any news on Ricky Williams? (1 Viewer)

[TheFanatic]

He's stoned.

No he isn't. The last story I read has him staying in the US and being tested 3 times a week. He is at 220, wants to play and is healthy.

How hard was it to scan about a third of the way down the blogger page to find this link?Come on people. Do a little leg work on your own. Everything this guy said is repeated in this article. Considering he is much more talented than Ronnie Brown, he's going to play this year....

I think you've been stealing some of Ricky's stash and smoking it to make these comments.

And I think you are a delusional Brown owner hoping to God that Ricky doesn't come back. Either that or that someone in our league is stupid enough to trade what you think is market value for the guy. And don't act like you aren't at all worried about Ricky eating into Ronnie's carries. You have had Ronnie on the block for weeks now hoping anyone will take him off your hands. I've made numerous posts on why it makes perfect sense for him to play this year but you don't offer any dispute of those points other than over done bad insults.

Let me sum up again. Ricky costs the Dolphins practically nothing to have in uniform this year. He is getting tested 3 times a week and has been clean for over a year. With the former O-Line coach of the Chargers in Miami, I would think that Ricky would fit the mold of an LT more than Brown. Not quite the pass catcher that LT is but more in terms of running style. The league is moving to a 1-2 punch at RB more and more these days. The Colts won the SB with that method. Since Brown hasn't been able to stay healty and was most productive in a 2 back system at Auburn one would think having Ricky there would be a no brainer.

You can face the fact that you overpaid for Brown and accept that he's not the wonderful talent you expected him to be or you can keep throwing lame insults and bulk smiley's at me.

He will be a 30 year old rb on opening day this season coming off of a broken leg. I'm sure that's something the new coaching staff wants to build his team around. If Ricky comes back he might get some carries, I'm not saying he won't but it will be in a backup role. I was laughing at the fact that you think it will be a rbbc at best for Brown. I don't know why you would think this. The Dolphins picked Brown #2 overall to be their rb for the future. He has not disappointed at all in his 2 years except for a nagging injury in his 1st year and a broken hand. If you want to say he is injury prone for the first years' incident I could agree but breaking your hand in another players' facemask I put up there in the freak injury category. If he can't stay healthy let me ask you a ?. Do you think the Bears are going to give Peterson alot of carries since Benson has clearly shown the inconsistency to stay healthy? My guess is you'll find a reason to justify that answer cause you own him. Here is the facts Scotty. Ricky is 30 years old and can't be counted ondue to off the field issues, he is coming off a broken leg and hasn't played in the nfl for a year. Ronnie is younger and has more invested him. These are facts, now you can think what you want but I'll be just fine pimping Brown in the offseason cause he will back it up just fine.Also, I've offered Brown to 2 people in our league and both times it is only because he is up at the end of the year and I probably couldn't protect him. Again, that is the only reason. (Chad and Art...that's it.)

I think Bill and I were talking about some scenario's about him but nothing was actually offered.

No, the Phins are not going to build around Ricky. But they will use him. Brown has never played 16 games. Not in College and not in the pros. And more than that he's not that talented. Ricky is the better back. He's older but he's better. And the 30 year ceiling on RB's has been shattered. RB's can play beyond the age of 30.Brown actually played better with Ricky in the lineup. He had more YPC with another RB complimenting him. The same happened in college.

And you can try to make comparisons to Benson, but Benson has not been given the ball for a year on his own like Brown did last year.

But good luck with Brown. I'm sure he'll lead you to yet another losing season. How many is that in a row now? Got to be close to 6 right?

Wow, that's a clever come back. How could I possibly refute that? Are you and BJ going to the same school of argument and debate? The guy can't play a whole season. His numbers are decent but by no means worthy of his 2nd overall selection. And he has yet to live up to the the hype. Maybe he turns it around in his 3rd year. But that 3rd year rule usually works for WR and not RB's. RB's are supposed to have a pretty easy transition into the NFL. Brown, not so much....But hey, if you think of something that at least remotely adds to the discussion, feel free to post. Till then maybe you should lurk a bit more....

 

[cmv5]

He's stoned.

No he isn't. The last story I read has him staying in the US and being tested 3 times a week. He is at 220, wants to play and is healthy.

How hard was it to scan about a third of the way down the blogger page to find this link?Come on people. Do a little leg work on your own. Everything this guy said is repeated in this article. Considering he is much more talented than Ronnie Brown, he's going to play this year....

I think you've been stealing some of Ricky's stash and smoking it to make these comments.

And I think you are a delusional Brown owner hoping to God that Ricky doesn't come back. Either that or that someone in our league is stupid enough to trade what you think is market value for the guy. And don't act like you aren't at all worried about Ricky eating into Ronnie's carries. You have had Ronnie on the block for weeks now hoping anyone will take him off your hands. I've made numerous posts on why it makes perfect sense for him to play this year but you don't offer any dispute of those points other than over done bad insults.

Let me sum up again. Ricky costs the Dolphins practically nothing to have in uniform this year. He is getting tested 3 times a week and has been clean for over a year. With the former O-Line coach of the Chargers in Miami, I would think that Ricky would fit the mold of an LT more than Brown. Not quite the pass catcher that LT is but more in terms of running style. The league is moving to a 1-2 punch at RB more and more these days. The Colts won the SB with that method. Since Brown hasn't been able to stay healty and was most productive in a 2 back system at Auburn one would think having Ricky there would be a no brainer.

You can face the fact that you overpaid for Brown and accept that he's not the wonderful talent you expected him to be or you can keep throwing lame insults and bulk smiley's at me.

Is it fair to say that Ricky is a distraction to the team or at least not dependable? He is a 4 time offender. He supposedly wasn't using marijuana last year and yet he still found a way to get suspended. Just like cutting McMichael I could see where Miami may want to be done with Ricky Williams. As you mentioned though, I could see why with Ricky being so cheap they may say what the heck and keep him. What I don't understand is in your other post you state that Ricky is much more talented than Ronnie Brown. I know it is a world of instant gratification but it is a little premature to annoint Ricky the much more talented back, especially at his current age. When they were in the same offense they had the same 4.4 average, admittedly Ronnie Brown hit the rookie wall but most rookie running backs do.When Ricky was a young rookle himself his numbers were not mind blowing.

Ricky Williams:

1999 nor 12 253 884 3.5 2 28 172 6.1 0

2000 nor 10 248 1000 4.0 8 44 409 9.3 1

Ronnie Brown

2005 mia 15 207 907 4.4 4 32 232 7.2 1

2006 mia 13 241 1008 4.2 5 33 276 8.4 0

Ronnie has had a better YPC average even with his crappy line.

And as you can see as far as injury history goes, Ricky missed more games his first 2 years. in fact he missed 6 games his second year due to a shoulder injury.

Ricky got a chance to prove he was better than his first 2 years, let's let Ronnie have the same break.

 

[Blackjacks]

It is nice to see someone post with actual facts on why they like or dislike a player instead of just saying that is the way it's gonna be.



No one can guarantee anything but atleast facts like that show the past and usually the past continues into the future.

 

[ooofffaaa]

Ronnie Brown missed time last year because he broke his hand on a defenders facemask while running him over in a freak accident.

Some of you are making him out to be the new Fragile Fred which is not the case.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Anyone heard anything here?

I have him stashed on my Dynasty Bench.

 

[Couch Potato]

Anyone heard anything here?I have him stashed on my Dynasty Bench.

He's not eligible for reinstatement yet, so there's not much other than noise to hear.Couch Potato opinion is that Ricky will be dealt to a team looking for a quick fix/competition at RB (perhaps Green Bay) before or on draft day, pretty cheaply due to the risks the trade partner is taking on. If Miami doesn't find a trade partner, they cut him. Saban, Ricky's primary supporter, is gone. The cutting of McMichael says a lot about the direction Mueller and Cameron want to take Miami in terms of character. I think Ricky will be reinstated, but will not be a Dolphin in 2007.

 

[Bri]

Couch Potato opinion is that

Bri opinion is that this made me

 

[Couch Potato]

Couch Potato opinion is that

Bri opinion is that this made me

Joe Horn taught Couch Potato how to talk like that.

 

[Traders2001]

He's stoned.

No he isn't. The last story I read has him staying in the US and being tested 3 times a week. He is at 220, wants to play and is healthy.

How hard was it to scan about a third of the way down the blogger page to find this link?Come on people. Do a little leg work on your own. Everything this guy said is repeated in this article. Considering he is much more talented than Ronnie Brown, he's going to play this year....

I think you've been stealing some of Ricky's stash and smoking it to make these comments.

And I think you are a delusional Brown owner hoping to God that Ricky doesn't come back. Either that or that someone in our league is stupid enough to trade what you think is market value for the guy. And don't act like you aren't at all worried about Ricky eating into Ronnie's carries. You have had Ronnie on the block for weeks now hoping anyone will take him off your hands. I've made numerous posts on why it makes perfect sense for him to play this year but you don't offer any dispute of those points other than over done bad insults.

Let me sum up again. Ricky costs the Dolphins practically nothing to have in uniform this year. He is getting tested 3 times a week and has been clean for over a year. With the former O-Line coach of the Chargers in Miami, I would think that Ricky would fit the mold of an LT more than Brown. Not quite the pass catcher that LT is but more in terms of running style. The league is moving to a 1-2 punch at RB more and more these days. The Colts won the SB with that method. Since Brown hasn't been able to stay healty and was most productive in a 2 back system at Auburn one would think having Ricky there would be a no brainer.

You can face the fact that you overpaid for Brown and accept that he's not the wonderful talent you expected him to be or you can keep throwing lame insults and bulk smiley's at me.

I dont have Brown so i did nt overpay for him and i think Ricky is done and he will not even be a back up in the NFL. Go back to CFL and dont bother coming back.

 

[Chadstroma]

Armando Salguero, of the Miami Herald, reports Miami Dolphins RB Ricky Williams is optimistic and excited about the upcoming 2007 season. ''Ricky is in the best shape of his life,'' agent Leigh Steinberg said Monday, March 26. ``He's passed all of his drug tests, and he's at a place where he's ready to come back to the Dolphins.'' Williams can apply for a return to the NFL in April, and is reportedly healthy, drug free, and working on a book.

I think there is some possible discounted value here. Picked him up in my Dynasty League at the end of last season for the long shot help.Will he be back with the Dolphins if he does come back?

 

[Blackjacks]

Funny, I'm surprise his agent didn't say something like he's out of shape and he still loves the chronic. Usually that is the way the agent talks about their players.

 

[Ned]

And the 30 year ceiling on RB's has been shattered. RB's can play beyond the age of 30.

shattered? how so?

 

[Scooby]

I think he is done. Stick a fork in him.

 

[David Yudkin]

Here's the latest comment from Miami general manager Randy Mueller in a recent Q & A session from the Palm Beach Post:

Anything new on the Ricky Williams front? Is he part of the team's plan?

"Hasn't been discussed at all, so no, nothing new."

Well, is he coming back?

"I don't know, that's a good question. No comment. No idea. I guess we cross that bridge when we get to it. That one's out of our hands."

LINKHow's that for vague?

 

[David Yudkin]

HC Cam Cameron said even less . . .

Q: Have you had a chance to talk to Ricky Williams yet?

A: “No. And you know why. It’s philosophy; focus on what you can control. You only have 1440 minutes a day. That’s all we have. How are you going to spend those 1440 minutes? If I’m spending 10 minutes on something that ultimately I have no control over, that’s 10 minutes that I could be spending with somebody who’s on our roster. Philosophically, you’re not going to get me away from that one. I think we can all understand how that makes sense. Did I always have that figured out? Absolutely not. But you’ve only got so much time in a day, and I think you’ve got to try to be as focused with that time as you can so that you can have a life with your family and still win a championship.”

LINK

 

[TheFanatic]

And the 30 year ceiling on RB's has been shattered. RB's can play beyond the age of 30.

shattered? how so?

Shattered by a whole bunch of RB's doing well after the age of 30. Emmitt Smith, Marshall Faulk, Tiki Barber, Curtis Martin, Priest Holmes. Do I need to keep going? That magical number of 30 is not the end of a RB's career. Modern medicine and fitness programs have allowed RB's to stretch their careers to 31, 32, 33, and possibly beyond.

 

[bcr8f]

And the 30 year ceiling on RB's has been shattered. RB's can play beyond the age of 30.

shattered? how so?

Shattered by a whole bunch of RB's doing well after the age of 30. Emmitt Smith, Marshall Faulk, Tiki Barber, Curtis Martin, Priest Holmes. Do I need to keep going? That magical number of 30 is not the end of a RB's career. Modern medicine and fitness programs have allowed RB's to stretch their careers to 31, 32, 33, and possibly beyond.

And longer when they haven't played in a few years. In the last 3 he's played how many?The control part to me means the NFL doesn't allow contact until reinstated.

 

[David Yudkin]

And the 30 year ceiling on RB's has been shattered. RB's can play beyond the age of 30.

shattered? how so?

Shattered by a whole bunch of RB's doing well after the age of 30. Emmitt Smith, Marshall Faulk, Tiki Barber, Curtis Martin, Priest Holmes. Do I need to keep going? That magical number of 30 is not the end of a RB's career. Modern medicine and fitness programs have allowed RB's to stretch their careers to 31, 32, 33, and possibly beyond.

I ran some numbers on the age vs production issue. Rather than butcher the formatting, I am attaching a simple spreadsheet to show on a percentage basis how well RBs do at different ages and what percentage of the time they hit certain fantasy scoring milestones.To better explain, I considered RBs that had at least 100 carries in a season at each age interval (21, 22, 23, etc.). Then I added up the number of times a RB in that age group hit a fantasy scoring milestone (100 points, 150 points, 200 points with 0 PPR).

On a percentage basis, RB in the 30 and 31 age bracket have done as well as those in the 26 or 27 year bracket with regard to hitting 150 fantasy points (which I would say is basically someone in the RB2 range for fantasy purposes in a 12-team league). Since 1960, guys 30+ have not been quite as successful on a percentage basis in climbing over 200 fantasy points.

HOWEVER, I also broke it down to RBs 30 or older since 2002 (the past 5 seasons) and RBs 30 or 31 that have had 100 or more carries have done way better than the average. Long story short, guys 30 and 31 in recent years have done very well relatively speaking.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

I have to admit I heard on one of the radio shows down here that Ricky is in great shape and is looking forward greatly to the upcoming season. He has been working out since the inury.

There has been so much bad talk about him supposedly he is very motivated.

Just what they have on the radio down here in Florida.

 

[David Yudkin]

OK . . . it won't let me add the spreadsheet so we go with PLAN B.

Since 1960

AGE,100 CARRIES, 100 FP, % 100 FP, 150 FP, % 150 FP, 200 FP, % 200 FP

21, 19, 15, 78.9, 10, 52.6, 7, 36.8

22, 114, 74, 64.9, 35, 30.7, 16, 14.0

23, 256, 180, 70.3, 84, 32.8, 34, 13.3

24, 311, 224, 72.0, 108, 34.7, 42, 13.5

25, 306, 230, 75.2, 107, 35.0, 46, 15.0

26, 262, 220, 84.0, 110, 42.0, 54, 20.6

27, 234, 176, 75.2, 94, 40.2, 44, 18.8

28, 188, 142, 75.5, 65, 34.6, 26, 13.8

29, 134, 99, 73.9, 52, 38.8, 22, 16.4

30, 85, 67, 78.8, 37, 43.5, 15, 17.6

31, 53, 36, 67.9, 21, 39.6, 8, 15.1

32, 32, 26, 81.3, 8, 25.0, 3, 9.4

33, 16, 12, 75.0, 5, 31.3, 0, 0.00

34, 7, 8, 114, 2, 28.6, 1, 14.3

35, 4, 4, 100, 3, 75.0, 1, 25.0

36, 2, 2, 100, 1, 50.0, 0, 0

37, 1, 1, 100, 0, 0.00, 0, 0.00

Since 2002

AGE, 100 CARRIES, 100 FP, % 100 FP, 150 FP, % 150 FP, 200 FP, % 200 FP

30, 12, 11, 91.7, 9, 75.0, 4, 33.3

31, 14, 12, 85.7, 7, 50.0, 2, 14.3

32, 8, 8, 100, 3, 37.5, 1, 12.5

33, 3, 1, 33.3, 0, 0.00, 0, 0.00

34, 0, 0, N/A, 0, N/A, 0, N/A

35, 1, 1, 100, 1, 100, 0, 0.00

36, 0, 0, N/A, 0, N/A, 0, N/A

37, 0, 0, N/A, 0, N/A, 0, N/A

 

[Chadstroma]

HC Cam Cameron said even less . . .

Q: Have you had a chance to talk to Ricky Williams yet?

A: “No. And you know why. It’s philosophy; focus on what you can control. You only have 1440 minutes a day. That’s all we have. How are you going to spend those 1440 minutes? If I’m spending 10 minutes on something that ultimately I have no control over, that’s 10 minutes that I could be spending with somebody who’s on our roster. Philosophically, you’re not going to get me away from that one. I think we can all understand how that makes sense. Did I always have that figured out? Absolutely not. But you’ve only got so much time in a day, and I think you’ve got to try to be as focused with that time as you can so that you can have a life with your family and still win a championship.”

LINK

So- an NFL coach has now sway one way or the other over whether or not a player will come play for him? If I change things up and change it from the NFL world to the business world, as a manger, I think I have some control over whether I make any effort to bring a guy over to my business unit or not. Once I extend my hand, then I have no control over what that person decides. But in my mind, that tells me that the Dolphins have no interest in having Ricky on the team. Either that or Cam has some growing to do as a head coach.

 

[Chadstroma]

And the 30 year ceiling on RB's has been shattered. RB's can play beyond the age of 30.

shattered? how so?

Shattered by a whole bunch of RB's doing well after the age of 30. Emmitt Smith, Marshall Faulk, Tiki Barber, Curtis Martin, Priest Holmes. Do I need to keep going? That magical number of 30 is not the end of a RB's career. Modern medicine and fitness programs have allowed RB's to stretch their careers to 31, 32, 33, and possibly beyond.

And longer when they haven't played in a few years. In the last 3 he's played how many?The control part to me means the NFL doesn't allow contact until reinstated.

Did not think about that... good point. Sitting back in the corner of the room now....

 

[TheFanatic]

Anyone have any idea when Ricky can apply for reinstatement? Isn't it in April?

 

[Ned]

And the 30 year ceiling on RB's has been shattered. RB's can play beyond the age of 30.

shattered? how so?

Shattered by a whole bunch of RB's doing well after the age of 30. Emmitt Smith, Marshall Faulk, Tiki Barber, Curtis Martin, Priest Holmes. Do I need to keep going? That magical number of 30 is not the end of a RB's career. Modern medicine and fitness programs have allowed RB's to stretch their careers to 31, 32, 33, and possibly beyond.

yes, keep going. each one of those players were special talents of which 3 of the 5 are hof locks.

 

[identikit]

Anyone have any idea when Ricky can apply for reinstatement? Isn't it in April?

I've heard and read in quite a few places that Ricky will apply in April, yes.Id

 

[Chadstroma]

And the 30 year ceiling on RB's has been shattered. RB's can play beyond the age of 30.

shattered? how so?

Shattered by a whole bunch of RB's doing well after the age of 30. Emmitt Smith, Marshall Faulk, Tiki Barber, Curtis Martin, Priest Holmes. Do I need to keep going? That magical number of 30 is not the end of a RB's career. Modern medicine and fitness programs have allowed RB's to stretch their careers to 31, 32, 33, and possibly beyond.

yes, keep going. each one of those players were special talents of which 3 of the 5 are hof locks.

I agree, but I also think that with Ricky having so much time off that he does not have the normal wear and tear that a 30 year old back usually does at this point of a career. On the other hand, he was a workhorse when he was playing.... so maybe they both counter each other? Who knows...

 

[Couch Potato]

Anyone have any idea when Ricky can apply for reinstatement? Isn't it in April?

I've heard and read in quite a few places that Ricky will apply in April, yes.

The suspension was upheld on April 25 last year (the failed test was in Feb., and he met with the NFL April 10 regarding the appeal). So, I think he can be reinstated no sooner than April 25 this year. Presumably the league will have an answer before the draft less than a week later so the Dolphins know if they have him available or not.

 

[TheFanatic]

And the 30 year ceiling on RB's has been shattered. RB's can play beyond the age of 30.

shattered? how so?

Shattered by a whole bunch of RB's doing well after the age of 30. Emmitt Smith, Marshall Faulk, Tiki Barber, Curtis Martin, Priest Holmes. Do I need to keep going? That magical number of 30 is not the end of a RB's career. Modern medicine and fitness programs have allowed RB's to stretch their careers to 31, 32, 33, and possibly beyond.

yes, keep going. each one of those players were special talents of which 3 of the 5 are hof locks.

You make it sound like these guys are flukes because they are special talents. The fact of the matter is that these guys in the last few years went well beyond 30 playing well. Alexander, Edge, and Ahman Green are up next. Gonna chalk them as unique talents too and the next guy and the next guy and the next guy? Priest wasn't a unique talent in Baltimore. Tiki only really dominated the last few years. I almost fotgot Jerome Bettis who ran for 900 yards and 13 TD's at 32. Warrick Dunn is 32. He ran for 1400 yards at 31. Fred Taylor ran for 1100 yards at 31 last year.

It used to be that nobody after 30 ran for 1K yards and I just named close to 10 that did it in the last 4 years. Or are all of these guys "special" talents and that we will never see this again? Keep living in the past and your leatue mates will keep taking your money....Yudkin has some very compelling stats. I list a bunch of over 30 RB's performing well and all you have is they are "special talents." Move on. You aren't worth my time....

 

[cstu]

He's stoned.

No he isn't. The last story I read has him staying in the US and being tested 3 times a week. He is at 220, wants to play and is healthy.

How hard was it to scan about a third of the way down the blogger page to find this link?Come on people. Do a little leg work on your own. Everything this guy said is repeated in this article. Considering he is much more talented than Ronnie Brown, he's going to play this year....

I think you've been stealing some of Ricky's stash and smoking it to make these comments.

And I think you are a delusional Brown owner hoping to God that Ricky doesn't come back. Either that or that someone in our league is stupid enough to trade what you think is market value for the guy. And don't act like you aren't at all worried about Ricky eating into Ronnie's carries. You have had Ronnie on the block for weeks now hoping anyone will take him off your hands. I've made numerous posts on why it makes perfect sense for him to play this year but you don't offer any dispute of those points other than over done bad insults.

Let me sum up again. Ricky costs the Dolphins practically nothing to have in uniform this year. He is getting tested 3 times a week and has been clean for over a year. With the former O-Line coach of the Chargers in Miami, I would think that Ricky would fit the mold of an LT more than Brown. Not quite the pass catcher that LT is but more in terms of running style. The league is moving to a 1-2 punch at RB more and more these days. The Colts won the SB with that method. Since Brown hasn't been able to stay healty and was most productive in a 2 back system at Auburn one would think having Ricky there would be a no brainer.

You can face the fact that you overpaid for Brown and accept that he's not the wonderful talent you expected him to be or you can keep throwing lame insults and bulk smiley's at me.

He will be a 30 year old rb on opening day this season coming off of a broken leg. I'm sure that's something the new coaching staff wants to build his team around. If Ricky comes back he might get some carries, I'm not saying he won't but it will be in a backup role. I was laughing at the fact that you think it will be a rbbc at best for Brown. I don't know why you would think this. The Dolphins picked Brown #2 overall to be their rb for the future. He has not disappointed at all in his 2 years except for a nagging injury in his 1st year and a broken hand. If you want to say he is injury prone for the first years' incident I could agree but breaking your hand in another players' facemask I put up there in the freak injury category. If he can't stay healthy let me ask you a ?. Do you think the Bears are going to give Peterson alot of carries since Benson has clearly shown the inconsistency to stay healthy? My guess is you'll find a reason to justify that answer cause you own him. Here is the facts Scotty. Ricky is 30 years old and can't be counted ondue to off the field issues, he is coming off a broken leg and hasn't played in the nfl for a year. Ronnie is younger and has more invested him. These are facts, now you can think what you want but I'll be just fine pimping Brown in the offseason cause he will back it up just fine.Also, I've offered Brown to 2 people in our league and both times it is only because he is up at the end of the year and I probably couldn't protect him. Again, that is the only reason. (Chad and Art...that's it.)

I think Bill and I were talking about some scenario's about him but nothing was actually offered.

No, the Phins are not going to build around Ricky. But they will use him. Brown has never played 16 games. Not in College and not in the pros. And more than that he's not that talented. Ricky is the better back. He's older but he's better. And the 30 year ceiling on RB's has been shattered. RB's can play beyond the age of 30.Brown actually played better with Ricky in the lineup. He had more YPC with another RB complimenting him. The same happened in college.

And you can try to make comparisons to Benson, but Benson has not been given the ball for a year on his own like Brown did last year.

But good luck with Brown. I'm sure he'll lead you to yet another losing season. How many is that in a row now? Got to be close to 6 right?

Wow, that's a clever come back. How could I possibly refute that? Are you and BJ going to the same school of argument and debate? The guy can't play a whole season. His numbers are decent but by no means worthy of his 2nd overall selection. And he has yet to live up to the the hype. Maybe he turns it around in his 3rd year. But that 3rd year rule usually works for WR and not RB's. RB's are supposed to have a pretty easy transition into the NFL. Brown, not so much....But hey, if you think of something that at least remotely adds to the discussion, feel free to post. Till then maybe you should lurk a bit more....

I doubt anyone is going to dispute his durability issues, but as far as not being that talented I have to disagree. Not many RB's have averaged 4.3 YPC their first two year on a team with as many issues as the Dolphins and he's an excellent receiver as well.

 

[3nOut]

Per KFFL:

Dolphins | R. Williams expected to be reinstatedFri, 30 Mar 2007 17:27:19 -0700KFFL has learned Miami Dolphins RB Ricky Williams (suspension) is expected to be reinstated.

I'm suprised that Houston didn't previously trade Carr to Miami for Ricky's rights. They had nothing to lose since they were releasing Carr anyway. They could have had a cheap option at RB (a need and an upgrade) for a year or two. I think it would have been a win/win for both teams.

 

[cscmtp]

may be a honda, but heard on Sirius today that Ricky (or his agent) have already filed all the necessary paperwork to get reinstated to the league. Not sure what comes next, but they have done their part. He really wants to return.

 

[ooofffaaa]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2820270

 

[Chadstroma]

Per KFFL:

Dolphins | R. Williams expected to be reinstatedFri, 30 Mar 2007 17:27:19 -0700KFFL has learned Miami Dolphins RB Ricky Williams (suspension) is expected to be reinstated.

I'm suprised that Houston didn't previously trade Carr to Miami for Ricky's rights. They had nothing to lose since they were releasing Carr anyway. They could have had a cheap option at RB (a need and an upgrade) for a year or two. I think it would have been a win/win for both teams.

You do realize that you are talking about Houston doing something somewhat intelligent, right?

 

[Chadstroma]

Harvey Fialkov, of the Sun-Sentinel, reports Miami Dolphins may not keep RB Ricky Williams even if he is reinstated by the league. The Dolphins drafted RB Lorenzo Booker and he seems to fit the team's need for a third-down back behind starting RB Ronnie Brown.

Off to the Rams?

 

[3nOut]

Does this means they will cut him or trade him? How else needs a RB? Green Bay? How about Ricky for Rodgers?

Teams that can use Ricky:

Green Bay (actually still have a need)

St. Louis (no need but there is interest)

Miami? (umm...)

Houston?

San Diego (they can then trade Turner)

 

[David Yudkin]

Harvey Fialkov, of the Sun-Sentinel, reports Miami Dolphins may not keep RB Ricky Williams even if he is reinstated by the league. The Dolphins drafted RB Lorenzo Booker and he seems to fit the team's need for a third-down back behind starting RB Ronnie Brown.

Off to the Rams?

I doubt it after they just drafted Leonard.

 

[ooofffaaa]

The Dolphins lost both Sammy Morris & Travis Minor to FA. Both of those guys backed up Ronnie Brown.

So who will now back up Ronnie Brown?

Lorenzo Booker is a rookie who'll play ST and learn the ropes in Year 1.

Ricky Williams will be a Dolphin THIS year . . .

He's cheap

As long as he keep his nose clean the man can run the football.

I'd rather have Ricky backing up Ronnie that some craptastic 5th or 6th rd draft pick.

There must be a bunch of scared Ronnie Brown owners in this thread.

 

[Chadstroma]

Does this means they will cut him or trade him? How else needs a RB? Green Bay? How about Ricky for Rodgers?Teams that can use Ricky:Green Bay (actually still have a need)St. Louis (no need but there is interest)Miami? (umm...)Houston?San Diego (they can then trade Turner)

You would think Green Bay would be constantly on the phone to both the Chargers and Dolphins trying to make a deal. They can not be seriously happy with what they have!

 

[T Man]

Pure speculation. But I could see the Chargers and the Rams being interested. Green Bay could also be interested.

Norv was the OC for Ricky - although he did run him into the ground. But San Diego could get Ricky and then trade Turner. With Ricky they should have a solid backup and AJ can try to recoup the 1st rounder in 2008 that he supposedly turned down.

The Rams have another former OC in Linehan. RW should be a solid #2 there as well. IIRC Linehan has spoken about how he would go after RW.

As for GB, with the pick of the Nebraska RB, they seemed to have filled a need. But Ricky would provide depth. And, McCarthy was the OC for the Saints under Haslett -- not sure if he was there when Ricky was. But I just don't see Ricky fitting in there with what the GM wants to do. But I guess if the price was right.

I also don't see the Dolphins keeping him. THe coaching staff that supported him is gone. Cameron likely wants to move forward not look back. He does have value since his contract is so low, but it may be more in trade value -- although the suspension possibility lowers it dramatically.

Maybe a Ricky Williams for Trent Green trade. THe way KC ran Johnson last year, he could use another backup to go with Bennett.

 

[kensat30]

Why would Miami want to get rid of Ricky Williams? Personal and league issues aside, he is the best RB on their roster. Salary is not an issue considering he is pretty much making the league minimum.

 

[TheFanatic]

And the 30 year ceiling on RB's has been shattered. RB's can play beyond the age of 30.

shattered? how so?

Shattered by a whole bunch of RB's doing well after the age of 30. Emmitt Smith, Marshall Faulk, Tiki Barber, Curtis Martin, Priest Holmes. Do I need to keep going? That magical number of 30 is not the end of a RB's career. Modern medicine and fitness programs have allowed RB's to stretch their careers to 31, 32, 33, and possibly beyond.

yes, keep going. each one of those players were special talents of which 3 of the 5 are hof locks.

You make it sound like these guys are flukes because they are special talents. The fact of the matter is that these guys in the last few years went well beyond 30 playing well. Alexander, Edge, and Ahman Green are up next. Gonna chalk them as unique talents too and the next guy and the next guy and the next guy? Priest wasn't a unique talent in Baltimore. Tiki only really dominated the last few years. I almost fotgot Jerome Bettis who ran for 900 yards and 13 TD's at 32. Warrick Dunn is 32. He ran for 1400 yards at 31. Fred Taylor ran for 1100 yards at 31 last year.

It used to be that nobody after 30 ran for 1K yards and I just named close to 10 that did it in the last 4 years. Or are all of these guys "special" talents and that we will never see this again? Keep living in the past and your leatue mates will keep taking your money....Yudkin has some very compelling stats. I list a bunch of over 30 RB's performing well and all you have is they are "special talents." Move on. You aren't worth my time....

Still waiting on a response from Ned on this. I would really like him to show me how RB's hit the wall at 30 and are never heard from again.....

 

[David Yudkin]

Still waiting on a response from Ned on this. I would really like him to show me how RB's hit the wall at 30 and are never heard from again.....

There have been 77 RBs since 1960 age 30+ that have had 150+ fantasy points in a season.There have been 40 RBs since 1960 age 31+ that have had 150+ fantasy points in a season.There have been 19 RBs since 1960 age 32+ that have had 150+ fantasy points in a season.

 

[Blackjacks]

Anyone have any idea when Ricky can apply for reinstatement? Isn't it in April?

Now it is September until Ricky takes Brown's job right? There is your smiley face you wanted earlier in the thread.I also just looked over this thread and I saw where you stated that Ricky had been test and hadn't smoked week in like 3 months or something. Would you like to go back on that statement now?

 

[TheFanatic]

Anyone have any idea when Ricky can apply for reinstatement? Isn't it in April?

Now it is September until Ricky takes Brown's job right? There is your smiley face you wanted earlier in the thread.I also just looked over this thread and I saw where you stated that Ricky had been test and hadn't smoked week in like 3 months or something. Would you like to go back on that statement now?

Tim you are completely dense....Seriously. The guy has been drug tested for 3 years and yes I stated that he has been clean for 3 years. His last failed drug test was for a suppliment, not weed. Then in the last 30 days he fails a test? I believe I made my statement more than 30 days ago so I will absolutely stand by my statement. Got any more inane babble to talk about?