Anyone else burned by Moss's TD reversals? (1 Viewer)

[jonred]

The reversal and penalty calls on Moss' two TDs yesterday absolutely killed me. I ended up losing by 1.5 points. I think he had both feet in bounds on the first and was down before the ball started to come out. And whatever push off he made on the second TD didn't seem to have an effect on the play. He was going to make the catch regardless. Some days, I really do hate FF!

 

[Tom Baker]

Still won my game, but that was a ridiculous call.

 

[Pnishthm]

The reversal and penalty calls on Moss' two TDs yesterday absolutely killed me. I ended up losing by 1.5 points. I think he had both feet in bounds on the first and was down before the ball started to come out. And whatever push off he made on the second TD didn't seem to have an effect on the play. He was going to make the catch regardless. Some days, I really do hate FF!

You have to still have possesion of the ball after you land. He clearly bobbled the ball AND dropped the ball. This was an easy reversal.

 

[FFCrazy]

My friends and I argued about the long pass TD call all night. I don't see how they could review it, and decided that Moss didn't have control of the ball. In slow-mo, you could see he had it planted against his chest, with one of his big mitts around it, and to me it looked like the ground caused the ball to come out. I thought it was an insane good catch.

Yeah, that other call was pretty crappy too. Maybe a bump, but hardly a push off.

Actually, over all, it seemed like there were a lot of Holding calls missed (for both sides), and then a really blatant Clip towards the end of the game.

 

[shredhead]

I didn't see the pushoff so I won't comment on that, but as an unbiased observer, the TD reversal was a good call. Sorry, but he never established possesion of the ball. He was juggling it and it hit the ground. You say you think he was down before he juggled it, but if Moss was on my team or if I was a Pats fan I would agree with you. I am not a Pats fan and I don't have Moss on my fantasy team, so I don't agree with you. Sorry, but the refs got it right.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Considering that Moss was a total steal in probably every draft (given how good he has been), I am not feeling sorry for the plight of any Moss owner this year.

But the first one was clearly not a TD. He did not keep control all the way to the ground, which you have to do.

The second was obviously pass interference. It doesn't matter if he was going to make the catch, regardless. Pass interference is pass interference.

 

[Sabertooth]

The pushoff was pretty weak.

 

[JPeso]

When they showed the replay, I was very surprised it was called. There is usually much more pushing off in the red zone than that.

 

[Addai's Adidas]

I am sure you are the only one in the entire universe to be affected by those reversals.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

My friends and I argued about the long pass TD call all night. I don't see how they could review it, and decided that Moss didn't have control of the ball. In slow-mo, you could see he had it planted against his chest, with one of his big mitts around it, and to me it looked like the ground caused the ball to come out. I thought it was an insane good catch.

If the ground causes the ball to come out on a reception out of bounds, it's incomplete.The pushoff was ridiculous, but nobody in the league gets more BS offense PI calls than Randy. Payback for the ref squirting possibly.

 

[Bristol]

Shouldn't this be in the venting thread? Damn noobs!

 

[King of the Wolfies]

a receiver MUST retain possession of the ball after hitting the ground. How many hundreds of times have we heard this during various games. Fantastic effort but that pass was incomplete.

 

[mad sweeney]

The reversal and penalty calls on Moss' two TDs yesterday absolutely killed me. I ended up losing by 1.5 points. I think he had both feet in bounds on the first and was down before the ball started to come out. And whatever push off he made on the second TD didn't seem to have an effect on the play. He was going to make the catch regardless. Some days, I really do hate FF!

How about everyone who had Moss? Leave your whining and venting in the venting thread and deal.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

The reversal and penalty calls on Moss' two TDs yesterday absolutely killed me. I ended up losing by 1.5 points. I think he had both feet in bounds on the first and was down before the ball started to come out.

This was absolutely 100% not a catch.

 

[Wu-banger]

Push off , probably BS . But he should know better than too fully extend his arms when making contact, he was in the house of the best "physical" WR of all time , they have seen it for years.

The Out of bounds call was a good reversal ... the feet were in , then he bobbled the ball , then he pulled it in to his chest - never getting the feet in, then hit the ground and lost the ball -- EASY and CORRECT reversal.

 

[Nigel]

Forget about the part where the ground caused a fumble, it was incomplete before that. He was juggling the ball AFTER he touched his feet in bounds, so he never had control it inbounds even if he had ended up holding on at the end.

 

[Brutis]

The pushoff was pretty weak.

Agreed. I was suprised the Refs actually called that crap against NE. The way the game had gone I just assumed they were exempt from that kind of call.

 

[TommyGilmore]

I wasn't burned, but my opponent was.

BTW, the call was borderline. Moss & Brady would have gotten that call in Foxboro.

 

[rick6668]

Forget about the part where the ground caused a fumble, it was incomplete before that. He was juggling the ball AFTER he touched his feet in bounds, so he never had control it inbounds even if he had ended up holding on at the end.

 

[Brutis]

I wasn't burned, but my opponent was. BTW, the call was borderline. Moss & Brady would have gotten that call in Foxboro.

They got MORE than enough calls in Dallas. lol

 

[Da Guru]

Forget about the part where the ground caused a fumble, it was incomplete before that. He was juggling the ball AFTER he touched his feet in bounds, so he never had control it inbounds even if he had ended up holding on at the end.

I watched the replay from every angle..it was close but not a TD.

 

[mlbnfl]

I wasn't burned, but my opponent was. BTW, the call was borderline. Moss & Brady would have gotten that call in Foxboro.

They got MORE than enough calls in Dallas. lol

Seriously. Im a Cowboys homer, so Im sure Im not thinking as clearly as some, but there were sure a heck of a lot of pentalties, most deserved. But however big of a blow out this game was, if there was no holding called on the 4th down Barber conversion, who knows how this game goes. And whats up with this, another week, another TO should be catch call incomplete because they dont rule him forced out. Am I the only one who thinks it was obvious that he would have gotten both feet down on that play had he not been pushed out?

 

[Moe Green]

X 5,000

 

[Chaka]

Nice foot control but dude double clutched the ball before he touched the ground.

Sorry you lost but it was a good call.

 

[brettdj]

I wasn't burned, but my opponent was. BTW, the call was borderline. Moss & Brady would have gotten that call in Foxboro.

They got MORE than enough calls in Dallas. lol

Seriously. Im a Cowboys homer, so Im sure Im not thinking as clearly as some, but there were sure a heck of a lot of pentalties, most deserved. But however big of a blow out this game was, if there was no holding called on the 4th down Barber conversion, who knows how this game goes. And whats up with this, another week, another TO should be catch call incomplete because they dont rule him forced out. Am I the only one who thinks it was obvious that he would have gotten both feet down on that play had he not been pushed out?

But the guard tackled the Pat. That is a must call and an easy call. I laughed when I saw the replay.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

a receiver MUST retain possession of the ball after hitting the ground. How many hundreds of times have we heard this during various games. Fantastic effort but that pass was incomplete.

and it's a terrible rule. ground can't cause a fumble, so why should it cause an incompletion? both cases, the ground is the cause of a loss of control over the ball. in both cases, the player could have been in control of the ball. with the case of moss, he made a "football move" by tucking the ball into his chest before he fell, indicating he had control over the ball.

 

[mad sweeney]

I wasn't burned, but my opponent was. BTW, the call was borderline. Moss & Brady would have gotten that call in Foxboro.

They got MORE than enough calls in Dallas. lol

Seriously. Im a Cowboys homer, so Im sure Im not thinking as clearly as some, but there were sure a heck of a lot of pentalties, most deserved. But however big of a blow out this game was, if there was no holding called on the 4th down Barber conversion, who knows how this game goes. And whats up with this, another week, another TO should be catch call incomplete because they dont rule him forced out. Am I the only one who thinks it was obvious that he would have gotten both feet down on that play had he not been pushed out?

This week, bad call shoulda been a force out. Doesn't matter since he scored a few plays later.Last week, good call.And the holding call, I mean come on. That's not even in the training video on holding because it's so blatant and bad.

 

[mlbnfl]

I wasn't burned, but my opponent was. BTW, the call was borderline. Moss & Brady would have gotten that call in Foxboro.

They got MORE than enough calls in Dallas. lol

Seriously. Im a Cowboys homer, so Im sure Im not thinking as clearly as some, but there were sure a heck of a lot of pentalties, most deserved. But however big of a blow out this game was, if there was no holding called on the 4th down Barber conversion, who knows how this game goes. And whats up with this, another week, another TO should be catch call incomplete because they dont rule him forced out. Am I the only one who thinks it was obvious that he would have gotten both feet down on that play had he not been pushed out?

This week, bad call shoulda been a force out. Doesn't matter since he scored a few plays later.Last week, good call.And the holding call, I mean come on. That's not even in the training video on holding because it's so blatant and bad.

Not saying the holding shouldnt have been called, but theres pretty much holding not called on every play, and had the refs not called it, its a very different game. Not saying it was a bad call.

 

[Brutis]

I wasn't burned, but my opponent was. BTW, the call was borderline. Moss & Brady would have gotten that call in Foxboro.

They got MORE than enough calls in Dallas. lol

Seriously. Im a Cowboys homer, so Im sure Im not thinking as clearly as some, but there were sure a heck of a lot of pentalties, most deserved. But however big of a blow out this game was, if there was no holding called on the 4th down Barber conversion, who knows how this game goes. And whats up with this, another week, another TO should be catch call incomplete because they dont rule him forced out. Am I the only one who thinks it was obvious that he would have gotten both feet down on that play had he not been pushed out?

But the guard tackled the Pat. That is a must call and an easy call. I laughed when I saw the replay.

A cruical call was the pass interference on Moss in the endzone, he ran into the dallas defender who had already had position. Instead of kicking a FG they get a TD the next play. Horrible call.

 

[Brutis]

I wasn't burned, but my opponent was. BTW, the call was borderline. Moss & Brady would have gotten that call in Foxboro.

They got MORE than enough calls in Dallas. lol

Seriously. Im a Cowboys homer, so Im sure Im not thinking as clearly as some, but there were sure a heck of a lot of pentalties, most deserved. But however big of a blow out this game was, if there was no holding called on the 4th down Barber conversion, who knows how this game goes. And whats up with this, another week, another TO should be catch call incomplete because they dont rule him forced out. Am I the only one who thinks it was obvious that he would have gotten both feet down on that play had he not been pushed out?

This week, bad call shoulda been a force out. Doesn't matter since he scored a few plays later.Last week, good call.And the holding call, I mean come on. That's not even in the training video on holding because it's so blatant and bad.

Not saying the holding shouldnt have been called, but theres pretty much holding not called on every play, and had the refs not called it, its a very different game. Not saying it was a bad call.

A ref could call a holding penalty every play if he wants. Thats their trump card.

 

[Liquid Tension]

The reversal and penalty calls on Moss' two TDs yesterday absolutely killed me. I ended up losing by 1.5 points. I think he had both feet in bounds on the first and was down before the ball started to come out. And whatever push off he made on the second TD didn't seem to have an effect on the play. He was going to make the catch regardless. Some days, I really do hate FF!

Moss made an amazing catch, but the rules clearly state that you have to still hold onto the ball after making contact with teh ground and teh ball clearly came loose from the impact of Moss hitting the ground.The PI call was NOT obvious though as the replay didn't show Moss's hand and if he pushed off. Moss didn't argue though so I tend to think he might have done it? The angle they showed us did NOT look like PI in any way, but again, we didn't see the hand angle.

 

[daveandken]

A cruical call was the pass interference on Moss in the endzone, he ran into the dallas defender who had already had position. Instead of kicking a FG they get a TD the next play. Horrible call.

Yup, and it was called on Newman who literally did not touch him the entire play. He never got closer than 2 yards from him.

 

[831hoops]

a receiver MUST retain possession of the ball after hitting the ground. How many hundreds of times have we heard this during various games. Fantastic effort but that pass was incomplete.

and it's a terrible rule. ground can't cause a fumble, so why should it cause an incompletion? both cases, the ground is the cause of a loss of control over the ball. in both cases, the player could have been in control of the ball. with the case of moss, he made a "football move" by tucking the ball into his chest before he fell, indicating he had control over the ball.

control of the ball does not equal possession. possession was never established so it was no catch, football move or not.

 

[daveandken]

a receiver MUST retain possession of the ball after hitting the ground. How many hundreds of times have we heard this during various games. Fantastic effort but that pass was incomplete.

and it's a terrible rule. ground can't cause a fumble, so why should it cause an incompletion? both cases, the ground is the cause of a loss of control over the ball. in both cases, the player could have been in control of the ball. with the case of moss, he made a "football move" by tucking the ball into his chest before he fell, indicating he had control over the ball.

control of the ball does not equal possession. possession was never established so it was no catch, football move or not.

Its not that complicated. This call happens every week. If the receiver goes to the ground after a catch, he has to hold on to the ball in order for the catch to be complete.Why is this suddenly a big deal?

 

[Master of Past and Present]

The reversal and penalty calls on Moss' two TDs yesterday absolutely killed me. I ended up losing by 1.5 points. I think he had both feet in bounds on the first and was down before the ball started to come out. And whatever push off he made on the second TD didn't seem to have an effect on the play. He was going to make the catch regardless. Some days, I really do hate FF!

Moss made an amazing catch, but the rules clearly state that you have to still hold onto the ball after making contact with teh ground and teh ball clearly came loose from the impact of Moss hitting the ground.The PI call was NOT obvious though as the replay didn't show Moss's hand and if he pushed off. Moss didn't argue though so I tend to think he might have done it? The angle they showed us did NOT look like PI in any way, but again, we didn't see the hand angle.

I don't think Moss agrued because 1) It wouldn't have mattered, they wouldn't have given it to him just because he asked and 2) Moss has seen this happen to him too many times to need to react. The refs dislike him and he has always gotten the horrible PI calls against him. I don't know if it dates back to the water bottle but if it does, the refs really need to let that go and move on.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I don't think Moss agrued because 1) It wouldn't have mattered, they wouldn't have given it to him just because he asked and 2) Moss has seen this happen to him too many times to need to react. The refs dislike him and he has always gotten the horrible PI calls against him. I don't know if it dates back to the water bottle but if it does, the refs really need to let that go and move on.

I disagree. I cannot remember off hand when it happened in the game, but they called a defensive pass interference against Dallas after Moss tried to run through the DB to get to the ball. I remember thinking that that was a close call that went Moss' way. Besides, Moss usually gets away with a lot of stuff, as do most stud WRs.

 

[Master of Past and Present]

I don't think Moss agrued because 1) It wouldn't have mattered, they wouldn't have given it to him just because he asked and 2) Moss has seen this happen to him too many times to need to react. The refs dislike him and he has always gotten the horrible PI calls against him. I don't know if it dates back to the water bottle but if it does, the refs really need to let that go and move on.

I disagree. I cannot remember off hand when it happened in the game, but they called a defensive pass interference against Dallas after Moss tried to run through the DB to get to the ball. I remember thinking that that was a close call that went Moss' way. Besides, Moss usually gets away with a lot of stuff, as do most stud WRs.

Moss will get some calls as you said like stud receivers do but do those other studs get PA called against them like Randy Moss gets singled out for? Lots of guys get called for defensive PA when a receiver is the one causing the contact but few, very few will get the offensive PA calls Randy gets called for.

 

[joffer]

a receiver MUST retain possession of the ball after hitting the ground. How many hundreds of times have we heard this during various games. Fantastic effort but that pass was incomplete.

and it's a terrible rule. ground can't cause a fumble, so why should it cause an incompletion? both cases, the ground is the cause of a loss of control over the ball. in both cases, the player could have been in control of the ball. with the case of moss, he made a "football move" by tucking the ball into his chest before he fell, indicating he had control over the ball.

control of the ball does not equal possession. possession was never established so it was no catch, football move or not.

Its not that complicated. This call happens every week. If the receiver goes to the ground after a catch, he has to hold on to the ball in order for the catch to be complete.Why is this suddenly a big deal?

because it cost jonred a win sillyi didn't think he had two feet down to begin with...

 

[bulger2holt]

The people who are saying the ground can't cause a fumble are mis applying the rule. It wasn't a fumble, it was a posession ruling, and you have to have control of the ball AFTER you hit the ground. The ground CAN cause an incomplete pass.

 

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