Gr00vus
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He also seems to be able to make a trade or two per season (which involves other GMs of course).
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Any news on Vincent Jackson trade rumors? (1 Viewer)
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Nope trade highly unlikely now. Teams might as well just wait for the offseason when hes likely to become an unrestricted free agent and sign him without giving up any draft compensation.
dgreen
Footballguy
You answered your own question.
The league could look very different in 4 weeks just before the deadline. Team needs today may change.
1 second rounder would have been a GREAT deal for vjax. No idea what's going on.
Jackson could still be a restricted free agent next season. Even if he's an unrestricted free agent, the Chargers may be able to tag-and-trade him. There are realistic scenarios that could still result in the Chargers getting better than a third-round comp.
1 year out of the NFL there is no team willing to pay high for that. SD fails.
Max Power
Footballguy
Like getting Chris Chambers. That was a 2nd rd pick wasn't it?
kylechoffman
Footballguy
They should have taken the vikes offer. We need mcneil more than we need vjax and we could have used the draft picks.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Nicknames funny though. Has Archie Manning publicly called him that?Sounds like sour grapes from someone who cost himself and his client millions of dollars.Oooh. Take that SD.From VJAX's agent Jonathan Feinsod: "Archie Manning had it right. They call AJ (AJ Smith) 'The Lord of No Rings' for a reason"
shader
Footballguy
It's obvious that AJ Smith and the Chargers have everything mapped out and have decided that unless they get a 2nd and 3rd, that it's not worth it. Best to let this all get behind us before we judge AJ Smith.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Part of me thinks this isn't over. I'm totally guessing, but I think A.J. wants to have his cake and eat it too here. They probably never were going to sign Jackson to a long term deal, but they did want him to play this year. The door still isn't totally closed on that. So he can revisit that later in the season after having some time to see if the team really needs Jackson this season for some reason. I guess that he values that possibility higher than what people were willing to give him in trade to forgo it. Key here is I guess. Maybe his ego got the better of him here, but that hasn't seemed to be how he's conducted things (despite what most think).
skillz
Footballguy
I don't have a problem with AJ standing firm.
Why should he allow the Vikes - a clear obstacle to SD winning the Super Bowl if they get VJax - to get a WR to upgrade their offense. Unless he was going to get a great deal for him, I think SD is better off if VJax sits out then plays for a team like the Vikings. VJax is not playing for SD this season anyway and there is now one less team for SD to worry about in its quest for a Super Bowl.
Why should he allow the Vikes - a clear obstacle to SD winning the Super Bowl if they get VJax - to get a WR to upgrade their offense. Unless he was going to get a great deal for him, I think SD is better off if VJax sits out then plays for a team like the Vikings. VJax is not playing for SD this season anyway and there is now one less team for SD to worry about in its quest for a Super Bowl.
Fred Lane
Footballguy
What is the likelihood that VJ returns the favor to AJ?
For example, he could agree to rejoin the Chargers after Week 3, following the suspension. The Chargers keep him out for 3 weeks, which puts us at week 7 before he is eligible to play. At that point, he just goes through the motions, drops every ball his way, and essentially disrupts the team practice unless they tell him not to show up, or flat our release him....
For example, he could agree to rejoin the Chargers after Week 3, following the suspension. The Chargers keep him out for 3 weeks, which puts us at week 7 before he is eligible to play. At that point, he just goes through the motions, drops every ball his way, and essentially disrupts the team practice unless they tell him not to show up, or flat our release him....
Max Power
Footballguy
You don't think this is going to be a major talking point in the upcoming CBA talks? The players union wont stand for this.
Shutout
Footballguy
Except he would be wrong...again. AJ Smith blew this one and se the Chargers back. He now risks getting nothing for VJ.VJAX doesn't need to risk injury to play for less than $1M this year. He already has 5 years in. He just sits back and waits for the new CBA. It will definitely not increase the UFA requirements as high as 6 years (the union would NEVER go for that), so now he waits and walks. Cashes in as he wanted. Chargers will hope that the new rules net them at least a 3rd in Comp pick (which is not guaranteed and is Not tradeable if it happens).I LOVE AJ SMITH
AJ SHOULD CALL V. JAX AND SIMPLY SAY "OWNED" AND HANG UP.
AJ Smith is an idiot in this one. The guy that has the rep of putting players under his thumb playing hardball just lost this one unless VJAX foolishly caves...
griff321
Footballguy
After sitting out an entire year!? I'd be shocked to see the Chargers net anything higher then a third after this move. I'll come back to this thread and eat the crow if it does happen, but I can't think of another situation where that has happened.
Smith must be thinking that the loss of a better draft pick (2nd now or 3rd for compensatory) is outweighed by the future understanding amongst his players that he will not be pressured into renegotiating with or trading players upset with their contract. If that works, he could ultimately save the team salary cap room. Doesn't do wonders for player morale though.
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Shutout
Footballguy
Tagging and trading, in any fashion still gives VJAX what he wants...A boatload of jack and a long term deal with guaranteed money...The Chargers still lose him. VJax still gets what he wanted all along. its semantics.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
He'd be much better off just sitting out the season.
matttyl
Footballguy
Even in a dynasty format?! I was offered a rookie pick next year for him, but one would think he's worth at least a top 5 rookie pick next year, right?
skillz
Footballguy
I would think SD would just suspend him for season for conduct detrimental to the team. Plus, if the issue is between AJ and Vjax it should stay between them - dropping balls and dogging it on the field impacts his teammates too. Becoming a cancer like that is also probably not going to help VJax's value in the marketplace either.
Mr. PadresLakers
Footballguy
Sounds like a brilliant plan to hike up his value on the open market in the offseason.The amateur psychologists in the Shark Pool are hilarious.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
The San Diego Chargers Organization are pretty laughable today too.
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Fred Lane
Footballguy
And then there's the amateur SD fans that can't seem to discuss scenario possibilities without taking a pot shot, 'cause it upsets them to think of the possibility.I agree that a poor attitude can hurt his value, but it's not like it hasn't been done in the past. Haynesworth and Moss are a few that come to mind...
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Couldn't even get the edit right - awesome.The San Diego Chargers Organization are a pretty laughable today too.
I don't think Vincent Jackson will be a major talking point, but his situation will probably be discussed.The question is whether a new CBA would retain the provision in the current CBA stating that a player can't go from restricted status to unrestricted status by sitting out the whole year. If I had to guess, I'd guess that a new CBA would retain that provision — although I think it's possible that it would make a one-time exception for Vincent Jackson and other RFAs who have accrued more than four years of service.If I were Jackson's agent, I would have him report after the seventh game (making him eligible to play after the tenth game) to avoid taking that risk. But his agents have so far not always given the same advice that I would have, so I don't know whether that will happen.
identikit
Footballguy
Some interesting info from Jason LaCanfora:
--Exchanged some texts with Vincent Jackson, who expressed the following: "I just don't understand why (a trade was not completed)...
--More VJ:"They obviously think i'm a valuable player by asking for such high trade compensation, but why am i only offered tender salary? ...
--More VJ: "My agents and teams interested did everything to make it happen, but this organization stopped it. I just want to play football..
--Final statement from Vincent Jackson: "It feels unethical and I am disappointed."
--Exchanged some texts with Vincent Jackson, who expressed the following: "I just don't understand why (a trade was not completed)...
--More VJ:"They obviously think i'm a valuable player by asking for such high trade compensation, but why am i only offered tender salary? ...
--More VJ: "My agents and teams interested did everything to make it happen, but this organization stopped it. I just want to play football..
--Final statement from Vincent Jackson: "It feels unethical and I am disappointed."
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
They're already playing without him - why would you think they'd put him out there if he was dogging it?
And Brandon Marshall. (And arguably Jay Cutler.)
Mr. PadresLakers
Footballguy
You guys get really worked up about 20 slots of draft position. If this stops any other future Chargers holdouts its a huge win for the organization. I know that kind of forward thinking is absolutely over everyone's head in this thread.The San Diego Chargers Organization are a pretty laughable today too.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
Ithink the collateral damage may outweigh the benefitsYou guys get really worked up about 20 slots of draft position. If this stops any other future Chargers holdouts its a huge win for the organization. I know that kind of forward thinking is absolutely over everyone's head in this thread.The San Diego Chargers Organization are a pretty laughable today too.
Fred Lane
Footballguy
I don't think they'd play him in that situation. But as long as he reported, he would get a year of eligibility. By reporting earlier, maybe the team would want to trade him BEFORE he would hit the field (say around week 7). If he waits it out until week 10, his value in a trade drops quite a bit.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
AJ should offer him a one year 4-5 million dollar deal to play out this season. Anyone really think the Chargers arent much better with him?
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Not the way A.J. builds this team. I don't know if you noticed, but he doesn't exactly go hog wild in free agency. And as already mentioned, he's had no problems making deals he's wanted to make so far. I doubt this situation changes that.Ithink the collateral damage may outweigh the benefitsYou guys get really worked up about 20 slots of draft position. If this stops any other future Chargers holdouts its a huge win for the organization. I know that kind of forward thinking is absolutely over everyone's head in this thread.The San Diego Chargers Organization are a pretty laughable today too.
Mr. PadresLakers
Footballguy
Its an absurd possibility. Vincent Jackson wants to get paid. Why would he further weaken his market value by tanking a season and becoming a team cancer instead of a promising deep threat who doesn't know how to call a cab?
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
I know, you'd think I worked for the Chargers or something. I really AJ'd that post.Couldn't even get the edit right - awesome.The San Diego Chargers Organization are a pretty laughable today too.
John 14:6
Jesus is Lord!
Good point.
No, you want to play football and get paid more money. Nothing's stopping you from playing after the suspension.I'm not against VJ holding out, but he should say it like it is...
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I don't think they'll offer him more than their original tender offer - which actually might make sense for Jackson at some point as it'll apply to fewer games. And in my opinion it's still to be determined as to whether the Chargers would be much better with him. I'm of the opinion that they wouldn't be that much better. Their success will be determined by what their defense does, I expect their offense to be roughly as effective as it has been the last three years or so with or without Jackson.
John 14:6
Jesus is Lord!
I know, you'd think I worked for the Chargers or something. I really AJ'd that post.Couldn't even get the edit right - awesome.The San Diego Chargers Organization are a pretty laughable today too.
Mr. PadresLakers
Footballguy
What damage has been caused? "I don't want to sign with San Diego anymore because if I want to hold out they won't cave in to my demands or trade me"?"I'm not going to trade with the Chargers GM because he valued the rights to Vincent Jackson at a higher level than other teams"?Ithink the collateral damage may outweigh the benefitsYou guys get really worked up about 20 slots of draft position. If this stops any other future Chargers holdouts its a huge win for the organization. I know that kind of forward thinking is absolutely over everyone's head in this thread.The San Diego Chargers Organization are a pretty laughable today too.
Fred Lane
Footballguy
I think you skirting around my point. My point is to join the team as soon as possible, rather than as late as possible. Then, continue to push for an inseason trade sooner rather than later. At the same time, I don't think he really wants to hit the field and risk injury on his current salary, so he avoids that happening as well....
Max Power
Footballguy
more like 40 spots, with the potential to be as high as 60You guys get really worked up about 20 slots of draft position. If this stops any other future Chargers holdouts its a huge win for the organization. I know that kind of forward thinking is absolutely over everyone's head in this thread.The San Diego Chargers Organization are a pretty laughable today too.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
You cant possibly think Floyd, Buster etc command the same kind of attention Jackson would. The time they miss him is when they go against the good teams not the Jacksonvilles of the NFL.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I remember a few years back when people said that about the Charger receiving corps, back when Jackson was just getting started. Given Rivers and Gates, all these other guys need to do is catch the ball when they're open (because they're not commanding attention right?). If they can't do that, then maybe they'll miss Jackson. I think they can, so he won't be a big loss. I think this is how most Charger fans see things too, which is why you don't see that many Charger fans freaking out about this situation. We're much more worried about the defense.But if you want to put together an "A.J. is an egotistical moron" conspiracy theory, try this out - he's secretly happy Jackson didn't report so his golden boy Craig Davis can get more game action reps. I don't really believe that, but it's as entertaining as the plain old A.J. wants to stick it to Jackson and his agents no matter what angle.
Mr. PadresLakers
Footballguy
Seems like a small price to pay to help ensure future talent doesn't think they can ask for a receive and a trade and new contract whenever they feel like it.more like 40 spots, with the potential to be as high as 60You guys get really worked up about 20 slots of draft position. If this stops any other future Chargers holdouts its a huge win for the organization. I know that kind of forward thinking is absolutely over everyone's head in this thread.The San Diego Chargers Organization are a pretty laughable today too.
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SYMPHONY X
Footballguy
Just heard one of the best quotes/burns ever on NFL Live. Vincent Jax's agent said:
"We had multiple offers on the table from multiple teams, and the Chargers squashed them all. Archie Manning had it right. They call A.J. Smith the Lord of No Rings for a reason."
Ouch!!
"We had multiple offers on the table from multiple teams, and the Chargers squashed them all. Archie Manning had it right. They call A.J. Smith the Lord of No Rings for a reason."
Ouch!!
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I disagree that he had a good point. He was offered the HIGHEST tender salary, which is good for a first and a third. Meaning at the time, losing him was worth a first and a third. Now that he'd be out for four-six games, losing him is worth a second and a third.
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i think i'm the only charger's fan who ISN'T slobbering all over AJ's knob for 'sticking it to VJ'
no, the chargers could have offered morein fact there's no cap on what they could have offered
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