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Andre Ellington - RB - Clemson. (3 Viewers)

Mendy looks like a giant tumble weed that moves slower than a paralyzed 3 toed sloth

Arians .. I hope your just waiting to unleash this guy.... he's a fantasy machine when its his time
locally I have heard they are intentionally limiting Andre's reps to keep him healthy and he still doesn't pass protect as well as mendenhall.Probably a good start in PPR leagues but his production isn't going to skyrocket from current production.

This was all part of a discussion as to why mendenhall is still the "starter".

 
Mendy looks like a giant tumble weed that moves slower than a paralyzed 3 toed sloth

Arians .. I hope your just waiting to unleash this guy.... he's a fantasy machine when its his time
locally I have heard they are intentionally limiting Andre's reps to keep him healthy and he still doesn't pass protect as well as mendenhall.Probably a good start in PPR leagues but his production isn't going to skyrocket from current production.

This was all part of a discussion as to why mendenhall is still the "starter".
The healthy part I get, the pass protection I do not. PFF has him rated significantly higher in pass protection then mendy.

 
I can't believe a word that comes out of ARI due to the fact that Arians is a flip flopper. Anything that comes out of his mouth when it pertains to Mendenhall and Ellington is far from the truth.

 
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Mendy looks like a giant tumble weed that moves slower than a paralyzed 3 toed sloth

Arians .. I hope your just waiting to unleash this guy.... he's a fantasy machine when its his time
locally I have heard they are intentionally limiting Andre's reps to keep him healthy and he still doesn't pass protect as well as mendenhall.Probably a good start in PPR leagues but his production isn't going to skyrocket from current production.

This was all part of a discussion as to why mendenhall is still the "starter".
The healthy part I get, the pass protection I do not. PFF has him rated significantly higher in pass protection then mendy.
Interesting. I always thought it was a foregone conclusion that the reason Mendy continues getting early down work is Ellington was still learning pass protection. Shocked he's measuring higher than Mendy. But that has to mean great things for his dynasty value A.B.A. (After Bruce Arians)

 
Mendy looks like a giant tumble weed that moves slower than a paralyzed 3 toed sloth

Arians .. I hope your just waiting to unleash this guy.... he's a fantasy machine when its his time
locally I have heard they are intentionally limiting Andre's reps to keep him healthy and he still doesn't pass protect as well as mendenhall.Probably a good start in PPR leagues but his production isn't going to skyrocket from current production.

This was all part of a discussion as to why mendenhall is still the "starter".
The healthy part I get, the pass protection I do not. PFF has him rated significantly higher in pass protection then mendy.
It's just another excuse for Arians to keep playing his boy Mendy. It doesn't matter if it holds any weight or not.

Last week showed us a lot. I really thought he was going to give Ellington more opportunities and keep him more involved in the offense but that wasn't the case at all. He was used to CAA(Cover Arians ###) and only got the playing time after Mendy failed and failed repeatedly. Its almost like Ellington only gets chances when Arians knows he absolutely has to get something going at that point in the game. Ok the offense has done nothing the last three series and now we are down by 7 better put Ellington in for this series. They proceed to move the ball and score then its right back to Mendy next series.

Also its disappointing how they use him in the passing game as well. No normal RB screens, no little WR type screens out in the flats to get him the ball quickly in situations where all he has to do is make one guy miss for a big gain. Most of the targets I have seen are long developing routs downfield or to the sidelines. He doesn't even get any dump off passes because he's not in on most obvious passing situations.

It's frustrating because we can see the potential...this dude is ####### lightning in a bottle every time he gets the ball. I want to play this guy because I could see him having a lot of 100+total yrd 2TD type games on only 12-15 touches but I just don't think he's being used properly and probably never will be used correctly by this coach. Sproles was criminally miss used in a very similar offensive scheme for years.

Arians obviously has some weird dude love bigger backs. Mendy will get every opportunity and then some, he will only turn to Ellington when he absolutely has too...

 
Mendy looks like a giant tumble weed that moves slower than a paralyzed 3 toed sloth

Arians .. I hope your just waiting to unleash this guy.... he's a fantasy machine when its his time
locally I have heard they are intentionally limiting Andre's reps to keep him healthy and he still doesn't pass protect as well as mendenhall.Probably a good start in PPR leagues but his production isn't going to skyrocket from current production.

This was all part of a discussion as to why mendenhall is still the "starter".
The healthy part I get, the pass protection I do not. PFF has him rated significantly higher in pass protection then mendy.
It's just another excuse for Arians to keep playing his boy Mendy. It doesn't matter if it holds any weight or not.

Last week showed us a lot. I really thought he was going to give Ellington more opportunities and keep him more involved in the offense but that wasn't the case at all. He was used to CAA(Cover Arians ###) and only got the playing time after Mendy failed and failed repeatedly. Its almost like Ellington only gets chances when Arians knows he absolutely has to get something going at that point in the game. Ok the offense has done nothing the last three series and now we are down by 7 better put Ellington in for this series. They proceed to move the ball and score then its right back to Mendy next series.

Also its disappointing how they use him in the passing game as well. No normal RB screens, no little WR type screens out in the flats to get him the ball quickly in situations where all he has to do is make one guy miss for a big gain. Most of the targets I have seen are long developing routs downfield or to the sidelines. He doesn't even get any dump off passes because he's not in on most obvious passing situations.

It's frustrating because we can see the potential...this dude is ####### lightning in a bottle every time he gets the ball. I want to play this guy because I could see him having a lot of 100+total yrd 2TD type games on only 12-15 touches but I just don't think he's being used properly and probably never will be used correctly by this coach. Sproles was criminally miss used in a very similar offensive scheme for years.

Arians obviously has some weird dude love bigger backs. Mendy will get every opportunity and then some, he will only turn to Ellington when he absolutely has too...
I figure he is getting the jamaal charles treatment at this point (i'm not saying he is the next charles, just being treated like he was)...not built like a typical back, huge playmaker and solid in every facit of the game, but the coaches have a mindset that holds them back. Either a new offensive coordinator will take over and unleash it or he will be buried behind bigger backs until its too late.

 
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So that was BA's grand plan? Making Ellington a Wildcat QB? You've got to be kidding me. I thought they were going to get him more involved in the passing game like upping his targets to 6-8 a game. This wildcat crap was played out years ago. Somebody please shoot me now. :wall: :wall: :wall:

 
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All joking aside, Arians obviously had a allegiance to Mendenhall. All of his bull#### about Ellingtons size blah blah blah is a smokescreen for whatever he is trying to accomplish. At some point someone in that front office or the coaching staff will voice their opinion about this situation and maybe just maybe BA will wake up and realize Ellington is the best back they have and should utilize his talent.

 
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Top Cardinals beat man Kent Somers is calling for Andre Ellington to become the feature back ahead of Rashard Mendenhall.

It's not just Cardinals fans and fantasy types that are flabbergasted by the division of labor. People who are around the team every day like Somers are confused as well. "To continue to divide the workload equally between Ellington and Mendenhall is stubborn at best and foolish at worst," he wrote. Still, the only person that matters here is Bruce Arians. And he believes that the 13 touches Ellington got in Week 10 were "plenty." We can't expect a change in the rotation based on public pressure.
Seems like EVERYONE is calling for more touches for Ellington. Beat Writers, Fantasy Players/Analysts, Professional Analysts. It's getting to the point where the Cards beat writers are literally calling Arians stubborn and foolish. I feel like it's a matter of time, hopefully just before fantasy playoffs that Ellington is named the starter.

 
Top Cardinals beat man Kent Somers is calling for Andre Ellington to become the feature back ahead of Rashard Mendenhall.

It's not just Cardinals fans and fantasy types that are flabbergasted by the division of labor. People who are around the team every day like Somers are confused as well. "To continue to divide the workload equally between Ellington and Mendenhall is stubborn at best and foolish at worst," he wrote. Still, the only person that matters here is Bruce Arians. And he believes that the 13 touches Ellington got in Week 10 were "plenty." We can't expect a change in the rotation based on public pressure.
Seems like EVERYONE is calling for more touches for Ellington. Beat Writers, Fantasy Players/Analysts, Professional Analysts. It's getting to the point where the Cards beat writers are literally calling Arians stubborn and foolish. I feel like it's a matter of time, hopefully just before fantasy playoffs that Ellington is named the starter.
where`s Bill Bidwill during all this? Has he no say?

 
Top Cardinals beat man Kent Somers is calling for Andre Ellington to become the feature back ahead of Rashard Mendenhall.

It's not just Cardinals fans and fantasy types that are flabbergasted by the division of labor. People who are around the team every day like Somers are confused as well. "To continue to divide the workload equally between Ellington and Mendenhall is stubborn at best and foolish at worst," he wrote. Still, the only person that matters here is Bruce Arians. And he believes that the 13 touches Ellington got in Week 10 were "plenty." We can't expect a change in the rotation based on public pressure.
Seems like EVERYONE is calling for more touches for Ellington. Beat Writers, Fantasy Players/Analysts, Professional Analysts. It's getting to the point where the Cards beat writers are literally calling Arians stubborn and foolish. I feel like it's a matter of time, hopefully just before fantasy playoffs that Ellington is named the starter.
where`s Bill Bidwill during all this? Has he no say?
I was starting to wonder the same thing... how long can a coach continue to give more carries to a guy getting 3ypc in favor of a guy getting 7ypc before the Owner/GM/President types step in and make something happen?

 
jah77 said:
Bruce Arians again defends Rashard Mendenhall, says he 'probably had his best game as a Cardinal'

http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2013/11/12/5094630/bruce-arians-again-defends-rashard-mendenhall-says-he-probably-had

Arizona head coach Bruce Arians continues to show unwavering trust in Mendenhall. He was on the radio with Dan Bickley and Vince Marotta Monday afternoon and he went as far to say that, aside from the fumble, "Rashard probably had his best game as a Cardinal."

:loco:
Waiting for the Bruce on Rashard fellatio paparazzi photos to come out soon.

 
jah77 said:
Bruce Arians again defends Rashard Mendenhall, says he 'probably had his best game as a Cardinal'

http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2013/11/12/5094630/bruce-arians-again-defends-rashard-mendenhall-says-he-probably-had

Arizona head coach Bruce Arians continues to show unwavering trust in Mendenhall. He was on the radio with Dan Bickley and Vince Marotta Monday afternoon and he went as far to say that, aside from the fumble, "Rashard probably had his best game as a Cardinal."

:loco:
haha...aside from the fumble in the last minutes of the game that lead to an easy TD he had a good game....oh, and in his best game, he was CLEARLY outplayed again in every possible metric by Ellington. The situation is beyond bizarre and laughable.

 
jah77 said:
Bruce Arians again defends Rashard Mendenhall, says he 'probably had his best game as a Cardinal'

http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2013/11/12/5094630/bruce-arians-again-defends-rashard-mendenhall-says-he-probably-had

Arizona head coach Bruce Arians continues to show unwavering trust in Mendenhall. He was on the radio with Dan Bickley and Vince Marotta Monday afternoon and he went as far to say that, aside from the fumble, "Rashard probably had his best game as a Cardinal."

:loco:
Actually that statement is correct. Mendenhall had, far and away, his best game of the season sans fumble. But shouldn't his "best" (where he averaged 3.2ypc) tell you something?

 
All good coaches have an ego. Great coaches know when to check their egos and admit they were wrong.

This is starting to feel like Arians just doesn't want to admit he was wrong and will say and do anything to refuse to admit that he is. Because at this point it's just a sheer act of defiance to pretend that Mendenhall is even replacement level and that Ellington isn't significantly outplaying him. Arians needs to check his ego at the door, admit he's wrong, and give his team the best chance to win games.

 
All good coaches have an ego. Great coaches know when to check their egos and admit they were wrong.

This is starting to feel like Arians just doesn't want to admit he was wrong and will say and do anything to refuse to admit that he is. Because at this point it's just a sheer act of defiance to pretend that Mendenhall is even replacement level and that Ellington isn't significantly outplaying him. Arians needs to check his ego at the door, admit he's wrong, and give his team the best chance to win games.
Totally agree here and to add, if Arians is this stubborn and defiant, I would assume it would be grounds for dismissal?
 
jah77 said:
Bruce Arians again defends Rashard Mendenhall, says he 'probably had his best game as a Cardinal'

http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2013/11/12/5094630/bruce-arians-again-defends-rashard-mendenhall-says-he-probably-had

Arizona head coach Bruce Arians continues to show unwavering trust in Mendenhall. He was on the radio with Dan Bickley and Vince Marotta Monday afternoon and he went as far to say that, aside from the fumble, "Rashard probably had his best game as a Cardinal."

:loco:
Well, a 3.23 yard per carry is much higher than his average so far. :lmao:

 
All good coaches have an ego. Great coaches know when to check their egos and admit they were wrong.

This is starting to feel like Arians just doesn't want to admit he was wrong and will say and do anything to refuse to admit that he is. Because at this point it's just a sheer act of defiance to pretend that Mendenhall is even replacement level and that Ellington isn't significantly outplaying him. Arians needs to check his ego at the door, admit he's wrong, and give his team the best chance to win games.
Totally agree here and to add, if Arians is this stubborn and defiant, I would assume it would be grounds for dismissal?
Only if you're losing. If you're winning, you can be as stubborn and defiant as you want. In fact, it's often cited as an admirable trait. Best thing that could happen to Ellington is the Cardinals stop winning.

 
All good coaches have an ego. Great coaches know when to check their egos and admit they were wrong.

This is starting to feel like Arians just doesn't want to admit he was wrong and will say and do anything to refuse to admit that he is. Because at this point it's just a sheer act of defiance to pretend that Mendenhall is even replacement level and that Ellington isn't significantly outplaying him. Arians needs to check his ego at the door, admit he's wrong, and give his team the best chance to win games.
That's probably it in a nutshell (pun intended). And as mentioned above, the fact that the team is winning cures all ails.

Even if it were Suzanne Somers calling for Arians to make a change, I don't think the guy would do it.

 
Mendy looks like a giant tumble weed that moves slower than a paralyzed 3 toed sloth

Arians .. I hope your just waiting to unleash this guy.... he's a fantasy machine when its his time
locally I have heard they are intentionally limiting Andre's reps to keep him healthy and he still doesn't pass protect as well as mendenhall.Probably a good start in PPR leagues but his production isn't going to skyrocket from current production.

This was all part of a discussion as to why mendenhall is still the "starter".
The healthy part I get, the pass protection I do not. PFF has him rated significantly higher in pass protection then mendy.
It's just another excuse for Arians to keep playing his boy Mendy. It doesn't matter if it holds any weight or not.

Last week showed us a lot. I really thought he was going to give Ellington more opportunities and keep him more involved in the offense but that wasn't the case at all. He was used to CAA(Cover Arians ###) and only got the playing time after Mendy failed and failed repeatedly. Its almost like Ellington only gets chances when Arians knows he absolutely has to get something going at that point in the game. Ok the offense has done nothing the last three series and now we are down by 7 better put Ellington in for this series. They proceed to move the ball and score then its right back to Mendy next series.

Also its disappointing how they use him in the passing game as well. No normal RB screens, no little WR type screens out in the flats to get him the ball quickly in situations where all he has to do is make one guy miss for a big gain. Most of the targets I have seen are long developing routs downfield or to the sidelines. He doesn't even get any dump off passes because he's not in on most obvious passing situations.

It's frustrating because we can see the potential...this dude is ####### lightning in a bottle every time he gets the ball. I want to play this guy because I could see him having a lot of 100+total yrd 2TD type games on only 12-15 touches but I just don't think he's being used properly and probably never will be used correctly by this coach. Sproles was criminally miss used in a very similar offensive scheme for years.

Arians obviously has some weird dude love bigger backs. Mendy will get every opportunity and then some, he will only turn to Ellington when he absolutely has too...
bro. spot on post. Good analysis and agree 100 percent. The offense has some a different dynamic and shape to it with Ellington out their. It's sort of how Gio transforms the bengals offense into a formidable attack. None of these defenses are scared of Mendy/bjge..... u kidding. They have nightmares of Ellington/gio in space.. :sleep:

 
Top Cardinals beat man Kent Somers is calling for Andre Ellington to become the feature back ahead of Rashard Mendenhall.

It's not just Cardinals fans and fantasy types that are flabbergasted by the division of labor. People who are around the team every day like Somers are confused as well. "To continue to divide the workload equally between Ellington and Mendenhall is stubborn at best and foolish at worst," he wrote. Still, the only person that matters here is Bruce Arians. And he believes that the 13 touches Ellington got in Week 10 were "plenty." We can't expect a change in the rotation based on public pressure.
Seems like EVERYONE is calling for more touches for Ellington. Beat Writers, Fantasy Players/Analysts, Professional Analysts. It's getting to the point where the Cards beat writers are literally calling Arians stubborn and foolish. I feel like it's a matter of time, hopefully just before fantasy playoffs that Ellington is named the starter.
where`s Bill Bidwill during all this? Has he no say?
I was starting to wonder the same thing... how long can a coach continue to give more carries to a guy getting 3ypc in favor of a guy getting 7ypc before the Owner/GM/President types step in and make something happen?
agreed you would think unless they don't watch the games. LOL wtf

 
ROFL. So glad I traded Ellington for Cooper last night.
:goodposting:

Could you post more of your awesome moves in here? Looking for some more insight from serious sharks rather than the rest of the guppies up in here. Thanks for putting your rooster in your sig btw... not enough people do that on these forums. Should put your scoring system in there too.

 
ROFL. So glad I traded Ellington for Cooper last night.
:goodposting:

Could you post more of your awesome moves in here? Looking for some more insight from serious sharks rather than the rest of the guppies up in here. Thanks for putting your rooster in your sig btw... not enough people do that on these forums. Should put your scoring system in there too.
In his defense- it is getting down to "#### or get off the pot time" with some players. I'm holding Ellington out of desperation while I have Bowe, White and TRich still sitting on my bench. :wall:

As for the roster business? Many of us have our own sig quirks. :cough:

;)

 
ROFL. So glad I traded Ellington for Cooper last night.
:goodposting:

Could you post more of your awesome moves in here? Looking for some more insight from serious sharks rather than the rest of the guppies up in here. Thanks for putting your rooster in your sig btw... not enough people do that on these forums. Should put your scoring system in there too.
In his defense- it is getting down to "#### or get off the pot time" with some players. I'm holding Ellington out of desperation while I have Bowe, White and TRich still sitting on my bench. :wall:

As for the roster business? Many of us have our own sig quirks. :cough:

;)
My sig dominates. Don't even play. It's got a plaque in the in the sig hall of fame next to Shuke's.

 
I think we all come to the conclusion that using Ellington more will be better overall for the team by leaps and bounds. All phases of the offense, so Getting Fitzy freed up goes without saying. I just can't wrap my head around why he is so damn stubborn??

 
T with T said:
I think we all come to the conclusion that using Ellington more will be better overall for the team by leaps and bounds. All phases of the offense, so Getting Fitzy freed up goes without saying. I just can't wrap my head around why he is so damn stubborn??
after Ellington's breakout game Palmer was specifically quoted saying as much. He said how much the defense has to watch him and account for him in the offense when he's on the field which frees things up for others. Makes perfect sense...if Mendy's the sole guy in the backfield are you worried about him getting outside and taking it to the house? uummm, no. So the defense can commit less guys and drop their coverage. When Ellington is in the backfield and he takes nearly 20% of his carries for 15 yards or more you have to be very worried of where he is on the field.

Opposing defenses/coordinators LOVE Arians.

 
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T with T said:
I think we all come to the conclusion that using Ellington more will be better overall for the team by leaps and bounds. All phases of the offense, so Getting Fitzy freed up goes without saying. I just can't wrap my head around why he is so damn stubborn??
after Ellington's breakout game Palmer was specifically quoted saying as much. He said how much the defense has to watch him and account for him in the offense when he's on the field which frees things up for others.
yes it seems like a no brainer for even the avg fan who doesn't watch football much.... It's baffling and criminal how they are using Ellington.. He should get 15 carries and 4-7 catches a game.... That's just Bs giving him 13 touches when he said 20. That arians is a complete tool and the cards are winning in spite of his #######... You can quote and post that I stand behind that 100 percent.. Pure shame. The guy is a complete nut job and I don't know what he is thinking.

 
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ROFL. So glad I traded Ellington for Cooper last night.
:goodposting:

Could you post more of your awesome moves in here? Looking for some more insight from serious sharks rather than the rest of the guppies up in here. Thanks for putting your rooster in your sig btw... not enough people do that on these forums. Should put your scoring system in there too.
No need to be a ####. I've held Ellingotn for a while now and if you look back I was super excited about grabbing him (and posted in here). I leave my roster in my sig because I use AC a lot.

I'm sure your a well respected member in here with your big 64k posts but being an ### doesn't do you an favors in the eyes of others in the forum.

My post holds value, regardless. I traded Ellington after holding him for a while with the expectation of an increase in carries (esp after Mendenhall's toe inj.). But obviously as every has reiterated for 2 pages now, Arians has some sort of mancrush with Mendy. Additionally, it does seem like there's a complex of "Mendy's bound do breakout if we keep sneaking Ellington in to cover the loss in YPC". This is the point of the season where you decide if you're riding out with Ellington or trading away. I chose to trade away, and I would suspect others in here would like to know if people are dropping or buying.

I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul. :homer:

 
Hoot, your post did not have value. This explanation does...but not the original post. Thank you for giving your rationale behind the move.

 
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Like I said before, it doesn't matter how loud everyone shouts. Right now the Cards are 5-4. So a coach will be justified in his moves if he's winning games. So I don't see this changing any time soon with Jax. Indy and Philly coming up may force some change if Ellington is still under utilized and they lose. By then its week 14 though. Have to hope you make the playoffs without Ellington helping you till then.

 
Like I said before, it doesn't matter how loud everyone shouts. Right now the Cards are 5-4. So a coach will be justified in his moves if he's winning games. So I don't see this changing any time soon with Jax. Indy and Philly coming up may force some change if Ellington is still under utilized and they lose. By then its week 14 though. Have to hope you make the playoffs without Ellington helping you till then.
Disagree. He still has #2/flex appeal with his current use.

 
I love the big play upside, but he's too up & down to trust in the playoffs for my taste. I have Gio, Gore and now Vereen coming back. Ellington is an emergency flex from here on.

Here are his points over the last 5 in my league:

Car 13
@SF 20
Sea 3
Atl 37
Hou 10

 
Why is Ellington ranked so highly for this week? I understand the Jags are giving up a lot to fantasy RBs, but I would have thought a tougher matchup is better for Ellington since the Cards might be more inclined to use him if trying to spark their offense in a comeback from behind and/or in the passing game if they are forced to throw.

If the Cards go up big on the Jags, I can see a lot of Mendy/Taylor game killing carries in the second half.

 
Why is Ellington ranked so highly for this week? I understand the Jags are giving up a lot to fantasy RBs, but I would have thought a tougher matchup is better for Ellington since the Cards might be more inclined to use him if trying to spark their offense in a comeback from behind and/or in the passing game if they are forced to throw.

If the Cards go up big on the Jags, I can see a lot of Mendy/Taylor game killing carries in the second half.
hopefully he gets a few catches and maybe a long td before that happens. I think he can have 18-20 points in a ppr league...... Jags won't get blown out I don't think. ARI isn't blowing to many teams out bud.

 
Why is Ellington ranked so highly for this week? I understand the Jags are giving up a lot to fantasy RBs, but I would have thought a tougher matchup is better for Ellington since the Cards might be more inclined to use him if trying to spark their offense in a comeback from behind and/or in the passing game if they are forced to throw.

If the Cards go up big on the Jags, I can see a lot of Mendy/Taylor game killing carries in the second half.
Ellington has now earned a 10-15 touch role regardless of matchup. While I think you are correct that the bruisers would be leaned on late to protect a lead, the idea is Ellington would be a big part of how they got that lead. I can be guilty of this too, but don't overthink it - the Jags are a great matchup.

 
Why is Ellington ranked so highly for this week? I understand the Jags are giving up a lot to fantasy RBs, but I would have thought a tougher matchup is better for Ellington since the Cards might be more inclined to use him if trying to spark their offense in a comeback from behind and/or in the passing game if they are forced to throw.

If the Cards go up big on the Jags, I can see a lot of Mendy/Taylor game killing carries in the second half.
Ellington has now earned a 10-15 touch role regardless of matchup. While I think you are correct that the bruisers would be leaned on late to protect a lead, the idea is Ellington would be a big part of how they got that lead. I can be guilty of this too, but don't overthink it - the Jags are a great matchup.
:goodposting: Im starting Ellington over Rice pretty confidently.

 

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