Avoid Mike Wallace, the Raven? (1 Viewer)

[BigSteelThrill]

Rotoworld:

According to CBS' Jason La Canfora, the Dolphins have renewed attempts to trade Mike Wallace.
It's a story that's barely even worth discussing because Wallace is nearly impossible to trade. He signed a $60 million deal a year ago and is owed a whopping $15 million in 2014 base salary. The Miami Herald has previously disputed reports that Wallace is even on the block.

Source: Jason La Canfora on Twitter

But Touchdown There said he was worth that much, so the contract shouldn't be hard to trade. An elite WR in his prime, signed to a reasonable deal - surely there are buyers. Right? RIGHT?

Excellent little tutorial for you here.

You got curbstomped.

 

[Touchdown There]

Rotoworld:

According to CBS' Jason La Canfora, the Dolphins have renewed attempts to trade Mike Wallace.
It's a story that's barely even worth discussing because Wallace is nearly impossible to trade. He signed a $60 million deal a year ago and is owed a whopping $15 million in 2014 base salary. The Miami Herald has previously disputed reports that Wallace is even on the block.

Source: Jason La Canfora on Twitter

But Touchdown There said he was worth that much, so the contract shouldn't be hard to trade. An elite WR in his prime, signed to a reasonable deal - surely there are buyers. Right? RIGHT?

Excellent little tutorial for you here.

You got curbstomped.

Both of you butt buddies can learn from that tutorial. Nevermind that fact that the Steelers could not afford Mike Wallace.

 

[cstu]

Almost every highly paid player is difficult to trade. Teams just don't want to give up picks and pay someone a ton of money. The Seahawks did it with Harvin but it was because they thought he was the missing piece of their puzzle.

Regarding the specifics of Wallace's contract, if they trade him then he only cost them $12M ($11M signing bonus and $1M in salary). They would be passing along a more expensive contract - $15M guaranteed this year and an average of $11M a year going forward.

Wallace was essentially untradeable for two years the moment he signed that deal. Maybe if he's better this year they could get something for him since his salary is $9.9M in 2015.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Rotoworld:

According to CBS' Jason La Canfora, the Dolphins have renewed attempts to trade Mike Wallace.
It's a story that's barely even worth discussing because Wallace is nearly impossible to trade. He signed a $60 million deal a year ago and is owed a whopping $15 million in 2014 base salary. The Miami Herald has previously disputed reports that Wallace is even on the block.

Source: Jason La Canfora on Twitter

But Touchdown There said he was worth that much, so the contract shouldn't be hard to trade. An elite WR in his prime, signed to a reasonable deal - surely there are buyers. Right? RIGHT?

Excellent little tutorial for you here.

You got curbstomped.

Both of you butt buddies can learn from that tutorial. Nevermind that fact that the Steelers could not afford Mike Wallace.

You got butt raped in this whole fiasco. oof.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Rotoworld:

According to CBS' Jason La Canfora, the Dolphins have renewed attempts to trade Mike Wallace.

It's a story that's barely even worth discussing because Wallace is nearly impossible to trade. He signed a $60 million deal a year ago and is owed a whopping $15 million in 2014 base salary. The Miami Herald has previously disputed reports that Wallace is even on the block.

Source: Jason La Canfora on Twitter

But Touchdown There said he was worth that much, so the contract shouldn't be hard to trade. An elite WR in his prime, signed to a reasonable deal - surely there are buyers. Right? RIGHT?

Excellent little tutorial for you here.

You got curbstomped.

Both of you butt buddies can learn from that tutorial. Nevermind that fact that the Steelers could not afford Mike Wallace.

It's abundantly clear that paying Wallace that much was bad business, guy. The Steelers were clearly 100% right to keep Antonio Brown for way less money. It's amusing that you keep doubling down on the wrong, though, so carry on.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Rotoworld:

According to CBS' Jason La Canfora, the Dolphins have renewed attempts to trade Mike Wallace.

It's a story that's barely even worth discussing because Wallace is nearly impossible to trade. He signed a $60 million deal a year ago and is owed a whopping $15 million in 2014 base salary. The Miami Herald has previously disputed reports that Wallace is even on the block.

Source: Jason La Canfora on Twitter

But Touchdown There said he was worth that much, so the contract shouldn't be hard to trade. An elite WR in his prime, signed to a reasonable deal - surely there are buyers. Right? RIGHT?

Excellent little tutorial for you here.

Don't fish Steeler fans (or any fanbase for that matter) and admit when your argument goes south. That's really all you had to do. Reap what you sow.

 

[Touchdown There]

Rotoworld:

According to CBS' Jason La Canfora, the Dolphins have renewed attempts to trade Mike Wallace.

It's a story that's barely even worth discussing because Wallace is nearly impossible to trade. He signed a $60 million deal a year ago and is owed a whopping $15 million in 2014 base salary. The Miami Herald has previously disputed reports that Wallace is even on the block.

Source: Jason La Canfora on Twitter

But Touchdown There said he was worth that much, so the contract shouldn't be hard to trade. An elite WR in his prime, signed to a reasonable deal - surely there are buyers. Right? RIGHT?

Excellent little tutorial for you here.

You got curbstomped.

Both of you butt buddies can learn from that tutorial. Nevermind that fact that the Steelers could not afford Mike Wallace.

It's abundantly clear that paying Wallace that much was bad business, guy. The Steelers were clearly 100% right to keep Antonio Brown for way less money. It's amusing that you keep doubling down on the wrong, though, so carry on.

It is abundantly clear you have no idea what you are talking about. The Steelers should have kept Antonio Brown. This has nothing to do with Wallace. The Steelers did not have enough to pay him.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Rotoworld:

According to CBS' Jason La Canfora, the Dolphins have renewed attempts to trade Mike Wallace.

It's a story that's barely even worth discussing because Wallace is nearly impossible to trade. He signed a $60 million deal a year ago and is owed a whopping $15 million in 2014 base salary. The Miami Herald has previously disputed reports that Wallace is even on the block.

Source: Jason La Canfora on Twitter

But Touchdown There said he was worth that much, so the contract shouldn't be hard to trade. An elite WR in his prime, signed to a reasonable deal - surely there are buyers. Right? RIGHT?

Excellent little tutorial for you here.

You got curbstomped.

Both of you butt buddies can learn from that tutorial. Nevermind that fact that the Steelers could not afford Mike Wallace.

It's abundantly clear that paying Wallace that much was bad business, guy. The Steelers were clearly 100% right to keep Antonio Brown for way less money. It's amusing that you keep doubling down on the wrong, though, so carry on.

It is abundantly clear you have no idea what you are talking about. The Steelers should have kept Antonio Brown. This has nothing to do with Wallace. The Steelers did not have enough to pay him.

The Steelers had enough to pay Mike what he is actually worth, and offered him that much. They chose to let him walk rather than make a poor fiscal decision and make him one of the highest paid WRs in the NFL like Miami did. Could Denver not afford Eric Decker? Or did they just decide that he's probably not worth the amount of money that some crappy team would throw at him in free agency? How about the Packers with Greg Jennings? Or the Seahawks with Golden Tate? Good teams generally know better than to break the bank on non-essential players -- that's why they're good.

 

[Godsbrother]

The bottom line is it was a business decision. The Steelers offered Wallace a contract for what they thought he was worth and Wallace wanted more. Miami was willing to pay what Wallace was asking and so he signed with the Dolphins.

Apparently the Dolphins are coming around to the idea that they overpaid.

 

[Shutout]

The bottom line is it was a business decision. The Steelers offered Wallace a contract for what they thought he was worth and Wallace wanted more. Miami was willing to pay what Wallace was asking and so he signed with the Dolphins.

Apparently the Dolphins are coming around to the idea that they overpaid.

I wonder if the Steeleres would have paid the asking price had they had the cap room to do so.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

The bottom line is it was a business decision. The Steelers offered Wallace a contract for what they thought he was worth and Wallace wanted more. Miami was willing to pay what Wallace was asking and so he signed with the Dolphins.

Apparently the Dolphins are coming around to the idea that they overpaid.

I wonder if the Steeleres would have paid the asking price had they had the cap room to do so.

Highly doubtful. It's not Pittsburgh's MO to overpay for anyone. They're fine with letting guys walk regardless of the cap situation at the time.

 

[Shutout]

The bottom line is it was a business decision. The Steelers offered Wallace a contract for what they thought he was worth and Wallace wanted more. Miami was willing to pay what Wallace was asking and so he signed with the Dolphins.

Apparently the Dolphins are coming around to the idea that they overpaid.

I wonder if the Steeleres would have paid the asking price had they had the cap room to do so.

Highly doubtful. It's not Pittsburgh's MO to overpay for anyone. They're fine with letting guys walk regardless of the cap situation at the time.

yeah, you're right. Seems like they used to just replace Lbers left and right and just go with the next guy up and it worked for them.

 

[FF Ninja]

I think everybody's a little bit in the wrong here. Touchdown There shouldn't have been trolling the Steelers fans. Steelers fans are (understandably) a little bit butt hurt about Wallace dogging it during his last year in Pit and let that cloud their judgment on him. Wallace and Brown are totally different WRs and should not be compared. Wallace's contract, like pretty much every single huge contract, is bad. Wallace himself is actually a really good WR. The situation in Miami could not have been worse - questionable play calling, worst offensive line in the league, uncharacteristic case of the dropsies, and bizarrely strange lack of chemistry with the QB (deep accuracy like 46% to all other WRs, like 23% to Wallace).

If the new OC does his job and the GM can find Tannehill an offensive line, I think this situation resolves itself and these discussions fade away so long as TDT can avoid trolling Steelers fans next year after every good game Wallace has. At the same time, I think Pit does just fine with Brown, Moore, and Wheaton so long as they, too, get some improved play from the o-line.

 

[Shutout]

I think everybody's a little bit in the wrong here. Touchdown There shouldn't have been trolling the Steelers fans. Steelers fans are (understandably) a little bit butt hurt about Wallace dogging it during his last year in Pit and let that cloud their judgment on him. Wallace and Brown are totally different WRs and should not be compared. Wallace's contract, like pretty much every single huge contract, is bad. Wallace himself is actually a really good WR. The situation in Miami could not have been worse - questionable play calling, worst offensive line in the league, uncharacteristic case of the dropsies, and bizarrely strange lack of chemistry with the QB (deep accuracy like 46% to all other WRs, like 23% to Wallace).

If the new OC does his job and the GM can find Tannehill an offensive line, I think this situation resolves itself and these discussions fade away so long as TDT can avoid trolling Steelers fans next year after every good game Wallace has. At the same time, I think Pit does just fine with Brown, Moore, and Wheaton so long as they, too, get some improved play from the o-line.

SOlidifying that o-line in Miami is going to be a tough chore.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

The bottom line is it was a business decision. The Steelers offered Wallace a contract for what they thought he was worth and Wallace wanted more. Miami was willing to pay what Wallace was asking and so he signed with the Dolphins.

Apparently the Dolphins are coming around to the idea that they overpaid.

I wonder if the Steeleres would have paid the asking price had they had the cap room to do so.

No chance. They could have made the cap room to match the Miami offer by cutting and/or extending other players. The Steelers do not pay more than what they believe a player is worth, no matter what. They stand by their executives, which is why the decision-makers don't feel the need to chase FAs with megabucks contracts, they're not fighting for their jobs every offseason and need immediate results. It's not rocket science, and I don't know why more teams aren't following the model.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

They could have made the cap room

100% correct.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I think everybody's a little bit in the wrong here. Touchdown There shouldn't have been trolling the Steelers fans. Steelers fans are (understandably) a little bit butt hurt about Wallace dogging it during his last year in Pit and let that cloud their judgment on him. Wallace and Brown are totally different WRs and should not be compared. Wallace's contract, like pretty much every single huge contract, is bad. Wallace himself is actually a really good WR. The situation in Miami could not have been worse - questionable play calling, worst offensive line in the league, uncharacteristic case of the dropsies, and bizarrely strange lack of chemistry with the QB (deep accuracy like 46% to all other WRs, like 23% to Wallace).

If the new OC does his job and the GM can find Tannehill an offensive line, I think this situation resolves itself and these discussions fade away so long as TDT can avoid trolling Steelers fans next year after every good game Wallace has. At the same time, I think Pit does just fine with Brown, Moore, and Wheaton so long as they, too, get some improved play from the o-line.

The position of most Steelers' fans all along was that Mike Wallace was a very good WR, and most of us would have been thrilled to see him remain a Steeler, but not on a top 5 NFL WR contract. Mike Wallace isn't worth the money that Miami is paying him -- but in this case that's not really even relevant, because there was flat out zero chance that he was getting that kind of contract from Pittsburgh, and it had zero to do with whether they could afford it against the cap or not.

 

[Godsbrother]

I think everybody's a little bit in the wrong here. Touchdown There shouldn't have been trolling the Steelers fans. Steelers fans are (understandably) a little bit butt hurt about Wallace dogging it during his last year in Pit and let that cloud their judgment on him. Wallace and Brown are totally different WRs and should not be compared. Wallace's contract, like pretty much every single huge contract, is bad. Wallace himself is actually a really good WR. The situation in Miami could not have been worse - questionable play calling, worst offensive line in the league, uncharacteristic case of the dropsies, and bizarrely strange lack of chemistry with the QB (deep accuracy like 46% to all other WRs, like 23% to Wallace).

If the new OC does his job and the GM can find Tannehill an offensive line, I think this situation resolves itself and these discussions fade away so long as TDT can avoid trolling Steelers fans next year after every good game Wallace has. At the same time, I think Pit does just fine with Brown, Moore, and Wheaton so long as they, too, get some improved play from the o-line.

The position of most Steelers' fans all along was that Mike Wallace was a very good WR, and most of us would have been thrilled to see him remain a Steeler, but not on a top 5 NFL WR contract. Mike Wallace isn't worth the money that Miami is paying him -- but in this case that's not really even relevant, because there was flat out zero chance that he was getting that kind of contract from Pittsburgh, and it had zero to do with whether they could afford it against the cap or not.

Excellent post.

The Steelers initial offer to Wallace but better than the offer to Antonio Brown but Wallace wanted top 5 money. The Steelers didn't think he was worth that kind of money so they moved on.

I would love to still have Wallace on the team and don't blame him at all for getting as much as he could in FA but I sure am glad the Steelers didn't sign him to the contract he signed with the Dolphins.

 

[Shutout]

I think everybody's a little bit in the wrong here. Touchdown There shouldn't have been trolling the Steelers fans. Steelers fans are (understandably) a little bit butt hurt about Wallace dogging it during his last year in Pit and let that cloud their judgment on him. Wallace and Brown are totally different WRs and should not be compared. Wallace's contract, like pretty much every single huge contract, is bad. Wallace himself is actually a really good WR. The situation in Miami could not have been worse - questionable play calling, worst offensive line in the league, uncharacteristic case of the dropsies, and bizarrely strange lack of chemistry with the QB (deep accuracy like 46% to all other WRs, like 23% to Wallace).

If the new OC does his job and the GM can find Tannehill an offensive line, I think this situation resolves itself and these discussions fade away so long as TDT can avoid trolling Steelers fans next year after every good game Wallace has. At the same time, I think Pit does just fine with Brown, Moore, and Wheaton so long as they, too, get some improved play from the o-line.

The position of most Steelers' fans all along was that Mike Wallace was a very good WR, and most of us would have been thrilled to see him remain a Steeler, but not on a top 5 NFL WR contract. Mike Wallace isn't worth the money that Miami is paying him -- but in this case that's not really even relevant, because there was flat out zero chance that he was getting that kind of contract from Pittsburgh, and it had zero to do with whether they could afford it against the cap or not.

Excellent post.

The Steelers initial offer to Wallace but better than the offer to Antonio Brown but Wallace wanted top 5 money. The Steelers didn't think he was worth that kind of money so they moved on.

I would love to still have Wallace on the team and don't blame him at all for getting as much as he could in FA but I sure am glad the Steelers didn't sign him to the contract he signed with the Dolphins.

Would Steelers fans rather have Wallace or Brown at the contract Brown signed? In other words, et cetirus paribus, which player would Steelers fan prefer on this team?

 

[Copeman]

I'd choose Brown each and every time. He's just a more accomplished receiver, who as an added bonus, has no drama surrounding him like Wallace craves.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I think everybody's a little bit in the wrong here. Touchdown There shouldn't have been trolling the Steelers fans. Steelers fans are (understandably) a little bit butt hurt about Wallace dogging it during his last year in Pit and let that cloud their judgment on him. Wallace and Brown are totally different WRs and should not be compared. Wallace's contract, like pretty much every single huge contract, is bad. Wallace himself is actually a really good WR. The situation in Miami could not have been worse - questionable play calling, worst offensive line in the league, uncharacteristic case of the dropsies, and bizarrely strange lack of chemistry with the QB (deep accuracy like 46% to all other WRs, like 23% to Wallace).

If the new OC does his job and the GM can find Tannehill an offensive line, I think this situation resolves itself and these discussions fade away so long as TDT can avoid trolling Steelers fans next year after every good game Wallace has. At the same time, I think Pit does just fine with Brown, Moore, and Wheaton so long as they, too, get some improved play from the o-line.

The position of most Steelers' fans all along was that Mike Wallace was a very good WR, and most of us would have been thrilled to see him remain a Steeler, but not on a top 5 NFL WR contract. Mike Wallace isn't worth the money that Miami is paying him -- but in this case that's not really even relevant, because there was flat out zero chance that he was getting that kind of contract from Pittsburgh, and it had zero to do with whether they could afford it against the cap or not.

Excellent post.The Steelers initial offer to Wallace but better than the offer to Antonio Brown but Wallace wanted top 5 money. The Steelers didn't think he was worth that kind of money so they moved on.

I would love to still have Wallace on the team and don't blame him at all for getting as much as he could in FA but I sure am glad the Steelers didn't sign him to the contract he signed with the Dolphins.

Would Steelers fans rather have Wallace or Brown at the contract Brown signed? In other words, et cetirus paribus, which player would Steelers fan prefer on this team?

A year ago, I would have said Wallace. Now? It's pretty hard to argue with what Brown did last year. Mike Wallace never sniffed those numbers, and probably never will. He's a great deep threat, and that helps an offense in a ton of ways, but he's not a guy you can funnel your passing game through. And Wallace has proven to be hugely inconsistent regardless of what team he's on or what the situation is.

 

[Touchdown There]

I sure am glad the Steelers didn't sign him to the contract he signed with the Dolphins.

I'm sure, because they were so good last year.

 

[Touchdown There]

Simple as this, the Steelers wanted to keep Wallace and they could not afford him. It was not a difference is value opinion, it was that fact that the Steelers were BROKE.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I think everybody's a little bit in the wrong here. Touchdown There shouldn't have been trolling the Steelers fans. Steelers fans are (understandably) a little bit butt hurt about Wallace dogging it during his last year in Pit and let that cloud their judgment on him. Wallace and Brown are totally different WRs and should not be compared. Wallace's contract, like pretty much every single huge contract, is bad. Wallace himself is actually a really good WR. The situation in Miami could not have been worse - questionable play calling, worst offensive line in the league, uncharacteristic case of the dropsies, and bizarrely strange lack of chemistry with the QB (deep accuracy like 46% to all other WRs, like 23% to Wallace).

If the new OC does his job and the GM can find Tannehill an offensive line, I think this situation resolves itself and these discussions fade away so long as TDT can avoid trolling Steelers fans next year after every good game Wallace has. At the same time, I think Pit does just fine with Brown, Moore, and Wheaton so long as they, too, get some improved play from the o-line.

The position of most Steelers' fans all along was that Mike Wallace was a very good WR, and most of us would have been thrilled to see him remain a Steeler, but not on a top 5 NFL WR contract. Mike Wallace isn't worth the money that Miami is paying him -- but in this case that's not really even relevant, because there was flat out zero chance that he was getting that kind of contract from Pittsburgh, and it had zero to do with whether they could afford it against the cap or not.

Excellent post.

The Steelers initial offer to Wallace but better than the offer to Antonio Brown but Wallace wanted top 5 money. The Steelers didn't think he was worth that kind of money so they moved on.

I would love to still have Wallace on the team and don't blame him at all for getting as much as he could in FA but I sure am glad the Steelers didn't sign him to the contract he signed with the Dolphins.

Would Steelers fans rather have Wallace or Brown at the contract Brown signed? In other words, et cetirus paribus, which player would Steelers fan prefer on this team?

Brown. I was asked this question a year ago and wanted to say Brown, but I waffled because I wasn't 100% sure how Brown would do against the other team's #1 corner week in and week out. He was clearly a more complete receiver, but didn't have that one all-world gamebreaking talent that Wallace had and I was confident but cautious to see how he'd do as a bonafide #1. I no longer have those concerns as Brown was twice as good last year as Wallace ever was as the #1 guy. At this point, I might rather have Brown at Wallace's money than Wallace at Brown's money. It's close. Wallace has been crap for 2 straight years now, Brown just keeps getting better and adding cool (if ultimately irrelevant) NFL records along the way to boot.

 

[Copeman]

This guy has GOT to be fishing. Yikes.

 

[Shutout]

Thanks for the replies on that ?? guys,. Its interesting because with Wallace, you have that speed that you just can't teach and it fits right in the wheel-house of the play-action, roll out stuff. And on the other hand, you have Brown who can seemingly move the chains from anywhere on the field.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Simple as this, the Steelers wanted to keep Wallace and they could not afford him. It was not a difference is value opinion, it was that fact that the Steelers were BROKE.

"For God's sake, Captain, the entire boat and the mast are now underwater ! You have to abandon ship !"

TT (clinging to the last 2 foot of crow's nest) : "Never !!! There's still hope !! Hey, what are those triangular fins circling around me?"

 

[Shutout]

This guy has GOT to be fishing. Yikes.

What guy?

If you mean me, I just ask from a football (not fantasy) position and I know a lot fo Steelers fans are in this thread. Its just an interesting option of play style to me.

 

[Copeman]

This guy has GOT to be fishing. Yikes.

What guy?

If you mean me, I just ask from a football (not fantasy) position and I know a lot fo Steelers fans are in this thread. Its just an interesting option of play style to me.

No, not you.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

This guy has GOT to be fishing. Yikes.

Either that or he's a moron who doesn't understand the meaning of BROKE. He said they were "BROKE" last year about 4 hours before they gave Antonio a $42M contract when Wallace turned down their offer.

TT walks into a store.

TT: "Sir? How much for this copy of 'Eddie Rabbitt's Greatest Hits' on 8-track?"

Clerk : "That's $9,000, sir."

TT : "That seems awfully steep."

Clerk : "It's a signed copy."

TT : "You mean Eddie himself signed it?"

Clerk : "No, my uncle Clem did. It IS signed, however."

TT : "Oh yea, I see it right there. Uncle Clem. You'd think he would have at least signed Eddie's name and not his own. Damn. Well, I don't have $9,000 in cash. I do have an ATV I haven't been on in 3 years, my collection of rare, exotic foreskins, and that book of 2-for-1 certificates to Golden Corral that my boyfriend got me for Kwanzaa. If I sell all of that stuff, I could buy it. But $9,000 seems like an awful lot for this record. You know, I think I'll pass. I'm going to hold on to the ATV and the foreskins, and I could REALLY go for some chocolate fountain action right about now."

Clerk : "You cannot afford this Eddie Rabbit album."

TT : "Well, I CAN, it's just that I only have a few hundred in my wallet at the moment...oh man, what do I do?........"

Just then, a man with orange skin and blue hair comes in to the sound of trumpets. With a booming voice he proclaims :

"I MUST HAVE THIS EDDIE RABBITT ALBUM ! 'I LOVE A RAINY NIGHT' IS A MODERN DAY CLASSIC. I WILL GIVE YOU $10,000 FOR IT !!!"

Clerk : "Well, this guy has right of first refusal...."

TT : "It's just not worth $10,000. This guy can have it."

"YOOOOOOU COULD NOT AFFORD IT, AND NOW THE EDDIE RABBIT 8-TRACK IS MINE !! MUHAHAHAHAHA !!!"

---------------------------6 months later------------------------------

"LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, STEP RIGHT UP !! ONE EDDIE RABBITT 8-TRACK IN MINT CONDITION, ONLY $9,000 !! HERE'S YOUR CHANCE TO HEAR "747" IN CRYSTAL CLEAR STEREOPHONIC SOUND. DON'T PUSH... PLEASE FORM AN ORDERLY...............line................ seriously? Anyone? No one wants this great album? Damn it......

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I think everybody's a little bit in the wrong here. Touchdown There shouldn't have been trolling the Steelers fans. Steelers fans are (understandably) a little bit butt hurt about Wallace dogging it during his last year in Pit and let that cloud their judgment on him. Wallace and Brown are totally different WRs and should not be compared. Wallace's contract, like pretty much every single huge contract, is bad. Wallace himself is actually a really good WR. The situation in Miami could not have been worse - questionable play calling, worst offensive line in the league, uncharacteristic case of the dropsies, and bizarrely strange lack of chemistry with the QB (deep accuracy like 46% to all other WRs, like 23% to Wallace).

If the new OC does his job and the GM can find Tannehill an offensive line, I think this situation resolves itself and these discussions fade away so long as TDT can avoid trolling Steelers fans next year after every good game Wallace has. At the same time, I think Pit does just fine with Brown, Moore, and Wheaton so long as they, too, get some improved play from the o-line.

The position of most Steelers' fans all along was that Mike Wallace was a very good WR, and most of us would have been thrilled to see him remain a Steeler, but not on a top 5 NFL WR contract. Mike Wallace isn't worth the money that Miami is paying him -- but in this case that's not really even relevant, because there was flat out zero chance that he was getting that kind of contract from Pittsburgh, and it had zero to do with whether they could afford it against the cap or not.

Excellent post.The Steelers initial offer to Wallace but better than the offer to Antonio Brown but Wallace wanted top 5 money. The Steelers didn't think he was worth that kind of money so they moved on.

I would love to still have Wallace on the team and don't blame him at all for getting as much as he could in FA but I sure am glad the Steelers didn't sign him to the contract he signed with the Dolphins.

Would Steelers fans rather have Wallace or Brown at the contract Brown signed? In other words, et cetirus paribus, which player would Steelers fan prefer on this team?

Brown. I was asked this question a year ago and wanted to say Brown, but I waffled because I wasn't 100% sure how Brown would do against the other team's #1 corner week in and week out. He was clearly a more complete receiver, but didn't have that one all-world gamebreaking talent that Wallace had and I was confident but cautious to see how he'd do as a bonafide #1. I no longer have those concerns as Brown was twice as good last year as Wallace ever was as the #1 guy. At this point, I might rather have Brown at Wallace's money than Wallace at Brown's money. It's close. Wallace has been crap for 2 straight years now, Brown just keeps getting better and adding cool (if ultimately irrelevant) NFL records along the way to boot.

Except Wallace has actually sucked for 2 1/2 years (and counting) at this point.

 

[B. Nugget]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but my buddy emailed me this morning that he heard a rumor that is apprently going around that if the Eagles could move DJAX for some picks, they would try to trade for Wallace.

I have no idea where he heard this, but he sent the email first thing this morning as we had been going back and forth about the DJAX thing, but I found it at least interesting to ponders since LaCanfora said yesterday that the Dolphins might be interested in trading Wallace.

Anyone else heard this rumor?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Simple as this, the Steelers wanted to keep Wallace and they could not afford him. It was not a difference is value opinion, it was that fact that the Steelers were BROKE.

Fixed.

 

[FF Ninja]

Brown. I was asked this question a year ago and wanted to say Brown, but I waffled because I wasn't 100% sure how Brown would do against the other team's #1 corner week in and week out. He was clearly a more complete receiver, but didn't have that one all-world gamebreaking talent that Wallace had and I was confident but cautious to see how he'd do as a bonafide #1. I no longer have those concerns as Brown was twice as good last year as Wallace ever was as the #1 guy. At this point, I might rather have Brown at Wallace's money than Wallace at Brown's money. It's close. Wallace has been crap for 2 straight years now, Brown just keeps getting better and adding cool (if ultimately irrelevant) NFL records along the way to boot.

See... that's taking it a bit far. Wallace never approached anything close to 166 targets from Roethlisberger. I'm arguing the counterpoint here, but before I go any further, let me make it clear that I do like Brown. I snagged him in several leagues last year and really enjoyed watching Ben lock in on him, but what he got last year, Wallace never got. Brown put up a respectable 13.6 ypr, but nothing near what Wallace had done with Ben under a different system. He also only managed 8 TDs on 110 receptions, a number Wallace matched or beat in his last 3 seasons in Pit on 72 rec or less. Wallace really might reach that 15 TD total he was talking about last year if he ever caught the ball 110 times.

These two players, despite being of similar stature, are totally different WRs. As good as Brown is, I think there are quite a few guys that could do what he does in that system, but Wallace has a more rare skill set. But this is a what have you done lately league and Wallace just has a horrible year while Brown had a career year...

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Wallace never approached anything close to 166 targets from Roethlisberger..

Nor should he have. His ability doesn't come anywhere near utilizing the full route tree.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Brown. I was asked this question a year ago and wanted to say Brown, but I waffled because I wasn't 100% sure how Brown would do against the other team's #1 corner week in and week out. He was clearly a more complete receiver, but didn't have that one all-world gamebreaking talent that Wallace had and I was confident but cautious to see how he'd do as a bonafide #1. I no longer have those concerns as Brown was twice as good last year as Wallace ever was as the #1 guy. At this point, I might rather have Brown at Wallace's money than Wallace at Brown's money. It's close. Wallace has been crap for 2 straight years now, Brown just keeps getting better and adding cool (if ultimately irrelevant) NFL records along the way to boot.

See... that's taking it a bit far. Wallace never approached anything close to 166 targets from Roethlisberger. I'm arguing the counterpoint here, but before I go any further, let me make it clear that I do like Brown. I snagged him in several leagues last year and really enjoyed watching Ben lock in on him, but what he got last year, Wallace never got. Brown put up a respectable 13.6 ypr, but nothing near what Wallace had done with Ben under a different system. He also only managed 8 TDs on 110 receptions, a number Wallace matched or beat in his last 3 seasons in Pit on 72 rec or less. Wallace really might reach that 15 TD total he was talking about last year if he ever caught the ball 110 times.

These two players, despite being of similar stature, are totally different WRs. As good as Brown is, I think there are quite a few guys that could do what he does in that system, but Wallace has a more rare skill set. But this is a what have you done lately league and Wallace just has a horrible year while Brown had a career year...

Mike Wallace isn't a guy who is ever going to be effective if asked to do what Brown did last year. And vice versa, of course -- Brown isn't a deep blazer who can take the top off of a defense like Wallace can. Wallace's concentration, particularly in traffic, has ALWAYS been inconsistent at best -- he's never going to be the guy making contested catches to move the chains on 3rd and 6, or the guy who will catch a 10 yard in in front of a LB or SS on a regular basis. Brown is more elusive with the ball in his hands, and far more of a technician as a route runner. But Wallace has the best vertical speed of any WR in the NFL, and that's a more rare commodity. But also more of a luxury, IMO.

 

[Godsbrother]

I sure am glad the Steelers didn't sign him to the contract he signed with the Dolphins.

I'm sure, because they were so good last year.

And so were the Dolphins. Wallace was definitely the missing puzzle piece.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Brown. I was asked this question a year ago and wanted to say Brown, but I waffled because I wasn't 100% sure how Brown would do against the other team's #1 corner week in and week out. He was clearly a more complete receiver, but didn't have that one all-world gamebreaking talent that Wallace had and I was confident but cautious to see how he'd do as a bonafide #1. I no longer have those concerns as Brown was twice as good last year as Wallace ever was as the #1 guy. At this point, I might rather have Brown at Wallace's money than Wallace at Brown's money. It's close. Wallace has been crap for 2 straight years now, Brown just keeps getting better and adding cool (if ultimately irrelevant) NFL records along the way to boot.

See... that's taking it a bit far. Wallace never approached anything close to 166 targets from Roethlisberger. I'm arguing the counterpoint here, but before I go any further, let me make it clear that I do like Brown. I snagged him in several leagues last year and really enjoyed watching Ben lock in on him, but what he got last year, Wallace never got. Brown put up a respectable 13.6 ypr, but nothing near what Wallace had done with Ben under a different system. He also only managed 8 TDs on 110 receptions, a number Wallace matched or beat in his last 3 seasons in Pit on 72 rec or less. Wallace really might reach that 15 TD total he was talking about last year if he ever caught the ball 110 times.

These two players, despite being of similar stature, are totally different WRs. As good as Brown is, I think there are quite a few guys that could do what he does in that system, but Wallace has a more rare skill set. But this is a what have you done lately league and Wallace just has a horrible year while Brown had a career year...

You also have to consider that Wallace didn't get as many targets because he couldn't/didn't do much other than run 9 routes. There's a reason Tomlin was always calling him a "one trick pony." Brown is a far more polished/complete route runner.

 

[matttyl]

I'll ask again, who would you rather have on your dynasty team at the backend of your roster (not as a starter) - Wallace or Terrance Williams? I'm starting to lean Williams as in 2 years when I'd need either to be a potential starter, what's Wallace going to be doing?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Terrance Williams

Austin left town. Then Williams. But Im looking at 1-3 years.

TW looked very impressive and Romo flings the pigskin like crazy. Mike needs to find a place to fit in as well as he did in Pittsburgh. But that could still be Miami, as Tannehill is young and improving with a strong arm. Problem is he is very malcontented.

 

[Touchdown There]

I love how all the anti-Wallace fools are Steelers fans butt hurt that he would not give them a hometown discount.

 

[irish eyes]

I love how all the anti-Wallace fools are Steelers fans butt hurt that he would not give them a hometown discount.

Not sure what you're talking about because almost every steeler fan was glad to see him go and not see them WASTE $ on him. He couldn't catch a cold his last year there. The correct statement would be pro-wallace fools for anyone that wanted him.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

You got butt raped in this whole fiasco. oof.

Seek help, the womens shelter offers counseling for such traumatic occurrences.

 

[SWC]

touchdown three man are you angry about something maybe you picked mike wallace in a fantasy announcer draft and realized that bam it was not the right mike wallace and now every time you watch the news it makes you sad you just seem so angry brohan but even though i know you are trying to make people mad if you are having a bad day the people around here a good folk and will probably help you out if you need some help hell i bet most of the guys around here even the guys from pittstown would give you the shert off of there back if you really needed it so let us know if we can help you out and help you feel better one other thing you might want to thilnk about is getting in to a hobby like model railroading it does not seem very glamorous at first but you can make whatever you want so like for me when i made a town i would have my house there and it would have nothing but 75 chargers parked in the driveway all of them black on black and maybe one with flames and a blower so you could do the same thing and who knows a guy like you is probably in to minivans or something so you would have a house with about 9 aerostars out front and then bam when you are feeling the blues when the news come on about taking the wrong mike wallace you can go down in the basement and check out your minature parking lot of aerostars and be like bam you know life is pretty great so hey just one to grown on brohan and take that to the bank bromigso

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I love how all the anti-Wallace fools are Steelers fans butt hurt that he would not give them a hometown discount. mailed it in for a season and a half and then demanded more money than he was worth.

Numbers don't lie. If he was worth that contract, the Dolphins wouldn't be shopping him, plain and simple.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I love how all the anti-Wallace fools are Steelers fans butt hurt that he would not give them a hometown discount. mailed it in for a season and a half and then demanded more money than he was worth.

Numbers don't lie. If he was worth that contract, the Dolphins wouldn't be shopping him, plain and simple.

Don't distract him here, guy. He's busy outing himself as a racist in the DeSean Jackson release thread.

 

[Touchdown There]

I love how all the anti-Wallace fools are Steelers fans butt hurt that he would not give them a hometown discount.

Not sure what you're talking about because almost every steeler fan was glad to see him go and not see them WASTE $ on him. He couldn't catch a cold his last year there. The correct statement would be pro-wallace fools for anyone that wanted him.

Thanks for proving my point. I searched your threads and you post in Steelers game day threads and off season threads. Looks like you are a butt hurt fan.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I love how all the anti-Wallace fools are Steelers fans butt hurt that he would not give them a hometown discount. mailed it in for a season and a half and then demanded more money than he was worth.

Numbers don't lie. If he was worth that contract, the Dolphins wouldn't be shopping him, plain and simple.

Don't distract him here, guy. He's busy outing himself as a racist in the DeSean Jackson release thread.

On my way....

 

[irish eyes]

I love how all the anti-Wallace fools are Steelers fans butt hurt that he would not give them a hometown discount.

Not sure what you're talking about because almost every steeler fan was glad to see him go and not see them WASTE $ on him. He couldn't catch a cold his last year there. The correct statement would be pro-wallace fools for anyone that wanted him.

Thanks for proving my point. I searched your threads and you post in Steelers game day threads and off season threads. Looks like you are a butt hurt fan.

Oohh you got me there, dope. And what's with all of this butt hurt stuff. I think you may to start your own private thread for that stuff. NTTATWWT

 

[Touchdown There]

I think you may to start your own private thread for that stuff. NTTATWWT

I think you may to study up on grammar for that stuff. ABCDEFGH