Average Trump Voters - Biden Voters - Was The Election Stolen From Trump? (1 Viewer)

[BladeRunner]

We don't have to guess. We have real evidence. We can just look to 2016. You know - the one where the loser conceded on election night.

Hillary DID NOT concede on election night. She wouldn't even come out and address her own supporters.  HTH.

 

[Sea Duck]

We don't have to guess. We have real evidence. We can just look to 2016. You know - the one where the loser conceded on election night.

Hillary DID NOT concede on election night. She wouldn't even come out and address her own supporters.  HTH.

This is semantics. Hillary called Trump to concede shortly after the AP called the race at 2:35 a.m.. But hey, let's make a big deal about Hillary delaying for a couple hours when Trump has been dragging his feet for (checks watch) approximately 34 1/2 days now.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I don’t understand what is meant by “average” Biden voter and “average” Trump voter. Does “average” refer to those who belong to a certain specified demographic? What are the characteristics of an average Trump or Biden voter?  Or is it meant to refer to a majority of voters of the candidate? Put another way, “do you think Trump voters, on average, think the election was stolen from him?”  If the latter, my answer is No and No. 

No certain demographic. I'd say your "majority" definition is fine.

 

[bigbottom]

No certain demographic. I'd say your "majority" definition is fine.

Yeah, then a pretty definitive no and no from me.

 

[BladeRunner]

This is semantics. Hillary called Trump to concede shortly after the AP called the race at 2:35 a.m.. But hey, let's make a big deal about Hillary delaying for a couple hours when Trump has been dragging his feet for (checks watch) approximately 34 1/2 days now.

It wasn't a couple hours either.

Trump is perfectly well within his legal rights to do what he's doing.

 

[Sea Duck]

This is semantics. Hillary called Trump to concede shortly after the AP called the race at 2:35 a.m.. But hey, let's make a big deal about Hillary delaying for a couple hours when Trump has been dragging his feet for (checks watch) approximately 34 1/2 days now.

It wasn't a couple hours either.

Not sure why you want to keep digging here.

Timeline of election night

2:30 a.m. -- Trump wins Wisconsin and reaches 270 electoral votes
2:35 a.m. -- US TV networks report that Hillary Clinton has rung Donald Trump to concede defeat.

You're dying on the hill of "It wasn't election night anymore!" which, imo, is just -ish semantics. It's also an insult to the good people of Alaska, Hawaii, and every American who resides in the Pacific Time Zone.

The bottom line is that Hillary showed class by conceding within minutes of the race being called, which is more than can be said of Donald Trump.

 

[timschochet]

Trump is perfectly well within his legal rights to do what he's doing.

I keep hearing this line, especially from Republican politicians. 
Is there anyone suggesting otherwise? 

 

[Sea Duck]

Trump is perfectly well within his legal rights to do what he's doing.

I keep hearing this line, especially from Republican politicians. 
Is there anyone suggesting otherwise? 

Trump has the legal right to file nuisance lawsuits. (Although it goes against what the Republican party used to stand for.)

Trump does not, however, have the legal right to use his office to push governors and legislators to violate their own laws. (Again, this used to be the kind of thing that Republicans opposed. But there are very few Republicans opposing Trump right now, so he has been able to violate laws and/or norms with impunity.)

 

[BladeRunner]

Trump has the legal right to file nuisance lawsuits. (Although it goes against what the Republican party used to stand for.)

Trump does not, however, have the legal right to use his office to push governors and legislators to violate their own laws. (Again, this used to be the kind of thing that Republicans opposed. But there are very few Republicans opposing Trump right now, so he has been able to violate laws and/or norms with impunity.)

You're opinion is that he's violating laws?  Also, norms <> laws.

 

[Sea Duck]

Trump has the legal right to file nuisance lawsuits. (Although it goes against what the Republican party used to stand for.)

Trump does not, however, have the legal right to use his office to push governors and legislators to violate their own laws. (Again, this used to be the kind of thing that Republicans opposed. But there are very few Republicans opposing Trump right now, so he has been able to violate laws and/or norms with impunity.)

You're opinion is that he's violating laws? 

See here:

Calling for a Special Session of the Legislature for the sake of transparency violates the law?

Yes

“'Georgia law prohibits the governor from interfering in elections. The Secretary of State, who is an elected constitutional officer, has oversight over elections that cannot be overridden by executive order,' Kemp’s spokesman said several days ago in response to Trump’s public demands." (Link.)

But it's not just that Trump urged Kemp to violate the law. Trump himself also may have violated criminal law here.

"Kathleen Clark, a law professor at Washington University, said that if Trump invoked his federal authority in his conversation Saturday with Kemp, or made the call from the Oval Office, he could have violated criminal provisions of the Hatch Act, which prohibits government officials from political activity in their official roles." (Link.)

 

[BladeRunner]

See here:

Cool.  Thanks! 

 

[AAABatteries]

The vast majority feel it was stolen. If you don’t believe that, go read Republican forums, Republican social media, or talk to republicans. 

The fact that they believe that is one of the main reasons I don’t read them.

 

[AAABatteries]

That's my impression too. But purely anecdotal. 

That’s close to mine too but I will say that these same people would have no questions about transparency if Trump had won - mainly because Trump and right leaning media wouldn’t be doing an all-out assault on the results like they have been.  I think their real issue is their guy didn’t win.  There were lots of sore losers in 2016 and also 2020.  The key difference I see is the unprecedented lengths being taken in 2020 to overturn the results. In 2016, it was more attacking the guy that won and his supporters - not attacking the process (save the EC).

 

[Kiddnets]

We are witnessing a complete change in presidential elections as we know it.....while it's clear there was no widespread "fraud" or "rigging" as Trump claims....the new norm will now be the loser of the presidential election claiming some type of shennanigans and the losing side refusing to accept the results....instead of an orderly election night with the usual concession within 24 hours as we've seen in just about all the modern day elections except Gore/Bush....there will now be denials, accusations and court battles....the genie is out of the bottle and this will be the new norm....it's awful.  

 

[Godsbrother]

We are witnessing a complete change in presidential elections as we know it.....while it's clear there was no widespread "fraud" or "rigging" as Trump claims....the new norm will now be the loser of the presidential election claiming some type of shennanigans and the losing side refusing to accept the results....instead of an orderly election night with the usual concession within 24 hours as we've seen in just about all the modern day elections except Gore/Bush....there will now be denials, accusations and court battles....the genie is out of the bottle and this will be the new norm....it's awful.  

Maybe but I think the real culprit is DJT.  Once he is out of the picture there is a chance things go swing back to normal.

 

[Dickies]

We are witnessing a complete change in presidential elections as we know it.....while it's clear there was no widespread "fraud" or "rigging" as Trump claims....the new norm will now be the loser of the presidential election claiming some type of shennanigans and the losing side refusing to accept the results....instead of an orderly election night with the usual concession within 24 hours as we've seen in just about all the modern day elections except Gore/Bush....there will now be denials, accusations and court battles....the genie is out of the bottle and this will be the new norm....it's awful.  

I doubt this.  I don't see any of the Dem presidential candidates this cycle pulling this nonsense.  The refusing to accept the results of the election, IMHO is a Trump thing, but what concerns me is how he and the right have elevated fake news, conspiracy theories, and misinformation into the mainstream, demanding its equality with reality.  I have no idea how we fix it.

 

[Thunderlips]

Maybe but I think the real culprit is DJT.  Once he is out of the picture there is a chance things go swing back to normal.

Maybe....but if you're a DJT Disciple who decides to run....what's the harm in doing it?  

 

[gianmarco]

I'm going to be honest here.  

I think most people that voted for Trump are normal people, that think he lost and needs to move on.  

But man, there are A LOT of people that think this was stolen.  Our city has a facebook group of the Republican party.  And it's all memes and articles from random websites about "Here's proof the election was stolen."

A lot of misinformation about the virus/masks/vaccines/etc.  

Rethinking a lot.

Just curious what you mean by rethinking a lot.  That line stuck out to me.