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Austin Seferian-Jenkins - What do you think? (2 Viewers)
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TE targets for the Jets YTD and 2015 are basically nonexistent. Is that scheme, Fitzpatrick, lack of pass-catching tight-ends, etc? All of the above?
msommer
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
System I think. Amaro had a catch yday with the Titans (there was another time he seemed surprised to have been targeted at all even though he was open ten yards from the LOS).
georg013
Footballguy
Ok! Since YOU liked what YOU saw, it must be true! What were the rest of us thinking! (MIlkman, sometimes it better to just admit your assessment on a guy was wrong. Just saying.)
Milkman
Footballguy
Yeah I would but he flashed. I definitely liked what I saw. If I didn't i absolutely would say I missed. He's a knucklehead which I don't really put much value on either way. I probably should though. Def "did not" miss though.......he's caught on with another team so let's see if he wakes up.
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Tommy Collins
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2010 Buffalo Billsbombjack said:
2011 Buffalo Bills
2012 Buffalo Bills
The TE wasn't involved in 2010. Scott Chandler got a decent amount of targets in 2011 and then got 74 in 2012. There wasn't a whole lot of talent on the team, so Chandler may have been utilized more due to a lack of quality weapons rather than any special ability (I felt Chandler was an over-rated, 6'7" guy who couldn't break a tackle on a 170lb DB).
Marshall and Decker are clearly the #1 & #2 guys in NY. Forte has caught a lot of balls and Powell is a good receiving back. Enunwa has come on pretty well this year as well. There's a lot of guys to complete with targets for in that offense. Did they make the TE position irrelevant? I don't think so. Amaro hadn't done much and they didn't have much else in the way of a receiving threat at the position on their roster.
He could have landed in worse places, that's for sure.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I have heard the narrative that Chan Gailey doesn't use the TE much as a receiver in his offensive scheme. Never really looked into if that were the case or not.
The main knock on Jace Amaro besides not being healthy is that he isn't a very good blocker. Aside from character issues this seemed to be the reason why they let him go.
Mike Mularkey best known to me as a TE coach didn't seem to have an issue with Amaros lack of blocking ability. He actually had some receptions with Walker out.
The Jets picking up ASJ shows some interest in having a TE in their offense that they haven't shown thus far.
The difference between Amaro and ASJ is that ASJ is actually a good blocking TE, not just a receiving option. So it sort of makes sense that they would give him a look as a 2 way TE over Amaro.
The main knock on Jace Amaro besides not being healthy is that he isn't a very good blocker. Aside from character issues this seemed to be the reason why they let him go.
Mike Mularkey best known to me as a TE coach didn't seem to have an issue with Amaros lack of blocking ability. He actually had some receptions with Walker out.
The Jets picking up ASJ shows some interest in having a TE in their offense that they haven't shown thus far.
The difference between Amaro and ASJ is that ASJ is actually a good blocking TE, not just a receiving option. So it sort of makes sense that they would give him a look as a 2 way TE over Amaro.
Nope. He deserves credit for playing the hand the GM gives him.
IIRC he's coached Sharpe, Witten, Eric Green, Tony G. He was young Elway's tutor no?
(Above) Fitz has played fine with other TEs.
Fitz still looks rusty and I blame both sides of that contract dispute. I don't know how else you size up 400 yards one week 200 the next.
Fitz was not a good QB. It's a star position and he was either average or below average. Gailey pulled a rabbit out of his hat last year making Fitz a gem at age 37 or whatever age he is. I remember stories of Fitz with Warner and Martz- how highly intelligent Fitz was. I liked the idea of a super smart QB. I don't know how Yale or Columbia or Harvard QBs truly are as athletes but for every day that I hear of a complicated NFL D, I think landing a genius QB is a nice counter move. Anyway, I thought the guy was done. He couldn't start on the Titans and wasn't much in Houston.
He's been fantastic with NYJ. His self awareness was awesome last year. He knew exactly what he was or wasn't capable of. I think that's the key for Gailey too. Maybe he listened to Ryan and the O was scripted accordingly.
When the Jets lose, I see him under pressure, I see drops, and I see "stupid" rush attempts that go nowhere. Gailey surely isn't doing well these days, but it's not on Ryan usually. After he throws an INT I see a good determination or pep to him on the next drive.
He's not a star. He's never going to put the team on his back and write some story for a record book. He seems real easy to work with though.
I'm tired of "watch for Bilal Powell" and "grab Powell" posts on twitter. Also the Jets miss Ivory ones. Powell is a lot like Fitz in a RB body. He ain't special but geesh he is one hard nosed runner going to give ya everything he's got. Run him more, you won't miss Ivory.
Early on, there are way too many NFL teams not using all their weapons. I'm watching saying "hello, you do have player X" and it's just so odd. This team needs deep speed and has a track star on the sideline, that team needs better run blocking and has a great FB...it's just stupid. It looks like they're trying to add wrinkles to the O each week. That's for preseason, garbage to do it now.
Anyway, the Jets want more tough runs-run Powell more. Six catches? For him? Cmon. That line feeds off tough runs, quit being cute
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Really talented player who has produced some big games already.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Just as I was going to cut this guy from my dynasty roster. May have to hold a little longer.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Nothing gets the head out of the ### quite like a contract year.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
If the Jets release Decker as rumored there will be somewhat of a void that could lead to ASJ being used a bit more if he is indeed taking this more seriously and applying himself.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Here is the combined total for all NYJ tight ends in 2015 and 2016. Just to clarify, this is the total production for all their TE's over TWO SEASONS:
26 receptions, 268 receiving yards, 1 TD = 32.8 fantasy points = 1 fantasy point per game
ASJ may look good in OTA's and mini camp, but since Bowles took over the TE position has been a barren waste land. With Morton taking over as OC, maybe they will remember they have TE's on the team. ASJ certainly could be a deep sleeper, but I'm not sure he's worth taking up a roster spot to start the season. Maybe he'll be a decent waiver wire pick up.
26 receptions, 268 receiving yards, 1 TD = 32.8 fantasy points = 1 fantasy point per game
ASJ may look good in OTA's and mini camp, but since Bowles took over the TE position has been a barren waste land. With Morton taking over as OC, maybe they will remember they have TE's on the team. ASJ certainly could be a deep sleeper, but I'm not sure he's worth taking up a roster spot to start the season. Maybe he'll be a decent waiver wire pick up.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Bowles has NOTHING to do with the offense.
I'm not saying ASJ (or any of their TEs) will be good this year, but what happened the last two seasons is completely irrelevant since they have a new OC this season and Chan Gailey did not use TEs (nor did they have a good one).
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I get that Bowles himself had nothing to do with the offense, but he did bring in Gailey, so Gailey would not have been there without Bowles. And while they may not have had great TE options, if they never were utilized how can we be sure they weren't very good?
Morton hasn't been an OC in the pros before, so there really isn't a track record to look at to see what he might have in store. ASJ can't do any worse than the guys that had recently, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he will be fantasy relevant. At this time of year, lots of players look good in shorts and t-shirts with no contact allowed.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Well it's a "chicken-egg" scenario I guess but I think it's pretty safe to assume that Brandon Bostwick, Jeff Cumberland, Kellen Davis and Zach Sudfeld weren't very good.
Morton has not been an OC but he comes from a system (NO) that heavily utilized the TE and he has stated that he wants to get the TEs involved in his offense. Now that does not mean it will happen, and with the state of the QBs it also doesn't mean it would lead to fantasy stats anyway - but it does show that ASJ could show some signs of life if he has indeed got his head straight. I do agree with you that there's no need to rush out and get him though or even draft him.
Must add in dynasty. ASJ was a Great prospect whose production was severely limited due to maturity concerns. If he's making progress to move past that (all indications over the past few months indicate he is), then he could be in line for a significant opportunity given the Jets just lost their two best receivers.
Boone22
Footballguy
Not that this means a lot but this was posted a few weeks ago...
Jets fifth-round TE Jordan Leggett said new OC John Morton told him he "loves" tight ends and wants to make the position a "go-to" in his scheme.
It is a big but expected departure from ex-OC Chan Gailey, whose offense targeted a tight end just 26 times last season. Leggett does not profile as a dynamic receiver in the NFL, but he should have a good shot at an early role with Austin Seferian-Jenkins suspended the first two games. Even so, the Jets' offense is not good enough to get excited about either player in fantasy.
So it sounds to me like Morton may use the TE position more than Gailey did. Add to that the release of Decker and who else can they throw to but Enunwa and ASJ?
Jets fifth-round TE Jordan Leggett said new OC John Morton told him he "loves" tight ends and wants to make the position a "go-to" in his scheme.
It is a big but expected departure from ex-OC Chan Gailey, whose offense targeted a tight end just 26 times last season. Leggett does not profile as a dynamic receiver in the NFL, but he should have a good shot at an early role with Austin Seferian-Jenkins suspended the first two games. Even so, the Jets' offense is not good enough to get excited about either player in fantasy.
So it sounds to me like Morton may use the TE position more than Gailey did. Add to that the release of Decker and who else can they throw to but Enunwa and ASJ?
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steelers1080
Footballguy
You clearly haven't been burned by any of the other times that he was "making progress", "Looks great", or was "Anxious to put this behind him". Been there, done that.maf005 said:
ASJ could have 1-2 good weeks, but he's a waste of space on a fantasy roster. If you can trick an opponent to pick him up, that's a win, because they'll be dropping someone who is probably better than ASJ.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
This!
ASJ was/is the TE I plan to drop along with Higbee to draft 2 of 3 out of Engram, Njoku and Howard. At least one of them will likely be gone when my name is called.
You're spot on it's really hard to trust this guy.
Tex
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
In fairness this is the only time he's actually coming out of rehab. I think he's worth a flier if you have roster space (he's on waivers in every league I'm in).
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Agree that ASJ has been a bum so far and I've had him on my dynasty taxi squad since he's been a rookie. I was ready to cut him as well but I think him sobering up could be the turning point in his career. I agree with the other poster who said he's a must add in dynasty leagues. Assuming your dynasty league is deep, he absolutely is a must add. He's still young enough to turn it around and TEs take a few years to develop anyway. I'll be holding for now.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Anyone buying him? I posted two trades in the dynasty trade thread. I wouldn't offer more than a 3rd, but for a loaded team, I think he's worth a 3rd as a boom/bust. He was taken 4.6 in one of my leagues where rookie drafts are still going. I've had offers of a 4th+bum TE turned down.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I think he is a talented player and a situation shaping up to be favorable for him this season with the lack of other proven receiving options.
To me he is worth a roster spot and at least for now the price which is pretty close to free.
To me he is worth a roster spot and at least for now the price which is pretty close to free.
steelers1080
Footballguy
In fairness, lots of people who leave rehab relapse. Josh Gordon being a recent example. Hope he can stay clean, but I don't think he'll be a top 12 TE.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
socrates
Footballguy
ASJ is essentially free. If you do not believe he is worth a roster spot, then pass on him. If you have a roster spot you want to burn on him to see how this develops, I think that is reasonable. Athletic talent has never been his issue; if ASJ can stay clean and puts forth a good effort, he should prove to be a value pickup.
I picked him up in a Dynasty league. If ASJ falls back into his old ways, I cut him and move on. He was essentially free. The only cost is that he occupies a spot on my roster that could be used for another potential value pick off the waiver wire. ASJ is a classic swing-for-the-fences type of waiver wire add: if he hits, he could hit big, but there is a strong chance you strike out with him and drop him in a month or two for a different prospect. I like having a roster spot or two this time of the year for prospects with high potential, and ASJ fits the bill.
I picked him up in a Dynasty league. If ASJ falls back into his old ways, I cut him and move on. He was essentially free. The only cost is that he occupies a spot on my roster that could be used for another potential value pick off the waiver wire. ASJ is a classic swing-for-the-fences type of waiver wire add: if he hits, he could hit big, but there is a strong chance you strike out with him and drop him in a month or two for a different prospect. I like having a roster spot or two this time of the year for prospects with high potential, and ASJ fits the bill.
Boone22
Footballguy
NJ Advance Media's Connor Hughes reports Austin Seferian-Jenkins "has dominated" at Jets camp.
Seferian-Jenkins was widely considered the best offensive player on the team in spring practices, and that has carried over into training camp with the pads on. He's been winning all of his one-on-ones and looks like a "legitimate offensive weapon" for a Jets squad that needs them. Though suspended for the first two games, ASJ has a real chance to lead this offense in targets the final 14 weeks. Aug 9 - 9:24 AM
Seferian-Jenkins was widely considered the best offensive player on the team in spring practices, and that has carried over into training camp with the pads on. He's been winning all of his one-on-ones and looks like a "legitimate offensive weapon" for a Jets squad that needs them. Though suspended for the first two games, ASJ has a real chance to lead this offense in targets the final 14 weeks. Aug 9 - 9:24 AM
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Milkman
Footballguy
I've always been a fan of his talent. Maybe he grew up. He has fallen into a great situation where he could get a huge target share.......
Ilov80s
Footballguy
socrates
Footballguy
I'm not tracking with this. Perhaps I need another cup of coffee. Your site settings do not allow you to draft a suspended player?
Hankmoody
Footballguy
I think he's saying he doesn't like drafting two TE and so you can't take a blank the first two weeks. In leagues with bigger rosters or required multiple TE he's a fine stash.
socrates
Footballguy
whiskey7
Footballguy
I agree he has an opportunity for targets but I think "great" is pretty aggressive for describing his situation.
I drafted ASJ as a rookie (dynasty) and held him (for longer than I probably should have) hoping he'd play to his talent level. Dropped. Guy just cant get out of his own way. Maybe if he was going to a more stable, successful group but the Jets are likely looking at a long, frustrating season with sketchy (at best) QB play. I just don't see that being the environment conducive to ASJ righting his ship. Plus the all the distractions of NYC? I hope he does get his act together and have a good season/career but I am no longer betting on it.
