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Are Aliens Visiting Us? (1 Viewer)

I imagine that people that rely on religion to get through their days would have a slightly more difficult time processing the existence of other beings.
This is about as condescending a post as there is.

What a bigoted arrogant statement.
The Judeo/Christian god created man in his own image, right? You don't see how the existence of beings superior to our race would cause some degree of self-doubt amongst those that base their day to day lives on that belief?
Who's to say God didn't create them also .
sure, but that would really mess with Genesis.
 
Don't want to derail this into religion. My question/comment was more about whether anything would really change in society's day to day lives. I don't think it would do much economically, but I could see it shaking some individual worldviews.
 
Don't want to derail this into religion. My question/comment was more about whether anything would really change in society's day to day lives. I don't think it would do much economically, but I could see it shaking some individual worldviews.
Some religions might collapse and I’m guessing others would be born

I think we’re in a slow rolled controlled disclosure. Reading Lue Elizondo’s book he mentions some in the governments fear of what a catastrophic disclosure would do . Stop working , paying mortgagee/bills and following laws etc.
 
Reading Lue Elizondo’s book he mentions some in the governments fear of what a catastrophic disclosure would do . Stop working , paying mortgagee/bills and following laws etc.
His Rogan interview was fantastic. I’m not sure how someone listening to him can’t find him credible. He and Mellon were literally in positions of power with direct ties to this.
 
I have to wonder if a civilization that means us harm would have the ability to get along with each other long enough to develop the technology to get here.
 
Don't want to derail this into religion. My question/comment was more about whether anything would really change in society's day to day lives. I don't think it would do much economically, but I could see it shaking some individual worldviews.
Some religions might collapse and I’m guessing others would be born

I think we’re in a slow rolled controlled disclosure. Reading Lue Elizondo’s book he mentions some in the governments fear of what a catastrophic disclosure would do . Stop working , paying mortgagee/bills and following laws etc.
Pretty sure that knowing aliens exist wouldn’t cause me to quit my job. I feel like the vast majority of people would keep doing the day to day.
 
Jeez guys, I'm just here for the alien sightings/conspiracy theories. Not sure what all this other nonsense is.
Well it all started when fish tried to say all religious people are too stupid to handle it if aliens showed up and then throws his hands up and says "who me?" like he didn't actually write what he wrote
 
Jeez guys, I'm just here for the alien sightings/conspiracy theories. Not sure what all this other nonsense is.
Well it all started when fish tried to say all religious people are too stupid to handle it if aliens showed up and then throws his hands up and says "who me?" like he didn't actually write what he wrote
That's not what I said at all. I think that the reveal of aliens would affect religious people more than non-religious people. If you want to take that as an attack or spin that into believing religious people are stupid, you may want to look at your own worldview. I also think that the irrefutable evidence of other species should make everyone consider their existing views of society and humanity. Those that base those views on faith would seem to me to have a more difficult reconciliation of an extraordinary change in the facts of our existence.
 
I have to wonder if a civilization that means us harm would have the ability to get along with each other long enough to develop the technology to get here.
why would they necessarily mean us harm? I have a cat. love her with all my heart. Feed her and take care of her. As Perry Ferrell said, "we make good pets."
 
I re-read my posts looking for something that supported jayrod's claim that i called religious people stupid. I don't think it's true at all. but i respect @Joe Bryant, and the fact that he's a Christian and this is his site. I invite him to review each of my posts and if I insulted a religion delete the offending posts and accept my apology. But I don't think what you claim is there.
 
Don't want to derail this into religion. My question/comment was more about whether anything would really change in society's day to day lives. I don't think it would do much economically, but I could see it shaking some individual worldviews.
Some religions might collapse and I’m guessing others would be born

I think we’re in a slow rolled controlled disclosure. Reading Lue Elizondo’s book he mentions some in the governments fear of what a catastrophic disclosure would do . Stop working , paying mortgagee/bills and following laws etc.
why would someone quit paying their mortgage? just because it turns out someone else wrote the rules doesn't change the game.
 
I have to wonder if a civilization that means us harm would have the ability to get along with each other long enough to develop the technology to get here.
why would they necessarily mean us harm? I have a cat. love her with all my heart. Feed her and take care of her. As Perry Ferrell said, "we make good pets."
That was kind of my point. I think to develop that level of technology a species has to evolve past warmongering tendencies.
 
I imagine that people that rely on religion to get through their days would have a slightly more difficult time processing the existence of other beings.
How do people "rely on religion to get through their days"?

Why would they "have a more difficult time processing the existence of other beings"?

And this is compared to who?

You imply they lack the comprehensive ability to live at all or deal with something new. And since you don't qualify the comparison to another party, the implication is compared to everyone else.

I just think the singling out is odd and the wording is very condescending and fairly unnecessary. It's like you wanted to pick a fight and are now acting shocked that you got one.
 
That was kind of my point. I think to develop that level of technology a species has to evolve past warmongering tendencies.

What if their Dept. of Defense developed it in a fit of reverse engineering because they were so threatened by a competing and violent ideology that they used all their resources to become the itinerant travelers of the universe and are really on the run from the true developers?
 
Don't want to derail this into religion. My question/comment was more about whether anything would really change in society's day to day lives. I don't think it would do much economically, but I could see it shaking some individual worldviews.
Some religions might collapse and I’m guessing others would be born

I think we’re in a slow rolled controlled disclosure. Reading Lue Elizondo’s book he mentions some in the governments fear of what a catastrophic disclosure would do . Stop working , paying mortgagee/bills and following laws etc.
Pretty sure that knowing aliens exist wouldn’t cause me to quit my job. I feel like the vast majority of people would keep doing the day to day.
I agree
Don't want to derail this into religion. My question/comment was more about whether anything would really change in society's day to day lives. I don't think it would do much economically, but I could see it shaking some individual worldviews.
Some religions might collapse and I’m guessing others would be born

I think we’re in a slow rolled controlled disclosure. Reading Lue Elizondo’s book he mentions some in the governments fear of what a catastrophic disclosure would do . Stop working , paying mortgagee/bills and following laws etc.
why would someone quit paying their mortgage? just because it turns out someone else wrote the rules doesn't change the game.
I don’t know. You would have to ask the gatekeepers in the government . I only repeated what’s in a book on this subject . This has been going on for a longtime so that assumption could have been made decades ago
 
Jeez guys, I'm just here for the alien sightings/conspiracy theories. Not sure what all this other nonsense is.
Well it all started when fish tried to say all religious people are too stupid to handle it if aliens showed up and then throws his hands up and says "who me?" like he didn't actually write what he wrote
That's not what I said at all. I think that the reveal of aliens would affect religious people more than non-religious people. If you want to take that as an attack or spin that into believing religious people are stupid, you may want to look at your own worldview. I also think that the irrefutable evidence of other species should make everyone consider their existing views of society and humanity. Those that base those views on faith would seem to me to have a more difficult reconciliation of an extraordinary change in the facts of our existence.
I'm an agnostic theist.. I'm not getting your leap to why those with a religious world view (which I don't have) automatically have a more difficult time processing that. If anything, id think people with faith might even be more accepting. Dunno.

Theres a TV show called Colony... Not great, but decent. Gets into all of this day to day life stuff from the point of view of the earth having been colonized by aliens. Obviously loads of TV and film cover the subject..just thought of that show as showing people going to work and living their normal day to day human lives in the face of it.

I do think the question of our reaction revolves more around the nature of the alien arrival. And whether they're cute or not.
 
Reading Lue Elizondo’s book he mentions some in the governments fear of what a catastrophic disclosure would do . Stop working , paying mortgagee/bills and following laws etc.
His Rogan interview was fantastic. I’m not sure how someone listening to him can’t find him credible. He and Mellon were literally in positions of power with direct ties to this.
Listening to him on Julian Dorey's podcast right now, pretty solid.
I imagine that people that rely on religion to get through their days would have a slightly more difficult time processing the existence of other beings.
How do people "rely on religion to get through their days"?

Why would they "have a more difficult time processing the existence of other beings"?

And this is compared to who?

You imply they lack the comprehensive ability to live at all or deal with something new. And since you don't qualify the comparison to another party, the implication is compared to everyone else.

I just think the singling out is odd and the wording is very condescending and fairly unnecessary. It's like you wanted to pick a fight and are now acting shocked that you got one.
I appreciate the back & forth but can we just bury the back & forth before it gets worse than it already is? Asking for the thread, TIA
 
Still extremely unlikely though, IMO. The whole speed of light thing and all.
My only counter that that is we don’t know what’s possible or real until we discover it. The amount of science and understanding we currently know is vastly outweighed by what we’ve yet to learn. Limitations we currently think we have often turn out to be commonplace in the not too distant future.
I appreciate and share this scientific viewpoint, particularly in a field like astrophysics. I’m still feeling pretty good about this one.
 
What ever happened to "If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also"?
Think it got a Hollywood rewrite and the line currently stands at "crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women."
 
Still extremely unlikely though, IMO. The whole speed of light thing and all.
My only counter that that is we don’t know what’s possible or real until we discover it. The amount of science and understanding we currently know is vastly outweighed by what we’ve yet to learn. Limitations we currently think we have often turn out to be commonplace in the not too distant future.
I appreciate and share this scientific viewpoint, particularly in a field like astrophysics. I’m still feeling pretty good about this one.
Maybe our laws of physics doesn’t pertain to the phenomenon. Maybe they aren’t traveling long distances. Lots of credible reports about these being transmedium craft. Too many questions, not enough answers
 
I have to wonder if a civilization that means us harm would have the ability to get along with each other long enough to develop the technology to get here.
why would they necessarily mean us harm? I have a cat. love her with all my heart. Feed her and take care of her. As Perry Ferrell said, "we make good pets."
Perry Farrell might not be the best example of a wise man at the moment.
 
I will always believe in the existence of extraterrestrial beings, perhaps more advanced than humans, perhaps unable to speak, or possibly not carbon based creatures at all. The universe is so vast that there are definitely extraterrestrial beings beyond Earth.
Salute from Vateran.
 
Still extremely unlikely though, IMO. The whole speed of light thing and all.
My only counter that that is we don’t know what’s possible or real until we discover it. The amount of science and understanding we currently know is vastly outweighed by what we’ve yet to learn. Limitations we currently think we have often turn out to be commonplace in the not too distant future.
I appreciate and share this scientific viewpoint, particularly in a field like astrophysics. I’m still feeling pretty good about this one.
Maybe our laws of physics doesn’t pertain to the phenomenon. Maybe they aren’t traveling long distances. Lots of credible reports about these being transmedium craft. Too many questions, not enough answers
wut
 
Once you hand-wave the laws of physics as we know them, then why stop at aliens visiting our planet as the explanation? Why not ghosts, time-traveling humans, shape-shifting witches, etc?
 
Jeez guys, I'm just here for the alien sightings/conspiracy theories. Not sure what all this other nonsense is.
Well it all started when fish tried to say all religious people are too stupid to handle it if aliens showed up and then throws his hands up and says "who me?" like he didn't actually write what he wrote
That's not what I said at all. I think that the reveal of aliens would affect religious people more than non-religious people. If you want to take that as an attack or spin that into believing religious people are stupid, you may want to look at your own worldview. I also think that the irrefutable evidence of other species should make everyone consider their existing views of society and humanity. Those that base those views on faith would seem to me to have a more difficult reconciliation of an extraordinary change in the facts of our existence.
Plot twist: we begin communication with the advanced alien race, and the first thing they tell us is about how this dude named Jesus came to save them and they wanted to spread his teachings across the universe.
 
Once you hand-wave the laws of physics as we know them, then why stop at aliens visiting our planet as the explanation? Why not ghosts, time-traveling humans, shape-shifting witches, etc?
i just hope,the witches are smoke shows like wanda she is easy on the eyes take that to the bank bromigos
The good news for you is that their appearance depends on what you want to see. You see Wanda, while Joe Rogan sees that dude from Mars Attacks
 
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Still extremely unlikely though, IMO. The whole speed of light thing and all.
My only counter that that is we don’t know what’s possible or real until we discover it. The amount of science and understanding we currently know is vastly outweighed by what we’ve yet to learn. Limitations we currently think we have often turn out to be commonplace in the not too distant future.
I appreciate and share this scientific viewpoint, particularly in a field like astrophysics. I’m still feeling pretty good about this one.
Maybe our laws of physics doesn’t pertain to the phenomenon. Maybe they aren’t traveling long distances. Lots of credible reports about these being transmedium craft. Too many questions, not enough answers
wut
There’s multiple videos of objects flying then going into the water.
 
Jeez guys, I'm just here for the alien sightings/conspiracy theories. Not sure what all this other nonsense is.
Well it all started when fish tried to say all religious people are too stupid to handle it if aliens showed up and then throws his hands up and says "who me?" like he didn't actually write what he wrote
That's not what I said at all. I think that the reveal of aliens would affect religious people more than non-religious people. If you want to take that as an attack or spin that into believing religious people are stupid, you may want to look at your own worldview. I also think that the irrefutable evidence of other species should make everyone consider their existing views of society and humanity. Those that base those views on faith would seem to me to have a more difficult reconciliation of an extraordinary change in the facts of our existence.
Plot twist: we begin communication with the advanced alien race, and the first thing they tell us is about how this dude named Jesus came to save them and they wanted to spread his teachings across the universe.
Ray Bradbury's "The Man."
 
Don't want to derail this into religion. My question/comment was more about whether anything would really change in society's day to day lives. I don't think it would do much economically, but I could see it shaking some individual worldviews.
Some religions might collapse and I’m guessing others would be born

I think we’re in a slow rolled controlled disclosure. Reading Lue Elizondo’s book he mentions some in the governments fear of what a catastrophic disclosure would do . Stop working , paying mortgagee/bills and following laws etc.
Just read an excerpt from the book. This dude claims he was taught by the "secret army" to use ESP to view terrorists remotely and joined four other guys at lunch in a cafeteria in appearing at a terrorist's bedside as a bunch of angels shaking his bed?
:lmao:

Seriously, that seems like a skill he should easily be able to demonstrate under James Randi challenge - type conditions so that more people take him and his alien theories more seriously.
 
More Congressional hearings coming November 13

UAP Disclosure Act stopped by Rand Paul
Written by Christopher Sharp - 20 September 2024
An unprecedented Senate amendment aimed at increasing transparency on Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP), introduced by U.S. Senators Mike Rounds and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, has been excluded from the Senate’s National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2025 (NDAA FY 2025) Manager’s Package.

It was seen as the final opportunity for the amendment to be considered for inclusion in law within the finalised version of the NDAA.
As a result, the amendment—known as the UAP Disclosure Act (UAPDA) —will not form part of any negotiations with the House of Representatives as they finalise the NDAA FY 2025, which is expected to be signed into law by President Joe Biden.
If passed, the UAPDA could have unleashed a process revealing that the U.S. Government and defense contractors possess retrieved crafts, which are, according to the Act, capable of trans-medium travel, instantaneous acceleration, hypersonic speeds, and positive lift.
Liberation Times has learned that the CIA —currently facing mounting criticism over alleged dishonesty regarding anomalous health incidents—along with the Department of Defense and Department of Energy, has consistently bypassed democratic oversight in retrieving advanced objects of unknown origin.
According to Liberation Times sources, these materials are subsequently sent to National Labs and select defense contractors, including Lockheed Martin.
Multiple programs are understood to be orchestrated by the CIA’s Directorate of Science and Technology and its Directorate of Operations alongside Department of Defense components.
If the Act had passed, the President would have appointed nine impartial citizens, to a newly established UAP Records Review Board, overseen by the Senate’s Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.
This board would oversee the collection, review, and public disclosure of UAP records and has the authority to examine materials, solicit testimonies, and gather additional witnesses and whistleblowers.
The establishment of the Review Board would prevent government agencies and individuals accused of involvement with illegal UAP programs from investigating and exonerating themselves.
This board would eliminate their direct influence over the government's current UAP office, the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), a practice multiple sources have reported to Liberation Times.
Liberation Times understands the UAPDA was backed by the Senate’s Intelligence and Armed Services Committee.
The UAPDA’s inclusion within the Manager’s Package hinged upon support from the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs - due to its potential oversight role and involvement in a controlled UAP disclosure campaign, should it have been passed. However, sources state that the UAPDA failed to be included within the Manager’s Package, due to resistance from that Committee’s Republican ranking member, Senator Rand Paul. Liberation Times has requested comment from Senator Paul’s office.
Notably, in 2021 Senator Paul implied that $22 million secured by the late Senator Harry Reid for a UAP program was a bad use of government money.
It marks the second successive failure for the UAPDA, which was gutted by NDAA FY 2024, due to opposition from multiple fronts, most notably Representative Mike Turner and other leaders within the House.
Of note, following its gutting from NDAA FY 2024, Senator Schumer, stated that multiple credible sources notified him and Senator Rounds that information on UAP has been withheld from Congress:
"We've also been notified by multiple credible sources that information on UAPs has also been withheld from Congress, which if true is a violation of laws requiring full notification to the legislative branch, especially as it relates to the four congressional leaders, the defence committees, and the intelligence committees."

Speaking with Liberation Times about the UAPDA’s second consecutive failure, Lester Nare, the founder of the UAP Caucus - a group dedicated to raising UAP awareness and advocating for action among congressional members - commented:
“The failure of the UAP Disclosure Act (UAPDA) in 2024 is disappointing but not entirely unexpected, given the complexities of the current election cycle, the political dynamics within the 118th Congress, and persistent pushback from institutional gatekeepers. While this setback is significant, it does not mark the end of our efforts towards greater transparency in UAP-related matters.
“We look forward to the forthcoming releases mandated by UAPDA provisions that did pass in the NDAA FY24, including intelligence assessments on the nature and origins of UAP. Looking ahead, we have been proactively developing legislative alternatives tailored for introduction in the 119th Congress.
“These new initiatives will be presented publicly, offering a fresh approach to achieving our goals of increased disclosure and accountability. It's important to note that this likely represents the final iteration of the UAPDA in its current form. Our future legislative efforts will build upon the lessons learned from this experience, adapting to the evolving political landscape and addressing the concerns that hindered the Act's passage.”
Yuan Fung of the UAP Disclosure Fund told Liberation Times:
“On behalf of the UAP Disclosure Fund, we express our deep disappointment that the UAP Disclosure Act (UAPDA) has not been included in the Senate’s FY 2025 National Defense Authorization Act package.
“The UAPDA had garnered robust, bipartisan support and would have ushered in an unprecedented level of transparency and oversight over UAP records held by the Executive Branch. We commend Senators Mike Rounds, Chuck Schumer, Kirsten Gillibrand, and Martin Heinrich for championing this legislation for two consecutive years, and we are grateful to all those who worked behind the scenes to advocate for this critical cause.
“We remain hopeful that these senators and others will persist in their efforts to establish proper Congressional oversight of UAP matters, which raise serious concerns regarding the use of taxpayer funds and national security.
“While this setback is disappointing, it does not diminish our resolve. Our mission to advance UAP transparency and disclosure continues. In the months ahead, we will explore every available avenue to maintain pressure on the government to be truthful with the American people and the global community.
“Our work will focus on building political momentum for UAP disclosure and demanding the truth—because the public deserves nothing less.”
Despite repeated failures to pass the UAPDA, new UAP hearings expected in the coming months within both the Senate and House.
Furthermore, there is a potentially brighter future for AARO under the leadership of its new director, Dr. Jon T. Kosloski. The new move potentially provides the AARO with another opportunity to rigorously investigate allegations of retrieval and reverse engineering programs relating to materials and biologics of potential non-human intelligence.
Therefore, the fight for transparency from within the U.S. Government continues.
Furthermore, there are three other UAP provisions included within the NDAA FY 2025 Manager’s Package, including a Comptroller General review of the AARO, following the departure of its much-criticised former director, Dr Sean Kirkpatrick.
For now, news of the UAPDA’s apparent failure will be greeted positively by elements within the Department of Defense and the Intelligence Community, who continue to resist public and congressional transparency and accountability.

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So this gets released a day after the hearing from the pentagon :eek:


Pentagon says UFO nearly crashed into commercial airliner above New York - as bombshell report is released
16:25 EST 14 Nov 2024, updated 16:39 EST 14 Nov 2024 By ELLYN LAPOINTE FOR DAILYMAIL.COM and ASSOCIATED PRESS

READ MORE: Congress promises to reveal secret UFO research
The Pentagon has released a new report on UFOs that revealed hundreds of documented incidents of unidentified and unexplained aerial phenomena (UAPs).

While there is no evidence to suggest that these UAPs - the government's term for UFOs - are of extraterrestrial origin, some defy explanation, including a near-miss between a commercial airliner and a mysterious object off the coast of New York.

The report comes as public interest in UAPs has skyrocketed, prompting the US government to work to provide some answers about these strange objects.

It was published one day after House lawmakers called for greater government transparency during a hearing on UAPs.

The Pentagon's review detailed 757 cases of UAP encounters that were reported to US authorities mainly between May 1, 2023 and June 1, 2024. That total includes 272 incidents that occurred before that time period but were not previously reported.

Reporting witnesses included commercial and military pilots as well as ground-based observers.

The majority of these incidents occurred in airspace, but 49 took place at altitudes estimated to be at least 62 miles above Earth's surface, which is considered space.

No injuries or crashes were reported in any of the incidents. But a commercial flight crew reported one near miss with a 'cylindrical object' while flying over the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of New York. That incident is still under investigation.
 
I will always believe in the existence of extraterrestrial beings, perhaps more advanced than humans, perhaps unable to speak, or possibly not carbon based creatures at all. The universe is so vast that there are definitely extraterrestrial beings beyond Earth.
Salute from Vateran.
I think it almost certain there is life all over the galaxy. However, whether there is complex life that is conscious and aware of the broader universe, is much less certain. As Professor Brian Cox notes, the conditions that allowed humans to evolve are almost unimaginable. First, the earth had to remain stable enough for a period of billions of years. The universe, so far we know, is only 13.4 billion years old. Dinosaurs had dominion over the earth for 165 million years. They would likely still have dominion over the earth but for the asteroid extinction event. Then the conditions had to remain stable for the next ~75 million years to humans to evolve in the last ~250K years (which is a blink of an eye in evolutionary terms and even more so in cosmological terms).

All of that is to say the necessary conditions to give rise to complex life are unimaginably rare.
 
I will always believe in the existence of extraterrestrial beings, perhaps more advanced than humans, perhaps unable to speak, or possibly not carbon based creatures at all. The universe is so vast that there are definitely extraterrestrial beings beyond Earth.
Salute from Vateran.
I think it almost certain there is life all over the galaxy. However, whether there is complex life that is conscious and aware of the broader universe, is much less certain. As Professor Brian Cox notes, the conditions that allowed humans to evolve are almost unimaginable. First, the earth had to remain stable enough for a period of billions of years. The universe, so far we know, is only 13.4 billion years old. Dinosaurs had dominion over the earth for 165 million years. They would likely still have dominion over the earth but for the asteroid extinction event. Then the conditions had to remain stable for the next ~75 million years to humans to evolve in the last ~250K years (which is a blink of an eye in evolutionary terms and even more so in cosmological terms).

All of that is to say the necessary conditions to give rise to complex life are unimaginably rare.
But the universe is also unimaginably large. I think there probably is complex life or there will be, but they are most likely so distant, it's impractical to ever find them or communicate with them.

But either way, looking at this information, it's beyond unreasonable to think aliens are flying their spaceships here crashing in New Mexico and near missing commercial planes.
 

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