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I grabbed him late in a dynasty league, assuming he was going to be put on IR. Unfortunately, nothing going for him with the Chargers. Haven't seen him on the field, and I think he's been inactive every week. What do you guys think of his future long-term? Everyone said he was going to be a first-round pick until he got hurt, and the Chargers seem to specialize in drafting those guys and making them stars (heck, look at Cromartie, even though he was a first-round pick).

So... whatcha think?

 
I grabbed him late in a dynasty league, assuming he was going to be put on IR. Unfortunately, nothing going for him with the Chargers. Haven't seen him on the field, and I think he's been inactive every week. What do you guys think of his future long-term? Everyone said he was going to be a first-round pick until he got hurt, and the Chargers seem to specialize in drafting those guys and making them stars (heck, look at Cromartie, even though he was a first-round pick).

So... whatcha think?
Sorry, I have to pick and choose my spots early in the week with all the other FBG stuff happening. I can't confirm that Waters has been inactive every week without double-checking, but I believe you're correct. I'm just going to cut/paste my blurb on Siler/Waters from this week's column, since I would just have paraphrased it anyway.

Anthony Waters/Brandon Siler (SD) – Waters couldn’t get out of training camp with his surgically repaired knee fully healthy and has only in recent weeks been able to practice at something close to full speed. In the meantime, fellow rookie Brandon Siler has made an impression on special teams and the defensive coaching staff. Neither was ready to fill in for an injured Matt Wilhelm earlier in the year. Both players are worth watching. Those of you who roster backups based on talent should target Waters, who could’ve been a first or second round talent before his injury. Those who would rather have the player currently ahead on the depth chart should grab Siler. With Wilhelm yet to prove himself durable or an impact player, either could force himself into the lineup with a great offseason.

There was a note last week that suggested that Waters was able to get through a harder week of practice. If he can prove himself a special teams value, we might see him active. Otherwise, we may not get much more information until 2008 OTAs.

 
Small blurb on July 13th from PFW

Chargers coaches and players have been raving about second-year LB Anthony Waters this offseason. A torn ACL cost Waters his entire rookie season, but the third-round pick spent time learning the defense and now is ready to contribute. With LB Stephen Cooper having been suspended for the first four games of '08, Waters figures to see a lot of playing time early.
 
Anthony Borbely said:
I think Waters is the most talented inside LB on the Chargers roster. I'm anxious to see him play now that he is healthy.
:rolleyes: Charger fans are prety excited about him. If he can produce for those 4 games.....Cooper might not get back on the field...ETA..Although I felt similar to Dobbins and we know how that turned out...lol..
 
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Siler getting some love today :confused: I have both so....

(Rotoworld) The Chargers are convinced that second-year LB Brandon Siler is "bound for stardom," according to SI.com's Don Banks.

Analysis: Siler fell to the seventh round in 2007 over attitude concerns, but made a big impact on special teams as a rookie. His role could expand on defense as a sophomore with ILB Stephen Cooper suspended the first four games.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writ...tml?eref=si_nfl

 
Siler getting some love today :lol: I have both so....

(Rotoworld) The Chargers are convinced that second-year LB Brandon Siler is "bound for stardom," according to SI.com's Don Banks.

Analysis: Siler fell to the seventh round in 2007 over attitude concerns, but made a big impact on special teams as a rookie. His role could expand on defense as a sophomore with ILB Stephen Cooper suspended the first four games.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writ...tml?eref=si_nfl
This may be true, but I will wait to see it from a more reliable source before I take it as gospel.
 
Anthony Borbely said:
Siler getting some love today :shrug: I have both so....

(Rotoworld) The Chargers are convinced that second-year LB Brandon Siler is "bound for stardom," according to SI.com's Don Banks.

Analysis: Siler fell to the seventh round in 2007 over attitude concerns, but made a big impact on special teams as a rookie. His role could expand on defense as a sophomore with ILB Stephen Cooper suspended the first four games.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writ...tml?eref=si_nfl
This may be true, but I will wait to see it from a more reliable source before I take it as gospel.
No one is more reliable than Sports Illustrated. :hifive:
 
Another Waters article.

'07 draftee Waters sat out rookie year

By Kevin Acee

UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

July 21, 2008

Not a rookie and not a veteran but something in between, Anthony Waters finally will be set loose this week.

Rookies, quarterbacks and players coming off injury will practice for the first time this morning at Chargers Park in advance of the official start of training camp on Friday.

Waters won't be practicing today, because there was nothing medically wrong with him at the end of last season, and he technically has a year of experience in the NFL.

But with Waters having never played a game and not having been entirely healthy in 2007, this training camp will be the first time he can really begin to prove himself.

Waters will be one of the most intriguing figures in this Chargers training camp because of that idleness, because his role could be enhanced early by the four-game suspension fellow linebacker Stephen Cooper will serve in September, and because he just might be scary good.

“I am so ready,” Waters said recently. “It was hard watching last year and wanting to be a part of it. It's very frustrating. You want to be out there, but you know you're not 100 percent. I did everything except play.”

A torn anterior cruciate ligament in the first game of his senior season at Clemson dried up expectations of being a first-round pick, but Waters worked hard to ready himself for a pro day workout. The Chargers took a chance on him in the 2007 draft's third round, and Waters expected to be healthy enough to see game action last season. The Chargers, too, held out hope for a while, though Waters was always considered a project.

Ultimately, his knee and the team's depth at inside linebacker kept him inactive all season. He practiced daily, went to every meeting and studied film but never dressed for a game.

There is a difference between being able to get through a practice and being able to play at NFL speed and NFL strength on Sundays.

“I didn't have any limitations in practice,” Waters said. “But I was still hobbling around, sore at times. My knee was having its days. I didn't get healthy until about the midpoint of the season. I did everything I had to do in practice and the weight room. I had to mentally prepare myself in practice. At one point they were talking about letting me play. I had to stay focused.

“I really, really wanted to play, but there was something inside of me telling me, 'No. Just be patient and wait.' ”

An ACL at less than full strength limits a player's starting and stopping ability.

“Certain plays, I knew I could have made a play, but trying to get my knee going, it just wouldn't,” Waters said. “I wanted to do it, but my knee wouldn't let me get that turnover, that speed I needed.”

During workouts in the spring, Waters showed how much progress he has made – mentally and physically.

“He's starting to show what we thought he would,” inside linebackers coach Ron Rivera said last week. “He's a big body (6-3, 238) that can run. That's one of the things he impressed us with in minicamp. He ran really well.”

Said coach Norv Turner: “I see him as fully recovered. He's got a lot better understanding of what we're asking him to do. I'm excited to see him playing in preseason games. I think he's one of the guys that really gets going when the action starts.”

The memory is still there for those who saw Waters play in two exhibition games last year of a kid who liked to bash and was good at it.

“I was impressed with Anthony when he played in the preseason with how aggressive he is,” Turner said. “And he was far from 100 percent.”

Now, with a year of seeing what is required of an NFL player and learning the Chargers defense, Waters is demonstrating signs that he could be a future starter. Perhaps that won't be this season, but someday soon. And his presence will provide not only depth but pressure.

“There are starters who are going to feel the heat from young guys,” Rivera said.

Waters is ready.

“It's still like being a rookie all over again,” he said. “I haven't played since the preseason. It's starting all over, but I have a head start on the playbook, so I feel a little more comfortable in the defense.”
 
Another Waters article.

'07 draftee Waters sat out rookie year

By Kevin Acee

UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

July 21, 2008

Not a rookie and not a veteran but something in between, Anthony Waters finally will be set loose this week.

Rookies, quarterbacks and players coming off injury will practice for the first time this morning at Chargers Park in advance of the official start of training camp on Friday.

Waters won't be practicing today, because there was nothing medically wrong with him at the end of last season, and he technically has a year of experience in the NFL.

But with Waters having never played a game and not having been entirely healthy in 2007, this training camp will be the first time he can really begin to prove himself.

Waters will be one of the most intriguing figures in this Chargers training camp because of that idleness, because his role could be enhanced early by the four-game suspension fellow linebacker Stephen Cooper will serve in September, and because he just might be scary good.

“I am so ready,” Waters said recently. “It was hard watching last year and wanting to be a part of it. It's very frustrating. You want to be out there, but you know you're not 100 percent. I did everything except play.”

A torn anterior cruciate ligament in the first game of his senior season at Clemson dried up expectations of being a first-round pick, but Waters worked hard to ready himself for a pro day workout. The Chargers took a chance on him in the 2007 draft's third round, and Waters expected to be healthy enough to see game action last season. The Chargers, too, held out hope for a while, though Waters was always considered a project.

Ultimately, his knee and the team's depth at inside linebacker kept him inactive all season. He practiced daily, went to every meeting and studied film but never dressed for a game.

There is a difference between being able to get through a practice and being able to play at NFL speed and NFL strength on Sundays.

“I didn't have any limitations in practice,” Waters said. “But I was still hobbling around, sore at times. My knee was having its days. I didn't get healthy until about the midpoint of the season. I did everything I had to do in practice and the weight room. I had to mentally prepare myself in practice. At one point they were talking about letting me play. I had to stay focused.

“I really, really wanted to play, but there was something inside of me telling me, 'No. Just be patient and wait.' ”

An ACL at less than full strength limits a player's starting and stopping ability.

“Certain plays, I knew I could have made a play, but trying to get my knee going, it just wouldn't,” Waters said. “I wanted to do it, but my knee wouldn't let me get that turnover, that speed I needed.”

During workouts in the spring, Waters showed how much progress he has made – mentally and physically.

“He's starting to show what we thought he would,” inside linebackers coach Ron Rivera said last week. “He's a big body (6-3, 238) that can run. That's one of the things he impressed us with in minicamp. He ran really well.”

Said coach Norv Turner: “I see him as fully recovered. He's got a lot better understanding of what we're asking him to do. I'm excited to see him playing in preseason games. I think he's one of the guys that really gets going when the action starts.”

The memory is still there for those who saw Waters play in two exhibition games last year of a kid who liked to bash and was good at it.

“I was impressed with Anthony when he played in the preseason with how aggressive he is,” Turner said. “And he was far from 100 percent.”

Now, with a year of seeing what is required of an NFL player and learning the Chargers defense, Waters is demonstrating signs that he could be a future starter. Perhaps that won't be this season, but someday soon. And his presence will provide not only depth but pressure.

“There are starters who are going to feel the heat from young guys,” Rivera said.

Waters is ready.

“It's still like being a rookie all over again,” he said. “I haven't played since the preseason. It's starting all over, but I have a head start on the playbook, so I feel a little more comfortable in the defense.”
Lots of competition there with Siler, Derek Smith, Dobbins. I dont see waters playing a big role yet, but I would certainly hold him for Dynasty purposes.
 
Waters Will Miss 2-3 Weeks of Camp After Scope

Waters left knee, the same one that caused him to miss his senior season and put him on the shelf his rookie year, was scoped. I know the article says that it's routine but a 23-year old kid with a torn ACL and two knee surgeries before he even makes a play in a regular season NFL game isn't a player that I'm going to use a roster spot on. I've stopped drinking the Kool-Aid . . .

 
Waters Will Miss 2-3 Weeks of Camp After Scope

Waters left knee, the same one that caused him to miss his senior season and put him on the shelf his rookie year, was scoped. I know the article says that it's routine but a 23-year old kid with a torn ACL and two knee surgeries before he even makes a play in a regular season NFL game isn't a player that I'm going to use a roster spot on. I've stopped drinking the Kool-Aid . . .
Owner here... :rolleyes:

 
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Read the entire article. It is not as bad as people think.

Link

Waters to miss time

Second-year linebacker Anthony Waters will miss the first 2-3 weeks of training camp after undergoing an arthroscopic procedure on his knee last Friday.

“He had just a little bit of a twinge,” Turner said. “They looked at it and felt it needed to be done. We’d rather do it now than hope he can get through and then do it in three weeks and have him miss (time). If we’re lucky, he’ll get a week of practice before the first preseason game and be ready for that.”

The operation was conducted on Waters’ left knee, the same one that caused him to miss his senior season at Clemson. The procedure was routine and the Chargers expect him back on the field early in camp.

Waters has an opportunity to compete for a starting job at the “Mike” linebacker position while Stephen Cooper serves a four-game suspension at the beginning of the season.
 
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Does anyone have any information about how the middle linebacker battle is going for San Diego right now? With Cooper suspended does Anthony Waters have a chance in heaven of seeing the playing field? I have him in a dynasty league (at a very cheap price) but I don't know if he is just a :thumbup: waste of a roster spot....

 
I don't know why this guy is my pet project this year...

Anthony Waters-LB- Chargers Aug. 4 - 11:42 pm et Chargers ILB Anthony Waters (knee surgery) returned to practice on Monday.He'll play in the preseason opener. Waters is behind in his bid against Derek Smith to start while Stephen Cooper is suspended, but some big exhibition efforts could change that. Waters brings a lot more potential to the table.Source: chargers.com
 
I don't know why this guy is my pet project this year...

Anthony Waters-LB- Chargers Aug. 4 - 11:42 pm et Chargers ILB Anthony Waters (knee surgery) returned to practice on Monday.He'll play in the preseason opener. Waters is behind in his bid against Derek Smith to start while Stephen Cooper is suspended, but some big exhibition efforts could change that. Waters brings a lot more potential to the table.Source: chargers.com
I was not expecting him back this soon after his surgery. I am definitely interested in seeing him play. In my opinion, he is clearly the most talented inside LB on the Chargers. I am really high on Waters long-term.
 
Okay, I drank the Waters coolaid.

Here I was expecting to see him show up early this year with cooper suspended, but instead he was on the inactive list.

I am totally perplexed and will likely drop him soon.

Is there anyone still thinking this guy will come on strong?

 
Okay, I drank the Waters coolaid.Here I was expecting to see him show up early this year with cooper suspended, but instead he was on the inactive list. I am totally perplexed and will likely drop him soon.Is there anyone still thinking this guy will come on strong?
I still have him on a couple of teams, but it certainly isn't looking good. He hasn't even been active this year.
 
Good question - I'm close to ready to give up on the guy, but I think his *potential* talent level is significantly higher than any ILB on San Diego. I mean, this guy is better than Matt Wilhelm, Tim Dobbins, Brandon Siler, Derek Smith... right?

 
Good question - I'm close to ready to give up on the guy, but I think his *potential* talent level is significantly higher than any ILB on San Diego. I mean, this guy is better than Matt Wilhelm, Tim Dobbins, Brandon Siler, Derek Smith... right?
I went back and read predraft scouting reports on A. Waters> Yes he is very athletic (so is Brandon Siler) but the report seemed to indicate that he lacks great instincts and more importantly, sound tackling fundamentals. I think athleticism can easily make an LB overrated because the other more intangible stuff should be learned. But it doesn't always work out that way.
 
Good question - I'm close to ready to give up on the guy, but I think his *potential* talent level is significantly higher than any ILB on San Diego. I mean, this guy is better than Matt Wilhelm, Tim Dobbins, Brandon Siler, Derek Smith... right?
Apparently not. Dobbins and Smith have both been seeing regular snaps in the base defense over the past two weeks. Special teams talent aside, that's a major red flag for his future.
 
Well, I'm dropping him and waiting till he shows up on the field.

In the meantime, Dobbins is splitting time with Wilhelm, maybe he's the sleeper we should be rostering instead of Waters.

For those not in the know, Dobbins was a MLB stud at Iowa State and put up huge tackle numbers. Granted he was on the field a lot and the quality of teammates was down, but nonetheless he often showed up huge.

 
Good question - I'm close to ready to give up on the guy, but I think his *potential* talent level is significantly higher than any ILB on San Diego. I mean, this guy is better than Matt Wilhelm, Tim Dobbins, Brandon Siler, Derek Smith... right?
Apparently not. Dobbins and Smith have both been seeing regular snaps in the base defense over the past two weeks. Special teams talent aside, that's a major red flag for his future.
Jene do you think Dobbins has any dynasty value? He looked pretty good in limited snaps.
 
Good question - I'm close to ready to give up on the guy, but I think his *potential* talent level is significantly higher than any ILB on San Diego. I mean, this guy is better than Matt Wilhelm, Tim Dobbins, Brandon Siler, Derek Smith... right?
Apparently not. Dobbins and Smith have both been seeing regular snaps in the base defense over the past two weeks. Special teams talent aside, that's a major red flag for his future.
Jene do you think Dobbins has any dynasty value? He looked pretty good in limited snaps.
Some value. Until the Chargers commit to one of those guys as a long term option (as they did with Cooper and Wilhelm and now Tucker), I'm not ready to anoint anyone a big value. Certainly would seem to have the upper hand on Waters right now and has played well enough to earn more snaps with every passing week.
 

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