Anybody else think this was bush league? (1 Viewer)

[DropKick]

Anybody else think Eckel's TD w/19 seconds remaining was totally bush league? Already up by 14, doesn't a classy coach just tell his QB to take a knee there?Just re-affirms my opinion that Belicheck is an arrogant jerk with no class whatsoever. I hope this comes back to bite them in the backside.

Only whiny tools think its bush league. Thats what whiners do... they lose and complain about anything and everything possible.Who care about your opinion?HTH

 

[Chili1034]

The 100 players on the field and the thousands still watching at home knew Eckel was going to run up the gut. Classless would be an onsides kick after the Eckel run and then a hail mary.

 

[Urinal Mint]

Classless would be an onsides kick after the Eckel run and then a hail mary.

Sounds like something the '06 Saints would do.

 

[Colin Dowling]

3. Rodney Harrison is a cheaterSo is Albert Haynesworth. So are many, many players names who haven't been exposed until they fail the second time, as Harrison did. He admitted to it, unlike say Shawn Merriman.

Admitting you're a cheater makes it okay? You are right that there are a ton of cheaters who haven't been caught. But I have very little regard for any of the guys of which I'm aware, including Rodney Harrison and Merriman.

 

[Colin Dowling]

The 100 players on the field and the thousands still watching at home knew Eckel was going to run up the gut. Classless would be an onsides kick after the Eckel run and then a hail mary.

I did like that gravy-trainer Junio Seau grabbing his helmet to get on the field on offense for that play. Yeah, Junior, we're going to run a gimmick play just so you can get an offensive snap when the game is already over.

 

[dirtywaters20]

Anybody else think Eckel's TD w/19 seconds remaining was totally bush league? Already up by 14, doesn't a classy coach just tell his QB to take a knee there?Just re-affirms my opinion that Belicheck is an arrogant jerk with no class whatsoever. I hope this comes back to bite them in the backside.

Considering Eckel is from Navy and BB has a history with Navy I wasn't surprised that he let him punch it in. The touchdown would have never had happened if Wade hadn't of called the timeout.

Nothing more than Belichick throwing a bone to a Navy guy that probably busts his ### during the week to try and help his team prepare.

 

[Workhorse]

The 100 players on the field and the thousands still watching at home knew Eckel was going to run up the gut. Classless would be an onsides kick after the Eckel run and then a hail mary.

I did like that gravy-trainer Junio Seau grabbing his helmet to get on the field on offense for that play. Yeah, Junior, we're going to run a gimmick play just so you can get an offensive snap when the game is already over.

Colin, Seau is part of the Patriots goal line package and has been in 4th and goal situations all year. It's not a "gimmick" play, it's part of the Pats standard 4th and inches package to use Seau as an H-back/extra TE there.Just to clarify the situation a bit.

 

[Colin Dowling]

The 100 players on the field and the thousands still watching at home knew Eckel was going to run up the gut. Classless would be an onsides kick after the Eckel run and then a hail mary.

I did like that gravy-trainer Junio Seau grabbing his helmet to get on the field on offense for that play. Yeah, Junior, we're going to run a gimmick play just so you can get an offensive snap when the game is already over.

Colin, Seau is part of the Patriots goal line package and has been in 4th and goal situations all year. It's not a "gimmick" play, it's part of the Pats standard 4th and inches package to use Seau as an H-back/extra TE there.Just to clarify the situation a bit.

I was under the impression that it was Vrabel who was part of the standard package, and Seau comes in occassionally. Fair enough if it's not a "gimmick", I just thought the look of utter-excitement about going in for a final play to punch in another touchdown was a little tacky. Then again, I don't care much for Seau so I'm probably not being fair about it.

 

[Workhorse]

The 100 players on the field and the thousands still watching at home knew Eckel was going to run up the gut. Classless would be an onsides kick after the Eckel run and then a hail mary.

I did like that gravy-trainer Junio Seau grabbing his helmet to get on the field on offense for that play. Yeah, Junior, we're going to run a gimmick play just so you can get an offensive snap when the game is already over.

Colin, Seau is part of the Patriots goal line package and has been in 4th and goal situations all year. It's not a "gimmick" play, it's part of the Pats standard 4th and inches package to use Seau as an H-back/extra TE there.Just to clarify the situation a bit.

I was under the impression that it was Vrabel who was part of the standard package, and Seau comes in occassionally. Fair enough if it's not a "gimmick", I just thought the look of utter-excitement about going in for a final play to punch in another touchdown was a little tacky. Then again, I don't care much for Seau so I'm probably not being fair about it.

Oh, don't get me wrong: Seau is a horse's patoot. I'm a Pats fan but I've never really liked his schtick. Classic case of a guy with a good motor who makes one standout play for every play that he overruns and blows. His showboating on an INT last week made me

 

[Obie Wan]

Maybe if the Cowboy D had actually shown up today....

Cowboys don't have a DHave been getting shredded all year -

 

[Colin Dowling]

The 100 players on the field and the thousands still watching at home knew Eckel was going to run up the gut. Classless would be an onsides kick after the Eckel run and then a hail mary.

I did like that gravy-trainer Junio Seau grabbing his helmet to get on the field on offense for that play. Yeah, Junior, we're going to run a gimmick play just so you can get an offensive snap when the game is already over.

Colin, Seau is part of the Patriots goal line package and has been in 4th and goal situations all year. It's not a "gimmick" play, it's part of the Pats standard 4th and inches package to use Seau as an H-back/extra TE there.Just to clarify the situation a bit.

I was under the impression that it was Vrabel who was part of the standard package, and Seau comes in occassionally. Fair enough if it's not a "gimmick", I just thought the look of utter-excitement about going in for a final play to punch in another touchdown was a little tacky. Then again, I don't care much for Seau so I'm probably not being fair about it.

Oh, don't get me wrong: Seau is a horse's patoot. I'm a Pats fan but I've never really liked his schtick. Classic case of a guy with a good motor who makes one standout play for every play that he overruns and blows. His showboating on an INT last week made me

 

[RC94]

Anybody else think Eckel's TD w/19 seconds remaining was totally bush league? Already up by 14, doesn't a classy coach just tell his QB to take a knee there?Just re-affirms my opinion that Belicheck is an arrogant jerk with no class whatsoever. I hope this comes back to bite them in the backside.

Only whiny tools think its bush league. Thats what whiners do... they lose and complain about anything and everything possible.Who care about your opinion?HTH

I don't think it was bush league because it's the pros and it's the job of the other team to stop them, especially when it's the 4th string RB. However, if you think anyone cares about the opinion of a tool like you, you are sadly mistaken.HTH.

 

[PMENFAN]

The 100 players on the field and the thousands still watching at home knew Eckel was going to run up the gut. Classless would be an onsides kick after the Eckel run and then a hail mary.

I did like that gravy-trainer Junio Seau grabbing his helmet to get on the field on offense for that play. Yeah, Junior, we're going to run a gimmick play just so you can get an offensive snap when the game is already over.

Colin, Seau is part of the Patriots goal line package and has been in 4th and goal situations all year. It's not a "gimmick" play, it's part of the Pats standard 4th and inches package to use Seau as an H-back/extra TE there.Just to clarify the situation a bit.

I was under the impression that it was Vrabel who was part of the standard package, and Seau comes in occassionally. Fair enough if it's not a "gimmick", I just thought the look of utter-excitement about going in for a final play to punch in another touchdown was a little tacky. Then again, I don't care much for Seau so I'm probably not being fair about it.

Vrabl goes in primarilly as a TE. Jeau, or Seymour has been there, and even Wilfork, is used as the lead blocker. Call me crazy, but I like to see a guy excited about going in. Is Seau over the top a lot with his gyrations? Yeah, sure. But, any player who gets any chance to be ont he field and help a team score should get that excited. I like that about the guy. Remember, there's no guarantee of a score there. Dallas just has to stop them. Seau seemed excited about OPPORTUNITY, just as Eckel was. I just don't have a problem with professionals 'running it up'. Put in a slaughter rule if you want, but don't tell teams to stop playing because YOU think it should be over. Point has been made, but if they give the ball to Dallas, it can change in a hurry. coach wuits, team quits. This is the same Dallas team who scored 10 points in 20 seconds a week ago to win a game they should have lost.

 

[dirtywaters20]

Dallas did enough to beat themselves today. It's a good learning experience. If they can't stop a few consecutive dive plays at the end of the game, that's on them.

If by a "learning experience" you mean that they learned what everyone else already knew; They are simply not in the same class as the Patriots.

 

[Urinal Mint]

Dallas did enough to beat themselves today. It's a good learning experience. If they can't stop a few consecutive dive plays at the end of the game, that's on them.

If by a "learning experience" you mean that they learned what everyone else already knew; They are simply not in the same class as the Patriots.

 

[Brutis]

Dallas did enough to beat themselves today. It's a good learning experience. If they can't stop a few consecutive dive plays at the end of the game, that's on them.

If by a "learning experience" you mean that they learned what everyone else already knew; They are simply not in the same class as the Patriots.

Not with 12 or so penalties for over 100 yards they arent.

 

[Urinal Mint]

Dallas did enough to beat themselves today. It's a good learning experience. If they can't stop a few consecutive dive plays at the end of the game, that's on them.

If by a "learning experience" you mean that they learned what everyone else already knew; They are simply not in the same class as the Patriots.

Not with 12 or so penalties for over 100 yards they arent.

Watch out, he's going to come back and claim that every single one of those were caused by a superior New England team.

 

[Peyton Marino]

This has nothing to do with "classy" The goal is to win games on way to winning a championship. A few thoughts:While a FG gives them a near impossible to overcome three possession lead, a FG (one could argue) has a chance to get blocked, run back, then suddenly its a one possession game. If you don't punch it in, they STILL have to march down 99 yards with no (or one?) TO and then get an onside and then score.You get a chance to give a guy that works his ### off for not much acclaim the chance to get in the boxscore. That is good for team morale, and good morale = more wins, better shot at the championship.Was 100% the right call.

there was like 15 seconds left.

 

[((Morpheus))]

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YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME

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[Phurfur]

Three pages debating if it is right to score a TD in a football game. Some people need to find a new sport. Last I heard it is up to the defense to stop TDs.

 

[~Haze~]

there is all kinds of good stuff happening in here

 

[analog_hiss]

As a Cowboy fan I hated to see it, but as a brady, welker and moss owner I wanted them to throw for a td with 19 secs left.

I would have accepted added points for Welker without hesitation.

 

[Phurfur]

I didn't think it was bush league at all. Honestly I was more surprised by the Cowboys defense lack of tackeling on the play, they looked like a beaten team that didn't care.

This is the correct answer. Shame on the Cowboys for quitting!

 

[Brutis]

As a Cowboy fan I hated to see it, but as a brady, welker and moss owner I wanted them to throw for a td with 19 secs left.

I would have accepted added points for Welker without hesitation.

My fantasy teams always trump my favorite NFL team.

 

[Pskov1420]

If you don't like it when a team runs up 48 points on you, then you should have stopped the first 47.

 

[Bankerguy]

Cowboy homer:

I have no problem with that.

 

[guderian]

Classless would be an onsides kick after the Eckel run and then a hail mary.

Sounds like something the '06 Saints would do.

The Saints knelt the ball inside the Cowboys 10 with <2 minutes to play. They could have easily run it in again. If I recall correctly, the on side kick was in the 3rd quarter. Are you suggesting that the Saints should have stated taking it easy on them in the 3rd quarter???

 

[Brutis]

If you don't like it when a team runs up 48 points on you, then you should have stopped the first 47.

 

[Phurfur]

Classless would be an onsides kick after the Eckel run and then a hail mary.

Sounds like something the '06 Saints would do.

The Saints knelt the ball inside the Cowboys 10 with <2 minutes to play. They could have easily run it in again. If I recall correctly, the on side kick was in the 3rd quarter. Are you suggesting that the Saints should have stated taking it easy on them in the 3rd quarter???

You only take a knee when you can run out the clock. I have never seen a team take a knee and turn the ball over.

 

[Bankerguy]

I didn't think it was bush league at all. Honestly I was more surprised by the Cowboys defense lack of tackeling on the play, they looked like a beaten team that didn't care.

This is the correct answer. Shame on the Cowboys for quitting!

They didn't quit, they were gased. I believe NE ran over 70 offensive plays.It doesn't matter. Nothing wrong with the running it there.

 

[Sheriff66]

I don't think it was bush league, they were running the ball and killing the clock, if they went play action and scored, then it would have been bush league. This team is scary....

 

[Paddy O'Seanessy]

I believe Bellichek should have had them kneeling down.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Wait, why is this bush league? They Pats are supposed to take a knee on 4th down to keep from making the Cowboys feel bad? Is this seriously what you are saying? It's not like they could run the clock out (Phillips assured that) so what are they supposed to do? Some people get their feelings hurt way too easy.

It's called sportsmanship.

I don't really like either team, but I thought they should have taken a knee (AT FIRST). Then after thinking about it, I think trying to score was the right thing. 1) Wade called a timeout and that changed the perspective that they didn't give up. 2) If time could have run out while taking a knee then they should have taken a knee, but because it couldn't you might as well run the play and give some guy a chance to score. 3) Some of the far down tie breakers are points scored and allowed in common games and then even points scored and TD's. They are obscure and rarely are used, but Wade asked for it when he called a timeout, therefore NW did nothing wrong.BTW, someone was stating that BB was arrogant and classless, but Wade Phillips was quoted as saying (and I saw this) "I have already proved that I am am a great defensive coordinator and now I want to prove that I am a great coach." Talk about annointing yourself great? Please.

 

[Bonzai]

dumb play.

take a knee and avoid an injury.

 

[qazqaz11]

WOW, I can't believe how everyone here is missing the big picture. This had nothing to do with NEP running up the score on

the Cowboys, after all Dallas is still leading their division even with the loss. This had everything to do with NEP embarassing

the rest of the teams in the AFC East. Here's what the AFC East looked like when the Pats took the field.

NEP - 5-0

Buf - 1-4

NYJ - 1-5

Mia - 0-6

Using ANY starters in this game was typical classless BB. Putting Eckel in at the end of the game was arrogant. Eckel

should have started.....and played defense.....and kicked....and called the plays.

Beating Dallas is one thing, but humiliating a whole division is just wrong,wrong,wrong.

 

[dirtywaters20]

Dallas did enough to beat themselves today. It's a good learning experience. If they can't stop a few consecutive dive plays at the end of the game, that's on them.

If by a "learning experience" you mean that they learned what everyone else already knew; They are simply not in the same class as the Patriots.

Not with 12 or so penalties for over 100 yards they arent.

Watch out, he's going to come back and claim that every single one of those were caused by a superior New England team.

No you're right they were all false starts, offsides & illegal shifts. I'm sure there were no holding, or interference penalties. "Dallas did enough to beat themselves". Check the time of possession, total yards and most importantly the scoreboard. Apparently New England did more than enough as well.

 

[jonessed]

Noone is going to mistake BB as someone with class.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

I always wonder about this "running up the score" thing. If you're a player, do you care if you get beaten by 24 or 17? Really?

Seriously. Aside from the fact that Eckel is a scrub who only runs in blowouts, running up the score is only classless in college and high school against outmatched kids. The Dallas Cowboys are not Wichita State. They can handle a beating.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

Belichick bush league? Surely, you jest.

Dude is the epitome of bush league.

 

[horadadude]

I hope this comes back to bite them in the backside.

The game is over, how could it?

What a bitter Cowboy fan you are....Roy Williams is way overrated almost as much as Romo. Your team lost and to think you are going to the Superbowl after two horrible weeks in a row is nonsense.You are beat and got beat

 

[mad sweeney]

3. Rodney Harrison is a cheaterSo is Albert Haynesworth. So are many, many players names who haven't been exposed until they fail the second time, as Harrison did. He admitted to it, unlike say Shawn Merriman.

Admitting you're a cheater makes it okay? You are right that there are a ton of cheaters who haven't been caught. But I have very little regard for any of the guys of which I'm aware, including Rodney Harrison and Merriman.

Is saying "I didn't take it for comeptitive advantage" the same as admitting it? Cuz you don't get points for "admitting it" when you try to deflect what you're admitting to.

 

[strong]

Anybody else think Eckel's TD w/19 seconds remaining was totally bush league? Already up by 14, doesn't a classy coach just tell his QB to take a knee there?Just re-affirms my opinion that Belicheck is an arrogant jerk with no class whatsoever. I hope this comes back to bite them in the backside.

Dude. It was fourth down. That was the right call. Teams often go for fourth and short down there because you don't down it and kicking a field goal is semi risky. And anyone that thinks Dallas is better than NE after watching that game needs to take off the rose-tinted goggles.Cowfolk: Y'all better cross yer fingers Romo can take this team far because I have my doubts.

 

[GreenNGold]

No, in fact teams should never let up and always try to win by as big as margin as possible. Why? Because one of the playoff tie-breaking schemes comes down to point differential between similar opponents. Although you may never need it, you should score as many points as possible all season long, you never know when you might need those points as a tiebreaker at the end of the year.

 

[thayman]

No, in fact teams should never let up and always try to win by as big as margin as possible. Why? Because one of the playoff tie-breaking schemes comes down to point differential between similar opponents. Although you may never need it, you should score as many points as possible all season long, you never know when you might need those points as a tiebreaker at the end of the year.

I would think that the winner of the Pats Colts game will have more to do with playoff seeding than point differencial.

 

[moondawg]

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LOL - is this the new team logo ?

 

[perry147]

The coaches rule is (I believe) I will knell the ball down if I can retain possession until time runs out. That is all.

Sometimes it is extended to I will only run the ball if it is a blowout.

 

[GreenNGold]

No, in fact teams should never let up and always try to win by as big as margin as possible. Why? Because one of the playoff tie-breaking schemes comes down to point differential between similar opponents. Although you may never need it, you should score as many points as possible all season long, you never know when you might need those points as a tiebreaker at the end of the year.

I would think that the winner of the Pats Colts game will have more to do with playoff seeding than point differencial.

True, the Pats/Colts game will probably have the biggest impact between those 2 teams, but we are only in week 6 and there are a lot of games left to be played. Also, ALL teams should think this way because almost every year there are a few teams competing for the last playoff spot with point differential being discussed as one of the possible tie-breaking factors. If any of those teams would have went for blowouts instead of just being happy with their lead(s) early in the season, they could control their own destiny, instead, they need to rely on scoring lots of points in the final game of their season. We don't know which teams that could make a difference for right now. We do know if they score as many points as possible they could possibly avoid that situation later.

 

[thayman]

No, in fact teams should never let up and always try to win by as big as margin as possible. Why? Because one of the playoff tie-breaking schemes comes down to point differential between similar opponents. Although you may never need it, you should score as many points as possible all season long, you never know when you might need those points as a tiebreaker at the end of the year.

I would think that the winner of the Pats Colts game will have more to do with playoff seeding than point differencial.

True, the Pats/Colts game will probably have the biggest impact between those 2 teams, but we are only in week 6 and there are a lot of games left to be played. Also, ALL teams should think this way because almost every year there are a few teams competing for the last playoff spot with point differential being discussed as one of the possible tie-breaking factors. If any of those teams would have went for blowouts instead of just being happy with their lead(s) early in the season, they could control their own destiny, instead, they need to rely on scoring lots of points in the final game of their season. We don't know which teams that could make a difference for right now. We do know if they score as many points as possible they could possibly avoid that situation later.

Who do you have as the top teams in the AFC?? The Colts and the Pats, can anyone else challenge them as the 1 and 2 seed? I don't think so, and they play each other, so the H2H record is what will matter.

 

[GreenNGold]

No, in fact teams should never let up and always try to win by as big as margin as possible. Why? Because one of the playoff tie-breaking schemes comes down to point differential between similar opponents. Although you may never need it, you should score as many points as possible all season long, you never know when you might need those points as a tiebreaker at the end of the year.

I would think that the winner of the Pats Colts game will have more to do with playoff seeding than point differencial.

True, the Pats/Colts game will probably have the biggest impact between those 2 teams, but we are only in week 6 and there are a lot of games left to be played. Also, ALL teams should think this way because almost every year there are a few teams competing for the last playoff spot with point differential being discussed as one of the possible tie-breaking factors. If any of those teams would have went for blowouts instead of just being happy with their lead(s) early in the season, they could control their own destiny, instead, they need to rely on scoring lots of points in the final game of their season. We don't know which teams that could make a difference for right now. We do know if they score as many points as possible they could possibly avoid that situation later.

Who do you have as the top teams in the AFC?? The Colts and the Pats, can anyone else challenge them as the 1 and 2 seed? I don't think so, and they play each other, so the H2H record is what will matter.

So the Pats and Colts should just assume they will finish as the top 2 teams and ignore all other possible scenarios, with 10+ games left to be played? I rank them as the top 2 teams in the conference as well, but that doesn't mean they should get too full of themselves (which I am not accusing them of doing). They are still only 1 game ahead of pittsburgh and jacksonville, and 2 games ahead of a handful of other teams. YOU ARE NOT UNDERSTANDING MY POINT HERE. I am not arguing who the best teams are here, I think we can all agree New Engalnd and Indianapolis are the top 2 teams in the league right now. I am arguing the point that teams should not be ashamed to rack up the points (even if that means scoring another TD or kicking another field goal with 1 second left on the clock when you are already winning 45-0) -- as racking up the points is a valid way of bettering your chances of making the playoffs.

 

[Sam Quentin]

I hate the Pats, but I have no problem with the TD.

If you don't like it, stop them

I would think that taking a knee and giving up the ball with time on the clock is almost a bigger slap in the face.