Arian Foster (2 Viewers)

[hook014]

Based on what? They won 2 games last season. If Stafford stays healthy and starts 16 games he might lead the NFL in interceptions. They're lacking NFL talent in several areas and have no depth whatsoever. Not to mention the division they play in.

Of course, right now no one is predicting any team to finish 2-14 or 3-13, everything is rosey and optimistic. All the bottom dwellers have greatly improved themselves and surely won't be as bad as last season, right? The Lions have improved, the Browns have improved, the Rams have improved, the Chiefs have improved, the Raiders have improved, ect... same story, different year. Where are all those wins coming from?

The whole league isn't going to be 9-7 or 10-6, there will be some dominant teams who win 12-13 or more games. Subsequently, there will be a team this season who struggles to win three games, probably a couple to a few of them to be honest. Don't see any reason to believe the Lions won't again be one of the worst teams in the entire NFL. They're much likely to finish with 4 wins or less than they are to win more than 4 games.

Since I believe the over/under is 5 wins, there's somebody in Vegas who knows a lot more than you that would disagree.

Is that supposed to be a serious point?

The lines in Vegas simply reflect the general views of the betting public. That's what they're shaped and formed by.

Don't really get your point here. I could care less what the voting public thinks and how that's reflected in an over/under line.

The linesmaker doesn't take public perception into account, the bookmaker shifts lines to balance sides. At least that's what I remember being told, I'm not a big gambler. The point is you said they're much more likely to finish with 4 wins or less when in fact, they're more likely to finish with more.

Okay, I'm in this business and I want to take it easy on you but this is just wrong. You're right that the bookmaker wants to balance sides (for the most part) But he does it by measuring the public perception so you couldn't be more wrong there.

You say you're not a big gambler and that's obviously true. There are many websites and articles explaining the process of setting lines and they make for very interesting reading. Please spend a little downtime educating yourself so as not to destroy the credibility of your overall point, which may be a good one.

FTR as of today the line on Detroit is 5 wins, so that much was right. The public perception is that the Lions will finish with 5 wins so you can bet over 5 or under 5 and pay the juice each way.

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[HenryMuto]

I just fell into the Foster pit trap. I had 2 drafts tonight and drafted him twice both times in the 3rd round. Seems kinda high but that is where you have to take him if you want him now.

 

[Kai's Hero]

I would like to see a show of hands of many people are talking up Arian Foster without ever seeing him carry the ball. You are all going to be sorely disappointed.

Sorry you missed out on him in your draft(s).

Yeah, it's ok. I was targeting him for round 9 as my RB5 with RB3 upside but somebody took him in round 3 so I was left with Jahvid Best in round 3 as my RB2 with top 5 potential.

Best is a steal in round 3. He is this years Ray Rice.

Except he'll be hurt by week 6. The kids not durable enough to handle the load.

 

[cr8f]

I would like to see a show of hands of many people are talking up Arian Foster without ever seeing him carry the ball. You are all going to be sorely disappointed.

Sorry you missed out on him in your draft(s).

Yeah, it's ok. I was targeting him for round 9 as my RB5 with RB3 upside but somebody took him in round 3 so I was left with Jahvid Best in round 3 as my RB2 with top 5 potential.

Best is a steal in round 3. He is this years Ray Rice.

Except he'll be hurt by week 6. The kids not durable enough to handle the load.

The same was said about AP.

 

[cr8f]

I traded Slaton for Charles Woodson in one dynasty where I've held Foster on DTS. I was never even asked about trading Foster.

 

[ready5]

This thread seemed familiar to me, but I could not put my finger on it. Then I began substituting different names in for Foster. Names like Selvin Young, Ryan Torain, Quentin Griffin, Reuben Droughns, Mike Anderson... Now I know where I've seen this thread before.

Since when did the Texans play in Denver or have Shanny?

take a peek at kubiak's work history.

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

This thread seemed familiar to me, but I could not put my finger on it. Then I began substituting different names in for Foster. Names like Selvin Young, Ryan Torain, Quentin Griffin, Reuben Droughns, Mike Anderson... Now I know where I've seen this thread before.

Since when did the Texans play in Denver or have Shanny?

take a peek at kubiak's work history.

 

[humpback]

This thread seemed familiar to me, but I could not put my finger on it. Then I began substituting different names in for Foster. Names like Selvin Young, Ryan Torain, Quentin Griffin, Reuben Droughns, Mike Anderson... Now I know where I've seen this thread before.

Since when did the Texans play in Denver or have Shanny?

take a peek at kubiak's work history.

You should take a closer look yourselves- you might be surprised.

 

[Shutout]

This thread seemed familiar to me, but I could not put my finger on it. Then I began substituting different names in for Foster. Names like Selvin Young, Ryan Torain, Quentin Griffin, Reuben Droughns, Mike Anderson... Now I know where I've seen this thread before.

Since when did the Texans play in Denver or have Shanny?

take a peek at kubiak's work history.

You should take a closer look yourselves- you might be surprised.

Indeed. I think people trying to connect the dots may be surprised on this one. For people out there that have actually been following the Texans or had any interest in this situaiton prior to Foster coming on to the scene, those people KNOW that Foster represents exactly what Kubiak has been looking for (and has openely stated) for the past three years. Now he's got it and, just like all other RBs, Foster has to remain healthy and the coach has to use him correctly, but if those two things happen, you're looking at a top 15 FF RB in ppr leagues this year.

 

[Franknbeans]

Kubiak hates fumblers. Some of you haven't accounted for that.

 

[shnikies]

The linesmaker doesn't take public perception into account, the bookmaker shifts lines to balance sides. At least that's what I remember being told, I'm not a big gambler. The point is you said they're much more likely to finish with 4 wins or less when in fact, they're more likely to finish with more.

Okay, I'm in this business and I want to take it easy on you but this is just wrong. You're right that the bookmaker wants to balance sides (for the most part) But he does it by measuring the public perception so you couldn't be more wrong there.

You say you're not a big gambler and that's obviously true. There are many websites and articles explaining the process of setting lines and they make for very interesting reading. Please spend a little downtime educating yourself so as not to destroy the credibility of your overall point, which may be a good one.

FTR as of today the line on Detroit is 5 wins, so that much was right. The public perception is that the Lions will finish with 5 wins so you can bet over 5 or under 5 and pay the juice each way.

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I didn't say the bookmaker doesn't use public perception, I was saying the linesmaker doesn't. I thought the opening line is made without public perception and the bookmaker shifts after that using it? All I know is that I'd take a free half game on the over/under if someone said they'd give me 4.5 instead of 5.

 

[humpback]

Kubiak hates fumblers. Some of you haven't accounted for that.

What coach doesn't hate fumblers? Again, check the numbers- Slaton had 7 fumbles in 7+ games before he was pulled last season, to go along with a 3.3 ypc average. Those 7 fumbles tied for the league lead with AP, who had almost 200 more touches than Slaton. It's not like he was yanked after his first one.There's no denying that if Foster fumbles like crazy, he's probably going to lose his job. However, there's no reason to assume that's going to happen.

 

[Franknbeans]

Kubiak hates fumblers. Some of you haven't accounted for that.

What coach doesn't hate fumblers? Again, check the numbers- Slaton had 7 fumbles in 7+ games before he was pulled last season, to go along with a 3.3 ypc average. Those 7 fumbles tied for the league lead with AP, who had almost 200 more touches than Slaton. It's not like he was yanked after his first one.There's no denying that if Foster fumbles like crazy, he's probably going to lose his job. However, there's no reason to assume that's going to happen.

He was known to have fumbling issues in the past?

 

[PatsFanCT]

Kubiak hates fumblers. Some of you haven't accounted for that.

What coach doesn't hate fumblers? Again, check the numbers- Slaton had 7 fumbles in 7+ games before he was pulled last season, to go along with a 3.3 ypc average. Those 7 fumbles tied for the league lead with AP, who had almost 200 more touches than Slaton. It's not like he was yanked after his first one.There's no denying that if Foster fumbles like crazy, he's probably going to lose his job. However, there's no reason to assume that's going to happen.

He was known to have fumbling issues in the past?

So was Tiki Barber

 

[humpback]

Kubiak hates fumblers. Some of you haven't accounted for that.

What coach doesn't hate fumblers? Again, check the numbers- Slaton had 7 fumbles in 7+ games before he was pulled last season, to go along with a 3.3 ypc average. Those 7 fumbles tied for the league lead with AP, who had almost 200 more touches than Slaton. It's not like he was yanked after his first one.There's no denying that if Foster fumbles like crazy, he's probably going to lose his job. However, there's no reason to assume that's going to happen.

He was known to have fumbling issues in the past?

He was "known" to have fumbling issues, just like Kubiak is "known" to favor a RBBC or have a revolving door at RB, right?I don't mean to take it out on you, but so many people just hear something and assume it's a fact when it's really not.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Kubiak Every NFL coach hates fumblers. Some of you haven't accounted for that.

Fixed.

 

[ready5]

He was "known" to have fumbling issues, just like Kubiak is "known" to favor a RBBC or have a revolving door at RB, right?I don't mean to take it out on you, but so many people just hear something and assume it's a fact when it's really not.

he earned the nickname 'fumbling foster' for a reason -- although that certainly doesn't mean he hasn't gotten help since.and my opinion is that neither kubiak nor shanahan "favor" an RBBC, per se... but are much quicker than most coaches to rotate backs as the situation calls for it. whether foster will be kubiak's back for all situations depends on a host of factors, but the reality is he's probably on as short of a leash as slaton was.for fantasy purposes and especially in dynasty leagues, i'm content treating houston's running game like the new denver, at least for now.

 

[Thumper]

He was "known" to have fumbling issues, just like Kubiak is "known" to favor a RBBC or have a revolving door at RB, right?I don't mean to take it out on you, but so many people just hear something and assume it's a fact when it's really not.

he earned the nickname 'fumbling foster' for a reason -- although that certainly doesn't mean he hasn't gotten help since.and my opinion is that neither kubiak nor shanahan "favor" an RBBC, per se... but are much quicker than most coaches to rotate backs as the situation calls for it. whether foster will be kubiak's back for all situations depends on a host of factors, but the reality is he's probably on as short of a leash as slaton was.for fantasy purposes and especially in dynasty leagues, i'm content treating houston's running game like the new denver, at least for now.

Houston wants Foster to be the man. Besides that what are their options? Steve Slanton is little more than a scat back. Are they going to hand the keys over to Derrick Ward?Unless Foster is a disaster he will be the man in Houston and will put up big numbers.

 

[humpback]

He was "known" to have fumbling issues, just like Kubiak is "known" to favor a RBBC or have a revolving door at RB, right?I don't mean to take it out on you, but so many people just hear something and assume it's a fact when it's really not.

he earned the nickname 'fumbling foster' for a reason -- although that certainly doesn't mean he hasn't gotten help since.and my opinion is that neither kubiak nor shanahan "favor" an RBBC, per se... but are much quicker than most coaches to rotate backs as the situation calls for it. whether foster will be kubiak's back for all situations depends on a host of factors, but the reality is he's probably on as short of a leash as slaton was.for fantasy purposes and especially in dynasty leagues, i'm content treating houston's running game like the new denver, at least for now.

This is exactly my point- so because you read that his nickname was "Fumbling Foster", that must be the case then? He fumbled 11 times in his 4 year college career, but only lost 4 of them, on 650 carries and 83 receptions. Those aren't great numbers, but certainly not record breaking. A couple of them came at very inopportune times, that's why he got the nickname.As short of a leash as Slaton was? Again, Slaton wasn't pulled until he had 7 fumbles in his 8th game of the season, and he had a 3.3 ypc average on the season. That's a short leash? He was having a horrific year AND was injured. We can only hope Foster's leash is as "short" as that one.Sign me right up if Kubiak treats this running game like the new Denver- Terrell Davis averaged 336 carries and 38 receptions per season for his 4 year healthy career there. Clinton Portis did pretty darn well the 2 seasons he was there as well. There's such a big misconception about the Denver running game it's not even funny. They only rotate RBs when there are injuries or they don't have much talent there. If Foster turns out to be legit, he'll put up monster numbers in Houston. If not, he probably won't be long for the job, just like on any other team with any other coach.Again, I encourage people to take a peek at Kubiak's coaching history- it should make you excited IF Foster is legit.

 

[Mark Davis]

Foster is getting my start this week. I have Foster, Matthews, Moreno, and Felix Jones. Moreno's hammy is questionable so looking like Matthews and Foster.

 

[ready5]

Houston wants Foster to be the man. Besides that what are their options? Steve Slanton is little more than a scat back. Are they going to hand the keys over to Derrick Ward?Unless Foster is a disaster he will be the man in Houston and will put up big numbers.

perhaps. i think you're underestimating slaton and overestimating the length of foster's leash, but i guess we'll see. as a foster owner, i hope you're right.

 

[ready5]

This is exactly my point- so because you read that his nickname was "Fumbling Foster", that must be the case then?

nope. and are you always this confident in your assumptions? if so, it makes me wonder about the quality of your analysis below:

He fumbled 11 times in his 4 year college career, but only lost 4 of them, on 650 carries and 83 receptions. Those aren't great numbers, but certainly not record breaking. A couple of them came at very inopportune times, that's why he got the nickname.

As short of a leash as Slaton was? Again, Slaton wasn't pulled until he had 7 fumbles in his 8th game of the season, and he had a 3.3 ypc average on the season. That's a short leash? He was having a horrific year AND was injured. We can only hope Foster's leash is as "short" as that one.

Sign me right up if Kubiak treats this running game like the new Denver- Terrell Davis averaged 336 carries and 38 receptions per season for his 4 year healthy career there. Clinton Portis did pretty darn well the 2 seasons he was there as well. There's such a big misconception about the Denver running game it's not even funny. They only rotate RBs when there are injuries or they don't have much talent there. If Foster turns out to be legit, he'll put up monster numbers in Houston. If not, he probably won't be long for the job, just like on any other team with any other coach.

Again, I encourage people to take a peek at Kubiak's coaching history- it should make you excited IF Foster is legit.

understand that you're not really disagreeing with me here. i already pointed out that shanahan/kubiak don't necessarily favor an RBBC and no one is ignoring the likes of davis/portis/etc. the key question i was pointing to is the one you repeated above (in bold). you seem to be a bit more bullish about that 'IF' which is fine, but i'm still not seeing any arguments for specifically why. i'm also a foster fan, but i don't think it's prudent to dismiss slaton quite yet -- which seems to be where we differ (i.e. the underlined). if i agree with you that slaton is some afterthought, then i'd necessarily agree with pretty much everything else you said. and since we already agree about kubiak's coaching history, then i'm hoping you can see how my conclusion that foster will be on a shortened leash logically follows from my presupposition.

put differently -- why do you think slaton is such a non-factor here? regardless of how well foster is doing, kubiak will award carries to the best back, no? who says that won't be slaton by season's end? and what about 2011? i'm curious about those answers.

 

[We Tigers]

i'm also a foster fan, but i don't think it's prudent to dismiss slaton quite yet -- which seems to be where we differ (i.e. the underlined). if i agree with you that slaton is some afterthought, then i'd necessarily agree with pretty much everything else you said. and since we already agree about kubiak's coaching history, then i'm hoping you can see how my conclusion that foster will be on a shortened leash logically follows from my presupposition.

put differently -- why do you think slaton is such a non-factor here? regardless of how well foster is doing, kubiak will award carries to the best back, no? who says that won't be slaton by season's end? and what about 2011? i'm curious about those answers.

I'd think that Slaton fumbling recklessly, playing poorly last year, and coming off a significant surgery are big reasons for him being considered a non-factor. He also played poorly in the preseason (including another fumble--at the goal line!), had a turf toe injury last week, and, according to a few team reports, may be in the kick return rotation. Oh, and they drafted Ben Tate, who appeared to be ahead of Slaton on the depth chart before going to IR. Slaton has almost nothing in his favor in his case to be "the best back."

 

[humpback]

Ready, my post isn't so much about if Foster will be a stud or not, it's more about the misconceptions that I've heard over and over about him, Kubiak, etc. I don't think Slaton will factor in much at all due to a number of reasons- he was awful last year, he has been injured (including right now), he doesn't have the trust of the coaches, etc. I don't consider him to be a complete non-factor, but I don't think he's any more of a factor than any other 3rd down COP RB.

You said "take a peek at Kubiak's work history" and threw out the "fumbling foster" nickname. I just pointed out that perception doesn't equal reality in those cases. Kubiak has had HUGE RB seasons in the past, and he hasn't rotated RBs hardly at all when he has had good, healthy RBs. If Foster can prove to be one, he's in the ideal spot to succeed long term. If he's not, he's still more likely to be FF relevant short term than in most places. Kubiak is actually a big plus IMO.

All I'm saying is, his past fumbling issues are way overblown, and if he loses the job it won't be because of Kubiak screwing everyone over like a lot of people think. It will be because he just isn't up to the task, which is still entirely possible. No one has those answers yet, but I'm cautiously optimistic on Foster's chances.

 

[plyka]

The same was said about AP.

I love Best as much as the next guy, but I just do not see how he will become a successful running back in the NFL. He simply does not have the body type or the running style to become an everyday back. He reminds me most of Reggie Bush, although Bush was much quicker and could change speeds faster, although Best would absolutely smoke him in terms of speed. But they both have that frame that truly cannot handle any more weight. In the NFL each defender, no matter his position, is a speedster. This isn't college ball. I just don't see ANYONE being able to run around defenses, like Best will attempt to do. I've said this before, but Spiller has a much higher likelyhood of success because he is more solid and can break tackles, take punishment inside the tackles.I'm hoping Best does great, since I was a huge fan of his at Cal, but i just don't see it. Foster on the other hand is completely different. He doesn't have Best's speed, elusiveness, or anything of the sort. But the kid is solid, and fits the typical NFL back criteria. I think that Foster will be much more successful than Best, especially this year.

 

[plyka]

Kubiak hates fumblers. Some of you haven't accounted for that.

As opposed to Bill Parcell's who loves fumbles...err, wait, that was Bellicheck? No wait a second...which coach loves, or forget that, just doesn't hate, fumbles?

 

[ready5]

put differently -- why do you think slaton is such a non-factor here? regardless of how well foster is doing, kubiak will award carries to the best back, no? who says that won't be slaton by season's end? and what about 2011? i'm curious about those answers.

I'd think that Slaton fumbling recklessly, playing poorly last year, and coming off a significant surgery are big reasons for him being considered a non-factor. He also played poorly in the preseason (including another fumble--at the goal line!), had a turf toe injury last week, and, according to a few team reports, may be in the kick return rotation. Oh, and they drafted Ben Tate, who appeared to be ahead of Slaton on the depth chart before going to IR. Slaton has almost nothing in his favor in his case to be "the best back."

all good points, although now we can wonder what would happen to foster if he also started fumbling recklessly or playing poorly. tate is obviously not a factor until 2011 (but that's why i wondered about next season) and slaton will be hampered by his turf toe long after he returns to the field (another reason why i wondered about next season), but theoretically slaton and now ward will both be hungry for some redemption (i wouldn't know since i don't know their temperament).my point is that if (and there's that 'if' again) foster stumbles (which i don't expect him to do), then i expect kubiak to quickly shift to an RBBC and stay there until a back (which could be foster again) definitively emerges. yes, this is what most coaches would do -- i'm just saying that kubiak's history tells us he'll be quicker to pull the trigger, thus foster is on a relatively shorter leash. the lack of depth behind foster is certainly a factor in his favor, but i still don't see it as the deciding factor here (just my opinion).

 

[ponchsox]

A Houston Texans beat writer reported on NFL Network that Foster is expected to get 20 touches vs the Colts.

 

[ready5]

Ready, my post isn't so much about if Foster will be a stud or not, it's more about the misconceptions that I've heard over and over about him, Kubiak, etc. I don't think Slaton will factor in much at all due to a number of reasons- he was awful last year, he has been injured (including right now), he doesn't have the trust of the coaches, etc. I don't consider him to be a complete non-factor, but I don't think he's any more of a factor than any other 3rd down COP RB.You said "take a peek at Kubiak's work history" and threw out the "fumbling foster" nickname. I just pointed out that perception doesn't equal reality in those cases. Kubiak has had HUGE RB seasons in the past, and he hasn't rotated RBs hardly at all when he has had good, healthy RBs. If Foster can prove to be one, he's in the ideal spot to succeed long term. If he's not, he's still more likely to be FF relevant short term than in most places. Kubiak is actually a big plus IMO.All I'm saying is, his past fumbling issues are way overblown, and if he loses the job it won't be because of Kubiak screwing everyone over like a lot of people think. It will be because he just isn't up to the task, which is still entirely possible. No one has those answers yet, but I'm cautiously optimistic on Foster's chances.

well, the only reason why i mentioned kubiak's work history was in response to someone who didn't get the denver connection... and the only reason why i mentioned foster's nickname was because it seemed people were just dismissing his fumbling issues out of hand.and yes, we agree that it's foster's job to lose and that kubiak has in the past singled out workhorses and fed them all day long. there are indeed a lot of misconceptions and short-term memories about denver's (and now houston's) running game, but i think most people here would agree that foster only has to be consistently decent to post huge numbers in the texans' offense this year. and barring complete failure or injury, even some struggles or fumbling issues would likely only demote him so far... he'd still likely be the first back in an RBBC, which means he'd still have upside in an offense like houston's.so i'm also cautiously optimistic about foster's chances, but the caution stems from my opinion that foster's leash is only so long and that most any RBBC scenario would likely be fairly permanent for the rest of this season. and next season, i see us going through this dance yet again.

 

[GregR_2]

i'm also a foster fan, but i don't think it's prudent to dismiss slaton quite yet -- which seems to be where we differ (i.e. the underlined). if i agree with you that slaton is some afterthought, then i'd necessarily agree with pretty much everything else you said. and since we already agree about kubiak's coaching history, then i'm hoping you can see how my conclusion that foster will be on a shortened leash logically follows from my presupposition.

put differently -- why do you think slaton is such a non-factor here? regardless of how well foster is doing, kubiak will award carries to the best back, no? who says that won't be slaton by season's end? and what about 2011? i'm curious about those answers.

I'd think that Slaton fumbling recklessly, playing poorly last year, and coming off a significant surgery are big reasons for him being considered a non-factor. He also played poorly in the preseason (including another fumble--at the goal line!), had a turf toe injury last week, and, according to a few team reports, may be in the kick return rotation. Oh, and they drafted Ben Tate, who appeared to be ahead of Slaton on the depth chart before going to IR. Slaton has almost nothing in his favor in his case to be "the best back."

Where did you get that impression?

 

[Nightly Mistake]

Week 1 predictions, at home vs. Indy?

 

[thehornet]

You better hope that he isn't fantasy gold because I think that gold is poised to take a bit hit and not be nearly the investment vehicle it has been for the past several years which would end up meaning that Foster would also not be a good investment using the theory of anaologies.

Woah!!!! You just blew my mind with this. What a spot on posting this is.

spot on to what? Gold is one of the most basic safe investments in the world and it always has been. Every year commodity analysts say gold is going to take a hit and every single year it rises. Right now, gold is hovering just below $1300 per ounce which is it's highest ever peak value. It is widely considered a safe bet when hedging against market fluctuations and cyclical economic static (such as what we are going through right now). Right now, as always, gold is an excellent short term investment and could also pay extremely nice dividends at a fraction of the cost for a secure long term investment. A supporter of Foster can deduce that gold as an analogy is in essence a glowing forecast. Thanks.

 

[Nightly Mistake]

You better hope that he isn't fantasy gold because I think that gold is poised to take a bit hit and not be nearly the investment vehicle it has been for the past several years which would end up meaning that Foster would also not be a good investment using the theory of anaologies.

Woah!!!! You just blew my mind with this. What a spot on posting this is.

spot on to what? Gold is one of the most basic safe investments in the world and it always has been. Every year commodity analysts say gold is going to take a hit and every single year it rises. Right now, gold is hovering just below $1300 per ounce which is it's highest ever peak value. It is widely considered a safe bet when hedging against market fluctuations and cyclical economic static (such as what we are going through right now). Right now, as always, gold is an excellent short term investment and could also pay extremely nice dividends at a fraction of the cost for a secure long term investment. A supporter of Foster can deduce that gold as an analogy is in essence a glowing forecast. Thanks.

We can also assume that BGP is buying him in all of his leagues.

 

[Kenny Powers]

A Houston Texans beat writer reported on NFL Network that Foster is expected to get 20 touches vs the Colts.

Considering how much Schaub has been targetting him in this passing game, Im expecting more like 25-28 touches

 

[Franknbeans]

Kubiak hates fumblers. Some of you haven't accounted for that.

As opposed to Bill Parcell's who loves fumbles...err, wait, that was Bellicheck? No wait a second...which coach loves, or forget that, just doesn't hate, fumbles?

funny. My point is I hope all you Foster owners are prepared to watch him ride the pine if he coughs up the ball...

 

[SYMPHONY X]

Kubiak hates fumblers. Some of you haven't accounted for that.

As opposed to Bill Parcell's who loves fumbles...err, wait, that was Bellicheck? No wait a second...which coach loves, or forget that, just doesn't hate, fumbles?

funny. My point is I hope all you Foster owners are prepared to watch him ride the pine if he coughs up the ball...

As a Foster owner in one league, I will be absolutely giddy if he get's through this 1st game against Indy with only one fumble. Bob "the human missle" Sanders will be launching himself directly into the ball that is in Foster's mitts all game long. Only one fumble from Foster in this game would be considered a huge success. ***Disclaimer..In this scenario, I have to assume that Sanders doesn't go on IR at any point before or during this game, which puts me at a huge risk of making an ### outta u and me.***

 

[humpback]

Kubiak hates fumblers. Some of you haven't accounted for that.

As opposed to Bill Parcell's who loves fumbles...err, wait, that was Bellicheck? No wait a second...which coach loves, or forget that, just doesn't hate, fumbles?

funny. My point is I hope all you Foster owners are prepared to watch him ride the pine if he coughs up the ball...

Based on what exactly? Specifics would be nice...

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Put me on the Foster bandwagon. Drafted him last night. 10 Team league, third round, picking 9th, serpentine.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Kubiak hates fumblers. Some of you haven't accounted for that.

As opposed to Bill Parcell's who loves fumbles...err, wait, that was Bellicheck? No wait a second...which coach loves, or forget that, just doesn't hate, fumbles?

funny. My point is I hope all you Foster owners are prepared to watch him ride the pine if he coughs up the ball...

Based on what exactly? Specifics would be nice...

Foster was shown earlier in the thread to have a worse history of fumbling than Slaton, and Slaton had been benched for fumbling after doing some nice things with the ball in his hand... So, if Foster's fumbling problem resurfaces, he'll likely be benched.Now mind you, Slaton's fumbles in the red zone are serious problem. You don't want to fumble, but if it's going to happen, better not be in the red zone, or when the game is on the line. That may be the more frustrating thing for Kubiak, or the deciding factor in benching Slaton.

 

[humpback]

Kubiak hates fumblers. Some of you haven't accounted for that.

As opposed to Bill Parcell's who loves fumbles...err, wait, that was Bellicheck? No wait a second...which coach loves, or forget that, just doesn't hate, fumbles?

funny. My point is I hope all you Foster owners are prepared to watch him ride the pine if he coughs up the ball...

Based on what exactly? Specifics would be nice...

Foster was shown earlier in the thread to have a worse history of fumbling than Slaton, and Slaton had been benched for fumbling after doing some nice things with the ball in his hand... So, if Foster's fumbling problem resurfaces, he'll likely be benched.

Now mind you, Slaton's fumbles in the red zone are serious problem. You don't want to fumble, but if it's going to happen, better not be in the red zone, or when the game is on the line. That may be the more frustrating thing for Kubiak, or the deciding factor in benching Slaton.

Foster was not shown to have a worse history of fumbling than Slaton, and Slaton was only benched after having a horrific 1/2 season on top of being on pace to set a record for RB fumbles in a season AND being injured. Foster averaged just under 3 fumbles per season, with 1 lost per season, in his college career. It wasn't nearly as bad as people assume.Terrell Davis fumbled 5 times his rookie season, 5 times his second season, 4 times his 3rd season (and 4 more in that postseason), and he kept his job. Clinton Portis fumbled 4 times in the pre-season and 5 more in the regular season his rookie year, he did okay. Another misconception that Kubiak is going to yank a guy right away if he fumbles.

It all comes down to how Foster performs- if he does well, he will be given a longer leash in case he fumbles. If he stinks up the joint AND fumbles, then he will probably be pulled. That's no different than any other RB in any other situation however. Being with Kubiak in Houston is a good thing for Foster, unlike what most people assume.

 

[Queso Viejo]

I'm a Foster owner and Texans season ticket holder and I'm a little concerned about the fumbling, but I think he has a longer hook then some are thinking.

When he gets in space or in one on one with a defender he tends to let the ball get away from his body which makes it easier to punch out. This happened last year in the infamous St. Louis game where the ball was punched out from behind as he was running down the slideline. It also happened in the New Orleans preseason game when he was one on one in the backfield and he tried to juke the defender and the ball got punched out. However, running in traffic, he does a good job securing the ball.

An interesting thing that jumped out at me was the fumble in the Saints preseason game. If Kubiak had him on a short leash, he would normally have replaced him with Slaton on the next series. Instead, Foster was right back out there with the starters on the next series. For me, that was very telling. Of course, later in the first half Slaton fumbled on the goal line.

Everthing I've seen, Foster is going to be the bell cow and Slaton is the change of pace back.

 

[Lobary]

Kubiak hates fumblers. Some of you haven't accounted for that.

Yes, he does. However, Foster does not have an NFL resume that screams "fumbler." He's fumbled exactly one time in a game that counted. Apparently some of you haven't accounted for that.

 

[shnikies]

Kubiak hates fumblers. Some of you haven't accounted for that.

Yes, he does. However, Foster does not have an NFL resume that screams "fumbler." He's fumbled exactly one time in a game that counted. Apparently some of you haven't accounted for that.

He also only touched the ball 62 times which isn't the best fumbles to touches ratio. I'm not saying he's a fumbler though. if you're new to this thread, whatever you post probably has already been said. So, I'd hold off on saying anything else until after the Texans actually play a game at least.

 

[Franknbeans]

Kubiak hates fumblers. Some of you haven't accounted for that.

As opposed to Bill Parcell's who loves fumbles...err, wait, that was Bellicheck? No wait a second...which coach loves, or forget that, just doesn't hate, fumbles?

funny. My point is I hope all you Foster owners are prepared to watch him ride the pine if he coughs up the ball...

Based on what exactly? Specifics would be nice...

Based on Kubiak. Personally, I think Kubiak botched his handling of Slaton last year. I am not commenting on who fumbles more only that if Foster fumbles, I wouldn't expect a long leash. I know, I watched last season as Slaton fumbled and then sat for 3+ quarters. Me no likey Kubiak.

 

[RUSF18]

Week 1 predictions, at home vs. Indy?

First numbers to pop into my head were 18 carries, 92 yards, with 4 receptions for 20 yards. 80% shot at a TD. Starting him over Forte at RB2.

 

[Lobary]

I know, I watched last season as Slaton fumbled and then sat for 3+ quarters. Me no likey Kubiak.

Was this after you traded for him in week 6 or so, because he had an awfully long leash up until the mid point of the season. He'd fumbled in six of the Texans first eight games and still continued to get ample touches. It wasn't until the Buffalo game in week 8 that Slaton's role in the offense changed dramatically.

 

[Franknbeans]

I know, I watched last season as Slaton fumbled and then sat for 3+ quarters. Me no likey Kubiak.

Was this after you traded for him in week 6 or so, because he had an awfully long leash up until the mid point of the season. He'd fumbled in six of the Texans first eight games and still continued to get ample touches. It wasn't until the Buffalo game in week 8 that Slaton's role in the offense changed dramatically.

No, I had him all season long. Kubiak is the suck.

 

[humpback]

I know, I watched last season as Slaton fumbled and then sat for 3+ quarters. Me no likey Kubiak.

Was this after you traded for him in week 6 or so, because he had an awfully long leash up until the mid point of the season. He'd fumbled in six of the Texans first eight games and still continued to get ample touches. It wasn't until the Buffalo game in week 8 that Slaton's role in the offense changed dramatically.

No, I had him all season long. Kubiak is the suck.

Yeah, how dare he bench a RB who was averaging 3.1 ypc with 2 rushing TDs after 7 games who just fumbled for the 7th time. He really is the suck!

 

[Lobary]

I know, I watched last season as Slaton fumbled and then sat for 3+ quarters. Me no likey Kubiak.

Was this after you traded for him in week 6 or so, because he had an awfully long leash up until the mid point of the season. He'd fumbled in six of the Texans first eight games and still continued to get ample touches. It wasn't until the Buffalo game in week 8 that Slaton's role in the offense changed dramatically.

No, I had him all season long. Kubiak is the suck.

I'm a Texans fan on record as being a big supporter of Slaton. I traded for him in my ppr league last year, drafted him late the previous year and he was good to me overall despite his troubles holding on to the football. I still believe in the guy, but his toe injury (not to mention his fused neck) kept me from reaching for him as a Foster handcuff. Kubiak gave Slaton a ton of chances last year and did not bench him basically until the middle of the season. You can pretend otherwise, but that is a fact. I do not believe that Kubiak wants to play musical chairs with his running backs, which is why I am convinced that Foster is the man and will continue to be the man unless he gets hurt.

 

[Franknbeans]

I know, I watched last season as Slaton fumbled and then sat for 3+ quarters. Me no likey Kubiak.

Was this after you traded for him in week 6 or so, because he had an awfully long leash up until the mid point of the season. He'd fumbled in six of the Texans first eight games and still continued to get ample touches. It wasn't until the Buffalo game in week 8 that Slaton's role in the offense changed dramatically.

No, I had him all season long. Kubiak is the suck.

I'm a Texans fan on record as being a big supporter of Slaton. I traded for him in my ppr league last year, drafted him late the previous year and he was good to me overall despite his troubles holding on to the football. I still believe in the guy, but his toe injury (not to mention his fused neck) kept me from reaching for him as a Foster handcuff. Kubiak gave Slaton a ton of chances last year and did not bench him basically until the middle of the season. You can pretend otherwise, but that is a fact. I do not believe that Kubiak wants to play musical chairs with his running backs, which is why I am convinced that Foster is the man and will continue to be the man unless he gets hurt.

or fumbles