Anti-Semitism (1 Viewer)

[KiddLattimer]

First, the statement was clearly anti-Semitic on its face. Nobody criticizes billionaires for being on the side of other billionaires. That doesn’t happen. And yes I’m serious. 

This is literally 90% of what Team Bernie talks about

 

[parasaurolophus]

This is literally 90% of what Team Bernie talks about

He actually used the phrase class solidarity just this past weekend. 

 

[roadkill1292]

Wait, I'm not quite following here. Shouldn't we be pretty critical of the nation's 621 billionaires (a number I saw quoted over the weekend) because of the oversized influence their wealth has on our electoral process? They're being interviewed for their views all the time and they can bring untold sums to bear, on behalf of both good and evil. Let's keep these people under scrutiny and tax the living #### out of them to boot, cries of "class warfare" be damned.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Wait, I'm not quite following here. Shouldn't we be pretty critical of the nation's 621 billionaires (a number I saw quoted over the weekend) because of the oversized influence their wealth has on our electoral process? They're being interviewed for their views all the time and they can bring untold sums to bear, on behalf of both good and evil. Let's keep these people under scrutiny and tax the living #### out of them to boot, cries of "class warfare" be damned.

Just dont criticize the top three political donors(on theleft). Or any other jewish ones.

 

[caustic]

There is, as they say, a lot going on here:

Aaron Rupar @atrupar

Trump, speaking to the Israeli American Council: "You're not nice people at all, but you have to vote for me. You have no choice. You're not going to vote for Pocahontas, I can tell you that. You're not going to vote for the wealth tax!"

10:25 PM · Dec 7, 2019

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1203530971896791040

 

[TheMagus]

There is, as they say, a lot going on here:

Aaron Rupar @atrupar

Trump, speaking to the Israeli American Council: "You're not nice people at all, but you have to vote for me. You have no choice. You're not going to vote for Pocahontas, I can tell you that. You're not going to vote for the wealth tax!"

10:25 PM · Dec 7, 2019

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1203530971896791040

Holy mother of god. I thought there was a possibility that was an Onion link before I clicked on it. 

 

[AAABatteries]

There is, as they say, a lot going on here:

Aaron Rupar @atrupar

Trump, speaking to the Israeli American Council: "You're not nice people at all, but you have to vote for me. You have no choice. You're not going to vote for Pocahontas, I can tell you that. You're not going to vote for the wealth tax!"

10:25 PM · Dec 7, 2019

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1203530971896791040

This is a great example of taking the quote out of context.  You need the part leading up to it.  It’s still a crazy quote but not as bad as the Tweet makes out.

 

[Kal El]

This is a great example of taking the quote out of context.  You need the part leading up to it.  It’s still a crazy quote but not as bad as the Tweet makes out.

Without knowing the context of the preceding statement, it still sounds bad.

 

[timschochet]

It wasn’t anti-Semitic. These are very pro-Trump Jews attending; they consistently gave him standing ovations and shouted “four more years” several times. Sheldon Adelson was there. 

Trump has made some anti-Semitic jokes in the past, mostly about Jews and money. This speech was just weird and full of lies and half-truths as usual. One interesting thought struck me: Trump repeated his fear-mongering  of Warren’s supposed wealth tax proposal, as he and other conservatives have for months now. He’s ignoring the fact that Warren is waning in the polls. How will Trump run against a moderate Democrat like Biden or Buttigieg? “The socialists are coming!” message will have been eliminated. 

 

[AAABatteries]

Without knowing the context of the preceding statement, it still sounds bad.

That’s why I said not as bad.

 

[AAABatteries]

It wasn’t anti-Semitic. These are very pro-Trump Jews attending; they consistently gave him standing ovations and shouted “four more years” several times. Sheldon Adelson was there. 

Trump has made some anti-Semitic jokes in the past, mostly about Jews and money. This speech was just weird and full of lies and half-truths as usual. One interesting thought struck me: Trump repeated his fear-mongering  of Warren’s supposed wealth tax proposal, as he and other conservatives have for months now. He’s ignoring the fact that Warren is waning in the polls. How will Trump run against a moderate Democrat like Biden or Buttigieg? “The socialists are coming!” message will have been eliminated. 

If we’ve learned anything over the last 3 years it’s that Trump doesn’t care if his message is true, he cares if his supporters like it.  And his supporters like to feel that they are doing something important like defeating socialists.  Doesn’t matter how true it is.

 

[TobiasFunke]

This is a great example of taking the quote out of context.  You need the part leading up to it.  It’s still a crazy quote but not as bad as the Tweet makes out.

I looked at the context. I guess you maybe could argue that he was talking specifically to the "lot of real estate people in the audience" when he described the Jews in the audience as "not nice people at all" and that even though they dislike Trump they'll still vote for him because they're rich and all they care about is their accumulated wealth. 

But that's a stretch, is still kinda anti-Semitic, and frankly the President long since exhausted the benefit of the doubt when it comes time to parse his words to figure out if he's engaging in negative stereotyping. This isn't even the first time he's referred to Jews this way.  During a late 2015 campaign he said this to a roomful of Jews:

"Is there anybody that doesn't renegotiate deals in this room? This room negotiates them -- perhaps more than any other room I've ever spoken in" and "You're not gonna support me because I don't want your money. You want to control your politicians, that's fine."

To be clear, I don't think Trump hates Jews.  He just stereotypes them, because old bigots stereotype everyone (irony intended). My main problem is with people (conservative talking heads, the media, and unfortunately many moderate Jews) who are chomping at the bit to criticize women of color like Omar for the slightest perceived indignity towards Jews, real or not, while they let this stuff slide and push and amplify white nationalism elsewhere.

 

[Max Power]

Can someone explain to me why anti-jewish hate crimes are on the rise?  There was another one last night. 

 

[whoknew]

Can someone explain to me why anti-jewish hate crimes are on the rise?  There was another one last night. 

Violent hate crimes in general are on the rise. Or, at least they were through the end of 2018.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I'm curious about the same thing.  I understand that anti-semitism is a long-standing issue, but I don't get why it's suddenly (?) flaring up in a particular area in NY.  This strikes me as weird and disturbing.  I feel like I'm missing out on a narrative here.

 

[timschochet]

I'm curious about the same thing.  I understand that anti-semitism is a long-standing issue, but I don't get why it's suddenly (?) flaring up in a particular area in NY.  This strikes me as weird and disturbing.  I feel like I'm missing out on a narrative here.

There’s definitely something going on. 

It seems to be targeted against Hasidic or very Orthodox Jews which suggests the possibility that we’re not talking about traditional anti-semitism, as we’ve come to know it, but rather a grievance against a specific group of people. 

 

[Summer Wheat]

A little worried.  Will all this Jew bashing and killing help Trump?   What was the persons race who committed the crime?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

There’s definitely something going on. 

It seems to be targeted against Hasidic or very Orthodox Jews which suggests the possibility that we’re not talking about traditional anti-semitism, as we’ve come to know it, but rather a grievance against a specific group of people. 

Thanks.  To be clear, I don't want to make it sound like I'm excusing this violence or brushing it aside, but it seems highly localized.

 

[Max Power]

Thanks.  To be clear, I don't want to make it sound like I'm excusing this violence or brushing it aside, but it seems highly localized.

Same thing that I took notice of as well. This was like the third one in NY in the last several weeks.

DeBlasio made a statement, but I haven't read it over yet. 

 

[Slapdash]

Thanks.  To be clear, I don't want to make it sound like I'm excusing this violence or brushing it aside, but it seems highly localized.

Aren't Jewish people highly concentrated though?

 

[parasaurolophus]

There’s definitely something going on. 

It seems to be targeted against Hasidic or very Orthodox Jews which suggests the possibility that we’re not talking about traditional anti-semitism, as we’ve come to know it, but rather a grievance against a specific group of people. 

Oh no, we are. These attacks are traditional antisemitism at its worst. The media just isnt really discussing it because it is "inconvenient antisemitism". 

 

[Max Power]

Oh no, we are. These attacks are traditional antisemitism at its worst. The media just isnt really discussing it because it is "inconvenient antisemitism". 

Are you saying the media would be all over this if the attacks were by white supremacists?

 

[parasaurolophus]

Are you saying the media would be all over this if the attacks were by white supremacists?

Of course. But it wouldnt even have to be white supremacists. Just ignorant white people would make this a much bigger story. 

 

[timschochet]

Of course. But it wouldnt even have to be white supremacists. Just ignorant white people would make this a much bigger story. 

It was the number one story in the media until Iraq embassy happened. I don’t know how it gets much bigger. I disagree with your premise. (But then I’ve never believed that the mainstream media avoids news it finds “inconvenient”. I think that’s a conservative fantasy, frankly.) 

 

[parasaurolophus]

It was the number one story in the media until Iraq embassy happened. I don’t know how it gets much bigger. I disagree with your premise. (But then I’ve never believed that the mainstream media avoids news it finds “inconvenient”. I think that’s a conservative fantasy, frankly.) 

I am not talking about the two mass attacks by black israelites. I am talking about the many other numerous incidents that you never heard about because they were never previously covered and only get a mention because of the crazy machete story and the jersey city shooting. 

Unknown person paces out a swastika in the snow in Syracuse. Two black guys beat up a jewish man because he spoke hebrew on the phone near them. Which one do you think gets more coverage?

How about from a different angle...

Black family is BBQ'ing in wrong place in a park and gets police called on them. Black man attacks a jewish man because he hates jews and breaks a rib and punches him in the face. Both had video. 

Which one do you think gets more coverage on a national scale? 

Or how about this angle...

Look at the stories about anti semitic attacks being on the rise. How many times do those articles discuss the % of antisemitic attacks coming from people of color?

You yourself didn't even know why there was an increase in the recent antisemitic attacks and thought perhaps it was due to something else other than traditional antisemitism. In reality the increase is mostly due to VERY traditional antisemtic tropes. You have to find local stories to read about this in detail.

 

[Max Power]

Ben Shapiro seems to agree with parasaurolophus.

Anti-Semitism grows when the victims become secondary and the perpetrators become primary. If you're only concerned about anti-Semitism from white supremacists but utterly blithe about Jews being beaten in the streets of one of the nation's largest cities by suspects who clearly are not white supremacists, you're part of the problem. And that goes for those who govern New York, from De Blasio to Cuomo.

https://townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/2020/01/01/when-antisemitism-doesnt-matter-n2558721

 

[timschochet]

Ben Shapiro seems to agree with parasaurolophus.

But that’s not a surprise is it? He’s a very provocative conservative commentator. 

ETA At the same time that Shapiro has emphasized anti-semitism from left wing sources, he has minimized it from right wing sources. 

 

[Max Power]

But that’s not a surprise is it? He’s a very provocative conservative commentator. 

He is one of the most heavily targeted figures for anti-semitic hate speech.  I think his opinion should carry a lot of weight. 

 

[timschochet]

He is one of the most heavily targeted figures for anti-semitic hate speech.  I think his opinion should carry a lot of weight. 

It doesn’t with me. He’s ridiculous. 

He spoke last year at my daughter’s university. (Chapman). Made a fool of himself as usuals 

 

[Summer Wheat]

Why are black people killing jews now?

 

[parasaurolophus]

Ben Shapiro seems to agree with parasaurolophus.

He references this tweet from de blasio that shows how delusional the perspective can be. 

 

[Max Power]

https://www.theblaze.com/news/orthodox-jews-seen-open-carrying-in-new-york-after-spate-of-anti-semitic-attacks
 

Orthodox Jews seen open carrying firearms in New York after spate of anti-Semitic attacks

Attacks against Orthodox Jews have been on the rise in New York, and a spokesman for the Department of Justice told TheBlaze earlier this year that anti-Semitic attacks have been the fastest growing group of hate crimes in America. Last week alone there were at least six separate anti-Semitic hate crimes reported in New York City.

Generally speaking, open carry is not legal in New York. New Yorkers are generally only allowed to open carry when hunting or at a shooting range. The willingness these Orthodox Jews have to open carry may speak to the frustration felt by many in the New York Orthodox community about the ineffectual response from both city and state government.

Is the local government going to make them the bad guys now?

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

These incidents are appalling. Another one today in Williamsburg Brooklyn where 2 ladies approached a guy shouting anti-Semitic slurs and then punched him in the throat when he tried to dial 911. Don’t have time to link it. WTF is going on? It’s shameful already. 

 

[Max Power]

Attorney General Barr tells Brooklyn leaders feds will fight anti-Semitism spike

U.S. Attorney General William Barr met with members of the Jewish community in Brooklyn on Tuesday morning and vowed that the Justice Department would do all it can to combat the recent surge in anti-Semitism nationwide.

Speaking at the Boro Park Jewish Community Council, Barr acknowledged the rash of anti-Semitic crimes across the New York City metropolitan area in recent months — from assaults on Orthodox Jewish people in Brooklyn, to the Hanukkah stabbing at a rabbi’s home in upstate Monsey, to the Jersey City shootout at a Kosher supermarket.

Barr told leaders that the Justice Department is working with the FBI to pursue suspects responsible for anti-Semitic incidents locally and nationally, and bring them to justice. He noted that the federal government is pressing charges in one anti-Semitic hate crime in Brooklyn in which a woman slapped three men of Orthodox Jewish faith.

https://www.amny.com/brooklyn/attorney-general-barr-tells-brooklyn-leaders-feds-will-fight-anti-semitism-spike/