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Bandwagon Image - How Racist / Inappropriate? (1 Viewer)
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cheese
Footballguy
It’s not inappropriate and if someone had a problem with it, they’d surely be the kind of customer you could do without anyway.
Zow
Footballguy
I voted 3.![[scooter]](/data/avatars/m/22/22287.jpg?1659477690){kind=avatar}
[scooter]
Footballguy
What's the upside of losing the business of those customers, though?
It seems to me that there's zero possibility that the picture increases revenue. But there is a "greater than zero" possibility of decreasing revenue.
So why take the risk if there's no upside?
I mean, I suppose I could understand Joe making some kind of moral stand if he was defending a picture of something that defined his core values. But taking a stand in the name of "making fun of poor people" seems like a weird hill to die on.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Not inappropriate and not racist. It's a picture of reality. Deal with it.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
If it was a bunch of whiteys in the back of a pick-up that had a shotgun in the rear window, would that be racist? I really don't get whats going on in this world anymore.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Thanks for the discussion and the feedback.
Some of you have hit on the reasoning why I chose not to include it in Random Shots.
I felt like it was making a joke at the expense of poor or struggling people. And that seemed uncool.
Some of you have hit on the reasoning why I chose not to include it in Random Shots.
I felt like it was making a joke at the expense of poor or struggling people. And that seemed uncool.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
bigmarc27
Footballguy
So I guess where do you decide the line is drawn. Just a quick look at your “best of” shows week 4 having a picture of Troy Aikman with the caption “Reminder: Troy Aikman looks like white Jay Z” as well as a picture of Jesus photoshopped with Baker Mayfield’s head.
Deciding where the line is drawn is for sure the question.
As to how I decide, that's a good question too. I think it mostly is a gut feel.
And mostly it's a "is it ok to make a joke at the expense of _______?"
Aikman as Jay-Z or elevating Mayfield or Trubisky to Jesus status doesn't feel like it's over the line. Does it to you?
bigmarc27
Footballguy
None of this does to me, but for instance I can easily see a huge contingent of people not wanting their messiah as a basis for promoting a QB.
I also wonder if there isn't an element of "my side" in these.
I think as someone who likes Aikman and Jay-Z and is also a Christian, I may feel more liberty to make a Aikman/Jay-Z or Mayfield as Jesus joke.
In other words, because I'm a Christian, I'd be way less comfortable making a Muslim joke than I would a Christian joke. I wonder if that's normal?
I think as someone who likes Aikman and Jay-Z and is also a Christian, I may feel more liberty to make a Aikman/Jay-Z or Mayfield as Jesus joke.
In other words, because I'm a Christian, I'd be way less comfortable making a Muslim joke than I would a Christian joke. I wonder if that's normal?
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Buddy Ball 2K3
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pantherclub
Footballguy
Oh come on Joe. This is ridiculous
shadyridr
Footballguy
I don't understand this perspective. The joke is about Eagles fans using a picture a of an overloaded truck. It does not make fun or say anything about poor or struggling people. If it did not have the Eagles referenced and alluded to people going to work or something specific about the people in the picture in some way I could understand someone having an issue.
This is clearly a jab at Eagles fans only using a random picture. I just don't see how this is at the "expense" of poor or struggling people.
Not saying anyone is Muslim. Saying for anyone I'd be way less comfortable making a Muslim joke than I would a Christian joke.
TLEF316
Footballguy
The "joke" is "Look at what these people are doing"
its not "Look at what these BLACK people are doing"
Not even a little racist. IMO, anyone who thinks so is going out of their way to find racism.
I do agree that to some extent, this is sort of mocking poor people. So I guess maybe you could argue that that's not cool and sort of inappropriate. But I still think that's a stretch.
I really hate that this is where we are in 2018.
its not "Look at what these BLACK people are doing"
Not even a little racist. IMO, anyone who thinks so is going out of their way to find racism.
I do agree that to some extent, this is sort of mocking poor people. So I guess maybe you could argue that that's not cool and sort of inappropriate. But I still think that's a stretch.
I really hate that this is where we are in 2018.
It's mocking Eagle fans. I really don't understand the insinuation that it is mocking poor people. Its a lot of people on a truck. If there was no captions or comment it would just be a picture of people on a truck. Nothing negative or positive or problematic. It is what it is.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Again, i think its a stretch. But I dont think simply adding an eagles logo to the truck eliminates what's "funny" (I use that loosely, as I dont think its all that humorous) about the original picture.
belljr
Footballguy
I'm dead serious about this pic
https://i1.wp.com/www.kawaiikakkoiisugoi.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/tokyo-Japan-subway-crowd.jpg?resize=475%2C340&ssl=1
Do you find this one offensive if you find the first one offensive?
https://i1.wp.com/www.kawaiikakkoiisugoi.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/tokyo-Japan-subway-crowd.jpg?resize=475%2C340&ssl=1
Do you find this one offensive if you find the first one offensive?
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
As for them being poor? I have no idea about their economic standing. I know that I have done the clown car routine numerous times in my life and I sure wouldn't consider myself or the people I was with to be poor.
This comes off as a Wolf Blitzer take. "So poor, and so black."
I don't think the picture by itself is funny. It's just a picture of a crowded truck. I do see where adding the bandwagon shtick can be considered humorous (I agree that it is minimally funny). I just don't understand why the picture is "mocking poor people".
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
of course, poor yellow people that are forced to take mass transit instead of being driven around by their chauffeur.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Van Dyman
Footballguy
I would think business owners like Joe want to win/lose customers based on the merit of the actual product. Anything that makes them think less of your company for other reasons (besides the product) is an unforced error, no?
ETA: nevermind, someone covered this already
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
Foosball God
Foos
This, I don't think there is anything racist about it, but probably not appropriate with the current migration situation at the border. At another time I probably wouldn't think it was even inappropriate.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Lmao
When i was in my religious cult i would struggle with lines all the time. So i can empathize with Joe in terms of what is acceptable and what is not, despite how ridiculous it may seem to others.
Has anyone complained about the black eye logo yet and how it can be symbolic of violence in domestic abuse or bullying?
When i was in my religious cult i would struggle with lines all the time. So i can empathize with Joe in terms of what is acceptable and what is not, despite how ridiculous it may seem to others.
Has anyone complained about the black eye logo yet and how it can be symbolic of violence in domestic abuse or bullying?
Atomic Punk
Footballguy
Voted 1. I cannot fathom how this is either racist or inappropriate. Just like the subway pic above or a picture of a bunch of white people stuck in traffic on the freeway or pouring on to a bus/train, this is simply a bunch of people using the transportation available to them in their town. If you have travelled at all in Central America (and I would assume many other places), this is a common and legitimate form of transportation. These are likely not "poor people". These are just people heading off to work, the market, etc., based on my experience in some countries.
I would go as far as saying that the suggestion that this picture is racist/inappropriate is more racist/inappropriate than the picture itself.
I would go as far as saying that the suggestion that this picture is racist/inappropriate is more racist/inappropriate than the picture itself.
[scooter]
Footballguy
"Look at these people who are too poor to afford proper transportation"
That's a joke to you?
[scooter]
Footballguy
It might be standard transportation for the area. Hell, it might be the only available transportation for the area for all I know. And if that's the case, it's a sad fact. But that's not something that I would ever revel in. And it would make me think less of any person or business who thought it would be funny to laugh at someone else's economic hardship.
But the point of this was not to laugh at someone else's economic hardship. You can take a picture of anything and if captioned cleverly it can make you laugh. It doesn't mean you are actually laughing at some perceived hardship depicted by an out of context picture.
It might be standard transportation for the area. Hell, it might be the only available transportation for the area for all I know. And if that's the case, it's a sad fact. But that's not something that I would ever revel in. And it would make me think less of any person or business who thought it would be funny to laugh at someone else's economic hardship.
This picture with the caption is to bring attention to the fact the Eagles were playing poorly and now are playing good. It has absolutely nothing to do with the actual picture itself or the perceived hardship shown. Saying this is inappropriate because of some perceived hardship of the base picture is taking a giant leap that isn't necessary and shouldn't be done. It is looking too hard for a problem that isn't there.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Did you not see the parenthesis around joke? (Or my other post where I said I didn't think it was very humorous)
Atomic Punk
Footballguy
It is all perspective. I'm sure some of the folks on that truck would be laughing their asses off at Americans spending two hours on a freeway in rush hour or crammed into a subway like sardines. It's not a "sad fact" ... it is just reality for those parts of the world. Neither better nor worse than being sardined into a subway car.
It might be standard transportation for the area. Hell, it might be the only available transportation for the area for all I know. And if that's the case, it's a sad fact. But that's not something that I would ever revel in. And it would make me think less of any person or business who thought it would be funny to laugh at someone else's economic hardship.
[scooter]
Footballguy
Really? Pictures of Holocaust survivors can be funny to you if only someone could come up with the right caption?
How about pictures of car accident victims? Is that potentially funny to you also?
Have you ever had a friend or relative that died of cancer? How about a picture of them at their worst, just as they were about to die. You can find humor in that?
Come on.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
They're carrying bundles with them, which makes it pretty clear that they're traveling for the long haul and are crowding aboard a truck out of necessity, not choice.
They're also wearing a lot of clothes, which means that either it's cold and they're exposed to the elements or it's hot and they're wearing layers as an easy way to transport their clothing. .
2 or 3 sounds right- maybe a little insensitive towards the poor but that's about it, not racist.
Also go Vikings.
rockaction
Footballguy
I think we need to step away from the keyboards and take it easy. This is getting awfully heated and personal over a decision we had nothing to do with.
rockaction
Footballguy
Or going to a market.
And I think it's a pretty insensitive joke, as I think it's hard to laugh at being packed in like that to dilapidated vehicles. I voted seven, actually, and I don't care that other people aren't getting the same vibe I'm getting out of it.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Those would be exceptions and I should have said most. Sorry for the oversight. It doesn't change my point that most things can be used out of context to get a laugh.
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DallasDMac
Footballguy
Wow, there are some seriously high strung people on this site.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
If anyone can find me a picture of clearly white, middle/upper class people stuffed shoulder to shoulder on the back of a vehicle, I'll accept that. But a quick Google search of "people on back of truck" just shows minorities and/or poverty stricken. This is just a case of meme creators working with what pictures are available out on the web.
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