Anyone not like Eddie Lacy? (1 Viewer)

[Reegus]

I'm going to try and buy low but if he continues this trend next week its time to panic.

On the other hand he has had the worst schedule through three games out of all the backs. If you don't buy before Sunday then

I think the window will be closed after.

 

[georg013]

LMAO at all the people ready to jump ship. I swear it has become more about being right every week than actually waiting for a sample size large enough to substantiate any claims. The Chicken Little Sky is Falling types are plaguing these forums and I fell victim for it with Trent Richardson. Never again. In order to run a successful team these days, here is what I suggest. Stream your entire roster for the flavor of the week. This way, you can be right all the time. Unless of course, you are not. Last week you were an idiot for going anywhere near Rashad Jennings. Now you are a genius. Next week, you will be a fool. Rodgers is a bust as well. Monte Ball is a loser and Jamal Charles has bust written all over him. When the hell does it end? Ahmad Bradshaw is league MVP.

The sample size is now 3 for 3, about 25% of a FF regular season.

Which is MORE than enough to tell me that he is a "bust". Ok. Is it safe to assume Jamaal Charles is a bust as well? Calm down.

 

[georg013]

Get him on the cheap from worried owners. After a big game this week his value will be back on the rise. The Packers as a whole have not been very good to start the year. That is Rodgers included. They have played arguably 3 of the best top 10 defences in the NFL. That is not a good way to get the offense going.

Rodgers has failed to pass for more than 190 yards in 2 of the 3 games they have played this year. The Packers as a unit will be better going forward and Lacy will be just fine.

Guess that makes Rodgers a bust now. Sell high.

 

[habsfan]

LMAO at all the people ready to jump ship. I swear it has become more about being right every week than actually waiting for a sample size large enough to substantiate any claims. The Chicken Little Sky is Falling types are plaguing these forums and I fell victim for it with Trent Richardson. Never again. In order to run a successful team these days, here is what I suggest. Stream your entire roster for the flavor of the week. This way, you can be right all the time. Unless of course, you are not. Last week you were an idiot for going anywhere near Rashad Jennings. Now you are a genius. Next week, you will be a fool. Rodgers is a bust as well. Monte Ball is a loser and Jamal Charles has bust written all over him. When the hell does it end? Ahmad Bradshaw is league MVP.

The sample size is now 3 for 3, about 25% of a FF regular season.

Which is MORE than enough to tell me that he is a "bust". Ok. Is it safe to assume Jamaal Charles is a bust as well? Calm down.

Bringing TRich into your sarcastic parable is a bit confusing since some held him last year until he was droppable and better options had come and gone. Just to be clear, Lacy is or isn't TRich?

 

[Faust]

Mike McCarthy: Eddie Lacy needs to play better

Rotoworld:

Coach Mike McCarthy called out Eddie Lacy at Monday's press conference, and said Lacy "needs to play better."
"I’m not going to do this anymore. I don’t correct individuals in the media. We’ve seen the film, corrections have been made, our running game wasn’t nearly what it needed to be. Not even close," McCarthy said. Lacy has managed just 113 yards and zero touchdowns on 36 carries through three games. He also took a safety and lost a fumble that was returned for a touchdown on Sunday. To his defense, Lacy has faced the Seahawks, Jets, and Lions through three games. That's tough sledding. He needs to turn it around against the Bears in Week 4.


Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel
Sep 22 - 8:24 PM

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Guess Forte sucks too. This Jets D line is great if you are watching MNF.

 

[shadyridr]

Guess Forte sucks too. This Jets D line is great if you are watching MNF.

difference is forte gets pts by catching the ball. Lacy doesnt

 

[Eminence]

I've got Starks in more leagues than I have Lacey. At this point, I'm hoping he gets benched.

 

[steelers1080]

As a Steelers fan it's nice not to hear the "Lacy is so much better than Bell, why did they pick Bell earlier" talk anymore. So far this season it's been clear who the better back is.

Elite RBs perform no matter the matchup.

 

[Routilla]

How bad is the GB OL?

 

[meanjoegreen]

How bad is the GB OL?

It isn't good. GB has also played 3 teams thus far that are very good against the run. I think Lacy will get back on track, but that OL isn't going to be much help.

 

[Shutout]

As a Steelers fan it's nice not to hear the "Lacy is so much better than Bell, why did they pick Bell earlier" talk anymore. So far this season it's been clear who the better back is.

Elite RBs perform no matter the matchup.

If that is the case then where was Bell last season when Lacy was leading fantasy owners to titles and keeping the Packers in playoff contention almost single-handedly?

Come on. Let's be realistic. Teams and players go through peaks and valleys so just because Eddie was awesome last year and Bell is awesome this year doesn't in any way mean Bell is elite and Eddie deserves to be piled on.

Honestly, the main difference I see is that the putrid Steelers o-line is much improved this year and the Packers o-line is down from last year and combined with the fact that they have played three extremely tough defenses.

 

[Shutout]

Here is everything you need to know about the demise of Eddie Lacy.

Total Defense rankings in 2014 (per NFL.com):

1. Detroit Lions

2. New York Jets

8. Seattle Seahawks (despite playing against Manning, Rodgers, and Phillip Rivers-3 top playoff offenses from a year ago).

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Here is everything you need to know about the demise of Eddie Lacy.

Total Defense rankings in 2014 (per NFL.com):

1. Detroit Lions

2. New York Jets

8. Seattle Seahawks (despite playing against Manning, Rodgers, and Phillip Rivers-3 top playoff offenses from a year ago).

Post of the year and exactly why Lacy is a buy low.

 

[unckeyherb]

Here is everything you need to know about the demise of Eddie Lacy.

Total Defense rankings in 2014 (per NFL.com):

1. Detroit Lions

2. New York Jets

8. Seattle Seahawks (despite playing against Manning, Rodgers, and Phillip Rivers-3 top playoff offenses from a year ago).

Exactly.

 

[Eminence]

All I'm saying is that if Starks is on your waiver wire, you need to acquire him. He's one fumble / one concussion from Lacey away from a starting job. I wouldn't sell Lacey but I sure as hell would go through lengths to acquire Starks.

 

[Portis Homer]

Here is everything you need to know about the demise of Eddie Lacy.

Total Defense rankings in 2014 (per NFL.com):

1. Detroit Lions

2. New York Jets

8. Seattle Seahawks (despite playing against Manning, Rodgers, and Phillip Rivers-3 top playoff offenses from a year ago).

I don't disagree (and I am a Lacy and Packer fan).

But the problem with using the 2014 rankings after only 3 games is cause and effect. Is Lacy doing poorly because they're so highly ranked, or are they so highly ranked because they got to play Eddie Lacy. Those bad Lacy games greatly sway those defensive rankings up.

 

[rjv]

Here is everything you need to know about the demise of Eddie Lacy.

Total Defense rankings in 2014 (per NFL.com):

1. Detroit Lions

2. New York Jets

8. Seattle Seahawks (despite playing against Manning, Rodgers, and Phillip Rivers-3 top playoff offenses from a year ago).

Good point but explain why Starks is doing better when he was in with this defences, and with less carries.

Lets throw out the Jets because Starks didnt have a carry.

Lacy

SEA 12 for 34 no TDs avg 2.8 a carry

DET 11 for 36 no TDs avg 3.3 a carry

Starks

SEA 7 for 37 no TDs avg 5.3 a carry

DET 8 for 38 no TDs avg 4.8 a carry

 

[sho nuff]

Here is everything you need to know about the demise of Eddie Lacy.

Total Defense rankings in 2014 (per NFL.com):

1. Detroit Lions

2. New York Jets

8. Seattle Seahawks (despite playing against Manning, Rodgers, and Phillip Rivers-3 top playoff offenses from a year ago).

I don't disagree (and I am a Lacy and Packer fan).

But the problem with using the 2014 rankings after only 3 games is cause and effect. Is Lacy doing poorly because they're so highly ranked, or are they so highly ranked because they got to play Eddie Lacy. Those bad Lacy games greatly sway those defensive rankings up.

Forte didn't look great against the Jets either.

Lions held Jennings to low totals.

Carolina didn't run on them either.

And Seattle held Denver and SD in check in the run game.

Sure...Lacy's poor totals helped those teams be low...but they have kept every other team to low totals as well.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Here is everything you need to know about the demise of Eddie Lacy.

Total Defense rankings in 2014 (per NFL.com):

1. Detroit Lions

2. New York Jets

8. Seattle Seahawks (despite playing against Manning, Rodgers, and Phillip Rivers-3 top playoff offenses from a year ago).

Good point but explain why Starks looks better when he was in with this defences?

Yes let's judge Starks 15 carries this year vs looking at career resumes to draw a great conclusion as to what is happening with the Packers and Starks vs Lacy.

 

[unckeyherb]

Ha

Here is everything you need to know about the demise of Eddie Lacy.

Total Defense rankings in 2014 (per NFL.com):

1. Detroit Lions
2. New York Jets
8. Seattle Seahawks (despite playing against Manning, Rodgers, and Phillip Rivers-3 top playoff offenses from a year ago).

Good point but explain why Starks looks better when he was in with this defences?

Has he? Honestly don't know as I've only been able to watch the Seattle week 1 game. In the replays I have seen Lacy is met in the backfield often, not much for him to do IMO.

Starks has done a little more with a little less.

Week 1: Lacy had 12 carries for 34 yards vs Starks' 7 for 37.

Starks didn't get a touch week 2

Week 3: Lacy had 11 carries for 36 yards vs Starks' 8 for 38.

Its not like Starks is blowing him away?

Lacy has also caught 6 passes to Starks' 2

 

[Dark Matter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro

Coach is stoking a fire. Big week coming 120 yds + TD + 5 catches.

 

[Portis Homer]

Ha

Here is everything you need to know about the demise of Eddie Lacy.

Total Defense rankings in 2014 (per NFL.com):

1. Detroit Lions

2. New York Jets

8. Seattle Seahawks (despite playing against Manning, Rodgers, and Phillip Rivers-3 top playoff offenses from a year ago).

Good point but explain why Starks looks better when he was in with this defences?

Has he? Honestly don't know as I've only been able to watch the Seattle week 1 game. In the replays I have seen Lacy is met in the backfield often, not much for him to do IMO.

Starks has done a little more with a little less.

Week 1: Lacy had 12 carries for 34 yards vs Starks' 7 for 37.

Starks didn't get a touch week 2

Week 3: Lacy had 11 carries for 36 yards vs Starks' 8 for 38.

Its not like Starks is blowing him away?

Lacy has also caught 6 passes to Starks' 2

I can tell you 100% why Starks has looked better....they're only running out of the Shotgun formation with draw runs. Starks has much more burst and will look better on draws out of the Shotgun. I just don't understand how you have a power back like Lacy and you are running this ridiculous offense.

 

[steelers1080]

As a Steelers fan it's nice not to hear the "Lacy is so much better than Bell, why did they pick Bell earlier" talk anymore. So far this season it's been clear who the better back is.

Elite RBs perform no matter the matchup.

If that is the case then where was Bell last season when Lacy was leading fantasy owners to titles and keeping the Packers in playoff contention almost single-handedly?

Come on. Let's be realistic. Teams and players go through peaks and valleys so just because Eddie was awesome last year and Bell is awesome this year doesn't in any way mean Bell is elite and Eddie deserves to be piled on.

Honestly, the main difference I see is that the putrid Steelers o-line is much improved this year and the Packers o-line is down from last year and combined with the fact that they have played three extremely tough defenses.

One reason last year was that Bell began the year last year with a foot injury so he lost a lot of development and missed the first few games and played hurt for a while after that. Lacy has had a concussion this year but no injuries to speak of.

Also, Bell's running style has changed drastically since last year. He's much more patient and isn't behind the 3rd string O-line anymore.

 

[avina1]

Here is everything you need to know about the demise of Eddie Lacy.

Total Defense rankings in 2014 (per NFL.com):

1. Detroit Lions

2. New York Jets

8. Seattle Seahawks (despite playing against Manning, Rodgers, and Phillip Rivers-3 top playoff offenses from a year ago).

Well, this certainly makes me feel better as a Lacy owner... however, I'll be nervous about him until I actually see production. No way I can bench him this week against the Bears though, and there's no way GB's offense will be that putrid two weeks in a row.

 

[omally]

Ha

Here is everything you need to know about the demise of Eddie Lacy.

Total Defense rankings in 2014 (per NFL.com):

1. Detroit Lions

2. New York Jets

8. Seattle Seahawks (despite playing against Manning, Rodgers, and Phillip Rivers-3 top playoff offenses from a year ago).

Good point but explain why Starks looks better when he was in with this defences?

Has he? Honestly don't know as I've only been able to watch the Seattle week 1 game. In the replays I have seen Lacy is met in the backfield often, not much for him to do IMO.

Starks has done a little more with a little less.

Week 1: Lacy had 12 carries for 34 yards vs Starks' 7 for 37.

Starks didn't get a touch week 2

Week 3: Lacy had 11 carries for 36 yards vs Starks' 8 for 38.

Its not like Starks is blowing him away?

Lacy has also caught 6 passes to Starks' 2

I can tell you 100% why Starks has looked better....they're only running out of the Shotgun formation with draw runs. Starks has much more burst and will look better on draws out of the Shotgun. I just don't understand how you have a power back like Lacy and you are running this ridiculous offense.

I have noticed that too.

 

[matttyl]

vs the Bears who have a short week and a decimated defense. This is the week for both him and Rodgers!

 

[Shutout]

Here is everything you need to know about the demise of Eddie Lacy.

Total Defense rankings in 2014 (per NFL.com):

1. Detroit Lions

2. New York Jets

8. Seattle Seahawks (despite playing against Manning, Rodgers, and Phillip Rivers-3 top playoff offenses from a year ago).

I don't disagree (and I am a Lacy and Packer fan).

But the problem with using the 2014 rankings after only 3 games is cause and effect. Is Lacy doing poorly because they're so highly ranked, or are they so highly ranked because they got to play Eddie Lacy. Those bad Lacy games greatly sway those defensive rankings up.

Those teams also have the history of being known as being stout. Granted, every year is different, but saying these particular teams have good run defenses is kind of in the same vein as saying "a Peyton Manning offense is going to be pretty good" because they have the track record to back it up. It's not like saying the Packers played the Jaguars and the Jags have the #1 defense after a bad Eddie lacy game. Sure, that would raise my eyebrow but after watching the lions, Seahawks, and Jets through three weeks and knowing what they usually do, I give each of these teams the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

How bad is the GB OL?

It isn't good. GB has also played 3 teams thus far that are very good against the run. I think Lacy will get back on track, but that OL isn't going to be much help.

josh sitton isn't good?

the edges, on the other hand..........................

 

[Shutout]

Here is everything you need to know about the demise of Eddie Lacy.

Total Defense rankings in 2014 (per NFL.com):

1. Detroit Lions

2. New York Jets

8. Seattle Seahawks (despite playing against Manning, Rodgers, and Phillip Rivers-3 top playoff offenses from a year ago).

Good point but explain why Starks is doing better when he was in with this defences, and with less carries.

Lets throw out the Jets because Starks didnt have a carry.

Lacy

SEA 12 for 34 no TDs avg 2.8 a carry

DET 11 for 36 no TDs avg 3.3 a carry

Starks

SEA 7 for 37 no TDs avg 5.3 a carry

DET 8 for 38 no TDs avg 4.8 a carry

I really try to not make those comparisons because I don't see it as an apple to apple comparison. Over the time I have watched NFL football I have come to understand that teams practice and plan for particular opponents and looks and that a Rb like Lacy is not the same as one like Starks just like a mobile QB isn't like a pocket guy. You may start a game when everyone is fresh and amped up and have 3 straight small plays that hurt the "stats" where a guy like Starks may come in later when guys aren't as fresh. Or perhaps Starks came in under a particular circumstance where the defense was playing dime and expecting something totally different.

I don't know if those types of things occurred but I know it's not as easy as just saying that .4 more for player B on his carries necessarily means anything. That would be like me saying "How come when Jimmy Garapollo came in during the 4th quarter of a blowout, his yards per attempt were 7 more than Brady's and his QB rating was 34 points higher? Does that make him the better player?" It's all going to turn on its own events.

 

[Shutout]

Here is everything you need to know about the demise of Eddie Lacy.

Total Defense rankings in 2014 (per NFL.com):

1. Detroit Lions

2. New York Jets

8. Seattle Seahawks (despite playing against Manning, Rodgers, and Phillip Rivers-3 top playoff offenses from a year ago).

Well, this certainly makes me feel better as a Lacy owner... however, I'll be nervous about him until I actually see production. No way I can bench him this week against the Bears though, and there's no way GB's offense will be that putrid two weeks in a row.

I expect about 135 and a td and 3-6 catches this week from Lacy. Just my thoughts, fwiw.

I think Lacy is about to take off in a big way as the Packers find what is going to work for them this year.

Going beyond Lacy and looking at it, the Packers aren't some lumbering 5-11 type team that they are on course to be. They are much better. They have the talent. THey have just been through the gauntlet so far by flying all the way across the country to play the defending champs on opening night at the hardest place in the country to play, then back home against a very physical team and then back on the road against a very physically-imposing defense.

 

[Shutout]

As a Steelers fan it's nice not to hear the "Lacy is so much better than Bell, why did they pick Bell earlier" talk anymore. So far this season it's been clear who the better back is.

Elite RBs perform no matter the matchup.

If that is the case then where was Bell last season when Lacy was leading fantasy owners to titles and keeping the Packers in playoff contention almost single-handedly?

Come on. Let's be realistic. Teams and players go through peaks and valleys so just because Eddie was awesome last year and Bell is awesome this year doesn't in any way mean Bell is elite and Eddie deserves to be piled on.

Honestly, the main difference I see is that the putrid Steelers o-line is much improved this year and the Packers o-line is down from last year and combined with the fact that they have played three extremely tough defenses.

One reason last year was that Bell began the year last year with a foot injury so he lost a lot of development and missed the first few games and played hurt for a while after that. Lacy has had a concussion this year but no injuries to speak of.

Also, Bell's running style has changed drastically since last year. He's much more patient and isn't behind the 3rd string O-line anymore.

I definitely understand your perspective and Bell has really come on and all the Steelers fans deserve to say anything they want to shut up anyone who dogged them over Lacy last year.

My stance: Lacy was clearly better last year, for whatever reason. Bell is clearly better right now. I think there is room for both to have very good and similar impact in real life and fantasy and Bell is certainly out front right now.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

even if lacy starts producing he's in a big hole to justify that 1.05 --- he's not catching a lot of those other players you passed on to take him.

although, I'll give him a shot at foster............

 

[Shutout]

even if lacy starts producing he's in a big hole to justify that 1.05 --- he's not catching a lot of those other players you passed on to take him.

although, I'll give him a shot at foster............

In fairness though, A LOT of the top picks have a lot of work to do to justify their draft spot this year:

Charles

Peterson

Demaryius Thomas

McCoy (slightly)

Drew Brees (slightly)

Monte Ball

Overall, pound for pound in line with their ADP, Calvin, Dez, and Graham have best fit their draft slots.

Probably the happiest guys in the land that drafted a RB high are the Lynch owners.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

yeah, but including charles and peterson in that list is pretty ridiculous.

now, I didn't particularly liek charles because of teh offensive line thing, so we'll see if that becomes an issue going fwd, but as of now he's losing production due to injury.

when you're drafting should you have shied away from peterson because he beat his kid?

 

[LionOfGosforth]

even if lacy starts producing he's in a big hole to justify that 1.05 --- he's not catching a lot of those other players you passed on to take him.

although, I'll give him a shot at foster............

He wouldn't have do much to catch McCoy, Charles or Forte. They've all sucked for various reasons. If he picks up now, there's still time for him to have a top 10 year, not what most hoped for granted, but it's retrievable.

 

[Mr.Pack]

All I'm saying is that if Starks is on your waiver wire, you need to acquire him. He's one fumble / one concussion from Lacey away from a starting job. I wouldn't sell Lacey but I sure as hell would go through lengths to acquire Starks.

I'm not so sure about that.

They absolutely love DuJuan Harris

 

[Todem]

In all fairness....he faced 3 brutal, tough and elite run defenses. Plus he was concussed week one and you can see he has not ran with reckless abandon since.

I think this week...facing a much softer run defense will give us a much better idea of how he can be the rest of the way. I still believe he will have a good fantasy impact for the next 3/4 of the season. That entire offense has been struggling. You gotta believe they are going to break out sooner rather than later. Way too much talent in Green-Bay to keep thinking this will continue.

 

[Raider Nation]

All I'm saying is that if Starks is on your waiver wire, you need to acquire him. He's one fumble / one concussion from Lacey away from a starting job.

People know this, Fabiano.

 

[sho nuff]

vs the Bears who have a short week and a decimated defense. This is the week for both him and Rodgers!

Agreed...and I think the Bears will do everything they can to help out their beat up secondary to try and keep Rodgers from killing them. I think that should bode well for the Packers run game.

Or, you have McCarthy playing the percentages and knowing the secondary is beat up he lets Rodgers loose on them flinging the ball around all over the place.

 

[Shutout]

yeah, but including charles and peterson in that list is pretty ridiculous.

now, I didn't particularly liek charles because of teh offensive line thing, so we'll see if that becomes an issue going fwd, but as of now he's losing production due to injury.

when you're drafting should you have shied away from peterson because he beat his kid?

We may have different opinions on the importance of how they got to the point. I just am responding to the issue: That, for whatever reasons, the price paid for several of these players is not reaping the expected results.

 

[Reegus]

Someone offered lacy to me for sanders and Donald Brown in redraft

 

[valhallan]

Getting peppered with trade offers this week.

 

[RBM]

Someone offered lacy to me for sanders and Donald Brown in redraft

Take it?

 

[Pots]

Someone offered lacy to me for sanders and Donald Brown in redraft

Take it?

 

[UncleZen]

I just traded Zac Stacy for Lacey, in TD heavy league. I'm buying in to the tough schedule to begin the season talk.

 

[sho nuff]

even if lacy starts producing he's in a big hole to justify that 1.05 --- he's not catching a lot of those other players you passed on to take him.

although, I'll give him a shot at foster............

I don't justify the pick in him based necessarily now on final numbers.

Thankfully...in one league I have him I am still 3-0...the other I am 1-2. Started out slow last year too after drafting Richardson.

If he starts producing...and he should...it would justify the spot if he is outproducing guys who were drafted later than him anyway.

He doesn't have to catch their total numbers...but if, from now on, he outproduces them...he is helping his owners now and down the stretch more than those guys...thus justifying the draft even after the slow 3 game start.

 

[Air Stich]

Getting peppered with trade offers this week.

Care to post the best offer?

I was verbally offered Rashad Jennings yesterday, but the offer has been withdrawn.

 

[flapgreen]

vs the Bears who have a short week and a decimated defense. This is the week for both him and Rodgers!

Agreed...and I think the Bears will do everything they can to help out their beat up secondary to try and keep Rodgers from killing them. I think that should bode well for the Packers run game.

Or, you have McCarthy playing the percentages and knowing the secondary is beat up he lets Rodgers loose on them flinging the ball around all over the place.

I'm not saying they're going to stop Lacy but the Bears have been selling out to try and stop the run this season. And they have some big guys in the middle too.

 

[sho nuff]

vs the Bears who have a short week and a decimated defense. This is the week for both him and Rodgers!

Agreed...and I think the Bears will do everything they can to help out their beat up secondary to try and keep Rodgers from killing them. I think that should bode well for the Packers run game.

Or, you have McCarthy playing the percentages and knowing the secondary is beat up he lets Rodgers loose on them flinging the ball around all over the place.

I'm not saying they're going to stop Lacy but the Bears have been selling out to try and stop the run this season. And they have some big guys in the middle too.

But I think there is a difference in selling out to stop it vs. the Jets and Bills and against Rodgers.

Even with Kaepernick...you try to stop the run vs. the 9ers and contain him and make him throw.

Not sure anyone wants to try and force Rodgers to throw...especially with the secondary. Would they rather keep the big guys in the middle and let them try and stop the run and give more help to the secondary that is pretty beat up right now? It will be interesting to see how both teams play this.

Similar with GB...do they try to limit the run and get burnt by Marshall and Jeffrey (and Bennett of course...since the Packers have had ongoing issues covering the middle of the field)