SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Seemed like they were calling more runs from the line and less from the shotgun?
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Anyone not like Eddie Lacy? (2 Viewers)
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Touchdown There
Footballguy
werdnoynek
Footballguy
ypc?
werdnoynek
Footballguy
everyone expected this he's still a bust.................
werdnoynek
Footballguy
where was I last week. Here with all the haters.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
Eddie Lacy already busted, we're just picking up the pieces here.
Chaka
Footballguy
So funny. He had a great game, but just like the previous four weeks didn't tell the entire story neither did tonight. So get over yourselves Lacy lovers (a group to which I belong), he's going to have to do this many more times to justify his draft position.
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
werdnoynek
Footballguy
crushing fools.
thehornet
Footballguy
I fully expect him to do this many more times. He looked like a freight train tonight.
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rjv
Footballguy
Remember who they played tonight, it plays into his performance. He needs more games like this one against a decent opponent.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Hard to gauge anything from tonight. The Vikings pretty cleary gave up basically when they were watching Ponder warm up, and REALLY gave up later on before Lacy was trucking everyone.
rjv
Footballguy
thehornet
Footballguy
I gauged a lot and no he was trucking peoole on the first drive.
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packer_junkie
Footballguy
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
Was a top 10 RB going into the draft, and after last night still deserves to be a top 10 RB
packer_junkie
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
werdnoynek
Footballguy
rjv
Footballguy
Pump the brakes a little
werdnoynek
Footballguy
Everyone, including the Vikings, knew what was coming last night and he still crushed it. I don't think you can just write last night off as a fluke. He only ran it 13 times and he made the most off of each and every touch.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
Lacy certainly played well last night and rewarded his fantasy owners. The fantasy value of players is rather fluid just like a stock--they can go up and they can go down. At the beginning of the season--Lacy was drafted in most leagues in the mid-late first round--meaning he was valued as the 4th or 5th best fantasy RB in the game. Four games into the season--he certainly did not return anything close to those types or results--and regardless of if one is a Lacy hater or supporter--the fact is that his value had dropped significantly. If you go back up and read the previous posts that I put on this thread when his value had dropped--I thought he was a buy low as an RB2. After last night--the buy low window has closed. With that being said--I do think we should take into account some of the "moving parts" in last nights game. The Vikings were a team that was void of any heart or competitive spirit last night. Calling them a train wreck would be an insult to actual train wrecks. Lacy had 13 carries for 105 yrds--an amazing 8.1ypc--but a completely unsustainable ypc. I'm also concerned that he got both of his td's in the second half when the Vikings were essentially completely checked out of the game. Aaron Rodgers had thrown for 3 tds in the game before Lacy has gotten his--which further points out that Green Bay still looks to rely on their passing game to score TD's. To sum it up--Lacy put up solid numbers against an uncompetitive and dejected opponent last night. The Vikes lost their heart and soul in AP--and then they saw a glimmer of hope in Bridgewater--and then Bridgewater was taken away in a short week. They rolled Christian Ponder out there with little or no practice time--and his performance was nothing short of pathetic. I'm not using this as an excuse--as Lacy still did his job and performed--so congrats to all of his owners that played him. However--in all objectivity--I don't think last night is the barometer of what we can routinely expect from Lacy week to week. The quality, mental toughness and preparation of Green Bays opponents will certainly improve from that of last night. My expectations of Lacy after last night are that he should consistently average 70-80 rushing yards, 10-20 receiving yrds and 0.5 tds per game the rest of the way.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
If you bought Lacy low (like I did) one thing you took into consideration was the schedule prior to this game, but more importantly the schedule AFTER the MN game:
@MIA -- Below avg rush d but at home.
CAR -- has been creamed on the ground.
@NO -- Ditto.
BYE
CHI -- Better against run, but still more or less lousy.
PHI -- Better against run than pass but D overall not good.
@MN -- We just saw what he did against MN.
NE -- You saw what KC did to NE's run D.
ATL -- Arguably the worst run D in the league.
@BUF -- Probably the toughest run D on the schedule.
@TB -- Statistically tough but by this point, TB could be in shambles.
If you can still get Lacy get him. And if you have Lacy get Starks.
Minus an injury, Lacy is going to produce.
@MIA -- Below avg rush d but at home.
CAR -- has been creamed on the ground.
@NO -- Ditto.
BYE
CHI -- Better against run, but still more or less lousy.
PHI -- Better against run than pass but D overall not good.
@MN -- We just saw what he did against MN.
NE -- You saw what KC did to NE's run D.
ATL -- Arguably the worst run D in the league.
@BUF -- Probably the toughest run D on the schedule.
@TB -- Statistically tough but by this point, TB could be in shambles.
If you can still get Lacy get him. And if you have Lacy get Starks.
Minus an injury, Lacy is going to produce.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
you cant have it both ways you cant blame tough Run D's in Sea, Det & NYJ for his bad outings and then blame a soft D in minn for a very good game and serviceable game vs Chi's beat up D
Weather will get colder and Run game will have to be a factor. This GB O is still finding its footing.
He's getting the carries in the RedZone, hes getting chances on the goal and Starks is a true backup, but not a committee. It's as good you can ask right now for a #1 RB in this climate.
He looks strong and running hard, he might not be what we thought his high ceiling was coming into the season, but he looked like a #1 RB the past two weeks.
preseason I had him ranked ahead of lynch, as the #5 guy, he's dropped to #10, but still a top 10 guy imho
1 dmurray
2 lynch
3 l bell
4 forte
5. bernard
6. jc
7. mccoy
8. a morris
9. jennings
10. lacy
11. ellington
12. stacy
13. foster
thats just me tho.
He's an every week start, some weeks you will get some crap #s, but thats been the case with guys not named lynch, dmurray and lbell, forte, bernard, all season as well....
Weather will get colder and Run game will have to be a factor. This GB O is still finding its footing.
He's getting the carries in the RedZone, hes getting chances on the goal and Starks is a true backup, but not a committee. It's as good you can ask right now for a #1 RB in this climate.
He looks strong and running hard, he might not be what we thought his high ceiling was coming into the season, but he looked like a #1 RB the past two weeks.
preseason I had him ranked ahead of lynch, as the #5 guy, he's dropped to #10, but still a top 10 guy imho
1 dmurray
2 lynch
3 l bell
4 forte
5. bernard
6. jc
7. mccoy
8. a morris
9. jennings
10. lacy
11. ellington
12. stacy
13. foster
thats just me tho.
He's an every week start, some weeks you will get some crap #s, but thats been the case with guys not named lynch, dmurray and lbell, forte, bernard, all season as well....
Shutout
Footballguy
Yes and I don't know what some others are talking about saying the Vikes D quit or gave up. They were playing the entire time.
Good grief, Charlie Brown, this is starting to take on the look of Arian Foster. He does good but people say prove it by doing it again. He does it again and people say "yeah but, do it again". He does it again. Three years later he has an injury and the people say "AHA! Told ya ALL ALONG!"
Geez Louise, get over already. He was great last year. He opened up in two road games out of three, playing three of the best run defenses in the league. He played against what has appeared to be a pretty good Vikes defense last night and he did well. Just accept it for what it is.
DukeBroadway
Footballguy
Lacy looks out of shape compared to last year. I dont know if it is just perception, but he looks a little less explosive. I am a Lacy believer. Glad he got it going last night. I think he is gonna have the sophmore slump, looks like it 5 games in.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Where is Larry and his "low YPC", "they never go to him in the RZ" and "he needs Rodgers to not be in the game to do well" arguments? 2 TD's and 8.08 ypc. add in 3/3 receptions.
Obviously, Lacy is not a shifty back, but its clear to me he really just needed to stop dancing behind the line and HIT the hole. The o-line looked leaps and bounds better last night and once he gets 2-3 yards of acceleration he just freakin' trucks people. Glad I was patient.
Obviously, Lacy is not a shifty back, but its clear to me he really just needed to stop dancing behind the line and HIT the hole. The o-line looked leaps and bounds better last night and once he gets 2-3 yards of acceleration he just freakin' trucks people. Glad I was patient.
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
JoeyJoJoJuniorShabadoo
Footballguy
Fair assessment and I agree. I picked him at #7 overall and unfortunately he's not the matchup-proof RB i had hoped he would become but, he'll still be solid the rest of the season. To be honest, I was expecting 50% of what he produced last night.
Compared to last season, it seems it takes him longer to build up speed/momentum during his runs. Don't see much weight gain though.
Shutout
Footballguy
I was actually very encouraged by last night because you can clearly see the trademarks of the power and vision once he gets through the hole.
I think what a lot of people are commenting on and calling "dancing around" and "needs to hit the hole" is just lingering residue from the firs few weeks of the season when those three terrific defenses snuffed him out. It just takes a little while to get that confidence back that what he thinks should be there is actually there and now its beginning to be again.
I really don't think we can overlook how good Seattle and Detroit at home and the Jets, in general, are.
Chaka
Footballguy
That's revisionist history. He was the consensus #5 RB going into drafts this season.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Im wondering how much of the dancing was him "being patient" and things he/they were working on. Then last night the patience paid off...or just more holes were there..
He was more decisive in his cuts and hit the holes better.
I think the Oline played much better obviously too. He was not getting hit in the backfield quite as much...nor at the LOS.
Just an all around improvement for this game.
Chaka
Footballguy
Terrible formatting which will cause most to not read it but still a very
GB is still a pass first team.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
ok fair enough
hes dropped out of the top 5, but still a top 10.
not a bust, a def disappointment in regards to draft position, but not a bust.
would you rather be sitting on lacy or mccoy right now?
werdnoynek
Footballguy
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
i dont think im saying that at all? i think hes been a slight disappointment but still a top 10.
glad i still have him...
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Lacy had a concussion in week 1 and then played tough defenses. Over-reactions up to this point. Lacy will do well the rest of the year if he can stay healthy.
zoonation
Footballguy
this is what still concerns me. In a game where they blew the other team out, he still only had 13 runs. I'm still very concerned about his week in week out production.
Chaka
Footballguy
He was the #39 RB (ppg) going into this week. He is currently the #23 RB (ppg).i dont think im saying that at all? i think hes been a slight disappointment but still a top 10.
glad i still have him...
He is on the rise, and I think he will continue to do so, but he has been a bust so far and there isn't a question about that. He has an opportunity to make that right the rest of the way, as evidenced last night, but Q1 was horrendous and put many of his owners in a terrible spot.
And for many of those owners, who cares if he is top 5 the rest of the way when he was a primary reason why they were 0-4 going into week 5? Do any fantasy leagues give out Pyrrhic victory trophies?
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Rodgers had 17 pass attempts. It was a blow out. There was a stat last night mentioned that in Lacy's young career when he touches the ball at least 16 times a game the team has 9 wins. Now, that stat is probably true with most teams when their rb's get lots of touches they are usually up or they have proper balance and you win. What stood out to me though, is I don't care how good Rodgers and the Packers passing attack is, they still are a much more complete and better team when Lacy is touching the ball. They know this and I am guessing they want him touching the ball 15-20 times each and every game. Last night even in a blow out win and not playing the 4th he had 16 touches.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Is lacy the only player they drafted? Your argument is not logical, especially considering the current performance of the consensus Top 12.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
im 2-2
but drafted jennings who has helped me stem the tide
as well as kelvin benjamin, jordy and a WW pickup of SSS
lacy has not come out of the gate, but one player does not a team make....
but drafted jennings who has helped me stem the tide
as well as kelvin benjamin, jordy and a WW pickup of SSS
lacy has not come out of the gate, but one player does not a team make....
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Touchdown There
Footballguy
Please stop making stuff up. The average Lacy owner is 2-2 and most first round picks this year have disappointing. Lacy has not been a bust so far, he had a traumatic brain injury in week 1.
