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David Yudkin
Footballguy
I agree that on the surface it looks pretty :X , but if there are other players involved who knows what the story is.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Thank God.I would like to thank Mr. Garciaparra for saving my team from themselves.
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JohnDoe
Footballguy
whoknew
Footballguy
Further evidence of what a boneheaded move this was by Bowden:
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SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic -- A week after the Washington Nationals acquired him from the Texas Rangers, Alfonso Soriano still doesn't want to move to the outfield from second base.
Jose Vidro, a three-time All-Star, starts at second for Washington, and Nationals general manager Jim Bowden hopes to shift Soriano from second, where he's a four-time All-Star.
"I don't want to change," Soriano said Monday night at a dinner held for major league players by Dominican Republic President Leonel Fernandez. "If I haven't done it before, I won't do it now."
Soriano said he had a greater comfort level in the AL, and he plans to become a free agent after next season and sign with an AL team.
"I knew the pitchers and batters of opposing teams and, therefore, where to place myself defensively. In the National that's going to take me a while," he said.
Soriano, who is eligible for salary arbitration, is likely to earn about $10 million next year. He was obtained from Texas for outfielders Brad Wilkerson and Terrmel Sledge, and pitcher Armando Galarraga.
"He's such a great athlete that he's able to play other positions," Bowden said last week. "He could play center, he could play left."
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SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic -- A week after the Washington Nationals acquired him from the Texas Rangers, Alfonso Soriano still doesn't want to move to the outfield from second base.
Jose Vidro, a three-time All-Star, starts at second for Washington, and Nationals general manager Jim Bowden hopes to shift Soriano from second, where he's a four-time All-Star.
"I don't want to change," Soriano said Monday night at a dinner held for major league players by Dominican Republic President Leonel Fernandez. "If I haven't done it before, I won't do it now."
Soriano said he had a greater comfort level in the AL, and he plans to become a free agent after next season and sign with an AL team.
"I knew the pitchers and batters of opposing teams and, therefore, where to place myself defensively. In the National that's going to take me a while," he said.
Soriano, who is eligible for salary arbitration, is likely to earn about $10 million next year. He was obtained from Texas for outfielders Brad Wilkerson and Terrmel Sledge, and pitcher Armando Galarraga.
"He's such a great athlete that he's able to play other positions," Bowden said last week. "He could play center, he could play left."
SDP trades P Akinori Otsuka and P Adam Eaton and "a minor league prospect" to TEX for 1B Adrian Gonzalez, P Chris Young and OF Terrmel Sledge.
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Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
Pretty nice deal for both sides.
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
That is an excellent move for Texas. Now if they could dump Blaylock for a decent pitcher and a 3B prospect it would be awesome.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
The Nats really need to flip him to someone else.
lastresort66
Crude Noisemaker
At least, the Cardinals should be interested in him. He's got speed, he plays 2B, and he's not an old codger. He'd be the perfect #2 hitter in the Cards lineup.But I doubt the Cards even take a sniff at him the way they're going this offseason.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
lastresort66
Crude Noisemaker
So much for the Card's interest in him. Surely Walt could have offered more than that for Dotel.Oh well, this will all be irrelevant if the Cards sign Millwood.
bearsguy54
Footballguy
Cubs sign Jacque Jones to a horrible three year 16 million contract. Another light-power, light on-base guy. I would have much rather brought back Burnitz for a season than give this scrub a three year deal.
$2 mil for someone who may pitch by midseason? :X
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Jones is a 20-25 HR guy with decent speed and a fair amount of range in the OF. The power numbers are similar to Burnitz (at this point in his career) and Jones is a better fielder. I don't think he's a disaster of a signing, although his OBP isn't that great.
bearsguy54
Footballguy
As of right now, the Cubs are going to be starting Matt Murton in left, with Jones in right, that's below average power at two key power-hitting positions; add Juan Pierre in center, and the Cubs are getting little pop out of their outfield as a whole. Jones' average has slid quite a bit the past two seasons, and his OBP has never been good. Jones' fit into exactly what the Cubs didn't need, another free swinging, high strikeout player. The fact that they're locked into this guy (who has greatly declined the past two years) for three seasons seems dumb to me when there are options such as Burnitz available for a per-season deal.
NFL Sunday Ticket
Footballguy
no link yet, but fox sports new england just said there is a report that johnny damon has signed with the yankees. they think he was offered the 5th year and he jumped at it. probably know more tomorrow.
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NFL Sunday Ticket
Footballguy
local news stations saying 4 years $52 million. later johnny. i am glad the sox didnt give him that kind of money. who knows how he will play with short hair and no beard 
i cant help but think the last cpl years of that deal could be bernie-esque.
i cant help but think the last cpl years of that deal could be bernie-esque.
Statorama
Footballguy
When I heard they were looking at him I felt that horrible ache in my stomach...like you get when watching brain surgery on the Discovery Channel. Jones is essentially Corey Patterson, without all the pesky youth and potential. His best days are behind him, and they weren't that good back then. He's a 30 year old strikeout machine and unmistakeably anti-clutch. At least they didn't give Johnny Damon 13 million a year...
The Cubs should just cop to it now and say "we thought he was a shortstop...our bad".
Ok, now that I've vented...here's the positives:
If they get a rock-solid RH platoon partner with him, he won't be horrible batting exclusively against RHP.
He fits PERFECTLY into the Cubs "every player has to be a marketable player" mold. He'll do a Reggie Sanders-esque 20 HR / 15 SB this year.
My initial reaction is thumbs down, but if he's the LH part of a platoon to a decent RHH, then I'd give it a reluctant thumbs up.
bearsguy54
Footballguy
I hear Sammy's looking for work..............................................
lastresort66
Crude Noisemaker
Channel 5 news in St. Louis is reporting the Cardinals will announce they have signed Sidney Ponson. 
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Interesting offseason by the Yankees so far.I'm not sure of how I feel about it, which is both troublesome and exciting. They aren't going after every $20 million a year 50 year old who had a name once, and they aren't dumping all their young talent.But, they aren't blazing the open the market either. I like the Dotel signing. Cheap easy and short term to see what he has. Let's not forget that Mo only has a few years left. There has to be some type of beginning of looking for a new end to the pen. Might as well look at someone like Dotel now while it's cheap and easy. I look at the Farnsworth deal a little like that as well. He was more expensive (probably a little moreso then he needed to be) but it's a decent deal.
whoknew
Footballguy
I can't imagine this is a very good deal at all. What's Johnny Damon going to be like in 3 years, much less 4 years? I guess the Yanks don't really need to worry about money, though.Dont get me wrong Id love Damon's bat on top of the Yankee lineup but how does that help their CF defense?
shadyridr
Footballguy
I agree defensively he'll be bad but hitting wise I cant see much decline as a hitter. He's a hacker who slashes at the ball and keeps fouling bad pitches off until he gets his pitch. he puts alot of stress on opposing pitchers. The Red Sox lineup is in shambles now. They may have the worst infield in baseball. I predict they finish in 3rd. Meanwhile, the Yanks have a scary lineup nowDamonI can't imagine this is a very good deal at all. What's Johnny Damon going to be like in 3 years, much less 4 years? I guess the Yanks don't really need to worry about money, though.
Jeter
ARod
Sheffield
Matsui
Giambi
Posada
Williams
Cano
The balance of power (offensively) has shifted monumentally.
bialczabub
Lord of the Flies
He'll catch more fly balls than Bernie did, and he'll turn a few doubles or triples into singles or doubles.Arms aside (and Damon's is the slightest increase over Bernie's), he does get to the ball quicker.
bialczabub
Lord of the Flies
Don't know if these were mentioned:Red Sox signed RP Rudy Seanez to a 1 yr $2.1MM contract which can be expanded up to $5.3MM over 2 yrs if he meets certain incentives as a setup man.Chad Bradford and Wade Miller were not offered contracts by the Sox.The Rockies signed Brian Fuentes to a $5.5MM 2 year deal.Chris Hammond signed with the Reds. $800k for one year.Kenny Lofton to LAD for 1 year $3.85MM.Blue Jays signed JOhn McDonald for 1 yr $500,000. Dontrelle Willis and the Marlins are going to reach an agreement on his contract after the holidays according to his agent.
bialczabub
Lord of the Flies
Sox:Mark Loretta
Kevin Youkilis
Manny
Ortiz
Varitek
Trot Nixon
Mike Lowell/Andy Marte
Tony Graffanino/Alex Cora/D. Pedroia
Adam Stern
Who's leading off in this lineup? I'm guessing Loretta gets slotted 1 or 2. Youkilis being the other guy in those spots is a blind guess.
The Sox are going big-time young, and I'd be shocked if this lineup works out well for them this immediate season.
Please find a way to get Manny to the Mets!
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bialczabub
Lord of the Flies
Modified to reflect comments made after the 2004 season.How did losing Pedro work out for you guys? Good thing you didn't have his contract!]Red Sox.
Best part is, people would be saying Boston was
wned: if they HAD signed damon Pedro to an expensive long term contract like the one he got.
They yanks mets just signed a bad long term deal... particularly for a guy who's hit .250 career in their stadium ability dimishes after 100 pitches.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Get back to us when Pedro spends 3 months on the DL. His contract is a long from done.Modified to reflect comments made after the 2004 season.How did losing Pedro work out for you guys? Good thing you didn't have his contract!,Dec 21 2005, 11:15 AM]
Red Sox.
They yanks mets just signed a bad long term deal... particularly for a guy who's hit .250 career in their stadium ability dimishes after 100 pitches.
bialczabub
Lord of the Flies
I agree, but the Sox fans around here rejoice when their best players leave.Bill Simmons says the Sox biggest problem last year is that they didn't decide whether to hold on or to completely rebuild, and instead chose a strategy somewhere in between.
I think the Sox are doing a good job of acquiring young talent, but they've really kissed the 2004 Championship team goodbye.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
The Sox were doomed last year for a lot of reasons. They did not want to risk the investment in Pedro, Schilling never recovered, Foulke got hurt, Nixon played (or didn't play) hurt , there was no way they were taking Lowe back, and the supporting players collectively played over their heads in 2004.You can't fault the team for having injuries, but it became pretty evident that their pitching staff was a shell of the World Series team.
The problem team management wise was that they had (and still have) too many guys on the wrong side of 30 that all wanted big(ger) money in new contracts.
On paper, Pedro was a great pitcher, but history has shown paying big money for an aging guy on decline is not a great investment. Ditto for Johnny Damon. He's a good player, but I don't think his production over the life of his contract will not merit what he's getting paid.
The immediate problem, of course, is that the Red Sox are now incredibly weak up the middle, with TO BE ANNOUNCED starting at both SS and CF. The Renteria trade seems truly odd in that they have no one else to slot there. The other Ramirez got shipped off to get Beckett and Lowell, and I am hoping that they don't go with Graffanino and Loretta at 2B and SS. (The Boston Globe is reporting that Graffanino accepted salary arbitration.)
I think that it's safe to say that the Red Sox are not done making moves. They don't have a true first baseman, Nixon's health will forever be a question mark. They need to get one guy that can field and one guy that can hit (at least aa decent bat) at either SS or CF.
I suspect that they will have to shop Aroyo, Youkalis, and Shopach to get a proven guy.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Very, very happy with that right there. Very nice of Bernie to understand the market and for the Yankees to not go wild because of loyalty.I'll take leadership, heart and a great clubhouse presence for $1.5 million in today's market.
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