the league's most worked RBs. If Arians sticks to his word he's conceding that Ellington is "the guy" (regardless of who runs the ball on the first carry of Arizona's first possession).

Yup. 20 is a great target that he does not need to hit to be a top 12 RB. He really only needs 15 touches a game to be a starter in all formats.

 

[rickyg]

I got a fever. And the only prescription....is more Ellington!

 

[VikingFrog]

But... But... But... If you cut out his one long TD run against the Falcons he's just a mediocre running back.

 

[Eagle Eye]

But... But... But... If you cut out his one long TD run against the Falcons he's just a mediocre running back.

Here we go....

 

[zamboni]

While Ellington's arrow is clearly headed up, I don't think you can call him a true RB1 unless he gets goal line carries. Can't rely on long TD runs every game.

 

[T with T]

It's good to hear he's finally going to get some significant work.

Makes no sense to keep giving it to old man Mendenhall when you have a young dynamic guy like Ellington on the team.

seems like the consensus.....

 

[T with T]

While Ellington's arrow is clearly headed up, I don't think you can call him a true RB1 unless he gets goal line carries. Can't rely on long TD runs every game.

I don't think that is neccessarily true given the fact he catches a ton of balls and he should get carries outside of the 2 yard line... He could have a bunch of 5,7,9, 12 yard tds... He may not get 1 yard tds yet.... but I think he will be a rb2 potential rb1 in ppr.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I don't buy 20 touches. I think Arians is full of it. My guess is he gets around 15 and after every game Arians says stuff like "we'll have to go back and look to see what we could have done to get him more touches" or "that's just how the game played out. We were in position to run Rashard a little bit more this week."

He'll always have an excuse for giving his boy Rashard more touches and limiting Ellington.

 

[LargeMouthBass]

People are gonna be let down by starting Ellington this week. Just my gut feeling.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I like the enthusiasm of the Ellington fan brigade, but Mendy sat on the waiver wire too long for me to ignore. I don't see him as Woodhead part dux. But I'll freely admit, I'd rather have Ellington.