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Barry "Quiter" Sanders (1 Viewer)

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Sonny,I am actually quite certain that his retirement had to do with his gambling.HERD
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Yes- he gambled that he was going to have his own credit card and a book someday to make millions off of the Barry gang. BTW Herd I feel honored to be in your sig now but as you can see by my sig- you can try but you cannot catch the PM! :wacko:
 
quit·ter ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kwtr)n. One who gives up easily. [buy it]Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth EditionCopyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. quitter\Quit"ter\, n. 1. One who quits.2. A deliverer. [Obs.] --Ainsworth.Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc. quittern : a person who gives up too easilySource: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

 
Maybe you should go back to the free for all and spread more of your govt BS around. LOL at the guys that want to maybe have a discussion regardless of opinion? Get a life dude. Try a little something in the world besides tickling yourself with your schmaltz!
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Someone's grumpy.Want a cuddle?Here's an article you find interesting and even more isolated.http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylc=X3oD...night&type=lgns
Ex-running back resolves differences with Lions CURT SYLVESTER FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITERFour years after leaving them in the lurch, Barry Sanders went the final mile Tuesday to make peace with the Lions. Sanders declared his appreciation to owner William Clay Ford, announced his interest in rejoining the team -- perhaps in community relations, working with youth football -- and explained the thinking behind his unexpected retirement hours before the start of training camp in 1999. And if there were any residual hard feelings toward the once-dazzling running back who quit 1,458 yards shy of the NFL's all-time rushing record, you wouldn't have known it from the reception he got at Ford Field. President Matt Millen, executive vice president Tom Lewand and senior vice president Bill Keenist served as the welcoming committee at Sanders' first news conference in Detroit since his retirement. Millen welcomed back Sanders with glowing praise. "The best running back I've ever seen, bar none," Millen said. Sanders answered questions from reporters in a 45-minute session, unusually long for him. Why now? "It took awhile to really come to terms with what I wanted to do and how I wanted to say it," Sanders said. "I'm not a person that just speaks about certain things in the heat of the moment. Sometimes it's good to let time pass and be able to reflect on things." And -- Sanders didn't deny it -- he has a book on the market, and he hopes it sells. "Partly, yeah, I'm here because I just wrote a book," he said. "That's what you do when you write a book. But trust me, if it was truly for the sake of enterprise, I could have done it a lot of different ways that would have been a lot more interesting but not necessarily reflect who I am." Although team officials had insisted they considered Sanders part of the Lions family despite his abrupt departure, some hurdles had to be cleared before they could re-establish a relationship. Most of that was completed in a meeting between Sanders and owner William Clay Ford at the Allen Park practice facility. Until then, Sanders had stayed away from the Lions after playing 10 seasons and rushing for 15,269 yards, third-most in NFL history. Sanders and Ford apparently had a warm meeting, but the Lions already had agreed to host the Sanders news conference and sell his book online and at their Ford Field shops. And the team had decided to welcome him back with open arms despite Sanders' criticism of former executive vice president Chuck Schmidt in the book "Barry Sanders: Now You See Him. . . . " Obviously, the Lions didn't want to get caught in the awkward position of giving Sanders the cold shoulder on his way to the Pro Football Hall of Fame next summer. And Tuesday's developments seemed to cement the team-player relationship. The Lions are expected to have a Barry Sanders Day next season, when he would be presented his Hall of Fame ring, assuming he's elected to the Hall as a first-ballot inductee. "That's one of the things I've spoken with Matt and Mr. Ford about," Sanders said. "(They're) going to look to do something next year. Yeah, I'll be here." Sanders missed his induction into the Michigan Sports Hall of Fame, but he reacted with surprise when asked if he would attend the Pro Football Hall of Fame induction in Canton, Ohio. "You've got to be joking," he said. "Will I show up? I'm sure I won't have anything on my schedule that day that will prevent me from going down there." Sanders explained why he missed the Michigan ceremonies. "I was in Oklahoma doing some business there," he said. "I didn't know if I was going to be able to get back here, and I felt it was more important to be there at the time. I wish I could have made it, but that was pretty much it." Neither did Sanders back off his stance that Schmidt had mishandled contract dealings with center Kevin Glover and others, allowing them to leave. Sanders said he did not go to management with his concerns because "my first priority as a player is to play. I knew there were problems I thought were there. There were certain people in the organization making decisions I had questions about. "I mention in my book Kevin Glover pulled me aside in the '97 season and said he was pretty sure he wouldn't be here for the '98 season because Chuck Schmidt was going to see to it he's not here." Sanders said that after the final game of 1998, he thought he wouldn't be back and sobbed in front of his locker. So why didn't he tell coach Bobby Ross or his teammates he wouldn't be back? "It was a monumental decision, and at times I didn't know if I was going to go through with it, honestly," he said. "I knew that's what I felt I needed to do, but it took me awhile to come to terms with exactly how
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quit·ter ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kwtr)n. One who gives up easily. [buy it]Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth EditionCopyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. quitter\Quit"ter\, n. 1. One who quits.2. A deliverer. [Obs.] --Ainsworth.Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc. quittern : a person who gives up too easilySource: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University
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So why did you type Quiter?
 
From Doug Drinens site

http://www.profootball-reference.com/playe...rs/SandBa00.htm

Rushing | Receiving |

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| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

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| 1989 det | 15 | 280 1470 5.2 14 | 24 282 11.8 0 |

| 1990 det | 16 | 255 1304 5.1 13 | 36 480 13.3 3 |

| 1991 det | 15 | 342 1548 4.5 16 | 41 307 7.5 1 |

| 1992 det | 16 | 312 1352 4.3 9 | 29 225 7.8 1 |

| 1993 det | 11 | 243 1115 4.6 3 | 36 205 5.7 0 |

| 1994 det | 16 | 331 1883 5.7 7 | 44 283 6.4 1 |

| 1995 det | 16 | 314 1500 4.8 11 | 48 398 8.3 1 |

| 1996 det | 16 | 307 1553 5.1 11 | 24 147 6.1 0 |

| 1997 det | 16 | 335 2053 6.1 11 | 33 305 9.2 3 |

| 1998 det | 16 | 343 1491 4.3 4 | 37 289 7.8 0 |

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| TOTAL | 153 | 3062 15269 5.0 99 | 352 2921 8.3 10 |

He averaged 11 TDs a year, that's impressive.

His fantasy data

Year Value Pos. Rank Overall Rank

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1989 139 4 5

1990 150 1 3

1991 169 1 1

1992 108 7 9

1993 38 16 31

1994 137 2 5

1995 122 3 8

1996 111 5 9

1997 188 1 1

1998 75 10 16

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I am a life-long Lions fan. I loved to watch Barry run, he was the most exciting back in the NFL. He could break one at any given time. I also feel it's a given that he belongs in the HOF. Saying all this, I still have a bad taste about what he did. It's not that he retired, it's HOW he retired. If he knew during his last game the year before he retired that it was over, retire THEN. Don't screw your teammates by doing it on the eve of training camp. He doesn't owe anything to his fans, but opening the lines of communication with the Lions, doing press conferences and interviews nowjust seems like a weak-### ploy to sell more of his books. And this LIONS FAN will not be buying it. Part of it is pure selfishness on wanting him to play, and I would have been disapointed no matter how he retired. But I could've at least respected him if it had been done at the proper time, with the proper notice to avoid screwing his team like he did. Put it this way, can you imagine Stevie Y doing that to the Wings?

 
Sonny, regarding the Jordan gambling allegation...

There is certainly a whole lot of "he said, she said" going on, and to try and convince anyone of what I believe is going to certainly make people give me a hard time. As a result, I'll simply put out there what I know first hand, and what I believe. I certainly don't expect others to believe me. Thats fine. Here we go..

My father owns a small company in Texas. In the 80's and '90s, he had an employee (who was also a family friend) who was married to a young man (a police officer) with 2 sisters. The man's two sisters were married to Jeff Malone and Moses Malone (since divorced) at the time of the first Jordan retirement. When Jordan abruptly retired, the quick word in the NBA community was "they told him to take a walk for a year and a half and if he did so gracefully, there'd be no mention of the fact that he gambles on sports." Not on the NBA, but on sports. I think the idea from the NBA was that Jordan was certainly too valuable to the league to destroy by making a big deal out of it, however they couldn't let that door open.

David Stern is no idiot, he's a marketing genius, and he realized that bringing Jordan down would bring down the league he'd built up into an empire. As a result, Jordan left for a season and a half but remained employeed by the Chicago Bulls, in the form of playing baseball.

Suspension over, Jordan returns, everybodys happy.

But like I said, a lot of "hear-say", so I don't expect everybody to pile on believing me. I happen to believe that (a) Michael Jordan gambled and that got him suspended in his prime and (b) Michael Jordan never beat a dominant big man in the playoffs. Ewing doesn't count, and the one time Jordan had to play a dominant big man, he lost to Shaq's Orlando Magic. I'm still pissed we never got to see Jordan vs. Hakeem for all the marbles.

Edit to add: Kareem was certainly a great big man, and was awfully good when the Bulls won their first title. But he wasn't the "endgame" of the Laker offense the way Shaq and Hakeem were for their teams.

HERD

 
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Put it this way, can you imagine Stevie Y doing that to the Wings?
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I don't think he would,but how would he react if the the Redwings never made a real effort to field a winning team during his career and were more concerned about making money.Sanders should have handled it differently,no doubt,but the Lions organization played a big part in Sanders up and quitting football.
 
Edit to add: Kareem was certainly a great big man, and was awfully good when the Bulls won their first title. But he wasn't the "endgame" of the Laker offense the way Shaq and Hakeem were for their teams.
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Kareem had already hung 'em up by the time Jordan met the Lakers in the finals. Sam Perkins was manning the center spot by that time.signed,a looooooong time Laker fan
 
But like I said, a lot of "hear-say", so I don't expect everybody to pile on believing me. I happen to believe that (a) Michael Jordan gambled and that got him suspended in his prime.
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HERD, this is what I was saying.I thought your stance was that gambling had nothing to do with his "retirement". :confused:
 
Oh yeah, I didn't bother to read the whole thread, just this last page, but anyway -Barry was the best reason to watch football since Air Coryell closed up shop. I am not intimately familiar with the relationship between he and the Lions, maybe he could have requested a trade to a competitive team rather than retiring, but in any case I have absolutely no problem with how he chose to go out. Bitter Lions fans should be thankful they got to have him on their team for whatever period they got, it's better than most teams will ever have.

 
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I don't think he would,but how would he react if the the Redwings never made a real effort to field a winning team during his career and were more concerned about making money.Sanders should have handled it differently,no doubt,but the Lions organization played a big part in Sanders up and quitting football.
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We're on the same page, I couldn't agree with you more. Like I said, a lot of what I feel is pure selfishness on my part. I have no love lost for the Lions organization at that time, especially Chuck Schmidt (sp). I honestly think Bill Jr. wants to build a winning team, the jury is still out on Millen.
 
Kareem had already hung 'em up by the time Jordan met the Lakers in the finals. Sam Perkins was manning the center spot by that time.
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My memory of that all runs together I guess. I suppose that only strengthens my stance..Sonny,In an earlier post, I'd mentioned Jordan's gambling allegation. It appears we are in agreement on Jordan's motivation for leaving basketball the first time.HERD
 
My memory of that all runs together I guess. I suppose that only strengthens my stance..Sonny,In an earlier post, I'd mentioned Jordan's gambling allegation. It appears we are in agreement on Jordan's motivation for leaving basketball the first time.HERD
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:wall: Had not read the whole thread.Also, thought you replied to me saying, "I'm quite sure Jordan's.....had NOTHING to do...gambling".Just re-read it...there is no "nothing". :bag: :wall: :rolleyes: Carry on.
 
Dear God, I cannot believe I just read this entire thread from beginning to end... :shock: Be glad you got to watch the greatest pure runner ever, and move on. Did he quit prematurely? I, and obviously many fans thought so, but obvioiusly he had his reasons, no matter how dumb or wrong YOU may feel. I am a Lions fan (yes, I still admit it), and was blessed to have him on my team for years. Without him, our team would have sucked 100 times more than they did while he was around. If you can't understand that one of his major reasons for quitting was because Detroit's management could or would not field a competitive team around him, then I can't help you. I would think that if you had 10 incredible seasons like Barry did, and see that your team is going nowhere and management is unwilling to help, you'd think of quitting too. Rather than seek employment elsewhere and possibly win a championship with another team that COULD be competitive, Sanders decided to retire. Hell, I respect Sanders SO much that I would have liked to see him go elsewhere with a team that would appreciate him and he could win a championship. It would have hurt to see him in another team's uniform, but I still would have rooted for the guy...

 
Sonny, regarding the Jordan gambling allegation...

There is certainly a whole lot of "he said, she said" going on, and to try and convince anyone of what I believe is going to certainly make people give me a hard time. As a result, I'll simply put out there what I know first hand, and what I believe. I certainly don't expect others to believe me. Thats fine. Here we go..

My father owns a small company in Texas. In the 80's and '90s, he had an employee (who was also a family friend) who was married to a young man (a police officer) with 2 sisters. The man's two sisters were married to Jeff Malone and Moses Malone (since divorced) at the time of the first Jordan retirement. When Jordan abruptly retired, the quick word in the NBA community was "they told him to take a walk for a year and a half and if he did so gracefully, there'd be no mention of the fact that he gambles on sports." Not on the NBA, but on sports. I think the idea from the NBA was that Jordan was certainly too valuable to the league to destroy by making a big deal out of it, however they couldn't let that door open.

David Stern is no idiot, he's a marketing genius, and he realized that bringing Jordan down would bring down the league he'd built up into an empire. As a result, Jordan left for a season and a half but remained employeed by the Chicago Bulls, in the form of playing baseball.

Suspension over, Jordan returns, everybodys happy.

But like I said, a lot of "hear-say", so I don't expect everybody to pile on believing me. I happen to believe that (a) Michael Jordan gambled and that got him suspended in his prime and (b) Michael Jordan never beat a dominant big man in the playoffs. Ewing doesn't count, and the one time Jordan had to play a dominant big man, he lost to Shaq's Orlando Magic. I'm still pissed we never got to see Jordan vs. Hakeem for all the marbles.

Edit to add: Kareem was certainly a great big man, and was awfully good when the Bulls won their first title. But he wasn't the "endgame" of the Laker offense the way Shaq and Hakeem were for their teams.

HERD
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Interesting...but there has been no mention of the death of his father...wasn't that one of the determining factors? I haven't seen that mentioned yet or maybe that was his 2nd retirement-I can't keep it all straight.
 
Rushing | Receiving |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 1989 det | 15 | 280 1470 5.2 14 | 24 282 11.8 0 || 1990 det | 16 | 255 1304 5.1 13 | 36 480 13.3 3 || 1991 det | 15 | 342 1548 4.5 16 | 41 307 7.5 1 || 1992 det | 16 | 312 1352 4.3 9 | 29 225 7.8 1 || 1993 det | 11 | 243 1115 4.6 3 | 36 205 5.7 0 || 1994 det | 16 | 331 1883 5.7 7 | 44 283 6.4 1 || 1995 det | 16 | 314 1500 4.8 11 | 48 398 8.3 1 || 1996 det | 16 | 307 1553 5.1 11 | 24 147 6.1 0 || 1997 det | 16 | 335 2053 6.1 11 | 33 305 9.2 3 || 1998 det | 16 | 343 1491 4.3 4 | 37 289 7.8 0 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| TOTAL | 153 | 3062 15269 5.0 99 | 352 2921 8.3 10 |
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The man was just plain old SICK.And in college as well: espn page 2
Barry Sanders, Oklahoma State (1988)The only serious question when composing this list was "Who's No. 2?" Sanders season was the only college football player's campaign to rank in ESPN.com's "End of the Century" list covering all sports. Rattle this off next time your bar buddies say someone's having a great season:Sanders rushed for 2,628 yards, an NCAA record.He had 3,249 total yards, an NCAA record.Sanders scored 39 TDs (37 rushing, 1 kick return, 1 punt return), an NCAA record.He averaged 7.6 yards per carry.He rushed for 300+ yards in four games. That was during the 11-game regular season. In the Holiday Bowl against Wyoming, he ran for 222 yards and 5 TDs. In three quarters. He sat out the fourth, as OSU won 62-14.Sanders had replaced Thurman Thomas at Oklahoma State, and nobody expected that kind of season from the junior, who had rushed for 603 yards the year before. But who'd expect that kind of season from anyone?
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SICK SICK SICK
 
QUOTE (NorvilleBarnes @ Dec 3 2003, 05:24 PM) QUOTE In the Holiday Bowl against Wyoming, he ran for 222 yards and 5 TDs. In three quarters. He sat out the fourth, as OSU won 62-14. That's right - he sat the 4th quarter. Quitter. And I bet he didn't tell anyone to the last minute.
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Oh, I see, you guys got jokes . . . :boxing: hahaha.
 
Did someone really bump a thread from three years ago just to say "Quality stuff"?

Some people are in desperate need a filter between the brain and the keyboard.

 
Power Monster said:
Sure his numbers are HOF numbers but because of the way that he left the game he is not worthy of the HOF. Remember- he quit on the NFL over money and because he did not get his way. Why is that such a noble thing? Some say he is a HOF player. Some say he is the best and some say he is better than Walter Payton. I say hogwash he is a quitter that had some nice runs. He F'd the Detroit fans and himself! I wonder what all the members of the HOF think about a guy like this? I wonder what a guy like Bronco Nagurski would think of a Barry Sanders? Guys like Nagurski made peanuts compared to Barry and played without a facemask. Guys like BN served their country in war and came back to play again but Barry gets in because he has a few years on SportsCenter highlights?
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"Barry, yeah he had some nice runs". :rolleyes: Sorry, I haven't finished this thread yet....that line just kinda stood out at me. Oh, I also hear water's wet.I see another thread here debating if Hines Ward will be worthy of the Hall. When people debate the Hall I always think "best of the best". Ward's name just doesn't come to mind. Sanders, yes. One of the first I think of.

But yeah, I agree....Barry had some nice runs. Every week.

 
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This is a bit off topic, but Bruce Smith's 'all-time' sack record is only from 1982 on. That stat wasn't kept before then.Talk about hanging on longer than you should. . .Barry's a HOFer. His retirement was one of the strangest in history. Robert Smith retired early, apparently still in his prime. Some guys just want to walk away and live regular lives.
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Do we already forget about Tiki Barber? The numbers say that he had a greater final year running the ball than any of the guys aformentioned in this post. This is not directed toward you Titan, but in to all of us in general.EDIT: I just realized this was bumped from 3 YEARS AGO! So we can add Tiki, obviously. Carry on.
 
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redman said:
Avery said:
redman said:
Despyzer said:
Avery said:
Did someone really bump a thread from three years ago just to say "Quality stuff"?
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2,007 - 2,003 = ?
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:lmao:
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If you think that's funny, I can bust out some high school algebra tests I took.I've got some gems in there like -2 + 3= -5.I'm telling you, your sides will split.
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If you were ridiculing your teacher, then yeah, I'll :lmao:
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I don't see how my stupidity of typing three years vs. four years changes the point that this is an asinine bump, but have at it.
 
I'm not sure what was more amazing -

Power Monster or the fish jumping into his boat three pages later.....

:lmao:

 
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Avery said:
I don't see how my stupidity of typing three years vs. four years changes the point that this is an asinine bump, but have at it.
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Don't worry about it. This says a lot more about redman and myself than it does about you.
 
I don't know why FBGs don't delete threads that are older than a certain number of years. Surely there is a script that can perform this function automatically.

 
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Despyzer said:
NoFBinLA said:
I'm not sure what was more amazing -

Power Monster or the fish jumping into his boat three pages years later.....

:lmao:
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Oooo -- good catch.Good bait is good bait I guess....

Thanks!

;)

 
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If you are one of those people who labeled Ricky Williams a quitter than you would have to call Sanders one as well. Personally, I don't condemn either of them but always felt a double standard existed.

 
Despyzer said:
krameruf said:
So many bitter people. The guy did want HE wanted and retired, get over it.
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Come on, guys. You're just messin' with us now. redman and I can only have so much self-control.
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Keep it up and you're going to get owned by the Power Monster.
 
Power Monster said:
I see that you guys defend Barry Sanders left and right but he did not win a damn thing in all his great days in Detroit. Either that or you get a woodie watching the guy dance around in the backfield or having one of his stop and go moves. Great stats and I can understand some day he deserves consideration but like you said Big Red- his merit IS on his padded stats. He contributed nothing else to this game- no championships and no respect as he left this team and the fans standing at the alter- a big baby.Jim Brown? Hmmmmm I guess we have to start the comparison game but Jim Brown played in a different era than Barry Sanders did. He was rougher than Sanders and he played in the game when it was chock full of nastiness. Sure the players are bigger and faster now but the refs protect the players now and hell- they even have better equipmenet. They have better medical advancements as well as I am sure that if Gale Sayers played in this era he would have come back from that knee injury to become a decent player. Plus, Jim Brown played in the elements. Nasty elements while barry played on the indoor carpet for a very good percentage of his career. While Sanders WAS a talented back there is nothing here but stats. Some quality stats but that was about it. Brown defined the RB position like the great Gale Sayers did and while he left the game on the field he is still a part of football by working with the players and within the community- his AMER-I-CAN program is growing stronger. Plus, Brown was in two championship games and enjoyed a championship season unlike Mr. Sanders who at least made it to a championship game. His move to make movies was a move he made to live a dream. Barry Sanders just flat out quit and faded out only to surface now to pimp his new book. His career was very solid but the guy left the game because he could not have things his way. Either that or all you defenders have the reason. As far as Walter Payton goes- Barry never eclipsed the record like Smith did. I give huge marks to Smith and Payton in this era but a guy like Sanders just quit without no explanation burning the Lions and the fans but you know that you love the stats and someday he will get to the Hall but he is not worthy of the Hall in my book. Besides, this current class has men of football greatness that belong more than Barry does. You know he will be inducted but will he even show? And what type of day will that be?
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Is this post a joke? It must be.Barry Sanders choice to leave the game so suddenly put the Lions in a bad spot, no question. But this guy is no doubt a hall of famer, one of the greatest running backs to ever play the game.
 
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