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Antifa: Left Wing Militants on the Rise (2 Viewers)
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dawgtrails
Footballguy
Can you honestly answer a question for me?
Do you know any people on the left in real life? Like any friends or coworkers or family members? Do you speak to them this way if they have a different stance than you? Do you call them Nazis and compare them to Goebbels?
whoknew
Footballguy
Again, so contractors must continue to work with a company that they disagree with? What if Spotify came out and said, "We think black people are all terrible artists, so we are no longer going to have any black artists on our platform."
Would it be ok if Joni and Neil wanted to stop working with Spotify then?
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
What if Spotify came out and said we think the Gangnam style dance and K-Pop is terrible, all Asian artists are cancelled, also not going to have any white rappers like Eminem of our platform.
Would it be OK for Neil and Joni to stop working with Spotify then?
Yes, that is as ridiculous as your comment.
Your analogy works against you. Joni and Neil are not upset the Spotify is discriminating, they are upset that Spotify is inclusive and refuse such discriminatory policy in your analogy.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Why is it discriminatory to stop the spread of misinformation? Anyway, nobody has a right to be heard on whatever platform they want. It’s never worked that way.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
anyone remember the good old days when Joni Mitchel and Neil Young were anti-establishment? Yeah, me too.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
I agree 100%, but that's not what's happening here. Neil Young is SPECIFICALLY saying "censor Joe Rogan or I'm leaving".
Spotify is not making this demand, Young is. And I still fail to see where Rogan is spreading misinformation.
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whoknew
Footballguy
Fine. Spotify says, "We are going to include all of the white supremacist/Nazi punk band music on our site."
Joni and Neil just have to keep working with Spotify eh? They aren't allowed to protest?
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Right — more of a hypothetical if Young got his way and Spotify took some action against Rogan.
The open letter is a good place for you to start regarding the misinformation.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
They can protest all they want but to make demands that they take other voices off of Spotify is sponsoring censorship.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
whoknew
Footballguy
What's the difference? I'm protesting by removing my songs until you remove Rogan.
All protests make demands. That's the point of a protest.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
I don`t but Squistion might weigh in on this one as he is from the Woodstock era. Squis?
Four dead in Ohio..four dead in Ohio.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Yeah, I saw the open letter. Not convinced. In that open letter they even link to Politifact - their incestous "fact checkers" for the stories they make up on a daily basis. For every one of the 1000 signatures I'm sure Rogan could get 1000 "pro" signatures for himself.
And, to be fair, the MSM broadcast the Trump Russian Collusion conspiracy 24/7 - did we see an open letter then from these same fine people? No, we did not. Conspiracy theories are just as much a part of free-speech as anything else.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Big pharma is the establishment, the man if you will. Spotify qualifies as well . Young was anti big pharma with the Monsanto years but now definitely in its corner
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
It was not a protest but a demand or choice. Young said choose Rogan or choose me. Spotify chose Rogan as numbers predicted they would. Spotify I am sure did not want to choose as they would have loved to keep both.
If you were running an NFL franchise and they said your choice is Josh Allen or Big Ben would would you choose? An up and comer or an aging star?
I like Neil Young but instead of singing "old man" he is the old man. Most of his stuff is from 40-50 years ago.
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
Spotify is not the establishment here - it's the Big Tech censorship that's been going on for the last 5 years. Young (and MItchel) were banking on Big Tech tech to keep doing what they've been doing.
I'd give credit to Spotify if I thought they were actually standing up for Rogan, but it's clear to me that Spotify is only doing that because of what Rogan brings in (and probably contract issues too). If Rogan were some yokel with 100 listeners I would bet Spotify would take them off the air before Young even finished his demand.
But that would ALSO be wrong (taking the yokel off the air). Young's bluff was called by Spotify so since he demanded they remove him then that's not censorship of Young. Had they removed Rogan then that would have been censorship.
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Juxtatarot
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Why would a bunch of doctors and scientists weigh in on Trump-Russia collusion?
BladeRunner
Footballguy
First off, a full 50% of that list is neither doctors nor scientists. 
Second, if misinformation and "conspiracy theories" were that worrisome to them, why would they NOT pipe in on one of the most high profile conspiracy theories in the last 40 years (The Dossier Trump/Russia collusion)?
Second, if misinformation and "conspiracy theories" were that worrisome to them, why would they NOT pipe in on one of the most high profile conspiracy theories in the last 40 years (The Dossier Trump/Russia collusion)?
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HellToupee
Footballguy
No . I not sure if Youmg even knows who Rogan is . I’m guessing this was presented to Young and he went in. I do think this is part of a coordinated effort to attack Rogan
HellToupee
Footballguy
just saw this is an antifa thread
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Young has always had an axe to grind with streaming services because they are low quality. He even had a quickstarter to provide his own music service. While he probably feels strongly about the vaccine, this is also an excuse to hurt Spotify. And mission accomplished because they are losing valuation and market share.
https://datebook.sfchronicle.com/music/spotify-loses-4-billion-in-market-value-following-neil-young-controversy
https://datebook.sfchronicle.com/music/spotify-loses-4-billion-in-market-value-following-neil-young-controversy
Well they have google/YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, many universities, most the of the media, the NBA, NFL, big Pharma, banks... they were hoping to get Spotify under their wing.
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
dozer
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Have you heard Neil Young in an interview as of late? Saw him last year and the 60s and 70s have taken a heavy toll on him.
So no, I have doubts he even knew who Joe Rogan was or has ever listened to Rogan as Rogan has a much younger audience.
Young and Mitchell were relevant in the 60s and 70s and this might give them a little boost to try and be relevant again.
Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
Wait, I'm confused.....am I to understand that Neil Young is a corporate ally to authoritarian government? Or is it Spotify? Or Bugs Bunny? I just can't keep up with these twisted view points from the fringe.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
That's how it works.
You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain. All of these old leftist tools from the 60's and 70's are now FIRMLY WITH the establishment. You see, it's not about being anti-establishment, it's about being anti-establishment to the establishment you don't agree with.
dozer
Footballguy
dozer
Footballguy
Jason Leopold is a reporter for Buzzfeed.
This came across my timeline:
"ICE turned over docs to me in response to my #FOIA about protests in Portland, forgot to redact them & then wrote back to me & demanded I destroy the docs & "refrain from using or disclosing the contents"
DHS Component Actions Report Civil Disturbances — Multiple Cities U.S. (NOC 0378-20) 2000 ET, 31 May 2020
Here they are...
This came across my timeline:
"ICE turned over docs to me in response to my #FOIA about protests in Portland, forgot to redact them & then wrote back to me & demanded I destroy the docs & "refrain from using or disclosing the contents"
DHS Component Actions Report Civil Disturbances — Multiple Cities U.S. (NOC 0378-20) 2000 ET, 31 May 2020
Here they are...
dozer
Footballguy
Countering Weapons of Mass Destruction Office (CWMD)
CWMD has 8 (4) employees deployed across the country where protests are taking place.
Deployed to New York, Boston, Dallas, Houston, Phoenix, and Cincinnati
All safe and accounted for.
Providing a[25]person squad to support US Park Police in Lafayette Park (Washington, DC) 31 May.
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