Anyone not like Eddie Lacy? (1 Viewer)

[Kool-Aid Larry]

At this very moment--I don't know if I could value him more than AP, Charles, Lesean, Forte, Calvin, Jimmy, Dez, Demaryious, and Marshawn.

Agree, with the exception of Lynch. It's close and if Lacy misses time, that could change. But I'll side with the better offense and higher reception totals for now.

.

Ok, well get back to us when you figure it out - i got a dec 22nd draft to get ready for

 

[ponchsox]

There's 5 or 6 RBs I'd take over him, but he's still a good option compared to the Ellington's and Stacy's.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

exactly. Last year's RB4 (Moreno), RB5 (Lynch) and RB9 (Johnson) all had comparable week one scores. If Kuhn continues to vulture his TDs and/or he somehow forgets to run then I'll be worried. For now I'll remain as high on him as I was coming into the season and not over react to the first game of the season.

If Lacy doesn't get that TD vultured, he puts up 10+ is standard leagues and everyone is ok. Maybe not OK with how he looked out there, but who does look good against SEA? There's a lot of overreaction this morning, IMO

You realize there is no guarantee that Lacy scores there if he is given the ball, right? Just because he was good at the goal line last year doesn't mean he is gonna score every time he gets the ball at the 1 or 2.

Of course. But I also think Lacy is a better back than Kuhn...so if Kuhn scores it, I assume Lacy would have as well

Then why didn't they just give it to lacy?

 

[Freelove]

exactly. Last year's RB4 (Moreno), RB5 (Lynch) and RB9 (Johnson) all had comparable week one scores. If Kuhn continues to vulture his TDs and/or he somehow forgets to run then I'll be worried. For now I'll remain as high on him as I was coming into the season and not over react to the first game of the season.

If Lacy doesn't get that TD vultured, he puts up 10+ is standard leagues and everyone is ok. Maybe not OK with how he looked out there, but who does look good against SEA? There's a lot of overreaction this morning, IMO

You realize there is no guarantee that Lacy scores there if he is given the ball, right? Just because he was good at the goal line last year doesn't mean he is gonna score every time he gets the ball at the 1 or 2.

Of course. But I also think Lacy is a better back than Kuhn...so if Kuhn scores it, I assume Lacy would have as well

Then why didn't they just give it to lacy?

Same reason they didn't just give it to Lacy when they passed to Jordy Nelson on first and ten that one time. Football teams have lots of plays, and lots of players.

 

[Concept Coop]

Then why didn't they just give it to lacy?

Kuhn offers the potential for surpise and he's closer to the LOS in the event of a blown up play--which SEA was doing a lot.

 

[Concept Coop]

Agree, with the exception of Lynch. It's close and if Lacy misses time, that could change. But I'll side with the better offense and higher reception totals for now. .

Ok, well get back to us when you figure it out - i got a dec 22nd draft to get ready for

I don't mind your schtick when it's clever. Keep it clever.

 

[ponchsox]

exactly. Last year's RB4 (Moreno), RB5 (Lynch) and RB9 (Johnson) all had comparable week one scores. If Kuhn continues to vulture his TDs and/or he somehow forgets to run then I'll be worried. For now I'll remain as high on him as I was coming into the season and not over react to the first game of the season.

If Lacy doesn't get that TD vultured, he puts up 10+ is standard leagues and everyone is ok. Maybe not OK with how he looked out there, but who does look good against SEA? There's a lot of overreaction this morning, IMO

You realize there is no guarantee that Lacy scores there if he is given the ball, right? Just because he was good at the goal line last year doesn't mean he is gonna score every time he gets the ball at the 1 or 2.

Of course. But I also think Lacy is a better back than Kuhn...so if Kuhn scores it, I assume Lacy would have as well

Then why didn't they just give it to lacy?

Because we think strictly in terms of one player and fantasy. Mike McCarthy is coaching an entire team. If they were shutting Lacy down, had to try other options.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

any panic in here yet?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

exactly. Last year's RB4 (Moreno), RB5 (Lynch) and RB9 (Johnson) all had comparable week one scores. If Kuhn continues to vulture his TDs and/or he somehow forgets to run then I'll be worried. For now I'll remain as high on him as I was coming into the season and not over react to the first game of the season.

If Lacy doesn't get that TD vultured, he puts up 10+ is standard leagues and everyone is ok. Maybe not OK with how he looked out there, but who does look good against SEA? There's a lot of overreaction this morning, IMO

You realize there is no guarantee that Lacy scores there if he is given the ball, right? Just because he was good at the goal line last year doesn't mean he is gonna score every time he gets the ball at the 1 or 2.

Of course. But I also think Lacy is a better back than Kuhn...so if Kuhn scores it, I assume Lacy would have as well

Then why didn't they just give it to lacy?

Same reason they didn't just give it to Lacy when they passed to Jordy Nelson on first and ten that one time. .

Because they felt it was a higher % chance to score in that spot?

 

[meatwad1]

The concussion thing has me pretty spooked as a Packer fan. He already has a history of those.

 

[Arizona Ron]

any panic in here yet?

A little.

I thought when I drafted him, Rogers is back so he isn't going to have 8 in the box on every play. Last night didn't look so good.

On the bright side, Seattle has one of the best defenses in the league and their home turf is the hardest place to play in the NFL.

Still a little panic though.

 

[Concept Coop]

The concussion thing has me pretty spooked as a Packer fan. He already has a history of those.

I think the concern is valid. But another poster pointed out awhile back: Who are the negative examples we point to? Collie and Best--and Collie would still be playing if his game didn't deteriorate, in large part due to other injuries. Jahvid Best didn't have a couple small concussions. He had 5 over a 4 season span and was knocked completely out at least twice.

From a dynasty perspective, after selling Lacy this off-season, I'll be looking to buy him back if the concern moves him from top 3 to 7-8 range. The feeling will be that he's Jahvid Best if it happens again. I don't think that's the case.

 

[Concept Coop]

On the bright side, Seattle has one of the best defenses in the league and their home turf is the hardest place to play in the NFL.

One of the best I've ever seen, personally. It's still new, so I'm prone to recency bias. But the last two NFL games consisted of the SEA defense making 2 of the best QBs ever--and potentially the best offense ever--look below average at best. It's been pretty incredible to watch.

 

[Warpig]

On the bright side, Seattle has one of the best defenses in the league and their home turf is the hardest place to play in the NFL.

One of the best I've ever seen, personally. It's still new, so I'm prone to recency bias. But the last two NFL games consisted of the SEA defense making 2 of the best QBs ever--and potentially the best offense ever--look below average at best. It's been pretty incredible to watch.

I agree, the SEA defense is amazing. However, my one concern (even moreso than Lacy's concussion) is why was Starks able to average over 5 ypc?

 

[Ghost Rider]

However, my one concern (even moreso than Lacy's concussion) is why was Starks able to average over 5 ypc?

Why is that a concern? He only had 7 carries. If he had averaged over 5 YPC on 20+ carries, then, yeah, maybe it would be a concern, but on only 7 carries, nah.

 

[T with T]

let's just hope Lacy can play week 2 or 3 and he doesn't stick his head up the middle and go head first lunging into big people... that may keep his head a little safer... Not smart football... He for one shouldn't be doing that because it's supposed to be a penalty for rbs, never called anyways though but it's just not smart football.. Use them shoulders pal.

 

[Phenomena]

However, my one concern (even moreso than Lacy's concussion) is why was Starks able to average over 5 ypc?

Why is that a concern? He only had 7 carries. If he had averaged over 5 YPC on 20+ carries, then, yeah, maybe it would be a concern, but on only 7 carries, nah.

Adding my two cents to this thread.... I was immediately concerned about Lacy's usage when he came off the field on the first drive after three runs. And the fact that Starks was getting many 3rd down looks.

I don't think even a healthy Lacy is going to get as many touches as we all thought.

This leads me back to something McCarthy repeated over the years about not over-working RBs so they are healthy for a playoff run. It makes sense. Why give Lacy 300 touches when you can give him 240 and still be a shoe-in for the playoffs with Rodgers under center?

I wasn't deliberately avoiding him in drafts but I ended up not having him on any of my 12 teams, and I'm glad for that now.

As a Packer fan, though, definitely bummed about the concussion stuff. We need him on the field.

 

[ponchsox]

However, my one concern (even moreso than Lacy's concussion) is why was Starks able to average over 5 ypc?

Why is that a concern? He only had 7 carries. If he had averaged over 5 YPC on 20+ carries, then, yeah, maybe it would be a concern, but on only 7 carries, nah.

Adding my two cents to this thread.... I was immediately concerned about Lacy's usage when he came off the field on the first drive after three runs. And the fact that Starks was getting many 3rd down looks.

I don't think even a healthy Lacy is going to get as many touches as we all thought.

This leads me back to something McCarthy repeated over the years about not over-working RBs so they are healthy for a playoff run. It makes sense. Why give Lacy 300 touches when you can give him 240 and still be a shoe-in for the playoffs with Rodgers under center?

I wasn't deliberately avoiding him in drafts but I ended up not having him on any of my 12 teams, and I'm glad for that now.

As a Packer fan, though, definitely bummed about the concussion stuff. We need him on the field.

Giving him some rest may not be a bad thing for fantasy purposes, either. I expect him to bounce back nicely. He was a beast after his concussion last year.

 

[John 14:6]

However, my one concern (even moreso than Lacy's concussion) is why was Starks able to average over 5 ypc?

Why is that a concern? He only had 7 carries. If he had averaged over 5 YPC on 20+ carries, then, yeah, maybe it would be a concern, but on only 7 carries, nah.

Plus weren't most of Starks Carries in passing types of downs? it isn't rare to see third down backs boosting their average by getting rushes in this situations...

 

[Concept Coop]

I agree, the SEA defense is amazing. However, my one concern (even moreso than Lacy's concussion) is why was Starks able to average over 5 ypc?

Situational usage. It's actually pretty common for the COP back to out YPC the lead back on NFL teams. Good lead backs, too. Starks averaged 5 YPC last season and all we heard during the off-season is how much GB loves Lacy.

 

[sho nuff]

I get the feeling Larry really doesn't like Eddie Lacy?

 

[Ghost Rider]

However, my one concern (even moreso than Lacy's concussion) is why was Starks able to average over 5 ypc?

Why is that a concern? He only had 7 carries. If he had averaged over 5 YPC on 20+ carries, then, yeah, maybe it would be a concern, but on only 7 carries, nah.

Adding my two cents to this thread.... I was immediately concerned about Lacy's usage when he came off the field on the first drive after three runs. And the fact that Starks was getting many 3rd down looks.

I don't think even a healthy Lacy is going to get as many touches as we all thought.

This leads me back to something McCarthy repeated over the years about not over-working RBs so they are healthy for a playoff run. It makes sense. Why give Lacy 300 touches when you can give him 240 and still be a shoe-in for the playoffs with Rodgers under center?

I wasn't deliberately avoiding him in drafts but I ended up not having him on any of my 12 teams, and I'm glad for that now.

As a Packer fan, though, definitely bummed about the concussion stuff. We need him on the field.

Lacy is a difference maker for sure, but I agree that it makes sense to not overwork him. I never thought the Packers were gonna become a running team, and I thought Lacy's ADP was a bit too high for my blood this year, so I ended up with him on no teams. I thought he'd be a case of "his worth is more than the stats will show" or something like that. I still think he'll be a really good producer this year when he plays, but a top 5 RB? Not sure about that.

 

[Raider Nation]

Plus weren't most of Starks Carries in passing types of downs? it isn't rare to see third down backs boosting their average by getting rushes in this situations...

1) 1st & 10

2) 2nd & 7

3) 3rd & 4

4) 2nd & 8

5) 2nd & 8

6) 1st & 10

7) 1st & goal at the 8

 

[C-Bound]

Plus weren't most of Starks Carries in passing types of downs? it isn't rare to see third down backs boosting their average by getting rushes in this situations...

1) 1st & 10

2) 2nd & 7

3) 3rd & 4

4) 2nd & 8

5) 2nd & 8

6) 1st & 10

7) 1st & goal at the 8

5,6,7 were post-concussion.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

On the bright side, Seattle has one of the best defenses in the league and their home turf is the hardest place to play in the NFL.

One of the best I've ever seen, personally. It's still new, so I'm prone to recency bias. But the last two NFL games consisted of the SEA defense making 2 of the best QBs ever--and potentially the best offense ever--look below average at best. It's been pretty incredible to watch.

Don't forget about the New Orleans playoff game from last year. Gave up 15 points. Thats Brees, Manning and Rodgers. 15, 8, and 16 points respectively.

Bulaga has a torn MCL. That more than anything should be a concern for Lacy owners. The Packers lost their backup tackle in the preseason. (Don Barclay). Sherrod was awful last night, and will likely be a hinderance on this offense until Bulaga returns in a month or so.

 

[Eminence]

Overreaction much...

 

[Eminence]

1.) If Lacey is out, grab Starks.

2.) It was against Seattle at home. Wait until the Packers play subpar defenses at home.

 

[Eminence]

You guys should give up on Rodgers too!

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I get the feeling Larry really doesn't like Eddie Lacy?

I believe that is the topic we're posting in.

AltHough, i'll admit i got tricked a bit

 

[Raider Nation]

1.) If Lacey is out, grab Starks.

Thanks, Matthew Berry.

Nobody thought of that on draft night.

 

[Concept Coop]

AltHough, i'll admit i got tricked a bit

Overreacting in the opposite direction usually does the trick.

 

[Omniscient Deity]

Why are some not afraid or only slightly concerned of the concussions in dynasty leagues?

The one offensive skill position I would not want a player with multiple concussions in the past is at running back. I'm a big NHL fan where there have been many concussions as well.

Some guys don't look the same since, I don't know if it's a mental or an actual limitation. And once a player suffers his second concussion they really do seem to get shaken up quite a bit more easily with any significant blows to the head.

Running backs typically always take a few very hard hits to the head, especially a power runner who relies on strength/trucking to gain his yards. Not saying he's a lock to be the next Jahvid Best or won't be the same player, that's not likely, but just the increased possibility of it would have me very worried in dynasty. Selling him now is foolish, I'd wait for consecutive top 10 RB performances before testing the market for him if I owned him.

I'd feel more inclined to "buy low" or not panic if this were a WR we were talking about.

 

[Concept Coop]

Why are some not afraid or only slightly concerned of the concussions in dynasty leagues?

The one offensive skill position I would not want a player with multiple concussions in the past is at running back. I'm a big NHL fan where there have been many concussions as well.

Some guys don't look the same since, I don't know if it's a mental or an actual limitation. And once a player suffers his second concussion they really do seem to get shaken up quite a bit more easily with any significant blows to the head.

I'd be shocked if the average NFL player didn't have 2+ concussions in their lives--we just don't know about them.

I'm certainly open to being wrong in expressing only mild concern. But who are the RB examples--save Jahvid Best?

 

[John 14:6]

Bulaga has a torn MCL. That more than anything should be a concern for Lacy owners. The Packers lost their backup tackle in the preseason. (Don Barclay). Sherrod was awful last night, and will likely be a hinderance on this offense until Bulaga returns in a month or so.

NOOOO!!!!

 

[T with T]

that's terrible... That sherrod couldn't guard his grandmother... just awful.. I know seattle is amazing but come on he was getting beat every play.

 

[LawFitz]

Would be funny/sad/ironic/awesome if this year

Lacy turned into Richardson,

Richardson into Ingram, and

Ingram into Lacy.

 

[Eminence]

1.) If Lacey is out, grab Starks.

Thanks, Matthew Berry.

Nobody thought of that on draft night.

Woah, woah, slow down egghead. By the way people are overreacting, you'd think that Lacey tore his ACL. Dude might miss a few games. As far as why I'm pointing out the obvious, there are a lot of people on these forums who are naïve and inexperienced.

I'm not looking to give advice to you or anyone else who clearly knows how to use critical thinking to protect their asses, keep that in mind. I'm looking to help the people that are only 2 - 3 years into Fantasy and need a little insight / advice.

 

[ourmanflint]

However, my one concern (even moreso than Lacy's concussion) is why was Starks able to average over 5 ypc?

Why is that a concern? He only had 7 carries. If he had averaged over 5 YPC on 20+ carries, then, yeah, maybe it would be a concern, but on only 7 carries, nah.

Adding my two cents to this thread.... I was immediately concerned about Lacy's usage when he came off the field on the first drive after three runs. And the fact that Starks was getting many 3rd down looks.

I don't think even a healthy Lacy is going to get as many touches as we all thought.

This leads me back to something McCarthy repeated over the years about not over-working RBs so they are healthy for a playoff run. It makes sense. Why give Lacy 300 touches when you can give him 240 and still be a shoe-in for the playoffs with Rodgers under center?

I wasn't deliberately avoiding him in drafts but I ended up not having him on any of my 12 teams, and I'm glad for that now.

As a Packer fan, though, definitely bummed about the concussion stuff. We need him on the field.

All you need is one game against the best defense in football to know all this right?

 

[Raider Nation]

I did some "critical thinking" at my draft, selecting the handcuff for one of the highest-profile backs in football, who plays on one of the best offenses in the league.

 

[John 14:6]

I missed out Starks, someone else drafted him...

 

[Raider Nation]

I missed out Starks, someone else drafted him...

A critical-thinker?

 

[Tango]

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky · 5m

MM: Eddie Lacy has already cleared the first step in the concussion protocol.

 

[GROOT]

never trust A RB from Alabama.

 

[ponchsox]

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky · 5m

MM: Eddie Lacy has already cleared the first step in the concussion protocol.

Great news.

 

[sho nuff]

On the bright side, Seattle has one of the best defenses in the league and their home turf is the hardest place to play in the NFL.

One of the best I've ever seen, personally. It's still new, so I'm prone to recency bias. But the last two NFL games consisted of the SEA defense making 2 of the best QBs ever--and potentially the best offense ever--look below average at best. It's been pretty incredible to watch.

Don't forget about the New Orleans playoff game from last year. Gave up 15 points. Thats Brees, Manning and Rodgers. 15, 8, and 16 points respectively.

Bulaga has a torn MCL. That more than anything should be a concern for Lacy owners. The Packers lost their backup tackle in the preseason. (Don Barclay). Sherrod was awful last night, and will likely be a hinderance on this offense until Bulaga returns in a month or so.

Barclay is worse than Sherrod. Barclay was more insurance for the guards than T IMO...just had more experience.

 

[Josh the FunkDOC]

fwiw: took demaryius + dez over lacy at the 1/2 turn, because i wasn't feelin a lot of the projections on here

had nothing to do with injuries, and i definitely wouldn't claim victory over that. i'm just very conservative in projecting carries anymore. my read is that in today's NFL, teams give a single RB 300+ carries because they HAVE to and not because they WANT to. there is simply no reason to take that risk if you're a solid playoff team, which the packers should be. and without those carries, lacy fell behind the top-tier WRs in my mind.

i felt almost the exact same way about lynch, mind you, so this isn't a brag post. i just think projections are an underrated element of fantasy and don't get broken down to the degree they deserve. i could well be wrong here, but i don't see 300 carries or 350 total touches as a reasonable projection for 95% of RBs.

example: football outsiders' fantasy projections this year only gave two RBs 300 carries & 350 touches (peterson & mccoy). forte came in just barely under 350 touches, while charles was in the 330s. they had lacy at just a hair above 250 carries & 35 receptions, 290 total touches. i'd feel much more comfortable drafting based on something like that, as it fits better with recent NFL usage patterns.

 

[Concept Coop]

never trust A RB from Alabama.

To be safe, I avoid all SEC RBs.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

1.) If Lacey is out, grab Starks.

Thanks, Matthew Berry.Nobody thought of that on draft night.

Woah, woah, slow down egghead. By the way people are overreacting, you'd think that Lacey tore his ACL. Dude might miss a few games. As far as why I'm pointing out the obvious, there are a lot of people on these forums who are naïve and inexperienced.

I'm not looking to give advice to you or anyone else who clearly knows how to use critical thinking to protect their asses, keep that in mind. I'm looking to help the people that are only 2 - 3 years into Fantasy and need a little insight / advice.

Good Posting.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Would be funny/sad/ironic/awesome if this year

Lacy turned into Richardson,

Richardson into Ingram, and

Ingram into Lacy.

After last night's game, my first thought was Lacy looked a lot like what people have been describing Richardson as for the last 30 pages in his thread.He did run hard, and the Seahawks are a great defense, and he lost his RT, and... But what I saw was a RB who hit the hole hard, but always got caught up in the junk at the LOS and would push/fall forward for a yard or two. On 12 carries, he had only 2 that went for 4+ yards. It seemed like he always ran where the play was designed to go. He didn't seem to have any patience and, ran into a pileups when a cutback or other lane was open.

If I was an owner I wouldn't freak though. He was very good last season, playing a tough D and one game doesn't make a pattern. But last night, he looked bad IMO.

 

[Buffaloes]

1.) If Lacey is out, grab Starks.

Thanks, Matthew Berry.Nobody thought of that on draft night.

Woah, woah, slow down egghead. By the way people are overreacting, you'd think that Lacey tore his ACL. Dude might miss a few games. As far as why I'm pointing out the obvious, there are a lot of people on these forums who are naïve and inexperienced.

I'm not looking to give advice to you or anyone else who clearly knows how to use critical thinking to protect their asses, keep that in mind. I'm looking to help the people that are only 2 - 3 years into Fantasy and need a little insight / advice.

Good Posting.

start Lacy over Starks if Lacy is healthy