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Anyone Benching Brady tonight? (1 Viewer)

Who does Tom Brady have tonight? Edelman & Ridley, and Thompkins and who else? How's he supposed to put up 250/2 with that crew and how can you parse it up to make sense without all those guys having career games? I think Brady owners have to look at the weapons, do a zero sum balance and reign in expectations, ultimately looking for better options. For tonight only.
How did Geno throw for 256 yards with Hill, Winslow and Holmes?

There have been much worse QBs who have been able to to put up numbers with comparable WR corps.
point taken, but those are three former early round draft picks, so they have some talent.

Brady has a handful of guys with less than a full game of NFL experience. Great that Brady can get them the ball, but what about their routes and run blocking? It only takes one rookie mistake to ruin a drive and a couple to lose a game.
This is true and I can certainly understand the worry. I'm starting him tonight and would be lying if I said I wasn't a bit nervous about it. That being said, I refuse to believe that Brady's ceiling is 250/2 regardless of personnel. I'm putting my trust into Brady and that system.

 
I can reasonably see a 23-13 NEW w here

2 NEW td.....1 pass 1 rush (ridley)

with Brady 250 / 1 / 1 int + 5 yds rushing

4 pt leagues = 16.0

Thats easily replaceable

 
Its still early, and after the first drive I was worried I made a mistake. However, since that drive, these WRs are looking like who we thought they were.

 
Its still early, and after the first drive I was worried I made a mistake. However, since that drive, these WRs are looking like who we thought they were.
and you let them off the hook. so if you wanna crown 'em, then crown 'em. but they are who we thought they were.

 
Starting Eli vs the Broncos. Boom or bust. Brady needs to prove that he can do it with this personnel before I pass up a juicy matchup like that. The Pats/Jets game may not be high scoring and with 3 of Brady's weapons down it seems like the logical play to sit Brady. I'm going to enjoy watching the game tonight and hope Brady proves me wrong. I look for this game to answer a lot of questions about the rookie WRs tonight.
Not sure much has been answered other than proposing another question: Are these WRs the answers for the Patriots?

 
paytonsdaman said:
Starting Eli vs the Broncos. Boom or bust. Brady needs to prove that he can do it with this personnel before I pass up a juicy matchup like that. The Pats/Jets game may not be high scoring and with 3 of Brady's weapons down it seems like the logical play to sit Brady. I'm going to enjoy watching the game tonight and hope Brady proves me wrong. I look for this game to answer a lot of questions about the rookie WRs tonight.
Not sure much has been answered other than proposing another question: Are these WRs the answers for the Patriots?
As a lifelong Pats fan I can say that they MUST get Brady some help. Maybe Gronk coming back will do it but I am not sure. Dobson has real issues with route running and hands. He needs much more time to develop. Like maybe years. The fact they could have signed Boldin is killing me. With Brady's window closing how do they not fire all the guns for these 3 years. F you BB and your massive 'I don't need good players because I am that good of a coach' attitude.

 
paytonsdaman said:
Starting Eli vs the Broncos. Boom or bust. Brady needs to prove that he can do it with this personnel before I pass up a juicy matchup like that. The Pats/Jets game may not be high scoring and with 3 of Brady's weapons down it seems like the logical play to sit Brady. I'm going to enjoy watching the game tonight and hope Brady proves me wrong. I look for this game to answer a lot of questions about the rookie WRs tonight.
Not sure much has been answered other than proposing another question: Are these WRs the answers for the Patriots?
As a lifelong Pats fan I can say that they MUST get Brady some help. Maybe Gronk coming back will do it but I am not sure. Dobson has real issues with route running and hands. He needs much more time to develop. Like maybe years. The fact they could have signed Boldin is killing me. With Brady's window closing how do they not fire all the guns for these 3 years. F you BB and your massive 'I don't need good players because I am that good of a coach' attitude.
I feel for you. As a Saints fan it would be a reality if we wouldn't have been able to re-sign Colston 2 years back and Graham went down. I've invested a good bit in Dobson and Thompkins in fantasy leagues (not to reiterate owning Brady in a dynasty). I have a feeling once Gronk comes back that'll open things for the rookies (and hopefully Gronk can survive that physically).

For this threads sake, "don't start Brady unless it's gonna be a shootout until he gets some weapons back".

 
Even with the legitimate excuses about the WR's making mistakes, Brady has played pretty crappy tonight.
No. He has had multiple drops. I can only recall about 2 throws I'd blame on Brady. One was the endzone play he tried to blame on Dobson and the other was an early overthrow to Edelman.

 
Still a lot of football to play this year but they seem to be a candidate for Britt/Nicks/Tate or some other FA WR next year if things don't get right once Gronk/'Dola get back.

ETA: Brady did structure his contract to allow them to sign a FA to a significant amount.

 
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Even with the legitimate excuses about the WR's making mistakes, Brady has played pretty crappy tonight.
No. He has had multiple drops. I can only recall about 2 throws I'd blame on Brady. One was the endzone play he tried to blame on Dobson and the other was an early overthrow to Edelman.
Many of his throws were off the mark...behind, low, too far in front, out of bounds. That's not all on the WR's bro.

He's the NFL's golden boy so every mistake he makes gets an excuse or blamed on someone else. There were a lot of points left on the field tonight. He did not play well.

 
Even with the legitimate excuses about the WR's making mistakes, Brady has played pretty crappy tonight.
No. He has had multiple drops. I can only recall about 2 throws I'd blame on Brady. One was the endzone play he tried to blame on Dobson and the other was an early overthrow to Edelman.
Many of his throws were off the mark...behind, low, too far in front, out of bounds. That's not all on the WR's bro.

He's the NFL's golden boy so every mistake he makes gets an excuse or blamed on someone else. There were a lot of points left on the field tonight. He did not play well.
Two weeks in a row. Now I am curious....did the Brady decline start last year and his outstanding receiver options just bailed him out?

 
Even with the legitimate excuses about the WR's making mistakes, Brady has played pretty crappy tonight.
No. He has had multiple drops. I can only recall about 2 throws I'd blame on Brady. One was the endzone play he tried to blame on Dobson and the other was an early overthrow to Edelman.
Many of his throws were off the mark...behind, low, too far in front, out of bounds. That's not all on the WR's bro.

He's the NFL's golden boy so every mistake he makes gets an excuse or blamed on someone else. There were a lot of points left on the field tonight. He did not play well.
Two weeks in a row. Now I am curious....did the Brady decline start last year and his outstanding receiver options just bailed him out?
Brady has always had "off" throws, but his WRs killed his drives with drops. Pats had at least 4 drives stalled by drops tonight. Probably more

 
Even with the legitimate excuses about the WR's making mistakes, Brady has played pretty crappy tonight.
No. He has had multiple drops. I can only recall about 2 throws I'd blame on Brady. One was the endzone play he tried to blame on Dobson and the other was an early overthrow to Edelman.
Many of his throws were off the mark...behind, low, too far in front, out of bounds. That's not all on the WR's bro.

He's the NFL's golden boy so every mistake he makes gets an excuse or blamed on someone else. There were a lot of points left on the field tonight. He did not play well.
Two weeks in a row. Now I am curious....did the Brady decline start last year and his outstanding receiver options just bailed him out?
Good question, it's hard to say.

19-39 185 1 tonight.....an elite QB like Tom Brady should be able to elevate the play of the players around him.

Why did he not elevate? What's going on in NE?

Randell Cunningham had a career year with Moss and Carter, Daunte Culpepper was one of the best QB's in the league with this duo....shortly after he lost them he was out of the league.

What happened in 2007 that helped Brady make the jump from game manager to elite QB?

Wasn't Matt Cassel considered a pretty good QB in 2008....how did he work out for KC?

 
I'm more concerned with the "experts" analysis of players. ALL the signs where there that Brady wasn't going to have a good week. But group think was that Brady is Brady, so lets rank him a QB1.

Did any Expert rank him outside the top 20 this week? cause that's where he is likely to finish. I get that predictions aren't science, but this week was a clear sign of laziness on their part.

 
I'm more concerned with the "experts" analysis of players. ALL the signs where there that Brady wasn't going to have a good week. But group think was that Brady is Brady, so lets rank him a QB1.

Did any Expert rank him outside the top 20 this week? cause that's where he is likely to finish. I get that predictions aren't science, but this week was a clear sign of laziness on their part.
A post like this is only credible if it's made before the actual game. You're exhibiting hindsight bias by stating it was obvious from the start after the game is already over.

 
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I'm more concerned with the "experts" analysis of players. ALL the signs where there that Brady wasn't going to have a good week. But group think was that Brady is Brady, so lets rank him a QB1.

Did any Expert rank him outside the top 20 this week? cause that's where he is likely to finish. I get that predictions aren't science, but this week was a clear sign of laziness on their part.
A post like this is only credible if it's made before the actual game. You're exhibiting hindsight bias by stating it was obvious from the start after the game is already over.
dude, my board name is a tribute to laurence ####### maroney.

I have been accused of being the 2nd biggest pats homer on the board (I'd like to know who is #1)

I have drafted tom brady in the first round the last 7 yrs

I only managed to get him in my auction league this year because I spent $62 of my $250 at the position to get brady

he was on my bench this week

 
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Even with the legitimate excuses about the WR's making mistakes, Brady has played pretty crappy tonight.
No. He has had multiple drops. I can only recall about 2 throws I'd blame on Brady. One was the endzone play he tried to blame on Dobson and the other was an early overthrow to Edelman.
Many of his throws were off the mark...behind, low, too far in front, out of bounds. That's not all on the WR's bro.

He's the NFL's golden boy so every mistake he makes gets an excuse or blamed on someone else. There were a lot of points left on the field tonight. He did not play well.
Two weeks in a row. Now I am curious....did the Brady decline start last year and his outstanding receiver options just bailed him out?
Good question, it's hard to say.

19-39 185 1 tonight.....an elite QB like Tom Brady should be able to elevate the play of the players around him.

Why did he not elevate? What's going on in NE?

Randell Cunningham had a career year with Moss and Carter, Daunte Culpepper was one of the best QB's in the league with this duo....shortly after he lost them he was out of the league.

What happened in 2007 that helped Brady make the jump from game manager to elite QB?

Wasn't Matt Cassel considered a pretty good QB in 2008....how did he work out for KC?
Interesting questions and sample size is small, but Brady has never been an elite FANTASY QB without Welker in what I can find in 5 minutes of looking (concedeing I may have missed something)

Two games Welker missed in 2010, Brady was 216 yards, 0 TDs vrs Jets and 277 yards, 1 TD versus Atl. Welker also missed the last game of the 2011 season where Brady was also limited, only 19 passes (199 and 2 TDs)

 
I'm more concerned with the "experts" analysis of players. ALL the signs where there that Brady wasn't going to have a good week. But group think was that Brady is Brady, so lets rank him a QB1.

Did any Expert rank him outside the top 20 this week? cause that's where he is likely to finish. I get that predictions aren't science, but this week was a clear sign of laziness on their part.
A post like this is only credible if it's made before the actual game. You're exhibiting hindsight bias by stating it was obvious from the start after the game is already over.
The second half of that post, yes... But I had major concerns about Brady that were not being discussed or addressed prior to kickoff, which is why I started this thread. I'm not a guy who spends hours on top of hours researching fantasy football, but really feel like this situation should have been addressed more by experts prior to kickoff.

 
In my experience the experts are better at finding the hidden gems and will VERY rarely recommend you bench your studs.

This one was an easy call though, in the other thread addressing all Pats/Jets players I had his ceiling at 1-2 TDs and 300 yards, leaving him outside the top 10. And that was just by paying attn to the game last week and recognizing he was missing two key games from that game.

 
I'm more concerned with the "experts" analysis of players. ALL the signs where there that Brady wasn't going to have a good week. But group think was that Brady is Brady, so lets rank him a QB1.

Did any Expert rank him outside the top 20 this week? cause that's where he is likely to finish. I get that predictions aren't science, but this week was a clear sign of laziness on their part.
A post like this is only credible if it's made before the actual game. You're exhibiting hindsight bias by stating it was obvious from the start after the game is already over.
dude, my board name is a tribute to laurence ####### maroney.

I have been accused of being the 2nd biggest pats homer on the board (I'd like to know who is #1)

I have drafted tom brady in the first round the last 7 yrs

I only managed to get him in my auction league this year because I spent $62 of my $250 at the position to get brady

he was on my bench this week
You missed my point. I'm not saying Brady's ####ty performance wasn't predictable, heck I even predicted he would suck in this very thread. My point is calling out fantasy experts for laziness after his ####ty performance is non-credible given the use of hindsight; such accusations should have been made before the game started.

 
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Even with the legitimate excuses about the WR's making mistakes, Brady has played pretty crappy tonight.
No. He has had multiple drops. I can only recall about 2 throws I'd blame on Brady. One was the endzone play he tried to blame on Dobson and the other was an early overthrow to Edelman.
Many of his throws were off the mark...behind, low, too far in front, out of bounds. That's not all on the WR's bro.

He's the NFL's golden boy so every mistake he makes gets an excuse or blamed on someone else. There were a lot of points left on the field tonight. He did not play well.
Two weeks in a row. Now I am curious....did the Brady decline start last year and his outstanding receiver options just bailed him out?
Good question, it's hard to say.

19-39 185 1 tonight.....an elite QB like Tom Brady should be able to elevate the play of the players around him.

Why did he not elevate? What's going on in NE?

Randell Cunningham had a career year with Moss and Carter, Daunte Culpepper was one of the best QB's in the league with this duo....shortly after he lost them he was out of the league.

What happened in 2007 that helped Brady make the jump from game manager to elite QB?

Wasn't Matt Cassel considered a pretty good QB in 2008....how did he work out for KC?
Interesting questions and sample size is small, but Brady has never been an elite FANTASY QB without Welker in what I can find in 5 minutes of looking (concedeing I may have missed something)

Two games Welker missed in 2010, Brady was 216 yards, 0 TDs vrs Jets and 277 yards, 1 TD versus Atl. Welker also missed the last game of the 2011 season where Brady was also limited, only 19 passes (199 and 2 TDs)
Hmmm thanks for digging into this.

If I were a Brady owner I think I would be very concerned for this year and looking at other options. You have to hope Gronk comes back strong and Amendola/Eidlman stay healthy...

 
I'm more concerned with the "experts" analysis of players. ALL the signs where there that Brady wasn't going to have a good week. But group think was that Brady is Brady, so lets rank him a QB1.

Did any Expert rank him outside the top 20 this week? cause that's where he is likely to finish. I get that predictions aren't science, but this week was a clear sign of laziness on their part.
Berry had the lowest I saw at 6th.

 
I'm more concerned with the "experts" analysis of players. ALL the signs where there that Brady wasn't going to have a good week. But group think was that Brady is Brady, so lets rank him a QB1.

Did any Expert rank him outside the top 20 this week? cause that's where he is likely to finish. I get that predictions aren't science, but this week was a clear sign of laziness on their part.
A post like this is only credible if it's made before the actual game. You're exhibiting hindsight bias by stating it was obvious from the start after the game is already over.
dude, my board name is a tribute to laurence ####### maroney.

I have been accused of being the 2nd biggest pats homer on the board (I'd like to know who is #1)

I have drafted tom brady in the first round the last 7 yrs

I only managed to get him in my auction league this year because I spent $62 of my $250 at the position to get brady

he was on my bench this week
You missed my point. I'm not saying Brady's ####ty performance wasn't predictable, heck I even predicted he would suck in this very thread. My point is calling out fantasy experts for laziness after his ####ty performance is non-credible given the use of hindsight; such accusations should have been made before the game started.
you are reinforcing my very point. I don't know how long you spend analyzing fantasy data, but its clear that Brady was due for a down week and no analysts called it. Part of my frustration extends from a separate thread that links a rating to all the "experts" picks throughout the season and rates them. At the end of the year, the difference between the #1 guy and #20 guy's rankings was a 1% difference. It really just highlights the group think mentality around these parts.

I'm not a big rankings or projections person, but this one was pretty obvious IMO and was missed. Which makes me question things going forward.

 
I'm more concerned with the "experts" analysis of players. ALL the signs where there that Brady wasn't going to have a good week. But group think was that Brady is Brady, so lets rank him a QB1.

Did any Expert rank him outside the top 20 this week? cause that's where he is likely to finish. I get that predictions aren't science, but this week was a clear sign of laziness on their part.
Berry had the lowest I saw at 6th.
Pat at Rotoworld ranked him 8th. but at least addressed that its a "generous" ranking due to name value.

 
I would say this is why you should probably make your own decisions rather than rely on some dude who gets paid to spit out a list of names every week

 
benched him for RGIII. didn't think it was that tough a decision. glad i went that route after playing brady in the first week.

think it will be RGIII until ...

 
despite how bad Dobson and Thompkins played they still combined to gain 103 yards on their 17 targets while Edelman gained 78 on his 18. Edelman is great as a PPR WR but as a real life weapon he doesn't seem to do much for me unless he can get further down the field

 

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