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Andre Ellington - RB - Clemson. (1 Viewer)
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T with T
Footballguy
yea but he surely utilizes players in a dumb way. Just because the team is winning, I think they are winning in spite of the fool.. Their are plenty of threads out their that agree with me but that is something that can be argued on another note. My point is that Ellington should be the feature back receiving 20 touches in the running/passing game every week. We can all agree that not doing so is criminal, foolish and idiotic.
zamboni
Footballguy
Folks need to stop with the Arians-is-an-idiot talk since he doesn't use Ellington enough to help their fantasy teams. And this is from an Ellington owner.
The Cards are 7-4, so he's clearly doing many things right - that they're doing it in spite of Arians is foolhardy. Allocation of RB touches are critical to us fantasy geeks, but not necessarily to NFL success. Besides, maybe Arians & Co. realize that too many carries for Ellington may reduce his success.
As far as Ellington goes, the injury may come at a bad time as Mendenhall seems to have gotten some burst back. With the team playing well on defense, they may just ride Mendenhall more and more every week.
The Cards are 7-4, so he's clearly doing many things right - that they're doing it in spite of Arians is foolhardy. Allocation of RB touches are critical to us fantasy geeks, but not necessarily to NFL success. Besides, maybe Arians & Co. realize that too many carries for Ellington may reduce his success.
As far as Ellington goes, the injury may come at a bad time as Mendenhall seems to have gotten some burst back. With the team playing well on defense, they may just ride Mendenhall more and more every week.
RBM
Footballguy
Ha this post sums up the stupidity of the typical fantasy football comes first types.T with T said:
Arians has an average team 7-4 and in the drivers seat to make the playoffs, yet the team needs a "real coach" because some jobber has scouted and concluded that Andre fn Ellington is basically Barry Sanders 2.0 and commands at least 20 touches a game!
Ya can't make this up folks....
zamboni
Footballguy
Even if Ellington does play, I doubt he gets more than 5-7 touches. A sore knee on a guy that relies so much on jukes/speed isn't a good combination, especially when a coach wants to limit him in the first place.
Expect a heavy dose of Mendenhall today to grind the clock and try to keep the Eagles offense off the field.
Expect a heavy dose of Mendenhall today to grind the clock and try to keep the Eagles offense off the field.
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Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
Andre Ellington (knee) is inactive for Sunday's Week 13 game at Philadelphia.
LargeMouthBass
Footballguy
Unless you play in a dynasty, Ellington doesn't even belong on your bench the rest of the season...
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
:crickets:
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Hey Arizona - watch the tape from the Kansas City game yesterday. See how they use Jamaal Charles? Yeah, do that next year. A lot. Thanks in advance.
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
Unfortunately, Arians seems locked in on the Todd Haley/Kansas City gameplan circa 2010
zamboni
Footballguy
Probably - I can see them upping Ellington's touches a bit at the expense of Mendenhall if the latter continues to plod. But I don't see Ellington ever getting those short yardage TDs that could really elevate him in the RB ranks.
packersfan
Footballguy
Mendenhall's looked pretty good lately. As an Ellington owner I wish he didn't but he has. Tough to see the Cardinals changing things up as long as that's going on.
packersfan
Footballguy
I agree Ellington has looked better. But I think Mendy has run pretty well lately. He's running hard and typically staying ahead of the sticks. Given that, I can't see anything changing for Ellington at this time - especially with Arians rather adamant about capping Ellington's touches each week. They clearly don't want to give him more volume even if he's earning it.
Well, for what it's worth, I don't anticipate Mendenhall being in Arizona next-year. I mean, it can happen but I don't think he's doing anything special that a young Rookie couldn't bring to the table. I expect Ellington to be in a committee with a Rookie come this time next year.
Mendenhall: 186 Carries / 577 Yards / 3.1 YPC
Ellington: 94 Carries / 558 Yards / 5.9 YPC
Give half of Mendenhall's carries to Ellington and the other half to Stephan Taylor / whatever Rookie they draft to fill the empty hole.
(Ellington's a definite sleeper for next-year. Especially in PPR, don't be surprised when it happens.)
Mendenhall: 186 Carries / 577 Yards / 3.1 YPC
Ellington: 94 Carries / 558 Yards / 5.9 YPC
Give half of Mendenhall's carries to Ellington and the other half to Stephan Taylor / whatever Rookie they draft to fill the empty hole.
(Ellington's a definite sleeper for next-year. Especially in PPR, don't be surprised when it happens.)
cubbie5150
Footballguy
I'd love to see him in a Darren Sproles type of role next season. He would be a PPR monster with those kinds of targets. It's unlikely he'll get GL touches, so I really don't care as much about rush attempts.
packersfan
Footballguy
Anybody rolling with Ellington as a flex play this week and if so over whom? Very tough matchup obviously but certainly possible he's very active in the passing game as usual.
T with T
Footballguy
T with T
Footballguy
That could just be coach speak and the fact he is a rookie... Mendy is a FA after this season and I doubt they re sign him... Ellington is a gem for dynasty owners... I could care less about redraft leagues... Grab Ellington in your dynasty leagues while you can. His floor is a sproles/woodhead/vereen role and has JCharles potential....... Charles didn't do **** in his rookie year, Haley wouldn't give him the ball.
T with T
Footballguy
woodhead was a legit rb2 as was vereen who aren't even the main ingredient on the team as Matthews/Ridley are the main backs..... PPR backs and hybrids like Ellington are gonna be $$$$$$ in PPR.
T with T
Footballguy
If Ap doesn't play Im gonna flex him, what other choices do I have??........ Don't like match up this week vs sea. Last time he played sea they ignored him and he had something like 3 carries and didn't have any room and was a total non factor... Def. hoping AP plays this week but for next year 2014 and beyond I really get excited thinking about Ellington's ppr value.
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Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
I don't see this as being a promising matchup for him at all. Or for any other Cardinals for that matter.
packersfan
Footballguy
I agree. I just hate to sit a guy with his kind of upside in PPR. But the matchup may force my hand.
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
The last time he faced the Seahawks, I think he only touched the ball three times. I just don't trust his usage in this game.
T with T
Footballguy
3 carries and 1 catch for 1 yard... Yes he was a big disappointment and that was at home, this week he is @SEA I actually don't like his outlook at all this week either. But you know how fantasy football goes, you bench him and think he will get stuffed and he will go off for 150 yards and 2 tds.... Weird sport.........
packersfan
Footballguy
Yeah that's the thing. He's so explosive and has a lot of upside. Even in a very tough matchup if he gets enough touches - especially in the passing game - he could definitely deliver nicely. I'm almost certainly going to sit him but I really don't want to. I love this kid.
T with T
Footballguy
Me to I have him in a few dynasty leagues and bought cheap when others thought he wasn't even a 5-10 carry rb. I believe his role grows no matter what and Mendy is a goner after season...... Ellington has a bright future.
While I agree that Mendenhall will not be brought back, I suspect they either spend a high draft pick on a player or sign a prominent free agent, with the intention of this player taking over the Mendenhall role.
If it is a rookie, then sure, Ellington makes the cut as a sleeper next year (I like to bet against rookies), but if they bring in a proven talent, who is better than Mendenhall, then I don't think I'll waste even a late pick on Ellington who will probably carry enough name recognition to get nabbed earlier than I would like.
Arizona isn't going to magically turn into New Orleans. Arians has adapted a bit, but still through 14 games the Arizona RBs only have 67 receptions. The only way Ellington becomes a weekly play is if they draft a rookie to fill the void and the rookie falls flat and they have to lean on Ellington. Thus, sleeper status. But I don't like the chances of this. Arians will continue to split the load. I think a realistic upside expectation next year is 10 carries and 3 receptions. Which could net him a low RB2 finish if he plays 16 games and other RBs get hurt, but he's not a guy you really want to be starting weekly at RB2. If they actually get some talent in there to replace Mendenhall then we're probably looking at 6 carries and 2 receptions in which case you just wasted that 11th round pick - no big loss but there will probably be guys with more than 10/3 upside in the same vicinity next year.
Unless they let Mendenhall walk and totally ignore the RB position in the offseason (unlikely) then Ellington will probably be nothing more than a very, very weak flex play next year. If he were on a different team where he could see 60+ receptions then it might be a different story.
zamboni
Footballguy
(Rotoworld) MMQB's Andy Benoit calls Andre Ellington a future "SUPERstar." Analysis: It's not a far-fetched proclamation. As a sixth-round rookie, Ellington leads the NFL in yards per carry (5.93) and is showing elite route-running ability when split wide. If coach Bruce Arians takes the chains off and gets Ellington 15-18 touches per game, he's going to become a household name. At 5'9/199, he has similar size to Chris Johnson. Ellington just has prove to Arians he's durable enough to be a true feature back.
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I agree with pretty much all of this, except I think that it's quite possible that Mendenhall is brought back on another cheap contract. Arians obviously likes him, he's actually played better the 2nd half of the season (still far from a difference maker, though, obviously), and AZ needs someone to pound the ball inside and absorb punishment to keep defenses honest.
If Ellington was playing in a system that featured the RBs as receivers more than does Arians, I'd definitely be more excited about him moving forward. As things stand now, I'm still viewing Ellington as a sell high -- provided I can find someone that sees him as a "future superstar," and plenty of those people are out there. Ellington's likely range of production falls into the RB20 - RB30 range (PPR) -- so if people are willing to pay RB2+ prices, I'll take it. Dynamic running talent or not, he's not going to be particularly FF-friendly without a situation change IMO.
NREC34
Footballguy
That's not true. I remember watching that game. They targeted him in the redzone but they couldn't make the play.
T with T
Footballguy
one time... he had 4 touches, that's ignoring him. He should be getting 15-18 touches per game..... Anything less is criminal.... If your gonna sit their and tell me they didn't ignore him in that game your nuts.
Where would you slot him in non-PPR?Coeur de Lion said:FF Ninja said:
I agree with pretty much all of this, except I think that it's quite possible that Mendenhall is brought back on another cheap contract. Arians obviously likes him, he's actually played better the 2nd half of the season (still far from a difference maker, though, obviously), and AZ needs someone to pound the ball inside and absorb punishment to keep defenses honest.
If Ellington was playing in a system that featured the RBs as receivers more than does Arians, I'd definitely be more excited about him moving forward. As things stand now, I'm still viewing Ellington as a sell high -- provided I can find someone that sees him as a "future superstar," and plenty of those people are out there. Ellington's likely range of production falls into the RB20 - RB30 range (PPR) -- so if people are willing to pay RB2+ prices, I'll take it. Dynamic running talent or not, he's not going to be particularly FF-friendly without a situation change IMO.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Same ballpark. Give or take 1000 YFS and 5-6 TDs as a baseline is reasonable moving forward.Where would you slot him in non-PPR?Coeur de Lion said:FF Ninja said:
If Ellington was playing in a system that featured the RBs as receivers more than does Arians, I'd definitely be more excited about him moving forward. As things stand now, I'm still viewing Ellington as a sell high -- provided I can find someone that sees him as a "future superstar," and plenty of those people are out there. Ellington's likely range of production falls into the RB20 - RB30 range (PPR) -- so if people are willing to pay RB2+ prices, I'll take it. Dynamic running talent or not, he's not going to be particularly FF-friendly without a situation change IMO.
At seattle? Hell no man. Im pretty banged up in the finals and gonna go with lamar miller and danny amendola over ellington. Too bad its such a tough play as id likevto roll with him.
Ray Finkle
Footballguy
Looking for opinions:
What are the main reasons behind the difference in the dynasty ranking of Bernard and Ellington? They had essentially the same workout at the combine at roughly the same size and very similar rookie year numbers.
Is it as simple as Arians speaking against Ellington's ability to carry the load while the Bengals have Hue Jackson as their new OC and have shown a willingness to let Bernard get GL carries?
What are the main reasons behind the difference in the dynasty ranking of Bernard and Ellington? They had essentially the same workout at the combine at roughly the same size and very similar rookie year numbers.
Is it as simple as Arians speaking against Ellington's ability to carry the load while the Bengals have Hue Jackson as their new OC and have shown a willingness to let Bernard get GL carries?
Xue
Footballguy
They are nowhere close in size. Bernard is much thicker and projects better to eventually become a lead back.
