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Andre Ellington - RB - Clemson. (1 Viewer)

here's an ellington note I had from my offseason blurb compilations last year

Andre ellington inj history fairly extensive. Toe/ankle surgeries @ Clem. Concussion in 2013 camp. Missed game w/knee inj. Battled late-season thigh inj. Another Ellington concern is offseason weight gain.
he's not the biggest guy and wasn't a proven workhorse, being asked to pack on weight for the role of 'feature back'

I think durability is a legit issue

are you implying they don't use their feet prior to actual regular season games?

 
Just a hunch, but I too think he's a buy low. Who they pick up and his health are the key factors of course, but you could see the guy limping and wincing during games yet staying on the field. And there were enough "wow" plays where he showed explosiveness even with the injury. Before last year most thought DeMarco Murry unreliable and overrated, he turned into the best with one healthy year. I don't see that kind of upside for Ellington but if healthy, RB1 for sure. And top tier PPR. We'll see but he's a guy to keep an eye on and target for depth if the price is right.
I agree. Unless you're convinced about their ability to stay healthy going forward, these kind of guys that play a season at 60% usually make great buys in the next offseason. People tend to disregard that when looking at their numbers and they end up way underrated.
The problem is that while he may have the talent, he's probably not going to get the opportunity if they draft an RB early as expected. All that talent makes little difference in fantasy circles if his touches are going to be limited.

 
Ellington was a MUCH more effective player, and stayed healthier, for the Cards on 10 touches / game in 2013 than he was on 20 touches / game last year. It would seem to make sense for the team to limit his touches moving forward, which also meshes with the coachspeak coming out of AZ. I'm sure that some of the drop off was due to the foot injury he dealt with all year, but IMO Ellington is fundamentally more suited for the COP / receiving role that he excelled in as a rookie.

 
Ellington was a MUCH more effective player, and stayed healthier, for the Cards on 10 touches / game in 2013 than he was on 20 touches / game last year. It would seem to make sense for the team to limit his touches moving forward, which also meshes with the coachspeak coming out of AZ. I'm sure that some of the drop off was due to the foot injury he dealt with all year, but IMO Ellington is fundamentally more suited for the COP / receiving role that he excelled in as a rookie.
The latest "coachspeak" coming out of Arizona is this.

Published Fri Mar 27 3:42:28 p.m. PT 2015


(USA Today)Arizona Cardinals RB Andre Ellington, who averaged 20.6 touches per game in 2014 before being injured,

won't have his role reduced in 2015, according to head coach Bruce Arians. Ellington's role in the passing game may increase, too.

Ellington was often limited in practices during the week last year because of his foot injury.

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Ellington was basically playing on one leg last year.

He played in 11 full games and ended up with over 1000 total offense.

I personally am looking forward to seeing what he can do injury free in 2015.

The key, of course, is hoping he remains injury free in 2015.

Buy Low.

 
Rotoworld:

Speaking Thursday, Cardinals coach Bruce Arians said Andre Ellington was "95 percent recovered" from his foot injury.

Ellington is also in the final stages of his recovery from sports-hernia surgery. Ellington was a breakout candidate last season, but wasn't the same after injuring his foot in a Week 1 practice. A disappointing campaign followed, and now the Cardinals are openly pursuing a bigger back. There's a chance Ellington's 2015 fantasy appeal is limited to PPR leagues.

Source: Josh Weinfuss on Twitter
Apr 23 - 2:09 PM
 
Even as an Ellington owner, not buying Arians' coachspeak.

I'm sure Ellington will have a role, but I can't see him getting another chance to be the workhorse.

Expect Johnson's value to rise and Ellington's to drop once preseason is in full force.

 
Even as an Ellington owner, not buying Arians' coachspeak.

I'm sure Ellington will have a role, but I can't see him getting another chance to be the workhorse.

Expect Johnson's value to rise and Ellington's to drop once preseason is in full force.
Bingo. That link is a coachspeak fluff piece.

I didn't draft Ellington last year as his price was just too high for me, but the dude was clearly injured so I thought he might be a nice value play this year if they didn't pick up a bigger back. Well, they did pick up a bigger back so now he's gone from value pick to flyer. Maybe Johnson is a bust or maybe he's injured. A healthy Ellington can still produce in this offense, but now luck will have to come into play for that to happen. As it stands right now, he's not getting 23 touches per game.

 
with all the various scenarios this is probably the best one for Ellington owners. You know they had to bring in someone because they have nothing behind him which was a huge issue for them last year. So far so good.

 
with all the various scenarios this is probably the best one for Ellington owners. You know they had to bring in someone because they have nothing behind him which was a huge issue for them last year. So far so good.
Interestingly, Marion Grice and Kerwynn Williams played well in Elllington's absence down the stretch, but it seems clear that Arians views them as spare parts and not guys to rely upon.

 
Even as an Ellington owner, not buying Arians' coachspeak.

I'm sure Ellington will have a role, but I can't see him getting another chance to be the workhorse.

Expect Johnson's value to rise and Ellington's to drop once preseason is in full force.
Bingo. That link is a coachspeak fluff piece.

I didn't draft Ellington last year as his price was just too high for me, but the dude was clearly injured so I thought he might be a nice value play this year if they didn't pick up a bigger back. Well, they did pick up a bigger back so now he's gone from value pick to flyer. Maybe Johnson is a bust or maybe he's injured. A healthy Ellington can still produce in this offense, but now luck will have to come into play for that to happen. As it stands right now, he's not getting 23 touches per game.
To be fair though, while Johnson does have a lot more size than Ellington, most scouting reports say that Johnson is more of a finesse than a power runner - not a true complement to Ellington. We'll have to see if that's true come camp, but it seems like a lot of the second tier RBs not named Gurley or Gordon were taken before the Cardinals and that was Johnson pick was merely selecting a bigger RB as opposed to the one they wanted.

 
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Even as an Ellington owner, not buying Arians' coachspeak.

I'm sure Ellington will have a role, but I can't see him getting another chance to be the workhorse.

Expect Johnson's value to rise and Ellington's to drop once preseason is in full force.
Bingo. That link is a coachspeak fluff piece.

I didn't draft Ellington last year as his price was just too high for me, but the dude was clearly injured so I thought he might be a nice value play this year if they didn't pick up a bigger back. Well, they did pick up a bigger back so now he's gone from value pick to flyer. Maybe Johnson is a bust or maybe he's injured. A healthy Ellington can still produce in this offense, but now luck will have to come into play for that to happen. As it stands right now, he's not getting 23 touches per game.
Johnson is a bigger back, but he doesn't run like one. The guy shies away from contact and doesn't look to get the extra yards bulling through a defense in fact he looks very timid when a defender is near. That's not to say that Ellington is safe, but I was surprised the team didn't go after a true power back. Johnson is a bigger, less explosive version of Ellington.

 
Tale of the tape:

Johnson:

6'1" 224

4.5 40

41.5 vert

127 broad

6.82 3 cone

31 1/4 arms

9 5/8 hands

last college season 14 games 287 for 1553/5.4 17 TD, 38 rec for 536/2 TD

Ellington:

5'9" 199

4.6 40

34 vert

122 broad

no cone

31 arms

9 3/8 hands

last college season 13 games 212 for 1081/5.1 8 TD, 14 rec for 232/1 TD

Yes, the coach said nothing will change for Ellington. Pretty rare a coach will say the rookie is going to start out of the gate over a vet before pres-season even starts. But reality is often very different. Coach ALSO said earlier this year he needed a bigger, faster back. He got one. Johnson may not be a slick as Ellington, and he may not be the bruiser his 224 pounds would indicate, but he fits the starter mold better than Ellington does by far.

 
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That's not to say that Ellington is safe, but I was surprised the team didn't go after a true power back. Johnson is a bigger, less explosive version of Ellington.
As I alluded to above, I think the Cardinals' options were limited once they were at the bottom of the 3rd round and a number of RBs already went off the board. Knowing they needed RB depth, seems like they saw size first, fit second.

 
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with all the various scenarios this is probably the best one for Ellington owners. You know they had to bring in someone because they have nothing behind him which was a huge issue for them last year. So far so good.
Yep, pretty pleased with how that worked out.

 
Ellington was RB10 going into Week 13, when he got hurt. He injured his foot in Week 1 against the Chargers. At the time it was considered a 4-6 or longer type of injury. So if we believe that, he played hurt from Week 1-7. He was RB6 with the injury. The line play was also pretty bad according to FBG updates. Carson Palmer went down in Week 1 as well and didn't play again until Week 6.

In games with both Palmer and Ellington, Andre scored 12, 14, 21, 17, 22, 14. For an average of 16.67 games. That's not bad, in fact its pretty damn close to what Eddie Lacy and Jamaal Charles did.

He's no middling back who will get pushed aside by the likes of Dave Johnson (a 3rd rounder). I think he's a definite buy right now.

 
I understand believing Ellington is a superior talent. I don't, but I can respect that stance. But it kills me when folks say he couldn't be pushed out by 3rd round draft pick when he was a 6th round draft pick. Either draft position matters, or it doesn't, can't have it both ways. And you can't really fall back on a long storied NFL career that trumps Ellington's draft position. All excuses aside, he had one really good season of part-time performance, and zero really good seasons of bell-cow performance.

 
Ellington was RB10 going into Week 13, when he got hurt. He injured his foot in Week 1 against the Chargers. At the time it was considered a 4-6 or longer type of injury. So if we believe that, he played hurt from Week 1-7. He was RB6 with the injury. The line play was also pretty bad according to FBG updates. Carson Palmer went down in Week 1 as well and didn't play again until Week 6.

In games with both Palmer and Ellington, Andre scored 12, 14, 21, 17, 22, 14. For an average of 16.67 games. That's not bad, in fact its pretty damn close to what Eddie Lacy and Jamaal Charles did.
Those are fantasy stats though. I'm sure all Arians cares about is his 3.3 YPC and inability to break long runs. He did seem to praise Ellington's toughness for playing all season long with the bum foot, but unfortunately that injury is also why Arians is probably not going to trust Ellington to be a workhorse.

 
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I understand believing Ellington is a superior talent. I don't, but I can respect that stance. But it kills me when folks say he couldn't be pushed out by 3rd round draft pick when he was a 6th round draft pick. Either draft position matters, or it doesn't, can't have it both ways. And you can't really fall back on a long storied NFL career that trumps Ellington's draft position. All excuses aside, he had one really good season of part-time performance, and zero really good seasons of bell-cow performance.
Agreed. Ellington looked great in 2013 in a part time role. He looked like crap last year, but put up good FF #s as a volume-based compiler. Obviously being injured factored in to that, but how much was the injury to blame vs how much was round peg / square hole re: workload / role is just guessing. Either way, he's certainly not bullet proof as a workhorse FF stud.

DLF has his startup ADP as RB23 around the 6/7 turn, which IMO is about right. My experience indicates that his owners in my leagues still value him at pretty close to 2014 pre-season levels -- low end RB1 with upside. I still want no part of Ellington at that price personally.

 
I understand believing Ellington is a superior talent. I don't, but I can respect that stance. But it kills me when folks say he couldn't be pushed out by 3rd round draft pick when he was a 6th round draft pick. Either draft position matters, or it doesn't, can't have it both ways. And you can't really fall back on a long storied NFL career that trumps Ellington's draft position. All excuses aside, he had one really good season of part-time performance, and zero really good seasons of bell-cow performance.
In short: Your draft position matters until it doesn't.

I don't think he CAN'T be pushed aside by a 3rd rounder but it's unlikely. It's unlikely that most 3rd rounders even stay in the league. The third round picks in the last 10 drafts are:

Charles Sims

Tre Mason

Terrance West

Jerrick McKinnon

Dri Archer

Knile Davis

Ronnie Hillman

Bernard Pierce

Demarco Murray

Stevan Ridley

Alex Green

Shonn Green

Glen Coffee

Kevin Smith

Jacob Hester

Jamaal Charles

Steve Slaton

Lorenzo Booker

Tony Hunt

Garrett Wolf

Brian Calhoun

Jerious Norwood.

That's two hits out of 22 players. Maybe another two or three so-so players (Mason, Ridley, McKinnon) Still though, it's basically a crap shoot to be much of anything in the NFL at all if you were a third rounder. Chances are David Johnson isn't going to amount to much. If he does, great he could be gold. Now, I understand that Andre Ellington is a 6th round pick. But we know he can play. So calling him just a 6th round pick falls short. He's already proven it on the field (while hurt mind you). The converse is Trent Richardson, we know he's not worthy of being a Top 5 rookie pick.

 
. That link is a coachspeak fluff piece.
:lmao:

"You tell the truth and everybody thinks you're lying," Arians quipped. 4/23/15
:shrug: He isn't getting 23 touches per game. Simple as that. Believe what you want to. There will always be material like this for those of you looking to feed your confirmation bias, but as a total outsider, I realize that Ellington's bell cow days are likely* over.

*Again, the rookie could be a bust or get hurt, but unless one of those things happen, Ellington isn't worth much.

 
. That link is a coachspeak fluff piece.
:lmao:

"You tell the truth and everybody thinks you're lying," Arians quipped. 4/23/15
:shrug: He isn't getting 23 touches per game. Simple as that. Believe what you want to. There will always be material like this for those of you looking to feed your confirmation bias, but as a total outsider, I realize that Ellington's bell cow days are likely* over.

*Again, the rookie could be a bust or get hurt, but unless one of those things happen, Ellington isn't worth much.
Totally Disagree. Will be fun to recheck this in December.

 
The problem is we still don't know who Ellington really is.

Personally I think Ellington is a timeshare guy and not a guy you feature in the NFL. His coach seems to agree. I think people saw him flash some good things and figured they have found a gem and maybe a guy what would find his way into being a very good all around back that would produce RB 1 numbers.

The problem now is you have an average player that had a couple of nice plays and games that inflated his overall value. Now you have three sides to this player. A side that said from day 1 that he was not capable of being a work horse RB (which seems to be the case). And another side that says he still can be a guy that gets the lion share of touches and be really good (which seems to be a long shot). And the third and final side that says he can be a good RB 2 especially in ppr leagues where he will still get enough pieces of the pie to be good.

I tend to draft higher upside guys as my RB2, but he could be a nice guy you pair with a stud RB1.

 
The problem is we still don't know who Ellington really is.

Personally I think Ellington is a timeshare guy and not a guy you feature in the NFL. His coach seems to agree. I think people saw him flash some good things and figured they have found a gem and maybe a guy what would find his way into being a very good all around back that would produce RB 1 numbers.

The problem now is you have an average player that had a couple of nice plays and games that inflated his overall value. Now you have three sides to this player. A side that said from day 1 that he was not capable of being a work horse RB (which seems to be the case). And another side that says he still can be a guy that gets the lion share of touches and be really good (which seems to be a long shot). And the third and final side that says he can be a good RB 2 especially in ppr leagues where he will still get enough pieces of the pie to be good.

I tend to draft higher upside guys as my RB2, but he could be a nice guy you pair with a stud RB1.
Um, that's exactly what he did through three months last season until his season was cut short. Curse your lying eyes if you want to, but it's a fact. Before he got hurt in Week 13, he was RB9 - right on Eddie Lacy's heels. Not sure what kind of upside you are looking for but that's pretty ####### good for a guy who played the first 6 weeks on a bum wheel.

He was RB19 last season after MISSING THE LAST MONTH OF THE SEASON! That's not in PPG, that's total points.

 
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That's FANTASY production. Not NFL production.

I understand believing Ellington is a superior talent. I don't, but I can respect that stance. But it kills me when folks say he couldn't be pushed out by 3rd round draft pick when he was a 6th round draft pick. Either draft position matters, or it doesn't, can't have it both ways. And you can't really fall back on a long storied NFL career that trumps Ellington's draft position. All excuses aside, he had one really good season of part-time performance, and zero really good seasons of bell-cow performance.
In short: Your draft position matters until it doesn't.

I don't think he CAN'T be pushed aside by a 3rd rounder but it's unlikely. It's unlikely that most 3rd rounders even stay in the league. The third round picks in the last 10 drafts are:

Charles Sims

Tre Mason

Terrance West

Jerrick McKinnon

Dri Archer

Knile Davis

Ronnie Hillman

Bernard Pierce

Demarco Murray

Stevan Ridley

Alex Green

Shonn Green

Glen Coffee

Kevin Smith

Jacob Hester

Jamaal Charles

Steve Slaton

Lorenzo Booker

Tony Hunt

Garrett Wolf

Brian Calhoun

Jerious Norwood.

That's two hits out of 22 players. Maybe another two or three so-so players (Mason, Ridley, McKinnon) Still though, it's basically a crap shoot to be much of anything in the NFL at all if you were a third rounder. Chances are David Johnson isn't going to amount to much. If he does, great he could be gold. Now, I understand that Andre Ellington is a 6th round pick. But we know he can play. So calling him just a 6th round pick falls short. He's already proven it on the field (while hurt mind you). The converse is Trent Richardson, we know he's not worthy of being a Top 5 rookie pick.
We all know later round picks don't have great odds for amazing featured back production. But the 6th round odds are a lot worse than the 3rd round odds, and yet he we are with Ellington. And just looking at these third round guys more or less illustrates my point. Two of the guys were the best back by far last year and the best back by far the year before. Then we have the LATE 2nd rounders who rounded out the best backs in the league last year. Others look great for brief periods or in part-time duty, then fall by the wayside or just continue to play their role.

Bernard Pierce looked great part time in his rookie year. Really fell off in his 2nd.

Slaton was also fantastic his rookie year, producing more then Ellington has to date. Could't keep it up full time.

Norwood looked FANTASTIC in part time duty, but wasn't meant to be a starter.

West and McKinnon have had their moments, and the book isn't closed on them.

Mason is another perfect example. Looked great one year, then replaced by a bigger back.

It happens over and over. There are very few true bell cows coming from ANY draft slot, that's why they are so valuable.

Ellington isn't built like a bell-cow, doesn't play like a bell-cow, and has now struggled mightily in his first bell-cow role shot. Since then the team has publicly stated they needed a bigger, faster back, and has now DRAFTED a bigger faster back, I don't think he's going to get another shot to be a featured back.

I'm not saying Johnson is going to take ALL the carries or even get the vast majority, but Ellington won't either, and Johnson now has the better chance to get enough carries to be a fantasy starter. He's a great receiving back and certainly isn't going to be pulled for Ellington on short-yardage. So there isn't really anything for Ellington to "make up the difference" with either.

My best guess is that Ellington and Johnson will split duty fairly evenly early in the year, and if Johnson turns out to be any good, he will gradually take away more and more opportunities from Ellington as the year progresses.

 
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The problem is we still don't know who Ellington really is.

Personally I think Ellington is a timeshare guy and not a guy you feature in the NFL. His coach seems to agree. I think people saw him flash some good things and figured they have found a gem and maybe a guy what would find his way into being a very good all around back that would produce RB 1 numbers.

The problem now is you have an average player that had a couple of nice plays and games that inflated his overall value. Now you have three sides to this player. A side that said from day 1 that he was not capable of being a work horse RB (which seems to be the case). And another side that says he still can be a guy that gets the lion share of touches and be really good (which seems to be a long shot). And the third and final side that says he can be a good RB 2 especially in ppr leagues where he will still get enough pieces of the pie to be good.

I tend to draft higher upside guys as my RB2, but he could be a nice guy you pair with a stud RB1.
Um, that's exactly what he did through three months last season until his season was cut short. Curse your lying eyes if you want to, but it's a fact. Before he got hurt in Week 13, he was RB9 - right on Eddie Lacy's heels. Not sure what kind of upside you are looking for but that's pretty ####### good for a guy who played the first 6 weeks on a bum wheel. He was RB19 last season after MISSING THE LAST MONTH OF THE SEASON! That's not in PPG, that's total points.
Those are FF stats. He was subpar as a runner in NFL terms last year. The Cards cant be happy with his Richardson-esque 3.3 YPC last year.

He was a great on 10 touches / week as a rookie. He sucked (NFL-wise) and got hurt on 23 touches / week last year. Of course it's not that simple, but you're dumbing it down even further by only looking at FF PPG = successful = locked in workhorse.

 
He obviously didn't play well for the most part last year. I'm not sure how people could argue otherwise on that front.

Likewise, it's equally silly that the other side is just ignoring that he came into the season injured. He clearly didn't look the same last year, even from the 1st carry of the year so it wasn't like he was worn down from carrying the ball so much. He never had that same burst or the lateral quickness that he had his rookie year. It was clear that the foot REALLY bothered him.

That's kind of the way the FF community rolls though. When a guy plays at well below 100% and it hampers his play they just assume that he wasn't that good. Those guys often represent fantastic value. Wes Welker and Edgerrin James weren't just great value buys the year after they tore their ACL and were coming off a season on the IR. They were also great value buys TWO years after they tore their ACL and they were coming off a season where they underperformed while playing at only 60%.

Adam Harstad has written extensively on the value in buying players coming off an injury. That is not limited to players that had an injury that immediately put them on IR. If the foot is back to 100% this year then I think Ellington is a great buy, even if his workload is a bit less than it was last year. The question all offseason is whether he would get that chance again. David Johnson in the 3rd round isn't nothing, but it's certainly not the opportunity crusher that most Ellington owners feared this offseason.

 
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Here's the thing, after doing some research on when Ellington actually got hurt, it turns out he was injured during his Thursday practice leading up to the season opener. So he was hurt literally from day 1 last season. He was hurt before he ever got a lot of touches in games. Pretty hard to argue that the workload wore him down or got him hurt when he got hurt in practice vefore recording a single regular season touch. I think we can all agree that players are always better when healthy. Saying he was better with fewer touches might be true, but it misses the point that we haven't seen what he can do when he's both A) Healthy and B) Getting a big workload.

http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2014/9/5/6111069/andre-ellington-foot-injury-to-cause-rb-to-miss-significant-time-says

 
that's great to say injuries are random and all that, but this is my 2014 draft note on ellington

Andre ellington inj history fairly extensive. Toe/ankle surgeries @ Clem. Concussion in 2013 camp. Missed game w/knee inj. Battled late-season thigh inj. Another Ellington concern is offseason weight gain.
and he played 2014 on a bad foot --- amazing

this guy is like another j stewart.

from pff

The converse of Bell, Andre Ellington was very good in this study last season, but terrible in 2014. Of course, his situation changed drastically. As a rookie, Ellington was a situational back and three quarters of his carries came against nickel and dime defenses. He torched those packages to the tune of 6.8 YPC. The warning signs were there, however, as he averaged just 3.6 YPC against Base. Asked to handle a more balanced diet of carries in 2014, Ellington stumbled to 2.9 YPC vs. Base (fourth worst) and 3.7 YPC against Nickel. Expect the Cardinals to add a quality early down back via the draft.
it's fine if you want to attribute this decline to a bad foot, that's fair, but you better hope he has better luck this year ----- guy brings a whole new meaning to walking on eggshells

all that said, it's always about value with all these players and where they're drafted, so while I thought he was overdrafted last year, he might be an ok value this year if enough people have quit on him.

 
This thread has been great. I actually just sent out an offer to the Ellington owner in the league I don't own him in.
At what price?

He was going as a RB1 (late 2nd / early 3rd) last year. Huge risky overpay there IMO.

As a RB2, not terrible IMO, but unlikely to offer big return, as that's about where I expect him to settle in -- 1200 YFS handful of TDs range.

RB3 I'd be all over him, but I highly doubt that's happening given the hype train that has surrounded him for two years now.

 
This thread has been great. I actually just sent out an offer to the Ellington owner in the league I don't own him in.
At what price?

He was going as a RB1 (late 2nd / early 3rd) last year. Huge risky overpay there IMO.

As a RB2, not terrible IMO, but unlikely to offer big return, as that's about where I expect him to settle in -- 1200 YFS handful of TDs range.

RB3 I'd be all over him, but I highly doubt that's happening given the hype train that has surrounded him for two years now.
If offered the 1.06 for 2.01, Ellington and a 2016 first.

 
This thread has been great. I actually just sent out an offer to the Ellington owner in the league I don't own him in.
At what price?He was going as a RB1 (late 2nd / early 3rd) last year. Huge risky overpay there IMO.

As a RB2, not terrible IMO, but unlikely to offer big return, as that's about where I expect him to settle in -- 1200 YFS handful of TDs range.

RB3 I'd be all over him, but I highly doubt that's happening given the hype train that has surrounded him for two years now.
If offered the 1.06 for 2.01, Ellington and a 2016 first.
LOL -- so you want Ellington for free, then?

 
he went 2.07 in my 12 team ppr, last year --- rb10

don't know how accurate this will turn out to be, but it has him at ~rb20 in the 4th.
Ouch. I was very high on him and picked him at 4.05 of my startup last year. Should have gone WR, but I'm much better off than I'd be if I had taken one of similar RBs to where he went (Spiller, Stacy, Mathews).

 
This thread has been great. I actually just sent out an offer to the Ellington owner in the league I don't own him in.
At what price?He was going as a RB1 (late 2nd / early 3rd) last year. Huge risky overpay there IMO.

As a RB2, not terrible IMO, but unlikely to offer big return, as that's about where I expect him to settle in -- 1200 YFS handful of TDs range.

RB3 I'd be all over him, but I highly doubt that's happening given the hype train that has surrounded him for two years now.
If offered the 1.06 for 2.01, Ellington and a 2016 first.
LOL -- so you want Ellington for free, then?
Sure. FWIW I think there is a huge dropoff after 6.

 
Sabertooth said:
Carter_Can_Fly said:
The problem is we still don't know who Ellington really is.

Personally I think Ellington is a timeshare guy and not a guy you feature in the NFL. His coach seems to agree. I think people saw him flash some good things and figured they have found a gem and maybe a guy what would find his way into being a very good all around back that would produce RB 1 numbers.

The problem now is you have an average player that had a couple of nice plays and games that inflated his overall value. Now you have three sides to this player. A side that said from day 1 that he was not capable of being a work horse RB (which seems to be the case). And another side that says he still can be a guy that gets the lion share of touches and be really good (which seems to be a long shot). And the third and final side that says he can be a good RB 2 especially in ppr leagues where he will still get enough pieces of the pie to be good.

I tend to draft higher upside guys as my RB2, but he could be a nice guy you pair with a stud RB1.
Um, that's exactly what he did through three months last season until his season was cut short. Curse your lying eyes if you want to, but it's a fact. Before he got hurt in Week 13, he was RB9 - right on Eddie Lacy's heels. Not sure what kind of upside you are looking for but that's pretty ####### good for a guy who played the first 6 weeks on a bum wheel.

He was RB19 last season after MISSING THE LAST MONTH OF THE SEASON! That's not in PPG, that's total points.
Here is the thing. First you are making excuses by claiming injury as to why he struggled. Are you going to give other unproven RB's a pass for playing with injuries as well? It is not as if Ellington is a guy coming off a few straight years of being productive only to fall off. He has had one good half season. Even Stacy had a good run of games in the NFL.

And 2 you are walking a fine line trying to claim Ellington was "right there" with the RB1 types. Let us look at the numbers more closely.

You can claim Ellington was on Lacy's heels however, let us delve into the numbers more. Let us use point per game as an example to compare who Ellington was actually in a tier with last year. Ppg will give Ellington a pass for missing the last month of the season with injury and even make it more clear to who he really was.

Lacy finished with almost 3 fantasy points per game more than Ellington last year. Lacy (who is an actual RB1 type) was only RB 6 in my league. Lynch who was RB 5 in my league finished with 5 fantasy points per game more a week than Ellington. Forte had 6, Foster had 7, Murray and Bell had 8 fantasy points per game more than Ellington on a weekly basis.

Now, Ellington's ppg was good for RB13 in my league. As stated Lacy's 3 ppg more than Ellington does not seem like that large of a spread but in actuality it really is.

Let's find RB's that finished only 2 fantasy points per game behind Ellington. The list includes Joique Bell, Matt Asiata, Lamar Miller, Ronnie Hillman, Alfred Morris, Jeremy Hill, Rashaad Jennings, Fred Jackson, Darren Sproles, Trey Mason, Jonathan Steweart and Ryan Matthews.

Now once again. Ellington was not a RB1 last year and even had he finished as RB 11 or 10 last year there was not much of an advantage with the other guys in that tier.

When I talk of RB1's I view guys that will give you an advantage. As I said Ellington would have been good to pair with a RB1 much as the case with the other RB's in that same tier as Ellignton.

 
Just a hunch, but I too think he's a buy low. Who they pick up and his health are the key factors of course, but you could see the guy limping and wincing during games yet staying on the field. And there were enough "wow" plays where he showed explosiveness even with the injury. Before last year most thought DeMarco Murry unreliable and overrated, he turned into the best with one healthy year. I don't see that kind of upside for Ellington but if healthy, RB1 for sure. And top tier PPR. We'll see but he's a guy to keep an eye on and target for depth if the price is right.
ya, I don't think he practiced during the week nearly the entire year. He was a shell of himself.
I think that's a fair point, but also what a lot of people were expecting.

this year it'll be different?
what were a lot of people expecting...a foot injury in the preseason that would hamper him all year? You can't say it was a workload issue because it was before the season even started. Guys get injured, it happens.

He's a really talented back and if they had ANY kind of depth at all last year they probably would have shut him down but they were in a playoff race and he was still the best they had despite playing on one leg.
This.

 
Ok well now you are just moving the goal posts. Good talk.
Did not move them at all.

He did not finish as a RB1 even in ppg. You were the one claiming he was right there. By you claiming he was 'right there' you would have to include that list of other guys that were 'right there' too.

 
Ok well now you are just moving the goal posts. Good talk.
Did not move them at all.He did not finish as a RB1 even in ppg. You were the one claiming he was right there. By you claiming he was 'right there' you would have to include that list of other guys that were 'right there' too.
Well #13 is one outside of Rb1 so it kind of was 'right there'. He was injured but the heavy workload made up for it. It wasn't pretty at all and if you watched him he had zero burst. Contrast that to the prior year where I think he led the league in big plays. If he didn't get hurt he would've had a huge year but he did and it was ehhh. All you can do is read the situation and hope for the best and despite many not saying he'd be a workhorse back, he was. This year is a different year and we'll have to see shape up over the summer.

 
As an Ellington owner, I'm happy enough with how things have played out in the draft and FA. It's really been a best case scenario because I thought there was a good chance his value would be completely crushed this offseason. As things stand right now, it looks like he's in the high RB2 range in PPR and that's not bad.

 
As an Ellington owner, I'm happy enough with how things have played out in the draft and FA. It's really been a best case scenario because I thought there was a good chance his value would be completely crushed this offseason. As things stand right now, it looks like he's in the high RB2 range in PPR and that's not bad.
I agree. I think he's a high end RB2 with RB1 upside.

 

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