Anti-maskers, can we talk about why? (1 Viewer)

[Hankmoody]

Wrong, that's not what I think.  I was answering a direct question. But thanks for your condescending lecture.  FOH. 

It's what you said..  Those posts were about it not protecting you and that you wore it "to make others comfortable".  You also wrongly said that spreaders are symptomatic and that if you have no symptoms that means you can't spread it so why wear the mask?  That's patently wrong, and it's the exact reason you should be wearing it - not to make me comfortable, you can do that by staying far far away from me - but to protect others should you have it but not be showing symptoms.  It may be a few days before the symptoms manifest, or before people are willing to admit to themselves they have appropriate symptoms.  Some people may never show significant enough symptoms, there are tons of stories of people having antibodies despite never having symptoms.

 

[dkp993]

While I acknowledge the upper Midwest is more intelligent than most parts of the country, I dont see a high percentage of people who wear them incorrectly. Are they out there? Of course. But I think the amount of people doing it is a bit overblown. 

I see it all the time.  Below the nose, neck mask, see it all the time.

Early on, I was in a Target waiting for someone to get something from an aisle, giving them their room, but what I wanted was next to where they were standing.  They were taking forever, and it was the last thing I needed, so I went up next to her and grabbed what I wanted.  She actually took her mask down off her face to say something to me.  There are plenty of stupid people up here too.

My wife is a born and raised Minnesotan (she’s there right now on vacation). I’ve never understood the “Midwest” thing.  They’re not west and certainly not of the “mid”. They are east of the “mid”. Therefore I always call them the Middle East (she, rightly so, hates when I do).  . But I digress....

As I mentioned she’s there now.  We live in So-Cal and she’s saying the lack of use of masks there vs here is shocking. 

 

[parasaurolophus]

My wife is a born and raised Minnesotan (she’s there right now on vacation). I’ve never understood the “Midwest” thing.  They’re not west and certainly not of the “mid”. They are east of the “mid”. Therefore I always call them the Middle East (she, rightly so, hates when I do).  . But I digress....

As I mentioned she’s there now.  We live in So-Cal and she’s saying the lack of use of masks there vs here is shocking. 

I thought mask wearing was bad where I live in WI. I just spent five days in Blaine , MN and I couldn't believe how few I saw. 

 

[dkp993]

lol at the lady at a mask protest, wearing a mask.... tucked under her chin.... while she yells at someone.

and this guy:

"A dad who spoke after her said he, too, doesn’t think the masks are effective, and said he’s pulling his kids out of school this fall if the state doesn’t lift its mandate requiring all K-12 students to wear a face covering."

we're totally ####ed

I was at Home Depot this past weekend, in our area face mask usage is damn near 100% went out and about. In the Home Depot everybody was wearing a face mask.. So I’m standing in line and the line is pretty long I’m about a halfway down the aisle. These two older gentleman, 60s or so, are walking buy and ask the guy in front of me if they can reach the wood that’s on the other side of him. The guy in front of me was in his 30s is wearing a face mask and says “yes but can you give me some space”. The two older guys, who’s face masks are hanging around their neck, looked a little bit confused.  The guy in front of me who’s wearing a face mask says “you’re standing a little close and you don’t have your face mask on”. The two older men get very aggressive and start screaming about facemasks not being in effective or needed, all while wearing facemasks around their neck mind you.  The situation got pretty heated and I thought for a moment they were going to come to blows. Ultimately they didn’t but the absurdity of the whole thing had me shaking my head. 

 

[Cjw_55106]

I see it all the time.  Below the nose, neck mask, see it all the time.

Early on, I was in a Target waiting for someone to get something from an aisle, giving them their room, but what I wanted was next to where they were standing.  They were taking forever, and it was the last thing I needed, so I went up next to her and grabbed what I wanted.  She actually took her mask down off her face to say something to me.  There are plenty of stupid people up here too.

Have I mentioned how awesome we are at detecting sarcasm as well? 

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I thought mask wearing was bad where I live in WI. I just spent five days in Blaine , MN and I couldn't believe how few I saw. 

And you didn't even stop in to say 'Hi!'? 

 

[parasaurolophus]

And you didn't even stop in to say 'Hi!'? 

Sorry. I should have. Was bored out of my mind. 

Highlight of my trip was finding that Firestone Walker has distribution in MN. Top ten Liquors FTW. 

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Sorry. I should have. Was bored out of my mind. 

Highlight of my trip was finding that Firestone Walker has distribution in MN. Top ten Liquors FTW. 

Yep. That's Blaine. 

 

[facook]

It's what you said..  Those posts were about it not protecting you and that you wore it "to make others comfortable".  You also wrongly said that spreaders are symptomatic and that if you have no symptoms that means you can't spread it so why wear the mask?  That's patently wrong, and it's the exact reason you should be wearing it - not to make me comfortable, you can do that by staying far far away from me - but to protect others should you have it but not be showing symptoms.  It may be a few days before the symptoms manifest, or before people are willing to admit to themselves they have appropriate symptoms.  Some people may never show significant enough symptoms, there are tons of stories of people having antibodies despite never having symptoms.

Don't worry, I'll be staying far far away from you.  Also much of what you are convinced it true was not true just weeks ago.  Have fun keeping up with the moving goalposts.

 

[lakerstan]

I would rather wear a mask than a necktie, so I guess I am an anti-tie-er?

Oh - and I want to wear shorts rather than pants. 

In fact, I'm sure that somewhere in my constitutional rights I can walk around with my twig and berries out.

DON'T TREAD ON MY TWIG AND BERRIES.

 

[skol asylum]

This sums it up...

https://photos.app.goo.gl/VS1in14Gwg8HkuP58

 

[Galileo]

It seems people are marketing and wearing "masks" that are ridiculous simply to avoid fines

Exhibit A

Exhibit B

 

[skol asylum]

I've heard it...usually something along the lines of "God will look out for me" or "part of God's plan".

Tell them God sent them Tony Faucci in a boat but they refused to leave the roof of their flooding house because Trump said it's not even raining.

 

[gianmarco]

Where does it hurt?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

It seems people are marketing and wearing "masks" that are ridiculous simply to avoid fines

Exhibit A

Exhibit B

That's REALLY dumb. I loathe juvenile behavior.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

I wear my mask at indoor public places like grocery store, target etc...  I definitely don’t wear a mask at outdoor public places like the park or just out riding my bike. Makes no sense to wear them outside. What’s really silly are the folks wearing them in their cars.

This dynamic bugs me a lot.  I wear my mask in my car for several reasons.  I manage a retail store where we practice distancing, have a strict mask policy, and have very strict sanitation protocols. Not only do we deep clean every day--we use UV sterlization several times a week.  With that said--I take care of my 80 year old diabetic mother--- and one or twice a week--I'll take her on a drive with the same car that I'm driving to and from work. I deal with dozens of clients a day at work.   Even though I'm careful--there is a chance that I could have the virus and be asymptomatic and not know.  Do I want to risk shedding the virus in the same vehicle that I use to transport my elderly mother?   People shouldn't be shamed for being "too careful" just because you might not be aware of their situation. 

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Where does it hurt?

Condoms protect, why doesn't every man wear one? 

 

[wlwiles]

This dynamic bugs me a lot.  I wear my mask in my car for several reasons.  I manage a retail store where we practice distancing, have a strict mask policy, and have very strict sanitation protocols. Not only do we deep clean every day--we use UV sterlization several times a week.  With that said--I take care of my 80 year old diabetic mother--- and one or twice a week--I'll take her on a drive with the same car that I'm driving to and from work. I deal with dozens of clients a day at work.   Even though I'm careful--there is a chance that I could have the virus and be asymptomatic and not know.  Do I want to risk shedding the virus in the same vehicle that I use to transport my elderly mother?   People shouldn't be shamed for being "too careful" just because you might not be aware of their situation. 

THANK YOU!  One of the things that was drilled into us from the get-go with wearing masks is "don't touch the outside of your mask".  If you're running errands, a mailman, making frequent stops, in and out of your vehicle a lot, or any number of things, it's much safer to just put the mask on and leave it on rather than on/off multiple times per day. 

 

[skol asylum]

Condoms protect, why doesn't every man wear one? 

Let us know when it's legal to run around in public with your schlong out and penetrating everyone around you.

 

[Lehigh98]

Oh and while we are piling on, I think all emotional support dogs should be banned from every indoor area, especially during the pandemic. I am allergic to almost all pets like cats and dogs

Then if you don't feel safe you should just stay at home.  The colonists defeated the Germans after they bombed Pearl Harbor just so all of us could have the freedom to walk our dogs wherever and whenever we want.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Let us know when it's legal to run around in public with your schlong out and penetrating everyone around you.

I'd heard it was today. Turns out that was NOT true.

Trust but verify, people.

 

[General Malaise]

Condoms protect, why doesn't every man wear one? 

Still trolling after twenty years.  Man......

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Still trolling after twenty years.  Man......

Never @gianmarco I was simply saying there are many things people opt not to do that would protect them and everyone around them. 

1:3 drivers in Florida has no auto insurance. Let's start there. 

Motorcycle helmets, seatbelts, busted taillights causing accidents

Poor choices when better safer options are readily available like fresh fruit vs Twinkies, causing long term health issues which impact folks ability to beat these viruses. 

Some people wear sunscreen and others choose not to. 

Now get back 6 feet, please.

 

[skol asylum]

Never @gianmarco I was simply saying there are many things people opt not to do that would protect them and everyone around them. 

1:3 drivers in Florida has no auto insurance. Let's start there. 

Motorcycle helmets, seatbelts, busted taillights causing accidents

Poor choices when better safer options are readily available like fresh fruit vs Twinkies, causing long term health issues which impact folks ability to beat these viruses. 

Some people wear sunscreen and others choose not to. 

Now get back 6 feet, please.

Most of those things you mention are for self protection. Masks are to protect others. It's an issue of harming your neighbor. Totally different when it comes to mandates.

 

[Shoot_Me_Now]

(Disclaimer - I hope Trump loses every state. Feel like that needs to be said before being pegged muh MAGA)

As a young healthy adult I wear a mask if required but not if it isn't. Does that make me anti-mask? This is probably less of an anti-mask reasoning and more of anti-overreaction considering what we value as a nation. This isnt necessarily to downplay the seriousness of corona. 

My reasoning is why now? Why do we suddenly care so much about every death with this virus? Sure its worse than the flu but what amount of deaths are we ok with before going on this mask/lockdown crusade? 3x the flu, 5x, 10x? 

We don't care about health in this nation. The follow the science crowd has been ignoring the science in terms of health risks with being overweight or obese for years. We're even trained to not just ignore the health risks of being overweight but embrace the inner beauty of overweight people or "plus size models are sexy too." 

Now absolutely being overweight is personal and not contagious like a virus. But like so many other things, corona seems to have an effect on the overweight more than the person that takes care of their body. How many deaths wouldn't have happened from corona if we were a healthy nation? How many less hospitalizations would we have had? Would length of hospital visits be down? I'll see a headline of "30 year old dies from corona" and when I click the link sure enough the person was 50-100 lbs overweight. That doesn't make it less tragic im just saying we don't care about our health as a nation and a narrative is even pushed to make it rude to encourage anyone to take control of their health. I'm considered a jerk if I dont mask up and a jerk if I tell someone they may want to start eating healthier/exercise. Will we actually care about our health after something like this that way our bodies have a better chance of fighting off the next virus? Will headlines read "100 lb overweight man dies of heart attack" like the current "man goes to covid party, gets covid" headlines read today? I doubt it. 

How many athletes have tested postive for this now? How many died? How many even required a hospital visit? Its almost as if taking care of yourself pays dividends in the health department when unwanted viruses come along. Yes I know some young perfectly healthy people have had bad outcomes but thats life with any virus. The odds are in your favor if you're healthy but we don't care.  

The collective personal decisions as a nation to ignore the health risks of being overweight make a virus like this worse than what it is. Other than the elderly, would this have caused mass panic if we were healthy or would it have just been considered a bad bug? If NYC didn't blunder their LTC facility response and we were a healthy nation, would we even be having this discussion?

Now we got to mask up and treat those that don't like criminals? Fine but what exactly are the goals here? When does it end? When it is completely gone? When the median age of death is 85 instead of 80? Its just vague "slow the spread" and "in this together" slogans. Once corona passes will we be cool with 50k flu deaths a year again and stay overwhelmingly overweight as a country? Will a bad flu season put us back into our bubbles? What is the threshold? 

Suddenly I'm supposed to make it my objective to care about everyone's health in a nation that 70% of adults don't care enough about their own health and the other 30% have minor corona risk even if they got it? (Ignoring our 70+ age demo here)Tell me why? Just to feel like I'm doing something? In a nation that overwhelmingly ignores the science of health and fitness, I'm supposed to be a mask crusader in the name of health science? 

 

[Tool]

(Disclaimer - I hope Trump loses every state. Feel like that needs to be said before being pegged muh MAGA)

As a young healthy adult I wear a mask if required but not if it isn't. Does that make me anti-mask? This is probably less of an anti-mask reasoning and more of anti-overreaction considering what we value as a nation. This isnt necessarily to downplay the seriousness of corona. 

My reasoning is why now? Why do we suddenly care so much about every death with this virus? Sure its worse than the flu but what amount of deaths are we ok with before going on this mask/lockdown crusade? 3x the flu, 5x, 10x? 

We don't care about health in this nation. The follow the science crowd has been ignoring the science in terms of health risks with being overweight or obese for years. We're even trained to not just ignore the health risks of being overweight but embrace the inner beauty of overweight people or "plus size models are sexy too." 

Now absolutely being overweight is personal and not contagious like a virus. But like so many other things, corona seems to have an effect on the overweight more than the person that takes care of their body. How many deaths wouldn't have happened from corona if we were a healthy nation? How many less hospitalizations would we have had? Would length of hospital visits be down? I'll see a headline of "30 year old dies from corona" and when I click the link sure enough the person was 50-100 lbs overweight. That doesn't make it less tragic im just saying we don't care about our health as a nation and a narrative is even pushed to make it rude to encourage anyone to take control of their health. I'm considered a jerk if I dont mask up and a jerk if I tell someone they may want to start eating healthier/exercise. Will we actually care about our health after something like this that way our bodies have a better chance of fighting off the next virus? Will headlines read "100 lb overweight man dies of heart attack" like the current "man goes to covid party, gets covid" headlines read today? I doubt it. 

How many athletes have tested postive for this now? How many died? How many even required a hospital visit? Its almost as if taking care of yourself pays dividends in the health department when unwanted viruses come along. Yes I know some young perfectly healthy people have had bad outcomes but thats life with any virus. The odds are in your favor if you're healthy but we don't care.  

The collective personal decisions as a nation to ignore the health risks of being overweight make a virus like this worse than what it is. Other than the elderly, would this have caused mass panic if we were healthy or would it have just been considered a bad bug? If NYC didn't blunder their LTC facility response and we were a healthy nation, would we even be having this discussion?

Now we got to mask up and treat those that don't like criminals? Fine but what exactly are the goals here? When does it end? When it is completely gone? When the median age of death is 85 instead of 80? Its just vague "slow the spread" and "in this together" slogans. Once corona passes will we be cool with 50k flu deaths a year again and stay overwhelmingly overweight as a country? Will a bad flu season put us back into our bubbles? What is the threshold? 

Suddenly I'm supposed to make it my objective to care about everyone's health in a nation that 70% of adults don't care enough about their own health and the other 30% have minor corona risk even if they got it? (Ignoring our 70+ age demo here)Tell me why? Just to feel like I'm doing something? In a nation that overwhelmingly ignores the science of health and fitness, I'm supposed to be a mask crusader in the name of health science? 

Just wear a mask if indoors or you can’t social distance, for the most part it’s a small part of your day. 

 

[mr. furley]

My reasoning is why now? Why do we suddenly care so much about every death with this virus?

because of the transmission rate, because of the unpredictability and unknown nature of its immediate and long-term impacts.

left unchecked how many people would die globally?  based on the numbers we've seen so far.... if left unchecked 10 million? 20 million? more? 

nobody wants to die and particularly not because they watched a tsunami rolling in and said "why should i react now? what makes this wave different than any other?" you ####### run and you run fast to safety. you don't just stand there and declare it a hoax.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Most of those things you mention are for self protection. Masks are to protect others. It's an issue of harming your neighbor. 

Seatbelts and bike helmets are different from masks for that very reason.

 

[renesauz]

(Disclaimer - I hope Trump loses every state. Feel like that needs to be said before being pegged muh MAGA)

As a young healthy adult I wear a mask if required but not if it isn't. Does that make me anti-mask? This is probably less of an anti-mask reasoning and more of anti-overreaction considering what we value as a nation. This isnt necessarily to downplay the seriousness of corona. 

My reasoning is why now? Why do we suddenly care so much about every death with this virus? Sure its worse than the flu but what amount of deaths are we ok with before going on this mask/lockdown crusade? 3x the flu, 5x, 10x? 

We don't care about health in this nation. The follow the science crowd has been ignoring the science in terms of health risks with being overweight or obese for years. We're even trained to not just ignore the health risks of being overweight but embrace the inner beauty of overweight people or "plus size models are sexy too." 

Now absolutely being overweight is personal and not contagious like a virus. But like so many other things, corona seems to have an effect on the overweight more than the person that takes care of their body. How many deaths wouldn't have happened from corona if we were a healthy nation? How many less hospitalizations would we have had? Would length of hospital visits be down? I'll see a headline of "30 year old dies from corona" and when I click the link sure enough the person was 50-100 lbs overweight. That doesn't make it less tragic im just saying we don't care about our health as a nation and a narrative is even pushed to make it rude to encourage anyone to take control of their health. I'm considered a jerk if I dont mask up and a jerk if I tell someone they may want to start eating healthier/exercise. Will we actually care about our health after something like this that way our bodies have a better chance of fighting off the next virus? Will headlines read "100 lb overweight man dies of heart attack" like the current "man goes to covid party, gets covid" headlines read today? I doubt it. 

How many athletes have tested postive for this now? How many died? How many even required a hospital visit? Its almost as if taking care of yourself pays dividends in the health department when unwanted viruses come along. Yes I know some young perfectly healthy people have had bad outcomes but thats life with any virus. The odds are in your favor if you're healthy but we don't care.  

The collective personal decisions as a nation to ignore the health risks of being overweight make a virus like this worse than what it is. Other than the elderly, would this have caused mass panic if we were healthy or would it have just been considered a bad bug? If NYC didn't blunder their LTC facility response and we were a healthy nation, would we even be having this discussion?

Now we got to mask up and treat those that don't like criminals? Fine but what exactly are the goals here? When does it end? When it is completely gone? When the median age of death is 85 instead of 80? Its just vague "slow the spread" and "in this together" slogans. Once corona passes will we be cool with 50k flu deaths a year again and stay overwhelmingly overweight as a country? Will a bad flu season put us back into our bubbles? What is the threshold? 

Suddenly I'm supposed to make it my objective to care about everyone's health in a nation that 70% of adults don't care enough about their own health and the other 30% have minor corona risk even if they got it? (Ignoring our 70+ age demo here)Tell me why? Just to feel like I'm doing something? In a nation that overwhelmingly ignores the science of health and fitness, I'm supposed to be a mask crusader in the name of health science? 

I've personally seen lots of not overweight people die of this. If BMI is a factor, it's far from the biggest one.

If the bug simply killed 1% of those infected with the overwhelming majority of those elderly and/or with significant comorbidities (not long for this world even without corona) I'd probably share your nonchalance Unfortunately this isn't true. Most of my flu patients either die or are well on their way to recovery within 4 or 5 days of intubation. Most of my corona patients take a week or two before I know if they'll live or die, and another week or two before they leave me....to go to their maker or to rehab. Many survivors have significant long lasting damage....we don't see a lot of that with flu. The sick corona patients go into ARDS.....getting paralytics, proned, requiring ridiculous levels of sedatives....MUCH more difficult to treat and care for, for a longer period of time then flu patients. And I've seen this with some relatively young people without serious comorbidities, a couple with NO known comormidities.

Most of what you wrote here is true....obesity is a serious issue...it's just not very helpful right now, and I'm not so sure it's accurate. Being skinny is no protection from this thing

 

[DallasDMac]

I have no issues wearing one, but i have had trouble breathing through them at times.  Have lung issues from two PE's in 2009.     I was showing a home to clients yesterday and had to briefly take it off to get some air.

Two in the same year?? Is there an underlying blood condition? Complications fro surgery? Understand if you don't want to answer publicly. Two in a year is uber scary!

 

[DallasDMac]

(Disclaimer - I hope Trump loses every state. Feel like that needs to be said before being pegged muh MAGA)

As a young healthy adult I wear a mask if required but not if it isn't. Does that make me anti-mask? This is probably less of an anti-mask reasoning and more of anti-overreaction considering what we value as a nation. This isnt necessarily to downplay the seriousness of corona. 

Edit for brevity....

That's a lot of self-rationalization. Would have been much easier to just say "I don't want to wear one," which really is the issue here.

 

[Zegras11]

Two in the same year?? Is there an underlying blood condition? Complications fro surgery? Understand if you don't want to answer publicly. Two in a year is uber scary!

LOL. I was told there were two clots in my lungs.   Body naturally heals them and I'm on a thinner the rest of my life so they don't come back. Turned out to be a hereditary thing.

It was pretty scary. 90% blocked.  Doctor came in and didn't say anything but, "I've never seen a chart like this on a patient before."   10.5 years ago now.  Doing fine.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

(Disclaimer - I hope Trump loses every state. Feel like that needs to be said before being pegged muh MAGA)

As a young healthy adult I wear a mask if required but not if it isn't. Does that make me anti-mask? This is probably less of an anti-mask reasoning and more of anti-overreaction considering what we value as a nation. This isnt necessarily to downplay the seriousness of corona. 

My reasoning is why now? Why do we suddenly care so much about every death with this virus? Sure its worse than the flu but what amount of deaths are we ok with before going on this mask/lockdown crusade? 3x the flu, 5x, 10x? 

We don't care about health in this nation. The follow the science crowd has been ignoring the science in terms of health risks with being overweight or obese for years. We're even trained to not just ignore the health risks of being overweight but embrace the inner beauty of overweight people or "plus size models are sexy too." 

Now absolutely being overweight is personal and not contagious like a virus. But like so many other things, corona seems to have an effect on the overweight more than the person that takes care of their body. How many deaths wouldn't have happened from corona if we were a healthy nation? How many less hospitalizations would we have had? Would length of hospital visits be down? I'll see a headline of "30 year old dies from corona" and when I click the link sure enough the person was 50-100 lbs overweight. That doesn't make it less tragic im just saying we don't care about our health as a nation and a narrative is even pushed to make it rude to encourage anyone to take control of their health. I'm considered a jerk if I dont mask up and a jerk if I tell someone they may want to start eating healthier/exercise. Will we actually care about our health after something like this that way our bodies have a better chance of fighting off the next virus? Will headlines read "100 lb overweight man dies of heart attack" like the current "man goes to covid party, gets covid" headlines read today? I doubt it. 

How many athletes have tested postive for this now? How many died? How many even required a hospital visit? Its almost as if taking care of yourself pays dividends in the health department when unwanted viruses come along. Yes I know some young perfectly healthy people have had bad outcomes but thats life with any virus. The odds are in your favor if you're healthy but we don't care.  

The collective personal decisions as a nation to ignore the health risks of being overweight make a virus like this worse than what it is. Other than the elderly, would this have caused mass panic if we were healthy or would it have just been considered a bad bug? If NYC didn't blunder their LTC facility response and we were a healthy nation, would we even be having this discussion?

Now we got to mask up and treat those that don't like criminals? Fine but what exactly are the goals here? When does it end? When it is completely gone? When the median age of death is 85 instead of 80? Its just vague "slow the spread" and "in this together" slogans. Once corona passes will we be cool with 50k flu deaths a year again and stay overwhelmingly overweight as a country? Will a bad flu season put us back into our bubbles? What is the threshold? 

Suddenly I'm supposed to make it my objective to care about everyone's health in a nation that 70% of adults don't care enough about their own health and the other 30% have minor corona risk even if they got it? (Ignoring our 70+ age demo here)Tell me why? Just to feel like I'm doing something? In a nation that overwhelmingly ignores the science of health and fitness, I'm supposed to be a mask crusader in the name of health science? 

The main differences are 2 things.  People voluntarily neglecting their own health is one thing--but people compromising the health of others is a different thing.  If a company in your town was spewing toxic gasses in the air that made people sick--and you approached them about it--how would you feel if they said "hey--why should we stop releasing these gasses because 70% of you are not in great health anyway and people die everyday?"  .   

Secondly--do you understand that our healthcare system has limits or capacities?    The fact that we are an unhealthy nation to start with is MORE reason why we need to be even more diligent about stopping the spread of covid.  Our healthcare system can barely handle flu season and all of the other health ailments that you mention in your post.   When people have a laid back attitude about covid and the numbers spike--hospitalizations go up--and  our entire healthcare system gets compromised. Not enough medical personnel, not enough supplies, the quality of care across the board drops,  smaller health issues become serious ones because they get put on the back burner--and everybody suffers.  

Lastly--the longer this lasts--the more gyms, restaurants, bars, and small businesses in every neighborhood get compromised.  Last I checked--those businesses and establishments are the fabric of a community and are enjoyed by everybody--not just the people that neglect their health that you mention.   

 

[DallasDMac]

LOL. I was told there were two clots in my lungs.   Body naturally heals them and I'm on a thinner the rest of my life so they don't come back. Turned out to be a hereditary thing.

It was pretty scary. 90% blocked.  Doctor came in and didn't say anything but, "I've never seen a chart like this on a patient before."   10.5 years ago now.  Doing fine.

Awesome. I just had mine 5 weeks ago. I was pretty blocked. They went in with a catheter through the neck to blast the bigger ones. I tested negative for the blood condition so they basically said "we don't know why you have this." So I'll do my six months of thinners and see where I go from there. My Hematologist did test me for the hereditary thing but never contacted me in it so I assume that was negative.

Glad you are doing well now. Gives me hope for the future!

 

[Shoot_Me_Now]

That's a lot of self-rationalization. Would have been much easier to just say "I don't want to wear one," which really is the issue here.

I have no problem wearing one if its required. And it looks like we're all heading that way so I'd just prefer if it was a federal mandate at this point. My issue is the over reaction we've had to this thing. Three months ago? Sure. But we know more now and yet people are still treating this as if its a death sentence. Its time to take a deep breath to look at the data and relax a bit. If a median death age of 80 scares us that much then we have much more serious health crisis that we need to solve in this country instead of it being constantly ignored. Im not saying go out and have a bunch of orgies. And again, what are the goals? Whats the threshold? Its all vague. 

 

[Zegras11]

Awesome. I just had mine 5 weeks ago. I was pretty blocked. They went in with a catheter through the neck to blast the bigger ones. I tested negative for the blood condition so they basically said "we don't know why you have this." So I'll do my six months of thinners and see where I go from there. My Hematologist did test me for the hereditary thing but never contacted me in it so I assume that was negative.

Glad you are doing well now. Gives me hope for the future!

contact them asap...   After the doctor came in, they quickly wheeled me into the surgery room to insert a filter inside me.  That filter was to be taken out a month later.  The gal that put it in never called me.  It's still there.  Not a big deal as they did it that way for a long time.  GL!

 

[Mr.Pack]

I think maybe we just have more space in Texas period.  I can go to any of these places for the most part without ever being next to another person.

Certainly, if that is the case.. where a mask.

But then wash your hands... taking the mask off just put all that on you hands.

What are the best masks to buy and where do you find them nowadays?

 

[Captain Cranks]

Suddenly I'm supposed to make it my objective to care about everyone's health in a nation that 70% of adults don't care enough about their own health and the other 30% have minor corona risk even if they got it? (Ignoring our 70+ age demo here)Tell me why? Just to feel like I'm doing something? In a nation that overwhelmingly ignores the science of health and fitness, I'm supposed to be a mask crusader in the name of health science? 

It should be a law just like speed limits in residential neighborhoods.  Do you get bent out of shape for having to drive 25 mph on a backstreet where kids might be playing or do you realize the speed limit is there to protect others?  This isn't about health science.  It's about doing what you can to prevent unnecessary loss of life.  

 

[Shutout]

ummm...guys?

If you're breathing it out onto your own mask, you already have it. In which case touching your own face and/or mask really doesnt much matter re. your own health.

Al the "you'll touch your face more" statements just dont logically matter. If you let the crap out of your mouth freely, it's getting on all those surfaces anyway

The basic thought is that if ALL people wore a mask then anyone who had it would be far less likely to transmit it beyond their mask and a person wearing a mask would also be protected from receiving it, essentially doubling down on the transmission risk.  

However, people who don't wear a mask open themselves up to getting it more easily. Then they compound the risk by continuing not to wear a mask and then the next person is either half as protected (if wearing a mask) or zero protected if they think like the original person did who didn't protect themselves and then contracted it.

It's really very hard NOT to see how cooperation would go a long way in this thing, especially when you look at the Asian countries that have fared much better and they have much more compliance in wearing masks.  

 

[NutterButter]

What are the best masks to buy and where do you find them nowadays?

Wrong thread.  This is the "why don't you wear a mask" thread.   This is the "mask to buy" thread.

 

[Shoot_Me_Now]

I've personally seen lots of not overweight people die of this. If BMI is a factor, it's far from the biggest one.

If the bug simply killed 1% of those infected with the overwhelming majority of those elderly and/or with significant comorbidities (not long for this world even without corona) I'd probably share your nonchalance Unfortunately this isn't true. Most of my flu patients either die or are well on their way to recovery within 4 or 5 days of intubation. Most of my corona patients take a week or two before I know if they'll live or die, and another week or two before they leave me....to go to their maker or to rehab. Many survivors have significant long lasting damage....we don't see a lot of that with flu. The sick corona patients go into ARDS.....getting paralytics, proned, requiring ridiculous levels of sedatives....MUCH more difficult to treat and care for, for a longer period of time then flu patients. And I've seen this with some relatively young people without serious comorbidities, a couple with NO known comormidities.

Most of what you wrote here is true....obesity is a serious issue...it's just not very helpful right now, and I'm not so sure it's accurate. Being skinny is no protection from this thing

I don't doubt any of that but I dont think this rises to the occasion to still be so afraid of each other and be spooked of non mask wearers. We can agree its out there. We can agree its serious. But we've learned things about it now and to me its an outsized reaction compared to the risk that we routinely accept. So what are the goals?  Whats the threshold? 

 

[Tool]

I have no problem wearing one if its required. And it looks like we're all heading that way so I'd just prefer if it was a federal mandate at this point. My issue is the over reaction we've had to this thing. Three months ago? Sure. But we know more now and yet people are still treating this as if its a death sentence. Its time to take a deep breath to look at the data and relax a bit. If a median death age of 80 scares us that much then we have much more serious health crisis that we need to solve in this country instead of it being constantly ignored. Im not saying go out and have a bunch of orgies. And again, what are the goals? Whats the threshold? Its all vague. 

But why does it have to be required? Why does it have to be a federal mandate? You really trust government officials to do the right thing? It's pretty clear that we're not going to be able to depend on them. Not sure how you can look at the data and relax a bit. I mean no need to freak out but the numbers are increasing.  Even if the death rate is low.  We're not asking you to stay in a turkish prison. Just wear a mask in the appropriate situations. 

 

[Mr.Pack]

Wrong thread.  This is the "why don't you wear a mask" thread.   This is the "mask to buy" thread.

Wow, sorry for the inconvenience.

 

[parasaurolophus]

What are the best masks to buy and where do you find them nowadays?

Was just at menards in pewaukee today. They had KN95 masks in house. 

They also had 3M half face respirators too if you really want to be safe. Only had three of those though. 

 

[Captain Cranks]

I don't doubt any of that but I dont think this rises to the occasion to still be so afraid of each other and be spooked of non mask wearers. We can agree its out there. We can agree its serious. But we've learned things about it now and to me its an outsized reaction compared to the risk that we routinely accept. So what are the goals?  Whats the threshold? 

What other things do you do routinely that have a 1 in 200 chance of death?  People say "the risk that we routinely accept" as though it's comparable to this rate.  The fatality rate of bungee jumping is 1 in 500,000. 

ETA - the odds of dying in a car crash in your lifetime are 1 in 100.  However that's extended over your entire life and it's tough to argue that we should just stop driving.  Doing things to prevent Covid, like social distancing and wearing a mask, is much less inconvenient by comparison. 

 

[renesauz]

I don't doubt any of that but I dont think this rises to the occasion to still be so afraid of each other and be spooked of non mask wearers. We can agree its out there. We can agree its serious. But we've learned things about it now and to me its an outsized reaction compared to the risk that we routinely accept. So what are the goals?  Whats the threshold? 

I think the problem here is that the incubation time is so long, with so many asymptomatic carriers that there can only be one of two goals: keep it under control until a vaccine is available , in which case we are trying to limit the deaths

OR keep it under control so that health care isn't overwhelmed. In this scenario, 60-70% of us get it at some point no matter what, and millions worldwide die.

The funny thing is that we don't really need to pick one or the other right now...the actions required are the same. It could be that masks are the new way of life for a few years while it burns through us slowly. What we SHOULDN'T do is ignore it and let tens of thousands get sick all at the same time.. Italy and other places have shown we can keep the transmission rate VERY low with masking, buying our scientists a bunch of time to work on this thing. If they fail, we at least buy our health care facilities a bunch of time to study it, figure out the best ways to try to treat it while not being overwhelmed to the point where we're killing people simply for lack of beds and staff and equipment to treat them all.

 

[Shoot_Me_Now]

But why does it have to be required? Why does it have to be a federal mandate? You really trust government officials to do the right thing? It's pretty clear that we're not going to be able to depend on them. Not sure how you can look at the data and relax a bit. I mean no need to freak out but the numbers are increasing.  Even if the death rate is low.  We're not asking you to stay in a turkish prison. Just wear a mask in the appropriate situations. 

Because I think its an outsized reaction? I'm not anti-mask to the point where I'm throwing fits in stores that require it and I'd certainly wear it if it was required. The death rate appears to be heading lower. So whats the threshold to have reactions like this in the future? And if we're so afraid of this then why are more serious health issues flat out ignored? Thats my point. Im not talking about hippos. Real health issues that then make viruses like this have a larger impact than they otherwise would. What's the goal? The median death of this thing is 80. I mean it sucks that's its here but everyone seems to act like healthy people under 50 are dropping dead. Its not just a binary option of hoax or we're all gonna die. 

 

[Chemical X]

I honestly see absolutely no reason to not wear a mask. It's such a small inconvenience that possibly helps all of us in the long run and has no downside other than, what, a little annoyance?  

We enjoy many "rights" in America but we also know that common sense and responsibility must be counted for, especially when you have a unique, unprecedented issue.  

We are starting to see more and more companies and municipalities require masks...now we need to see it enforced

you said america, common sense and responsibility in the same sentence.  

 

[NutterButter]

Try to do better moving forward.

Take it easy.  He's new here.

 

[Tool]

Because I think its an outsized reaction? I'm not anti-mask to the point where I'm throwing fits in stores that require it and I'd certainly wear it if it was required. The death rate appears to be heading lower. So whats the threshold to have reactions like this in the future? And if we're so afraid of this then why are more serious health issues flat out ignored? Thats my point. Im not talking about hippos. Real health issues that then make viruses like this have a larger impact than they otherwise would. What's the goal? The median death of this thing is 80. I mean it sucks that's its here but everyone seems to act like healthy people under 50 are dropping dead. Its not just a binary option of hoax or we're all gonna die. 

You know the median is different than an average right, so 1/2 the people are over 80 and 1/2 are under and within that lower 1/2 the age range can vary.  But my point is it's a such a small ask why make such a big deal about it. You're worried in the future you're going to be required to dress up like L'il Bo Peep or something? Also not everyone who doesn't die is free of long lasting symptoms, and many who don't die spend a good amount of time in the hospital. You say it's a hoax that people are saying we're all gonna die but noone is saying that. We're saying just do something very small that may prevent a few people you come into contact with from getting sick or dying even if they may be elderly. And if everyone does that throughout the country that adds to the common good.