Banning TikTok / WeChat (1 Viewer)

[JAA]

Those are all American companies.  None of them are owned by "the State" like TikTok and WeChat are.  The Chinese military has complete access to all of that data.

Sorry to quote a 3-day old post but...could you post a link for that? What is the evidence that shows the Chinese military has access to that data? 

FTR: I'm not defending TikTok. I hate TikTok, because it seems stupid IMO.

There is no link.  There is no proof.

However, we know Facebook would provide data to the US govt so we assume the same.

 

[Gr00vus]

This seems like it's pretty blatantly illegal. Any Constitutional scholar types have a perspective on whether this is allowed / not allowed under the Constitution?

 

[KarmaPolice]

do you know why I don't go to bars or restaurants that allow smoking?

they smoke there - and I don't want to deal with it

I don't demand that they all conform to how I want things done, I simply don't go there. See how easy it is ?

Arent you very much for the government telling women what they can do with their bodies though? 

 

[RCon]

do you know why I don't go to bars or restaurants that allow smoking?

they smoke there - and I don't want to deal with it

I don't demand that they all conform to how I want things done, I simply don't go there. See how easy it is ?

So just don't use TikTok.  Don't demand that government conform to how you want things done.

 

[dawgtrails]

So just don't use TikTok.  Don't demand that government conform to how you want things done.

But what about the kids? It takes a village you know

 

[Stealthycat]

I don't get it. Whether or not they can't prove there will be no security risk is a completely separate issue from who owns it...isn't it?  Either they can or can't prove there's no security risk. It is a matter of allowing someone we trust to review the source code in a manner that TikTok will allow (protecting their proprietary algorithms).  Who owns it has no effect as far as I know. The technical/security issue would not seem to be dependent on Oracle/Walmart owning a piece of TikTok. Something smells fishy here.

sounds like deal making but if they just outright banned everyone would be mad, if they did nothing, everyone would be mad that the Govt allowed such a thing ... so Trump administration is making a deal

the depths nobody knows yet - maybe he's making deals for his buddies I don't know .... it is what people do, even Presidents. Remember Solyndra? Remember the sweet Ukraine deals Biden's son got ? that's not new you know

 

[Stealthycat]

So just don't use TikTok.  Don't demand that government conform to how you want things done.

do you take that belief on child porn ? don't download it or look at it but don't demand the Govt comform to your views ?

 

[RCon]

do you take that belief on child porn ? don't download it or look at it but don't demand the Govt comform to your views ?

Can you articulate for me how TikTok is like child porn?  In fact, can you articulate for me how TikTok is somehow dangerous to children, or at least more dangerous to children than YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, Hangouts, WhatsApp, and Pinterest?  As far as I know, you're not calling for any of those to be banned.  If you want to ban something, you should at least be able to make a cogent argument regarding why, other than "But China!!!!!"

 

[Stealthycat]

Can you articulate for me how TikTok is like child porn?  In fact, can you articulate for me how TikTok is somehow dangerous to children, or at least more dangerous to children than YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, Hangouts, WhatsApp, and Pinterest?  As far as I know, you're not calling for any of those to be banned.  If you want to ban something, you should at least be able to make a cogent argument regarding why, other than "But China!!!!!"

I didn't investigate it in depth (nor did you) ... the Fed Govt has and they've concerned

As comparisons to YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, Hangouts, WhatsApp, and Pinterest those are good questions and i'd be fine with looking into all of them and the data mining they do with under age kids cell phones and accounts wouldn't you ?

I never said " but China"

I also never said " like porn" as far as the application, I meant that Federal banning of things is ok sometimes when they are obvious dangers to our citizens.

You don't trust that our Govt is making the right decision here. That's ok. It doesn't mean you're right though. Maybe they're right spot on with it. Maybe everyone against this move is also just anti-Trump and looking to hate for any reason they can find ?

Obama did some ban's too - how did you feel then ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2300518/Obama-BANS-U-S-government-buying-Chinese-technology-cyber-attack-fears.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-blocks-chinese-bid-for-technology-firm-aixtron-1480716287

 

[RCon]

I didn't investigate it in depth (nor did you) ... the Fed Govt has and they've concerned

My comment to the federal government would then be "make the argument".  They haven't made an argument regarding why TikTok is dangerous or more dangerous than the other apps I mentioned.  It's simply been "but China!!"

Edit to add: Actually, I'm in IT for a living, including security topics.  I am pretty well versed in this stuff.

 

[Stealthycat]

My comment to the federal government would then be "make the argument".  They haven't made an argument regarding why TikTok is dangerous or more dangerous than the other apps I mentioned.  It's simply been "but China!!"

Edit to add: Actually, I'm in IT for a living, including security topics.  I am pretty well versed in this stuff.

I've not seen "Its China!!" except anti-Trump people saying it

The Fed Govt doesn't have to prove every little move they make to citizens. They are elected to (hopefully) make moves in our best interest without explaining every move - that's the a core of having  a Republic with a Democratic process isn't it ?

You can disagree with the TikTok deal if you'd like ... that's your right.

 

[Van Dyman]

I didn't investigate it in depth (nor did you) ... the Fed Govt has and they've concerned

As comparisons to YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, Hangouts, WhatsApp, and Pinterest those are good questions and i'd be fine with looking into all of them and the data mining they do with under age kids cell phones and accounts wouldn't you ?

I never said " but China"

I also never said " like porn" as far as the application, I meant that Federal banning of things is ok sometimes when they are obvious dangers to our citizens.

You don't trust that our Govt is making the right decision here. That's ok. It doesn't mean you're right though. Maybe they're right spot on with it. Maybe everyone against this move is also just anti-Trump and looking to hate for any reason they can find ?

Obama did some ban's too - how did you feel then ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2300518/Obama-BANS-U-S-government-buying-Chinese-technology-cyber-attack-fears.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-blocks-chinese-bid-for-technology-firm-aixtron-1480716287

I know you were responding to somone else's message, but thought I'd comment on this post.

That first link wasn't just Obama doing something on his own. That was a spending bill passed in the House of Representatives, in response to a specific "aggressive hacking campaign on American businesses by a Chinese military unit." And, despite the headline, it didn't completely ban anything but did require US companies who wanted to buy that Chinese technology to go through a clearance procedure with the FBI. I don't think this is an apples-to-apples comparison to Trump's "deal making".

That second one seems to have been recommended by the Treasury department. They at least stated their reason as "The national security risk posed by the transaction relates, among other things, to the military applications of the overall technical body of knowledge and experience of Aixtron, a producer and innovator of semiconductor manufacturing equipment and technology, and the contribution of Aixtron’s U.S. business to that body of knowledge and experience,” said the Treasury Department, which oversees CFIUS, in a statement." I'm not seeing anything like that with the Tik Tok thing, but haven't followed it closely enough to be sure.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

I think we can all  agree that it sure is nice that Walmart and big tech has gotten a handout.  Here I'm worried about feeding my children and making the rent payment.

 

[Gr00vus]

In the end, us citizens will just be trading one backdoor for another - at the urging of Republican Senators.

 

[BoltBacker]

why are you in my personal space to begin with ? where is YOUR responsibility in not being around other people ? STAY AT HOME if you're so concerned about your health and you won't have to worry about how anyone is wearing a facemask for being 5 foot 11 inches from you vs 6 feet etc

my concern isn't adults downloading - its kids

Well, that's pretty much waving the white flag in any conversation isn't it? "But, but when will people start thinking about the CHILDREN!?" That's satire from the 90's. But I'll play along. If you leave children alone with a hunting rifle.... is that a good thing? A kitchen knife? Bleach? A burner on your stove? If only Trump cared about children he would outlaw ALL of these things. Or, you know, we could just have adults that were responsible for the safety and well being of children. As a placeholder for now let's call those adults "parents".

As far as YOUR views on public health weren't YOU the guy that said this whole covid thing was overblown back in March? That was ~200k U.S. deaths ago. If that doesn't convince you then you are so deep into your anti-science, or flat-earther, or whatever the facebook group calls itself nobody from the "outside" is going to convince you of anything different than what YOU "know".

 

[RCon]

I've not seen "Its China!!" except anti-Trump people saying it

The Fed Govt doesn't have to prove every little move they make to citizens. They are elected to (hopefully) make moves in our best interest without explaining every move - that's the a core of having  a Republic with a Democratic process isn't it ?

You can disagree with the TikTok deal if you'd like ... that's your right.

The seems to be an explicit approval of the right of the executive branch, without legislative concurrence, to "ban" anything it wants, at any time, without explanation.  I suppose that's fine if you feel that way.  Personally, I disagree.

 

[JAA]

TikTok says the Trump administration has forgotten about trying to ban it, would like to know what’s up