I do read a lot of that stuff and find some of it interesting. I worked in self defense and we did learn a lot from those shootings. I was involved in a reenactment of the pulse club shooting and it was terrifying. Biggest thing I learned at these seminars was I don't ever want to be involved in a mass shooting. It's more insane than the general public realizes.General Malaise said:Okay, well you wait on baited breath to read this guy's diary before you judge him. Maybe he has all sorts of entries that could prevent domestic violence and murder in the future.
But if it's okay with you, I'm going to finalize my opinion on Brian Laundrie. He was man who abused his girlfriend before he killed her, then fled away like a little coward before killing himself. I'm entitled to that opinion just like you're entitled to form your own opinion.
Can I ask you this? Did you read the manifesto of Dylan Roof or the Las Vegas Shooter? How about the Santa Barbara mass murderer? Did you read their thoughts in full? What did you glean? What did you learn? Did those prevent more mass murders? What about Brian Laundrie will you read that stops another murder?
The publicity it received gives the perception it means more. I am equally intrigued with the missing person posters in Walmart. I always read them and look at the pictures. They are so disturbing and there is so many of them.General Malaise said:I disagree completely. People go missing every day. Why did this one mean so much more?
this was more than publicity, it was viral on social media. I’ve read posts where women have said they wish it was them that Brian killed so that Gabie would still be alive.The publicity it received gives the perception it means more. I am equally intrigued with the missing person posters in Walmart. I always read them and look at the pictures. They are so disturbing and there is so many of them.![]()
I do read a lot of that stuff and find some of it interesting. I worked in self defense and we did learn a lot from those shootings. I was involved in a reenactment of the pulse club shooting and it was terrifying. Biggest thing I learned at these seminars was I don't ever want to be involved in a mass shooting. It's more insane than the general public realizes.
I also do think those manifestos have helped law enforcement prevent some of these things. Obviously it is no where near perfect but we have to try. At least I think trying is the right thing to do.
You finalizing your opinion on him is fine with me. Not that I ever felt you needed my ok, but you asked?
I have not followed this case as close as others so I don't have enough info. Obviously if he choked her which is very personal something was wrong with him. I am not sure about the stuff I have heard about abuse. I don't know where that came from other than the people who saw them arguing and that seemed sketchy.
I will make this confession. When this first started I watched the entire police stop video. At the end of that and not knowing what we know now I was suspicious of her more than him. Admitting that now makes me wonder if that is ingrained misogyny? or wht??? ( I am kind of hoping he was not what everyone is saying but that is stupid ego giving me those feelings)
Anyway of course your entitled to your opinion. Walk in Peace my friend.
Another reminder of the quiet bliss that comes for those who have quit social media…this was more than publicity, it was viral on social media. I’ve read posts where women have said they wish it was them that Brian killed so that Gabie would still be alive.
I agree. Deleting Facebook is one of the best things I have done recently. So much time saved, less aggravation, and I really felt it was making me dumber. It has been about 2 years now and I do not miss it at all. Now I think it's funny the stupid excuses I would come up with to keep it. None of them were true.Another reminder of the quiet bliss that comes for those who have quit social media…
(unless it was someone with a terminal medical condition, in which case it would be fully logical)
I agree. Deleting Facebook is one of the best things I have done recently. So much time saved, less aggravation, and I really felt it was making me dumber. It has been about 2 years now and I do not miss it at all. Now I think it's funny the stupid excuses I would come up with to keep it. None of them were true.
I still have it, just don't ever look at it unless my wife posts something and tags me (usually kid related).I agree. Deleting Facebook is one of the best things I have done recently. So much time saved, less aggravation, and I really felt it was making me dumber. It has been about 2 years now and I do not miss it at all. Now I think it's funny the stupid excuses I would come up with to keep it. None of them were true.
this has been blissfully free from my news feed for a long while.So how long is the media going to flog this concluded story?
Probably until @Capella concludes the manhunt in the title of this thread.So how long is the media going to flog this concluded story?
So how long is the media going to flog this concluded story?
only thing remaining from this sordid thing.did they ever tell us what was in the notebook that is what they will probably continue to wonder about take that to the bank brohans
There's no real news -- a lot of rehashing the same stuff over and over. Yesterday's news can become today's news -- and even tomorrow's news -- if you just keep cranking out warmed-over headlines.
Lol I had several thread titles that ranged along the lines of local alligator calls wife to tell her he’s not having dinner after a big lunch, but all would have resulted in an extended TO.
Yep, wife and I watched it. It was paced well and was a decent watch.Did anyone watch American Murder on Netflix? It's a 3 episode documentary on this whole Gabby Petito story.
It was pretty interesting because they were travel vloggers, so there was lots of footage from the days leading up to the murder that hadn't really been seen before that they showed in the show.
Agree - well done, and plenty of "new" info, even for someone who followed the case live as it unfolded.Yep, wife and I watched it. It was paced well and was a decent watch.Did anyone watch American Murder on Netflix? It's a 3 episode documentary on this whole Gabby Petito story.
It was pretty interesting because they were travel vloggers, so there was lots of footage from the days leading up to the murder that hadn't really been seen before that they showed in the show.
Watched it. Horrible story. I was driving through Moab like a week before they were there.Did anyone watch American Murder on Netflix? It's a 3 episode documentary on this whole Gabby Petito story.
It was pretty interesting because they were travel vloggers, so there was lots of footage from the days leading up to the murder that hadn't really been seen before that they showed in the show.
his parents ought to be strung up take that to the bank bromigos
i would tell my son to turn himself in and to tell the truth and to cooperate and do everything he can to to try to avoid the death penalty or life without parole so that someday maybe only when he is an old man he can at least try to repent reform and have some bit of freedome again and then i would tell the truth especially to the parents of the girl my son killed is what i would do and then i would pray a lot take that to the bank brohanhis parents ought to be strung up take that to the bank bromigos
When I watched the first contact with them where they basically lawyered up and refused to say more, I thought the same thing...but I will say, the more I thought about it, how would you act if your son came to you and confessed to killing his girlfriend? I feel like you're going to try and protect them - not make a claim of their innocence, but you'd lawyer up and try and protect them as best you can given the known circumstances.
his parents ought to be strung up take that to the bank bromigos
When I watched the first contact with them where they basically lawyered up and refused to say more, I thought the same thing...but I will say, the more I thought about it, how would you act if your son came to you and confessed to killing his girlfriend? I feel like you're going to try and protect them - not make a claim of their innocence, but you'd lawyer up and try and protect them as best you can given the known circumstances.
Yes, the burn after reading letter was known about a while ago.his parents ought to be strung up take that to the bank bromigos
When I watched the first contact with them where they basically lawyered up and refused to say more, I thought the same thing...but I will say, the more I thought about it, how would you act if your son came to you and confessed to killing his girlfriend? I feel like you're going to try and protect them - not make a claim of their innocence, but you'd lawyer up and try and protect them as best you can given the known circumstances.
The burn after reading letter and the call logs made it clear they knew what happened very very early. Basically right away. I'm not sure if that letter was released prior to the Netflix show but that was new to me.
I don't disagree with the final outcome - but I also think that you do need to consult someone even if the ultimate goal is turning yourself in...I believe capital punishment could have been on the table. Just making it 100% clear - I'm not siding with them, but if I put myself in their shoes, he's still my kid. I'm not covering for him or professing his innocence - but I will make sure he knows his options, etc.i would tell my son to turn himself in and to tell the truth and to cooperate and do everything he can to to try to avoid the death penalty or life without parole so that someday maybe only when he is an old man he can at least try to repent reform and have some bit of freedome again and then i would tell the truth especially to the parents of the girl my son killed is what i would do and then i would pray a lot take that to the bank brohanhis parents ought to be strung up take that to the bank bromigos
When I watched the first contact with them where they basically lawyered up and refused to say more, I thought the same thing...but I will say, the more I thought about it, how would you act if your son came to you and confessed to killing his girlfriend? I feel like you're going to try and protect them - not make a claim of their innocence, but you'd lawyer up and try and protect them as best you can given the known circumstances.
Go on...Yes, the burn after reading letter was known about a while ago.his parents ought to be strung up take that to the bank bromigos
When I watched the first contact with them where they basically lawyered up and refused to say more, I thought the same thing...but I will say, the more I thought about it, how would you act if your son came to you and confessed to killing his girlfriend? I feel like you're going to try and protect them - not make a claim of their innocence, but you'd lawyer up and try and protect them as best you can given the known circumstances.
The burn after reading letter and the call logs made it clear they knew what happened very very early. Basically right away. I'm not sure if that letter was released prior to the Netflix show but that was new to me.
I don't think Brian Laundrie is dead, but that's a whole other discussion.
Yes, the burn after reading letter was known about a while ago.his parents ought to be strung up take that to the bank bromigos
When I watched the first contact with them where they basically lawyered up and refused to say more, I thought the same thing...but I will say, the more I thought about it, how would you act if your son came to you and confessed to killing his girlfriend? I feel like you're going to try and protect them - not make a claim of their innocence, but you'd lawyer up and try and protect them as best you can given the known circumstances.
The burn after reading letter and the call logs made it clear they knew what happened very very early. Basically right away. I'm not sure if that letter was released prior to the Netflix show but that was new to me.
I don't think Brian Laundrie is dead, but that's a whole other discussion.
Ahhh, so the Fletch conspiracy theory.Brian's patents paid $25k for the lawyer who never had to go to court to defend Brian...$25k for a lawyer to do nothing but make statements to the media? I don't buy it. $25k can buy a new identity, and things like dental records can be bought/faked. And who knows how much more they paid the lawyer after that initial $25k. Now, I know that multiple agencies were involved and it'd be tough to pull off a fake death, but everyone has their price. And the FBI surely wouldn't want to admit that he got away while they supposedly knew where he was and had the house under surveillance.
The fact that the fatal head wound shot to Brian's head was on the left side, but he was right handed. Sure, he could've used his left, but why? This might be a stretch, but Brian could have found someone similar in size (homeless? Junkie?), killed them, and left the body where they found it. Now, that wouldn't explain why the search teams couldn't find the remains, but very little of this case makes sense.
/conspiracy
Honestly, they followed solid legal advice here. Rare time seeing them do it "correctly."*his parents ought to be strung up take that to the bank bromigos
When I watched the first contact with them where they basically lawyered up and refused to say more, I thought the same thing...but I will say, the more I thought about it, how would you act if your son came to you and confessed to killing his girlfriend? I feel like you're going to try and protect them - not make a claim of their innocence, but you'd lawyer up and try and protect them as best you can given the known circumstances.
wingnut indeedThe whole thing reeks. I don't think he was at the parents house when everyone thought he was. Nobody saw him there and theres no way he could have left without being seen, especially with the crowds and the surveillance cameras that were set up. They had a plan from the get go and Brian was never there IMO. I work in/near North Port a couple times a month and drove by the Laundrie house when all this was going down. Even at 2am it was mayhem. Dozens of people with signs, several police cars, media trucks/vans parked on both sides of the street....nobody was getting in or out of that house without being seen.
The parents visited the state park before they miraculously found a bag of Brian's belongings in like 30 minutes after search teams combed the area for weeks. Could have easily planted whatever they wanted in the spot they found that bag.
Brian's patents paid $25k for the lawyer who never had to go to court to defend Brian...$25k for a lawyer to do nothing but make statements to the media? I don't buy it. $25k can buy a new identity, and things like dental records can be bought/faked. And who knows how much more they paid the lawyer after that initial $25k. Now, I know that multiple agencies were involved and it'd be tough to pull off a fake death, but everyone has their price. And the FBI surely wouldn't want to admit that he got away while they supposedly knew where he was and had the house under surveillance.
The fact that the fatal head wound shot to Brian's head was on the left side, but he was right handed. Sure, he could've used his left, but why? This might be a stretch, but Brian could have found someone similar in size (homeless? Junkie?), killed them, and left the body where they found it. Now, that wouldn't explain why the search teams couldn't find the remains, but very little of this case makes sense.
Then there was the report that after his remains were found, Brian supposedly accidentally went live on IG for like 5 seconds, and it appeared he might have been on a boat. No idea if it's true, but it adds to the narrative that he's not dead.
The family never had a funeral or service for him. Now, I get that maybe they didn't want a spectacle with media and crazy people showing up, but they didn't even have a private one. I can't imagine a mother not having a service for her dead son, regardless of the circumstances.
There were more things, but those are off the top of my head. Just a weird case with a strange timeline of events and 'facts' that don't add up.
/conspiracy
If I received a call from parents with a son in Brian's position, I'm charging at least $25k up front so that number doesn't seem odd or unreasonable to me at all. In my state, should Brian/hypothetical client have killed himself, then my ethical obligation would be to perform a "fee look back" to determine whether the $25k could be justified. If not, I'll usually work with the client to ensure my time is fairly compensated and anything unearned is returned. This wouldn't be something that would go public as it is just between the lawyer and the client and his payors. In short, nothing about hiring the lawyer and what we heard about in the documentary raised any sort of red flag or oddities.Brian's patents paid $25k for the lawyer who never had to go to court to defend Brian...$25k for a lawyer to do nothing but make statements to the media? I don't buy it. $25k can buy a new identity, and things like dental records can be bought/faked. And who knows how much more they paid the lawyer after that initial $25k. Now, I know that multiple agencies were involved and it'd be tough to pull off a fake death, but everyone has their price. And the FBI surely wouldn't want to admit that he got away while they supposedly knew where he was and had the house under surveillance.
/conspiracy
Ignore my post immediately after this one. Moops summed it up way better.wingnut indeedThe whole thing reeks. I don't think he was at the parents house when everyone thought he was. Nobody saw him there and theres no way he could have left without being seen, especially with the crowds and the surveillance cameras that were set up. They had a plan from the get go and Brian was never there IMO. I work in/near North Port a couple times a month and drove by the Laundrie house when all this was going down. Even at 2am it was mayhem. Dozens of people with signs, several police cars, media trucks/vans parked on both sides of the street....nobody was getting in or out of that house without being seen.
The parents visited the state park before they miraculously found a bag of Brian's belongings in like 30 minutes after search teams combed the area for weeks. Could have easily planted whatever they wanted in the spot they found that bag.
Brian's patents paid $25k for the lawyer who never had to go to court to defend Brian...$25k for a lawyer to do nothing but make statements to the media? I don't buy it. $25k can buy a new identity, and things like dental records can be bought/faked. And who knows how much more they paid the lawyer after that initial $25k. Now, I know that multiple agencies were involved and it'd be tough to pull off a fake death, but everyone has their price. And the FBI surely wouldn't want to admit that he got away while they supposedly knew where he was and had the house under surveillance.
The fact that the fatal head wound shot to Brian's head was on the left side, but he was right handed. Sure, he could've used his left, but why? This might be a stretch, but Brian could have found someone similar in size (homeless? Junkie?), killed them, and left the body where they found it. Now, that wouldn't explain why the search teams couldn't find the remains, but very little of this case makes sense.
Then there was the report that after his remains were found, Brian supposedly accidentally went live on IG for like 5 seconds, and it appeared he might have been on a boat. No idea if it's true, but it adds to the narrative that he's not dead.
The family never had a funeral or service for him. Now, I get that maybe they didn't want a spectacle with media and crazy people showing up, but they didn't even have a private one. I can't imagine a mother not having a service for her dead son, regardless of the circumstances.
There were more things, but those are off the top of my head. Just a weird case with a strange timeline of events and 'facts' that don't add up.
/conspiracy
The good ones do.If I received a call from parents with a son in Brian's position, I'm charging at least $25k up front so that number doesn't seem odd or unreasonable to me at all. In my state, should Brian/hypothetical client have killed himself, then my ethical obligation would be to perform a "fee look back" to determine whether the $25k could be justified. If not, I'll usually work with the client to ensure my time is fairly compensated and anything unearned is returned. This wouldn't be something that would go public as it is just between the lawyer and the client and his payors. In short, nothing about hiring the lawyer and what we heard about in the documentary raised any sort of red flag or oddities.Brian's patents paid $25k for the lawyer who never had to go to court to defend Brian...$25k for a lawyer to do nothing but make statements to the media? I don't buy it. $25k can buy a new identity, and things like dental records can be bought/faked. And who knows how much more they paid the lawyer after that initial $25k. Now, I know that multiple agencies were involved and it'd be tough to pull off a fake death, but everyone has their price. And the FBI surely wouldn't want to admit that he got away while they supposedly knew where he was and had the house under surveillance.
/conspiracy
Also, criminal defense attorneys don't buy new identities, generate fake dental records, or buy off FBI agents. That's silly movie-type stuff.
To quote Jesse PinkmanIf I received a call from parents with a son in Brian's position, I'm charging at least $25k up front so that number doesn't seem odd or unreasonable to me at all. In my state, should Brian/hypothetical client have killed himself, then my ethical obligation would be to perform a "fee look back" to determine whether the $25k could be justified. If not, I'll usually work with the client to ensure my time is fairly compensated and anything unearned is returned. This wouldn't be something that would go public as it is just between the lawyer and the client and his payors. In short, nothing about hiring the lawyer and what we heard about in the documentary raised any sort of red flag or oddities.Brian's patents paid $25k for the lawyer who never had to go to court to defend Brian...$25k for a lawyer to do nothing but make statements to the media? I don't buy it. $25k can buy a new identity, and things like dental records can be bought/faked. And who knows how much more they paid the lawyer after that initial $25k. Now, I know that multiple agencies were involved and it'd be tough to pull off a fake death, but everyone has their price. And the FBI surely wouldn't want to admit that he got away while they supposedly knew where he was and had the house under surveillance.
/conspiracy
Also, criminal defense attorneys don't buy new identities, generate fake dental records, or buy off FBI agents. That's silly movie-type stuff.
Exactly something someone who buys new identities, generates fake dental records or buys off FBI agents would say.If I received a call from parents with a son in Brian's position, I'm charging at least $25k up front so that number doesn't seem odd or unreasonable to me at all. In my state, should Brian/hypothetical client have killed himself, then my ethical obligation would be to perform a "fee look back" to determine whether the $25k could be justified. If not, I'll usually work with the client to ensure my time is fairly compensated and anything unearned is returned. This wouldn't be something that would go public as it is just between the lawyer and the client and his payors. In short, nothing about hiring the lawyer and what we heard about in the documentary raised any sort of red flag or oddities.Brian's patents paid $25k for the lawyer who never had to go to court to defend Brian...$25k for a lawyer to do nothing but make statements to the media? I don't buy it. $25k can buy a new identity, and things like dental records can be bought/faked. And who knows how much more they paid the lawyer after that initial $25k. Now, I know that multiple agencies were involved and it'd be tough to pull off a fake death, but everyone has their price. And the FBI surely wouldn't want to admit that he got away while they supposedly knew where he was and had the house under surveillance.
/conspiracy
Also, criminal defense attorneys don't buy new identities, generate fake dental records, or buy off FBI agents. That's silly movie-type stuff.