At what point did the Wash-NE first become out of reach for Washington (1 Viewer)

[redman]

My key assumptions here are that the game was still theoretically in reach prior to 31-0; the halftime score was 24-0.

I'm curious to see what folks will say about this.

 

[switz]

You didn't have a choice for me to select. But only once did WAS break 30 points, that was against DET. Their next highest score was 21 points. So it's unlikely in HALF a game they could put up 21 points even.

 

[bojanglingus]

31-0 sealed it. If the Skins could have stopped the Patriots (or forced a turnover) and scored to open the second half they would have had a chance (albeit slim). The score to make it 31-0 finished the competitive part of the day off.

 

[Bizkiteer]

31-0 Tom Brady, 2 yd run (Stephen Gostkowski kick is good), 7:14. Drive: 13 plays, 85 yards in 7:46 3rd quarter

I voted for this one because of two reasons:

1) Redskins offense had not shown anything to make you or anyone believe that they could score, let alone multiple scores.

2) Injuries (Smoot inactive, McIntosh and then C. Roges) on the defensive side made a tough task even more difficult, if not impossible at that point.

 

[redman]

You didn't have a choice for me to select. But only once did WAS break 30 points, that was against DET. Their next highest score was 21 points. So it's unlikely in HALF a game they could put up 21 points even.

I agree with this, but if I'm on the other sidelines there's no way I'm assuming that. My vote was 38-0 incidentally. That's a point margin and score that simply doesn't imply any chance at recovery whatsoever.

 

[The Jerk]

I would have voted for 24-0, given that it appeared the halftime score would be 17-3 or even 17-7 during the first half two minute drill. Really tough to overcome a potential 10-point swing when you're already down, on the road, and facing the Patriots.

 

[urbanhack]

For me it was the after the Washington offensive series after Colvin scored the TD. The game was ***officially*** over at that point.

4-4-NE13 (2:07) (Shotgun) J.Campbell pass short right to S.Moss to NE 12 for 1 yard (J.Sanders).

NE took over at their own 12 yard line with 2 minutes left in the 3rd.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

I would have voted for 24-0, given that it appeared the halftime score would be 17-3 or even 17-7 during the first half two minute drill. Really tough to overcome a potential 10-point swing when you're already down, on the road, and facing the Patriots.

 

[ShadowMaster]

Washington has only broke 21 poins once this year (vs. Detroit).

Need a 24-0 option in the poll

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I've seen 21 points in two minutes, 35 points in a quarter and 49 points in a half. All are exceedingly rare, but not unheard of. Given that I went with the 38 point option. At 31 points there was still time for 5 T.D.'s Not from that team absent an honest to God, to Hoyle miracle, but at least in theory.

 

[jbz]

honestly as a Skins fan? with the way the O has been playing, 7-0 was pretty much game, set, match

 

[ceo3west]

honestly as a Skins fan? with the way the O has been playing, 7-0 was pretty much game, set, match

 

[BigSteelThrill]

A: Last Tuesday the 23rd.

Right when Belicheck and his staff first went into the library of illegal films and starting looking at the dissected Redskins info in preperation for the game.

 

[Ozymandias]

I voted 38-0

For the record:

November 8, 1987 Tampa Bay--St. Louis

TB 7 7 14 0--28

STL 0 3 0 28--31

Additionaly, Buffalo came back from 32 points down in the thrid quarter in 1993.

 

[dallas428]

i say when the schedule came out...

 

[The Jerk]

I voted 38-0For the record:November 8, 1987 Tampa Bay--St. Louis TB 7 7 14 0--28STL 0 3 0 28--31Additionaly, Buffalo came back from 32 points down in the thrid quarter in 1993.

And the 49ers came back from a 35-7 halftime deficit to beat the Saints 38-35 in 1980.

 

[Newslang]

When Campbell made the garentee.

 

[shining path]

I've seen 21 points in two minutes, 35 points in a quarter and 49 points in a half. All are exceedingly rare, but not unheard of. Given that I went with the 38 point option. At 31 points there was still time for 5 T.D.'s Not from that team absent an honest to God, to Hoyle miracle, but at least in theory.

Fred Hoyle reference?

 

[PatsWillWin]

I would have voted for 24-0, given that it appeared the halftime score would be 17-3 or even 17-7 during the first half two minute drill. Really tough to overcome a potential 10-point swing when you're already down, on the road, and facing the Patriots.

If an NFL coach starts taking out starters and turtling up because of a 24-0 lead at half-time, he should be fired.I voted 38-0, FWIW.

 

[sheckiec]

I voted for 38-0, but only because "When Jesse Campbell was named starting QB." was not an option.

 

[Phurfur]

When NE took the field.

 

[Statorama]

At 31-0, the Pats could have essentially put Lawrence Maroney at free safety and won the game.

Hey, I figure with all the defensive players getting in on the act on the offensive side of the ball, turnabout would be fair play.

 

[pats3in4]

31-0. At 24-0, it was highly unlikely that Washington was coming back, but I wouldn't have said it was impossible. No way Washington was going to torch Hobbs and Samuel since they haven't given up big plays all year, but Washington could have picked apart the middle as San Diego and Dallas did. They would have had to be precise, scoring on each 2nd-half drive and also keeping the Pats out of the endzone. San Diego, also down 24-0 at the half, was fairly successful in this offensive attack to start the 2nd half, accounting for their two TDs. Their problem was that they couldn't keep the Pats from countering each score. In yesterday's game, once the Pats put up those 31 points, the message was sent: Even if you score this half, you're not keeping us out of the endzone.

 

[redman]

I've seen 21 points in two minutes, 35 points in a quarter and 49 points in a half. All are exceedingly rare, but not unheard of. Given that I went with the 38 point option. At 31 points there was still time for 5 T.D.'s Not from that team absent an honest to God, to Hoyle miracle, but at least in theory.

This was what I was thinking too. Far from a likelihood at 31-0, but still theoretically possible and therefore you keep going full speed if you're the Pats.

 

[JamesTheScot]

At the start of the fourth. 38 points in a quarter is tough to do. I think BB did it about right though I may have pulled Brady and Co. a little earlier. I think he was 100% right to play the subs the same way as he did the starters. Better in the long run for the subs to get real-game reps using the full play book in a real-life scenarios if an injury were to occur down the road.

But if Washington scored 14 unanswered, back in go the starters.

 

[Dought Man]

At 24-0, the game was already out of reach, but it became "bush league" for the Pats to be throwing the ball at 38.

 

[jurb26]

Where is the "when that ridiculous skins are going to punch the Pats in the mouth thread came out" option?

 

[PatsWillWin]

bump.

Just curious as to some thoughts on a couple games from this last weekend.

Pittsburgh was up 38-7 in the 4th quarter. Roethlisberger had gotten dinged up and taken out of the game. Roethlisberger was then put back in the game with about 12 minutes left in the game, again, with the Steelers up 38-7.

Roethlisberger was sacked on a 3rd down play in which he lined up in shotgun formation and was looking to pass.

Was the game out of reach here? Was this "classless" by Tomlin to keep his starters in?

Note: Charlie Batch was in on the next drive at roughly the time Cassel came in the Washington game.

 

[The Shizzle]

bump.Just curious as to some thoughts on a couple games from this last weekend.Pittsburgh was up 38-7 in the 4th quarter. Roethlisberger had gotten dinged up and taken out of the game. Roethlisberger was then put back in the game with about 12 minutes left in the game, again, with the Steelers up 38-7. Roethlisberger was sacked on a 3rd down play in which he lined up in shotgun formation and was looking to pass.Was the game out of reach here? Was this "classless" by Tomlin to keep his starters in?Note: Charlie Batch was in on the next drive at roughly the time Cassel came in the Washington game.

I heard something on Sirius about this. They said something to the fact of: (not a quote): If the Steelers kept Ben out, they would be fielding questions all week long about his injury. If they put him back in, they could simply say that he was fine thats why he was back in the game. Therefore not having to talk in great depth about his "injury"FWIW

 

[Fodasme69]

bump.Just curious as to some thoughts on a couple games from this last weekend.Pittsburgh was up 38-7 in the 4th quarter. Roethlisberger had gotten dinged up and taken out of the game. Roethlisberger was then put back in the game with about 12 minutes left in the game, again, with the Steelers up 38-7. Roethlisberger was sacked on a 3rd down play in which he lined up in shotgun formation and was looking to pass.Was the game out of reach here? Was this "classless" by Tomlin to keep his starters in?Note: Charlie Batch was in on the next drive at roughly the time Cassel came in the Washington game.

Cause the stillers are a team that America can like unlike the cheating pats

 

[dgreen]

bump.Just curious as to some thoughts on a couple games from this last weekend.Pittsburgh was up 38-7 in the 4th quarter. Roethlisberger had gotten dinged up and taken out of the game. Roethlisberger was then put back in the game with about 12 minutes left in the game, again, with the Steelers up 38-7. Roethlisberger was sacked on a 3rd down play in which he lined up in shotgun formation and was looking to pass.Was the game out of reach here? Was this "classless" by Tomlin to keep his starters in?Note: Charlie Batch was in on the next drive at roughly the time Cassel came in the Washington game.

This seems like an odd thread to bump for this question.

 

[PatsWillWin]

bump.Just curious as to some thoughts on a couple games from this last weekend.Pittsburgh was up 38-7 in the 4th quarter. Roethlisberger had gotten dinged up and taken out of the game. Roethlisberger was then put back in the game with about 12 minutes left in the game, again, with the Steelers up 38-7. Roethlisberger was sacked on a 3rd down play in which he lined up in shotgun formation and was looking to pass.Was the game out of reach here? Was this "classless" by Tomlin to keep his starters in?Note: Charlie Batch was in on the next drive at roughly the time Cassel came in the Washington game.

Cause the stillers are a team that America can like unlike the cheating pats

So it's not classless to run up the score if "America can like" you?ETA: My apologies for not recognizing the sarcasm. Unfortunately I wouldn't put such an absurd argument past some of the people likely attracted to this thread.

 

[PatsWillWin]

bump.Just curious as to some thoughts on a couple games from this last weekend.Pittsburgh was up 38-7 in the 4th quarter. Roethlisberger had gotten dinged up and taken out of the game. Roethlisberger was then put back in the game with about 12 minutes left in the game, again, with the Steelers up 38-7. Roethlisberger was sacked on a 3rd down play in which he lined up in shotgun formation and was looking to pass.Was the game out of reach here? Was this "classless" by Tomlin to keep his starters in?Note: Charlie Batch was in on the next drive at roughly the time Cassel came in the Washington game.

This seems like an odd thread to bump for this question.

I'm interested in a legitimate answer as to why this situation is different or why it's the same is, therefore, "classless."Starting a new thread on this subject will result in extra 's and "ROFL PATRIOT FAN HOMERS" comments (hopefully).

 

[dgreen]

bump.Just curious as to some thoughts on a couple games from this last weekend.Pittsburgh was up 38-7 in the 4th quarter. Roethlisberger had gotten dinged up and taken out of the game. Roethlisberger was then put back in the game with about 12 minutes left in the game, again, with the Steelers up 38-7. Roethlisberger was sacked on a 3rd down play in which he lined up in shotgun formation and was looking to pass.Was the game out of reach here? Was this "classless" by Tomlin to keep his starters in?Note: Charlie Batch was in on the next drive at roughly the time Cassel came in the Washington game.

This seems like an odd thread to bump for this question.

I'm interested in a legitimate answer as to why this situation is different or why it's the same is, therefore, "classless."Starting a new thread on this subject will result in extra 's and "ROFL PATRIOT FAN HOMERS" comments (hopefully).

Okay.But, it still doesn't have to do with this thread.

 

[Fodasme69]

bump.Just curious as to some thoughts on a couple games from this last weekend.Pittsburgh was up 38-7 in the 4th quarter. Roethlisberger had gotten dinged up and taken out of the game. Roethlisberger was then put back in the game with about 12 minutes left in the game, again, with the Steelers up 38-7. Roethlisberger was sacked on a 3rd down play in which he lined up in shotgun formation and was looking to pass.Was the game out of reach here? Was this "classless" by Tomlin to keep his starters in?Note: Charlie Batch was in on the next drive at roughly the time Cassel came in the Washington game.

Cause the stillers are a team that America can like unlike the cheating pats

So it's not classless to run up the score if "America can like" you?

I was being sarcastic. I agree with you in that it's much to do about NOTHING.

 

[PatsWillWin]

bump.

Just curious as to some thoughts on a couple games from this last weekend.

Pittsburgh was up 38-7 in the 4th quarter. Roethlisberger had gotten dinged up and taken out of the game. Roethlisberger was then put back in the game with about 12 minutes left in the game, again, with the Steelers up 38-7.

Roethlisberger was sacked on a 3rd down play in which he lined up in shotgun formation and was looking to pass.

Was the game out of reach here? Was this "classless" by Tomlin to keep his starters in?

Note: Charlie Batch was in on the next drive at roughly the time Cassel came in the Washington game.

This seems like an odd thread to bump for this question.

I'm interested in a legitimate answer as to why this situation is different or why it's the same is, therefore, "classless."Starting a new thread on this subject will result in extra 's and "ROFL PATRIOT FAN HOMERS" comments (hopefully).

Okay.But, it still doesn't have to do with this thread.

Here, I'll help you make the giant leap between the two topics.Game 1: Team A gets called "classless" for leaving it's starting offense in when the game is clearly out of reach by the end of the 3rd quarter.

Game 2: Team B puts its starting quarterback back into a game after being taken out for being dinged up when the game is clearly out of reach in the 4th quarter.

 

[dgreen]

bump.

Just curious as to some thoughts on a couple games from this last weekend.

Pittsburgh was up 38-7 in the 4th quarter. Roethlisberger had gotten dinged up and taken out of the game. Roethlisberger was then put back in the game with about 12 minutes left in the game, again, with the Steelers up 38-7.

Roethlisberger was sacked on a 3rd down play in which he lined up in shotgun formation and was looking to pass.

Was the game out of reach here? Was this "classless" by Tomlin to keep his starters in?

Note: Charlie Batch was in on the next drive at roughly the time Cassel came in the Washington game.

This seems like an odd thread to bump for this question.

I'm interested in a legitimate answer as to why this situation is different or why it's the same is, therefore, "classless."Starting a new thread on this subject will result in extra 's and "ROFL PATRIOT FAN HOMERS" comments (hopefully).

Okay.But, it still doesn't have to do with this thread.

Here, I'll help you make the giant leap between the two topics.Game 1: Team A gets called "classless" for leaving it's starting offense in when the game is clearly out of reach by the end of the 3rd quarter.

Game 2: Team B puts its starting quarterback back into a game after being taken out for being dinged up when the game is clearly out of reach in the 4th quarter.

Super.This thread wasn't about NE being classless. There are about 100 other threads that are about that, though. Maybe you can bump one of those to soothe your "woe is me" attitude.

 

[redman]

I'm still waiting on the examples of Pittsburgh twice going for it on 4th down with such a lead, including by sneaking Roethlisberger. TIA.

 

[GDogg]

bump.Just curious as to some thoughts on a couple games from this last weekend.Pittsburgh was up 38-7 in the 4th quarter. Roethlisberger had gotten dinged up and taken out of the game. Roethlisberger was then put back in the game with about 12 minutes left in the game, again, with the Steelers up 38-7. Roethlisberger was sacked on a 3rd down play in which he lined up in shotgun formation and was looking to pass.Was the game out of reach here? Was this "classless" by Tomlin to keep his starters in?Note: Charlie Batch was in on the next drive at roughly the time Cassel came in the Washington game.

What are the similarities?This wasn't a 38-0 game in which Roethlisberger is in at QB going for it on 4th down from the Baltimore 7 in the 4th Qtr. There's a difference between pouring it on and passing for a 1st down on a 3rd Down in your own territory.

 

[redman]

bump.Just curious as to some thoughts on a couple games from this last weekend.Pittsburgh was up 38-7 in the 4th quarter. Roethlisberger had gotten dinged up and taken out of the game. Roethlisberger was then put back in the game with about 12 minutes left in the game, again, with the Steelers up 38-7. Roethlisberger was sacked on a 3rd down play in which he lined up in shotgun formation and was looking to pass.Was the game out of reach here? Was this "classless" by Tomlin to keep his starters in?Note: Charlie Batch was in on the next drive at roughly the time Cassel came in the Washington game.

What are the similarities?This wasn't a 38-0 game in which Roethlisberger is in at QB going for it on 4th down from the Baltimore 7 in the 4th Qtr. There's a difference between pouring it on and passing for a 1st down on a 3rd Down in your own territory.

The difference is that you're not a persecuted Pats fan, you insensitive #######.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I'm still waiting on the examples of Pittsburgh twice going for it on 4th down with such a lead, including by sneaking Roethlisberger. TIA.

Could you provide me a list of which play calls are the "classless" ones and which ones are okay by Redman? TIA.There's nothing inherently more or less classy about calling a QB sneak. It's stupid, granted, but I don't see how it's related to class.And I still think it's pretty absurd to say that taking a guaranteed 3 points is less classy than converting a 4th down to keep a drive going instead of taking needless points.

 

[PatsWillWin]

bump.

Just curious as to some thoughts on a couple games from this last weekend.

Pittsburgh was up 38-7 in the 4th quarter. Roethlisberger had gotten dinged up and taken out of the game. Roethlisberger was then put back in the game with about 12 minutes left in the game, again, with the Steelers up 38-7.

Roethlisberger was sacked on a 3rd down play in which he lined up in shotgun formation and was looking to pass.

Was the game out of reach here? Was this "classless" by Tomlin to keep his starters in?

Note: Charlie Batch was in on the next drive at roughly the time Cassel came in the Washington game.

This seems like an odd thread to bump for this question.

I'm interested in a legitimate answer as to why this situation is different or why it's the same is, therefore, "classless."Starting a new thread on this subject will result in extra 's and "ROFL PATRIOT FAN HOMERS" comments (hopefully).

Okay.But, it still doesn't have to do with this thread.

Here, I'll help you make the giant leap between the two topics.Game 1: Team A gets called "classless" for leaving it's starting offense in when the game is clearly out of reach by the end of the 3rd quarter.

Game 2: Team B puts its starting quarterback back into a game after being taken out for being dinged up when the game is clearly out of reach in the 4th quarter.

Super.This thread wasn't about NE being classless. There are about 100 other threads that are about that, though. Maybe you can bump one of those to soothe your "woe is me" attitude.

Where is the "woe is me" attitude? I'm comparing the score and time left in the WAS game to the score and time left in the PIT game. It's as closely connected as any of the other threads, if not closer.

 

[GDogg]

bump.Just curious as to some thoughts on a couple games from this last weekend.Pittsburgh was up 38-7 in the 4th quarter. Roethlisberger had gotten dinged up and taken out of the game. Roethlisberger was then put back in the game with about 12 minutes left in the game, again, with the Steelers up 38-7. Roethlisberger was sacked on a 3rd down play in which he lined up in shotgun formation and was looking to pass.Was the game out of reach here? Was this "classless" by Tomlin to keep his starters in?Note: Charlie Batch was in on the next drive at roughly the time Cassel came in the Washington game.

What are the similarities?This wasn't a 38-0 game in which Roethlisberger is in at QB going for it on 4th down from the Baltimore 7 in the 4th Qtr. There's a difference between pouring it on and passing for a 1st down on a 3rd Down in your own territory.

The difference is that you're not a persecuted Pats fan, you insensitive #######.

I know. I'm a real jerk. I don't know why I posted what I did. I guess I was just trying to impress the Pats-haters.