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He's 1/2 a pitcher. Righties KILL him. With the questions in the Yankee bullpen now that Flash is gone, can they afford to have a roster spot taken up by a guy who can only face one guy per game?

 
He's 1/2 a pitcher. Righties KILL him.

With the questions in the Yankee bullpen now that Flash is gone, can they afford to have a roster spot taken up by a guy who can only face one guy per game?
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So long as he sits Ortiz down every time he faces him, the Yanks will be OK
 
He's 1/2 a pitcher.  Righties KILL him. 

With the questions in the Yankee bullpen now that Flash is gone, can they afford to have a roster spot taken up by a guy who can only face one guy per game?
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So long as he sits Ortiz down every time he faces him, the Yanks will be OK
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If the Yankees are taking up a roster spot to just face one guy, one time a game, for only 19 games a season, then they are in bigger trouble than I thought.
 
He's 1/2 a pitcher.  Righties KILL him. 

With the questions in the Yankee bullpen now that Flash is gone, can they afford to have a roster spot taken up by a guy who can only face one guy per game?
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So long as he sits Ortiz down every time he faces him, the Yanks will be OK
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If the Yankees are taking up a roster spot to just face one guy, one time a game, for only 19 games a season, then they are in bigger trouble than I thought.
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Not so. Teams build themselves in a such a way to match their biggest rival all the time.The Jaguars built their D-line with the express purpose of pressuring Manning up in the middle. It happens all the time.

 
He's 1/2 a pitcher. Righties KILL him.

With the questions in the Yankee bullpen now that Flash is gone, can they afford to have a roster spot taken up by a guy who can only face one guy per game?
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LOOGY
 
Not so. Teams build themselves in a such a way to match their biggest rival all the time.

The Jaguars built their D-line with the express purpose of pressuring Manning up in the middle. It happens all the time.
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The Panthers defense is built to contain Vick.
 
If the Yankees are taking up a roster spot to just face one guy, one time a game, for only 19 games a season, then they are in bigger trouble than I thought.
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Having a pitcher that is there specifically to get out lefties late in the game is a long-time baseball strategy, and it makes sense.
 
Rotoworld reporting that Angels acquired LHP J.C. Romero from the Twins for infielder Alexi Casilla.VG move for the Angels.

 
He's 1/2 a pitcher.  Righties KILL him. 

With the questions in the Yankee bullpen now that Flash is gone, can they afford to have a roster spot taken up by a guy who can only face one guy per game?
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So long as he sits Ortiz down every time he faces him, the Yanks will be OK
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If the Yankees are taking up a roster spot to just face one guy, one time a game, for only 19 games a season, then they are in bigger trouble than I thought.
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:bs: If Myers is there strictly to get Ortiz out and he does his job then it was a great move. Obviously you havent watched Ortiz singlehandedly ###-rape us, and other teams, especially late in games, during clutch situations.

 
He's 1/2 a pitcher.  Righties KILL him. 

With the questions in the Yankee bullpen now that Flash is gone, can they afford to have a roster spot taken up by a guy who can only face one guy per game?
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So long as he sits Ortiz down every time he faces him, the Yanks will be OK
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If the Yankees are taking up a roster spot to just face one guy, one time a game, for only 19 games a season, then they are in bigger trouble than I thought.
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:bs: If Myers is there strictly to get Ortiz out and he does his job then it was a great move. Obviously you havent watched Ortiz singlehandedly ###-rape us, and other teams, especially late in games, during clutch situations.
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Hey some people just want to bash every Yankee move because it's the "in" thing to do. So then when they finally make a good, smart, baseball move (to shore up an area that has been lacking for YEARS), it's so ingrained to rip it that they can't help themselves.
 
Hey some people just want to bash every Yankee move because it's the "in" thing to do. So then when they finally make a good, smart, baseball move (to shore up an area that has been lacking for YEARS), it's so ingrained to rip it that they can't help themselves.
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There's no winning with Yankee haters.Make a lot of moves: Buying the championship!

Make no moves: Haha! the Yankees don't know how to win!

Win World Series: What did you expect?

Don't win World Series: Even with all that money they couldn't win!

 
If the Yankees are taking up a roster spot to just face one guy, one time a game, for only 19 games a season, then they are in bigger trouble than I thought.
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Having a pitcher that is there specifically to get out lefties late in the game is a long-time baseball strategy, and it makes sense.
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It makes sense except when you start digging into the stats and realizing that the strategy is really ineffective over the long term.From Hardball Times:

1. A basic precept of the rules of baseball has a huge bearing here: a relief pitcher entering the game is required to face at least one batter to the conclusion of the at-bat, but the offensive team is allowed to pinch-hit at will. What this means is that, while a LOOGY is almost always brought in to face a left-handed batter, the offense frequently responds by pinch-hitting a right-handed batter. (Another basic fact of life is relevant here too: most batters, like most people, are right-handed.) What this means is that LOOGYs in practice don't actually face only left-handed batters. Even the most extreme of hard-core LOOGYs face a significant proportion of righties, and overall, most LOOGYs face right-handed batters most of the time. (Mike Myers, the hardest of Hard-Core LOOGYs, with 0.61 innings/appearance over his 684-game career through 2004, has faced 48% right-handed batters, and the percentage is much higher than that for nearly every other LOOGY.)

It is the case that no category of southpaw pitchers enjoys the platoon advantage more frequently than LOOGYs. But it must be acknowledged that even though the LOOGY is a role designed entirely as a means of exploiting the platoon advantage, it does not do so, to a very great extent of the time.

2. LOOGYs as a group are not especially effective pitchers, as measured by ERA+ or WHIP. Clearly there are two key factors contributing to this: one is the selection bias determining the LOOGY population; the best left-handed pitchers are not deployed as LOOGYs. The other is the fact that even though LOOGYs face a high proportion of left-handed batters, a high proportion of those left-handed batters are the elite left-handed batters in baseball.

So, even though their usage pattern provides them with the best possible conditions -- high proportion of platoon advantage batters faced, and extremely short stints, necessitating no pacing and exacting no in-game fatigue -- it would be unrealistic of us to expect LOOGYs to be really shutting their opponents down. Nonetheless the bottom line remains: LOOGYs don't really shut their opponents down. Even the very best LOOGYs, the elite deployed in the most extreme hard-core pattern -- the Myers, Plesac, Orosco class -- don't produce rate stats that compare with those of the elite pitchers deployed in the more challenging roles of Closing or Starting. And, especially as the number of pitchers deployed as LOOGYs mushrooms, the typical LOOGY is less and less accomplished, resembling an elite pitcher less and less. The LOOGY is a class of pitcher deployed in a very high proportion of high-leverage situations, but without a particularly impressive record of effectiveness.
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1. A basic precept of the rules of baseball has a huge bearing here: a relief pitcher entering the game is required to face at least one batter to the conclusion of the at-bat, but the offensive team is allowed to pinch-hit at will. What this means is that, while a LOOGY is almost always brought in to face a left-handed batter, the offense frequently responds by pinch-hitting a right-handed batter. (Another basic fact of life is relevant here too: most batters, like most people, are right-handed.) What this means is that LOOGYs in practice don't actually face only left-handed batters. Even the most extreme of hard-core LOOGYs face a significant proportion of righties, and overall, most LOOGYs face right-handed batters most of the time. (Mike Myers, the hardest of Hard-Core LOOGYs, with 0.61 innings/appearance over his 684-game career through 2004, has faced 48% right-handed batters, and the percentage is much higher than that for nearly every other LOOGY.) It is the case that no category of southpaw pitchers enjoys the platoon advantage more frequently than LOOGYs. But it must be acknowledged that even though the LOOGY is a role designed entirely as a means of exploiting the platoon advantage, it does not do so, to a very great extent of the time.
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If the team playing the Yankees chooses to pinch-hit for David Ortiz or a player of his caliber, I am fine with that. They seem to ignore the potential tactical advantage of making your opposition go to the bench, replacing a starter.
2. LOOGYs as a group are not especially effective pitchers, as measured by ERA+ or WHIP. Clearly there are two key factors contributing to this: one is the selection bias determining the LOOGY population; the best left-handed pitchers are not deployed as LOOGYs. The other is the fact that even though LOOGYs face a high proportion of left-handed batters, a high proportion of those left-handed batters are the elite left-handed batters in baseball.
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The second point here really works against the rest of his argument.
 
How does it work against his argument? Ortiz hit .300 against lefties last year.And by replacing a decent lefty with nearly ANY righthanded bat, Myers is in SERIOUS trouble.2005 vs. Righties: 1.151 OPS!2002-2004 vs. Righties: .959 OPS!In other words, righthanded hitters turn INTO David Ortiz against Myers. :lol:

 
How does it work against his argument? Ortiz hit .300 against lefties last year.

And by replacing a decent lefty with nearly ANY righthanded bat, Myers is in SERIOUS trouble.

2005 vs. Righties: 1.151 OPS!

2002-2004 vs. Righties: .959 OPS!

In other words, righthanded hitters turn INTO David Ortiz against Myers.

:lol:
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That's a fair enough point, but 1) Ortiz is not going ot be replaced

2) Even if a good lefty is replaced, the Yankees can go back to the pen OR have Myers face the guy and then the next time around the guy will face another guy.

The guy's point about the inefectiveness of LOOGYs is mitigated by pointing out that LOOGYs often face extraordinary lefty batters.

 
I'm a Sox fan and not happy that Myers is with the Yanks. He's a good pickup for him and will serve them well. He has a rubber arm and can pitch in the specialist role, but also he can come in and knock off an inning or two in a 10-0 blowout.Good pick up by the Yanks.

 
Hey some people just want to bash every Yankee move because it's the "in" thing to do. So then when they finally make a good, smart, baseball move (to shore up an area that has been lacking for YEARS), it's so ingrained to rip it that they can't help themselves.
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There's no winning with Yankee haters.Make a lot of moves: Buying the championship!

Make no moves: Haha! the Yankees don't know how to win!

Win World Series: What did you expect?

Don't win World Series: Even with all that money they couldn't win!
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I'm not really a hater or a fan of the Yanks, but I actually don't see how any of those statements are false. This is exactly the reason I think it would be almost impossible to be a Yanks fan and not rewarding at all. Do Yankee fans think those statements are true?
 
How does it work against his argument? Ortiz hit .300 against lefties last year.

And by replacing a decent lefty with nearly ANY righthanded bat, Myers is in SERIOUS trouble.

2005 vs. Righties: 1.151 OPS!

2002-2004 vs. Righties: .959 OPS!

In other words, righthanded hitters turn INTO David Ortiz against Myers.

:lol:
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Yeah, it'd be terrible if say, Mussina is pitching...the Yanks bring in Myers to pitch to Ortiz in the 7th...then Boston pinch-hits Gabe Kapler for him (I know it'd never happen but we're dealing with Workhorse's hypothetical)...and then we turn and bring Farnsworth out of the pen. Yeah, I'm so much more afraid of a guy like Kapler than Ortiz. You ridiculous man...you're so ridiculous.

 
Hey some people just want to bash every Yankee move because it's the "in" thing to do. So then when they finally make a good, smart, baseball move (to shore up an area that has been lacking for YEARS), it's so ingrained to rip it that they can't help themselves.
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There's no winning with Yankee haters.Make a lot of moves: Buying the championship!

Make no moves: Haha! the Yankees don't know how to win!

Win World Series: What did you expect?

Don't win World Series: Even with all that money they couldn't win!
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I'm not really a hater or a fan of the Yanks, but I actually don't see how any of those statements are false. This is exactly the reason I think it would be almost impossible to be a Yanks fan and not rewarding at all. Do Yankee fans think those statements are true?
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We won 4 championships since 1996. I think its pretty ####in GREAT to be a Yankee fan. I dont give 2 craps what other people think. I love my Yankees.
 
Hey some people just want to bash every Yankee move because it's the "in" thing to do. So then when they finally make a good, smart, baseball move (to shore up an area that has been lacking for YEARS), it's so ingrained to rip it that they can't help themselves.
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There's no winning with Yankee haters.Make a lot of moves: Buying the championship!

Make no moves: Haha! the Yankees don't know how to win!

Win World Series: What did you expect?

Don't win World Series: Even with all that money they couldn't win!
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Can I partake in this thread?Personally, I think people should either accept MLB for what it is and stop bashing the Yankees or just start following another sport. It is what it is.

 
Maybe it's because I'm thinking of some very significant outs Myers got against the Yankees in the playoffs. But the overall success of Myers against NYY lefties wasn't that great, actually.Giambi-5/10, 1HR, 5RBI 3K, .500T. Martinez-5/12, 1HR, 2RBI 2K, .417Matsui-2/7, 0 HR, 0RBI, 2KSierra-2/5, 3RBI, 0HR, 2BBWilliams-1/3 (but 2 GIDP)Hmmmm. Not as automatic as I thought. Still though, if he can get Ortiz out once in a while, that's a huge improvement for the Yankees.

 
BOS CEO Larry Lucchino has contacted P Roger Clemens' agents about the possibility of his returning to the Red Sox.

Boston Globe
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Since the Sox like to mimick the Yankees, it's not suprising to see them go after an aging pitcher to add to their already old core.Frankly, I couldn't care less. We know how this will play out should Clemens take the Red Sox bait: Clemens will command 15 mil or more because he's, well, Roger Clemens. And the Red Sox will get drunk with excitement over being able to "one-up" the Yankees and give him 15 mil or more because they're, well, the Red Sox. Which will cause Kevin Millwood's, Jarrod Washburn's, and other mediocre to solid pitcher's prices to skyrocket to Clement/Pavano/Wright proportions, maybe more, because baseball GM's are, well, baseball GM's and they usually will donate a left nut for a decent SP if they can do it.

 
Rotoworld reporting that the Pirates have an offer on the table for Bill Mueller:

The Pirates' three-year offer to Bill Mueller is believed to be worth more than $4 million per season.Mueller still might be leaning toward joining the Dodgers or Giants, according to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Dec. 11 - 12:50 am et
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$4 million per for Mueller? Madness.
 
BOS CEO Larry Lucchino has contacted P Roger Clemens' agents about the possibility of his returning to the Red Sox.

Boston Globe
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Since the Sox like to mimick the Yankees, it's not suprising to see them go after an aging pitcher to add to their already old core.Frankly, I couldn't care less. We know how this will play out should Clemens take the Red Sox bait: Clemens will command 15 mil or more because he's, well, Roger Clemens. And the Red Sox will get drunk with excitement over being able to "one-up" the Yankees and give him 15 mil or more because they're, well, the Red Sox. Which will cause Kevin Millwood's, Jarrod Washburn's, and other mediocre to solid pitcher's prices to skyrocket to Clement/Pavano/Wright proportions, maybe more, because baseball GM's are, well, baseball GM's and they usually will donate a left nut for a decent SP if they can do it.
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You don't think Clemens is worth a year or two at $15Mil per? He's my most hated player ever, but he's still worth the money.
 
Hey some people just want to bash every Yankee move because it's the "in" thing to do. So then when they finally make a good, smart, baseball move (to shore up an area that has been lacking for YEARS), it's so ingrained to rip it that they can't help themselves.
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There's no winning with Yankee haters.Make a lot of moves: Buying the championship!

Make no moves: Haha! the Yankees don't know how to win!

Win World Series: What did you expect?

Don't win World Series: Even with all that money they couldn't win!
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I'm not really a hater or a fan of the Yanks, but I actually don't see how any of those statements are false. This is exactly the reason I think it would be almost impossible to be a Yanks fan and not rewarding at all. Do Yankee fans think those statements are true?
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We won 4 championships since 1996. I think its pretty ####in GREAT to be a Yankee fan. I dont give 2 craps what other people think. I love my Yankees.
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If they are your team, you should love them. The dynasty, however, is over.Will be good to see some of the bandwagon fans crawl back under the rocks from which they surfaced now that is been half a decade since they won.

 
BOS CEO Larry Lucchino has contacted P Roger Clemens' agents about the possibility of his returning to the Red Sox.

Boston Globe
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Since the Sox like to mimick the Yankees, it's not suprising to see them go after an aging pitcher to add to their already old core.Frankly, I couldn't care less. We know how this will play out should Clemens take the Red Sox bait: Clemens will command 15 mil or more because he's, well, Roger Clemens. And the Red Sox will get drunk with excitement over being able to "one-up" the Yankees and give him 15 mil or more because they're, well, the Red Sox. Which will cause Kevin Millwood's, Jarrod Washburn's, and other mediocre to solid pitcher's prices to skyrocket to Clement/Pavano/Wright proportions, maybe more, because baseball GM's are, well, baseball GM's and they usually will donate a left nut for a decent SP if they can do it.
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You don't think Clemens is worth a year or two at $15Mil per? He's my most hated player ever, but he's still worth the money.
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Talentwise, yes. I'm just frustrated over the times we're currently in, I guess.
 
More rumors from mlb.com's hotstove report.

Braves: According to Saturday's Atlanta-Journal Constitution, the Braves have talked to the Blue Jays about acquiring Miguel Batista. They also have had ongoing talks with Tampa Bay in regards to acquiring Danys Baez to fill their closer's role.Cardinals: Multiple reports indicate the Cardinals have a deal in place with lefty reliever Ricardo Rincon. It would be a two-year contract worth $2.9 million, and Rincon would step in alongside Randy Flores in the St. Louis bullpen.Marlins: Reportedly, free agent Damion Easley, a solid backup infielder for the Marlins the past two seasons, is close to signing a one-year deal with the Diamondbacks. Phillies: The Los Angeles Times reported that the Dodgers are interested in third baseman David Bell, and the teams have discussed a deal involving reliever Duaner Sanchez and prospects.Also, the Phillies remain interested in former Mets closer Braden Looper in a setup role and insurance policy for Tom Gordon. Looper is also being courted by the Cardinals and Pirates.Rangers: After hearing that Morris is signing elsewhere, the Rangers continue to explore trade possibilities to acquire starting pitching. General manager Jon Daniels said he's confident the Rangers will get at least one starter via a trade. Texas has a surplus of outfielders and Kevin Mench and Brad Wilkerson have been at the forefront of trade speculation.Daniels also said he expects to talk again with Scott Boras, who represents free agent starters Jarrod Washburn, Jeff Weaver and Kevin Millwood. Reds: Eliminated from the race to sign Morris over the weekend, the Reds will continue to seek pitching, the Cincinnati Post reported.Free agents Kevin Millwood, Jarrod Washburn and Jeff Weaver are on the radar screen but they might be tough and expensive signings since they are represented by Boras. General manager Dan O'Brien hasn't ruled out pursuing another trade to get a starting pitcher.
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Tejada is saying he doesn't want to be traded and it looks like a GM-by-committee in Boston.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2256260

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2256622

Baseball talk concerning the Red Sox is absurd because the echo chamber surrounding the Red Sox is ridiculous.
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Too many people paranoid about never watching the Sox win again.
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I believe you are wanted in the Manny/Tejada thread to set straight some Sox fans.
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I'm on it!! :superdouche:
 
More rumors from mlb.com's hotstove report.

Cardinals: Multiple reports indicate the Cardinals have a deal in place with lefty reliever Ricardo Rincon. It would be a two-year contract worth $2.9 million, and Rincon would step in alongside Randy Flores in the St. Louis bullpen.
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Good signing. Rincon has always been solid and will fill in nicely for King.The Cards could have 3 solid lefties in the pen with Rincon, Flores, and maybe Tyler Johnson, who could be the real stud here.

 
Yankees supposedly offered Nomar a FA deal to play 1B.Then they just need to trade for Tejada to have an all-shortstop infield, and the top-4 circa 2003. :loco:

 
I just heard from a source that John Henry is a bit upset about the Beckett trade because of health issues he has. Beckett, not Henry.

 
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Milton Bradley and Antonio Perez to the A's for a "Top-Prospect"...

Like the Dodgers need more minor leaguers
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THAT was all the Dodgers could get for Bradley and Perez?
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Ethier is quite a bit more than "all they could get" Would you have rather had Corey Patterson? I don't think so. The Dodgers wanted to unload Bradley's contract and presence in the clubhouse and other teams weren't offering very much. Ethier has a chance to be a good corner OF (albeit with a little less power than a stud corner would have).

And, most of the Dodgers top prospects are not outfielders.

 
I just heard from a source that John Henry is a bit upset about the Beckett trade because of health issues he has. Beckett, not Henry.
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IIRC, it was John Henry himself who said he was slightly opposed to the deal.But who knows. I don't think you can believe 90% of what is reported about trade rumors.

 
CBS Sportsline is reporting that the White Sox are closing in on Javier Vacquez:The White Sox are close to acquiring Javier Vazquez from the Diamondbacks for Chris Young, Orlando Hernandez and a second pitcher, according to CBS SportsLine.

 
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