Are Joe Burrow and the Bengals here to stay as a Super Bowl contender? (2 Viewers)

[eighsse2]

Yeah, this is a realm he has not entered.

It will be fascinating to watch. Brown has already cost himself money by waiting.

I'm just working on the theory that the last QB to sign will have the larger contract since they keep getting bigger and bigger.

The reason that the last QB to sign will have the larger contract is because the best QB waits until last to sign.

I would wager that Brown had very little say in waiting, Burrow and his camp almost certainly wanted to see what the others got first.

Oh, of course. And Brown may have tried to get him signed earlier than we think.

I guess this will be the test of Burrow and how he wants to structure this deal to help the team keep the core. I'm guessing his representation is looking at Mahomes contract closely. But at some point that contract gets up into the percentage of the cap test that starts to restrict the entire roster.

Mahomes took up 17% of the cap last year, making it the largest percentage of a Super Bowl winning QB in history.

I hope the Bengals get it done with him. Love this rivalry and want to see it continue.

But then why has he "already cost himself money by waiting" if it wasn't really his choice? I guess I just don't get why he's getting any blame here (yet) considering nothing has occurred that's even remotely out of the ordinary. He seems like a clown and may end up screwing things up but he hasn't even had the opportunity to do so yet.

Agreed, it's a delicate balance between "getting yours" and leaving enough to put a good team around you. He has already said that he wants to keep his teammates who are close/due extensions a focal point, so it will be interesting to see the final outcome.

Yeah, that is is where I'm at. Nothing that has (or hasn't) happened yet tells me anything good or bad. A little trigger happy.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Thread lock is just around the corner. Hendrickson extended a year to finagle the cap a little.

Anyway cannot come soon enough.

-QG

 

[Ministry of Pain]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/07/28/bengals-should-pay-joe-burrow-now-injury

Nice of Sports Illustrated

 

[QuizGuy66]

-QG

 

[msudaisy26]

Whoops

 

[need2know]

Joe cool

 

[fatness]

Joe Burrow, the highest-paid player in NFL history​

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Rough season for poor Joe, waste of Year 4 on his Rookie deal after 2 deep Playoff runs including a SB appearance

 

[Ministry of Pain]

And we're back again

-I didn't know that the Bengals did not have an indoor practice facility and only at the insistence of Joe Burrow Year 2 did they finally put one in
They screwed around with Burrow all the way until almost the start of the season, he injured his calf in camp and then his season took an abrupt end
Chase has had very little work vs what a full training camp would be like for him

Do the Bengals not understand the going rate for Wide Receivers?

 

[wgoldsph]

And we're back again

-I didn't know that the Bengals did not have an indoor practice facility and only at the insistence of Joe Burrow Year 2 did they finally put one in
They screwed around with Burrow all the way until almost the start of the season, he injured his calf in camp and then his season took an abrupt end
Chase has had very little work vs what a full training camp would be like for him

Do the Bengals not understand the going rate for Wide Receivers?

The Bengals have been one of the worst run franchises in any sport ever. Not bottom of the barrel enough to force a change in ownership, just consistently awful.

 

[eighsse2]

And we're back again

-I didn't know that the Bengals did not have an indoor practice facility and only at the insistence of Joe Burrow Year 2 did they finally put one in
They screwed around with Burrow all the way until almost the start of the season, he injured his calf in camp and then his season took an abrupt end
Chase has had very little work vs what a full training camp would be like for him

Do the Bengals not understand the going rate for Wide Receivers?

The Bengals understand the going rate. Some players don't understand contracts.

 

[bcat01]

I think the window is closing fast after this year. Hendrickson and Hubbard are both getting older and they have no replacement. The offensive line is getting older and are not that great to begin with. They need to start drafting starters if they want to keep competing.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

How's the '24 season looking so far?

 

[eighsse2]

How's the '24 season looking so far?

0-1. Lost to the Patriots at home, believe it or not. Higgins was out though, and Chase was limited in usage, though he did great when he was targeted, which was a nice surprise. I thought he might be rusty. Only 5-point underdogs next week @KC. We'll see!

 

[Scoresman]

They always start slow under Zac Taylor. I can’t believe no one in the organization has noticed this pattern and done something about it.

 

[eighsse2]

They always start slow under Zac Taylor. I can’t believe no one in the organization has noticed this pattern and done something about it.

Preseason is just for fun, right?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

And the Bengals continue to show their true stripes time and time again
They really can't pay the going rate on Wide Receivers be it Chase or Higgins

Franchise Tag Twice?!

 

[eighsse2]

And the Bengals continue to show their true stripes time and time again
They really can't pay the going rate on Wide Receivers be it Chase or Higgins

Franchise Tag Twice?!

Franchise tag is defined by the going rate.

ETA: If they were franchise tagging Chase two years in a row, that would be different. He's still under contract but his extension is coming.

 

[BoltNlava]

If they want him so bad (Higgins) why not just get a contract done? I'd be looking for better pastures.

 

[travdogg]

If they want him so bad (Higgins) why not just get a contract done? I'd be looking for better pastures.

I think the tag is the right move with Higgins. He's a good WR, but you'd like to see him stay healthy before committing long-term. I don't know, I don't see the issue.

 

[Donnybrook]

Not sure how this helps them?

https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1897743066720592111/photo/1

 

[lsutigers]

Not sure how this helps them?

https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1897743066720592111/photo/1

They weren't paying Chase, Higgins and Hendrickson (and Burrow). I take this to mean retaining Higgins is a priority, and they feel if they can keep the offensive skill players together and just improve the D (and Oline) a little, they can be contenders again.

I still don't understand how bad their D is since they have some decent or emerging talent (Ossai, BJ Hill, maybe Murphy, Pratt, Battle and Stone at safety).

 

[rockaction]

Not sure how this helps them?

https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1897743066720592111/photo/1

They weren't paying Chase, Higgins and Hendrickson (and Burrow). I take this to mean retaining Higgins is a priority, and they feel if they can keep the offensive skill players together and just improve the D (and Oline) a little, they can be contenders again.

I still don't understand how bad their D is since they have some decent or emerging talent (Ossai, BJ Hill, maybe Murphy, Pratt, Battle and Stone at safety).

Ossai is supposed to be a rising player but got a lousy PFF grade (I roster him in dynasty so I was bummed). I think Pratt has asked for a trade.

 

[travdogg]

3/25.5 contract for Gesicki.

Not a big fan of that one, I feel like Burrow can make basically any TE look good in that offense, and Gesicki has proven to be a middling player. Its not big money, but its not for a particularly good player either.

 

[rockaction]

3/25.5 contract for Gesicki.

Not a big fan of that one, I feel like Burrow can make basically any TE look good in that offense, and Gesicki has proven to be a middling player. Its not big money, but its not for a particularly good player either.

That's not so great. I wonder what the contract looks like for real.

You wonder if they couldn't have just traded for Goedert, who has the added bonus of being a good blocker.

 

[IHEARTFF]

More bad contract news for Bengals today with Garrett getting 40, DK getting 33. Good luck on Chase and Higgins getting a penny less than those, respectively.

 

[bcat01]

More bad contract news for Bengals today with Garrett getting 40, DK getting 33. Good luck on Chase and Higgins getting a penny less than those, respectively.

The mistake of not signing Chase last year and Higgins sooner is going to be one of the biggest mistakes they have ever made. Each day is costing them more money that they claim not to have.

 

[Snotbubbles]

More bad contract news for Bengals today with Garrett getting 40, DK getting 33. Good luck on Chase and Higgins getting a penny less than those, respectively.

The mistake of not signing Chase last year and Higgins sooner is going to be one of the biggest mistakes they have ever made. Each day is costing them more money that they claim not to have.

I don't understand why at the very least they didn't lock Chase up long-term. I can understand not wanting to pay two guys top of the market money, but you know Chase is a bona fide top 3 WR in the league for at least the next 5 years. Charge an extra dollar for hot dogs at the stadium if you have to.

 

[Gatorade]

More bad contract news for Bengals today with Garrett getting 40, DK getting 33. Good luck on Chase and Higgins getting a penny less than those, respectively.

The mistake of not signing Chase last year and Higgins sooner is going to be one of the biggest mistakes they have ever made. Each day is costing them more money that they claim not to have.

They obviously have been consulting Jerry Jones on how to conduct contact negotiations.

 

[IHEARTFF]

https://x.com/schultz_report/status/1901466892184740072?s=46&t=9oKtmJHDoP7RI73tVP3j0Q

Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
BREAKING: #Bengals WRs Ja'Marr Chase and Tee Higgins exclusively tell me they’ve agreed to contract extensions with the team.

Ja'Marr gets: 4-years, $161M with $112M guaranteed — making him the highest-paid non-QB in NFL history.

Tee gets: 4-years, $115M with the first two years guaranteed — making him the highest paid WR2 in NFL history.

 

[eighsse2]

45% of salary cap on the top 3 offensive players. Makes it tough to field a team beyond that. But, it is an epic trio, very glad to keep them around. Could be a lot of fun for the next few years if we can get enough cheap, scrappy guys to make up the defense and o-line.

ETA: Granted I don't know how the contracts are structured, and how the "cap hit" works and all that. Just going by annual average salary.

 

[rockaction]

45% of salary cap on the top 3 offensive players.

Oof. Better hope the offensive line holds up enough to let your downfield playmakers get downfield.

 

[sm8680]

Show me a defense, and I'll show you a team that isn't the Cincinnati Bengals. Until they start addressing that side of the ball with the seriousness it demands, they'll continue to be a team that's all offense and no defense. Perfect for fantasy football!

 

[Mr. Peterson]

They are going to win fantasy football championships, but not a Super Bowl.

 

[steelcityman]

I think Higgins contract is something they can trade out of, its not a wild contract. But Burrow would cry, so it likely wont happen, not for a couple years anyway.

 

[Football Jones]

I suspect Burrow will adjust his salary if needed. I believe he's mentioned that in the past.

If I were them, I'd go OL-heavy in the draft. Can they win a Super Bowl? Absolutely...they could easily be the highest scoring team in the league. They'll need a few guys to come out of the woodwork on D, but it's possible.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

What an amazing week for the Bengals, even by their standards you have to stand back in awe of what is unfolding at the moment in Cincinnati

-First, let's start with the team cutting their Captain on Defense, and they could have released him much earlier in the off season and chose not to.
Regardless of your personal opinion and I'm sure Bengals' fans dismiss this move and don't think about it all that much but it sure sends a clear message to other players or anyone thinking of signing with this team...not that the NFLPA hasn't alerted everyone already

-Next! I could have saved Trey Hendrickson a lot of time and energy by simply pointing out how the Bengals made Burrow go thru August camps and injure his calf before they finally get his extension done, Hurts and Herbert were extended months prior to Burrow. Then you have Chase and Higgins, BOTH of them should have been extended at the 36 month timeline, 3 years after they signed their rookie deals, Higgins had to play on a franchise tag, Chase had to play on Year 4, as an example the Miami Dolphins extended Waddle in the same Draft class well before Chase, almost an entire year+

-Finally, and this one takes the cake. They put wording into rookie Shemar Stewart's deal that no other rookie had in their contract and now they have angered him to the point where he decides to RIP the front office a new one and says the leaders on that team support him...Burrow-Chase-Higgins-Hendrickson, they all must have told him you better get it up front or you won't get it.
The wording involves $$$ and Stewart not getting all his guaranteed money if the Bengals were to release him in Year 2-3-4 whenever...no other rookie was asked to do this

Shemar Stewart Calls Out Bengals Front Office As Contract Clash Continues

Cincinnati and its first-round pick are in a standoff.

www.si.com

SMH

-Traveling thru the Smokies, saw this unfold while I'm on the road and had to chime in
Good job Cincinnati!

 

[warpig33]

What is the deal with the teams in OH?! CLE is poorly ran as well! As MoP has pointed out, we also have to add how they did Pratt too. He was a stat machine no doubt, but he wasn't really helping the team because they are one of the worst defenses in the league. And I only expect them to get worse without Hendrickson, Pratt, and their rookie DE. They are no longer a serious SB contender since I assume we all agree...DEFENSE wins championships. Sure, they may score a lot, but they won't be stopping ANYONE! I honestly feel bad for the players in CIN.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

@Ministry of Pain I had the exact same reaction when I read an article on the Shemar Stewart rookie offer. What a complete clown show of an organization!

No wonder they perenially fall short, even with all the talent.

 

[Scoresman]

This offense is amazing when you consider they put out one of the worst offensive lines in the league, if not THE worst.

They should also try and figure how to not start every season rusty as hell.

 

[eighsse2]

This offense is amazing when you consider they put out one of the worst offensive lines in the league, if not THE worst.

They should also try and figure how to not start every season rusty as hell.

Yes we really need to start respecting preseason a little. I'm getting tired of this "3 snaps for the starters in one game, that'll do" crap.

 

[Desert_Power]

What an amazing week for the Bengals, even by their standards you have to stand back in awe of what is unfolding at the moment in Cincinnati

-First, let's start with the team cutting their Captain on Defense, and they could have released him much earlier in the off season and chose not to.
Regardless of your personal opinion and I'm sure Bengals' fans dismiss this move and don't think about it all that much but it sure sends a clear message to other players or anyone thinking of signing with this team...not that the NFLPA hasn't alerted everyone already

-Next! I could have saved Trey Hendrickson a lot of time and energy by simply pointing out how the Bengals made Burrow go thru August camps and injure his calf before they finally get his extension done, Hurts and Herbert were extended months prior to Burrow. Then you have Chase and Higgins, BOTH of them should have been extended at the 36 month timeline, 3 years after they signed their rookie deals, Higgins had to play on a franchise tag, Chase had to play on Year 4, as an example the Miami Dolphins extended Waddle in the same Draft class well before Chase, almost an entire year+

-Finally, and this one takes the cake. They put wording into rookie Shemar Stewart's deal that no other rookie had in their contract and now they have angered him to the point where he decides to RIP the front office a new one and says the leaders on that team support him...Burrow-Chase-Higgins-Hendrickson, they all must have told him you better get it up front or you won't get it.
The wording involves $$$ and Stewart not getting all his guaranteed money if the Bengals were to release him in Year 2-3-4 whenever...no other rookie was asked to do this

Shemar Stewart Calls Out Bengals Front Office As Contract Clash Continues

Cincinnati and its first-round pick are in a standoff.

www.si.com

SMH

-Traveling thru the Smokies, saw this unfold while I'm on the road and had to chime in
Good job Cincinnati!

Had the same thoughts to day, glad you bumped this. Bengals really screwing up their window by being so cheap.