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Always someone who has had outstanding posts and I have always respected.
I am new to seeing people wanting to quit and a whole thread being devoted to it.
How about the novel concept of not reading material that does not interest you as opposed to posting snarky comments about those things? We all have different interests and we all view different things as being relevant. For you--maybe this thread is irrelevant--there is nothing wrong with that. For others--maybe it is relevant--and nobody needs you shaming them for that. All it does is make you look bad.
Like I said people who want to share opinion get ridicule, but people who want to quit get a pat on the back. So much irony in your post too. Are quitters only allowed to post in this thread, others who are not quitters cant have an opinion? So basically you want everyone in this thread to be OK with quitting and if they do not agree with quitting they look bad?
If you are mad that people want a pat on the back--or want attention--then how about not giving them that attention instead of calling them out for it? If this is a thread where fantasy football quitters want to discuss their motivations to quit--then so be it--who are you to shame them for that? It took you more effort to be rude than it would have been to have just read what interests you. There is no prerequisite that everybody has to comment on every topic. This one obviously doesn't interest you. Save your energy for something that does--there is no reason to waste it being negative here.
I'm still trying to figure out why it is OK for you to have an opinion on my comments but I cant have an opinion on others. I took more of an effort to be rude than it would to just read what interests you.
There was nothing rude about the comments I made--while if you read yours--they shame the very people that this topic is relevant to. The title of this thread makes it obvious what this thread is about and what kind of people are commenting on it. Your post about them being easily replaceable--and them "complaining"is not an opinion--it's a mean spirited insult. The fact that you are defending your rudeness is insulting of itself. I don't care to continue this with you. If you don't see that what you said was mean spirited and out of place--then we'll have to agree to disagree. I hope you have a great rest of your day.
You read nothing of what I wrote. You are insulted because I told the people who quit they are replaceable? Are they not replaceable? Does fantasy end because they quit? And defending my opinion is even more insulting? You are a little too sensitive in my opinion. Not only are people upset and quitting because fantasy football is too much, they are now upset because you tell them they can be replaced. Back to celebrating quitting and I hope you have a great rest of your day as well.
Even if you don't feel the way the OP feels, why not read a thread like this with a view to learning something?
This is a community to some of us and some of us have made friends here as well as played in leagues together over a decade.
I read everything that you wrote--but I purposely chose not to comment on it because it was obvious that you were trying to defend your completely out of place and rude comments by claiming they are some sort of contrarian opinion. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having an opposing point of view in these threads--opposing points of view are what makes this place such a haven for information. However--even a contrarian point of view is something that should add something of value to the discussion and should promote further discussion. Your post did neither of those things. Your post basically said "who cares about you leaving and stop complaining". This is not contrarian--this is an example of disgusting behavior and I had no interest in having to point it out earlier. Many of the people that are talking about quitting in this thread are people that have contributed thousands (some even tens of thousands) of thoughts and opinions in this forum that we all enjoy---saying that they need to stop complaining and that they are replaceable is insulting to them-and insulting to people like me who actually respect this place as a community.
Some are not concerned with changing what they do. If you want to quit or tone down your play, feel free to do so. But some of us expect on a board devoted to making fantasy better and strengthening it as a hobby to not see people trying to cut down the game which is what a lot of people are doing here.
You respect this community devoted to fantasy football so much that you support people cutting down the game and quitting it and then feel insulted by those defending it and not celebrating quitting? If that is respect, sorry we can agree to disagree what respect is.
No reason to get personal. Also, it's easy to post on your league message board you won't be back.
No offense, but this is BS. It doesn't need to be a "look at me" thread, but these threads can be cathartic for people who are considering quitting or trying to cut down on their obsession. Fantasy football could probably have been considered an addiction for me years ago. For some people it's just not that easy to drop an addiction cold turkey...some people need reinforcement. We see these threads once or twice a year so obviously they help some people. Why do you have to hate on them?
Calling quitters replaceable is a no no. Calling them a doosh for being upset with quitters and a look at me thread is OK. Message boards never cease to amaze me.
Yeah calling names is totally uncalled for. With that being said I have no problem with this thread and have felt some of the same feelings as the op. Based on the responses many others have as well. If people don't like this thread just ignore it....simple as that. After all the seasons over and sometimes people just need to vent.
Everyone likes this default line when they dont like what others say.
The difference is this. This entire thread was started by one person (a long time fantasy football veteran)--who was displaying his feelings and his thoughts about why he needs to walk away from the hobby. Since his original post--if you read through the thread--it has become obvious that many other people have taken the time to reflect on how they may be better off taken a step back from the hobby as well. This one mans worthless "complaining" has actually ended up maybe making more family time for a couple of people who have taken the time to read through this thread. Maybe some people have read through it--and they have no interest in changing their fantasy football habits--but don't fool yourself by diminishing some people's thoughts as "complaining". The difference between your posts and the others is that yours has absolutely nothing to contribute. Yes--if I stop playing basketball tomorrow--there will be somebody else that starts playing it. That's not an opinion that contributes anything---that's you going out of your way to try to let somebody think that they don't matter. Telling people to stop complaining is not contributory. I guarantee you that this "complaining" will result in a few people spending more times with their families--while your post contributes nothing. If this type of thing offends you--then don't enter these threads. The title of the thread was not misleading--it is crystal clear about what kind of stuff is being spoken about in here. You being offended by people talking about their desires to quit fantasy football in a threat that's basically titled that--is no different than walking into a Mexian restaurant and being offended that they serve tacos.
I guess I never looked at FF as an addiction
However, sometimes it irritates me that I have to tend to something in a league and I'd much rather be doing one of my other hobbies. Also, I'm not hating on anyone. I simply stated an opinion and if you don't agree with it I won't hate on you either.
This is what the playoffs for me are, to enjoy the game of football. Regular season I need fantasy to make the Tennessee vs Cleveland games much more enjoyable.
DJ, I don't disagree as that is one of the things I love about the playoffs except I also some years like to pick a QB, RB, WR, TE and see how many games they can stay alive to rack points in the playoffs.
Playing 25 plus years that is what is was for me too.
Great post. Ironically enough I also started fantasy sports with baseball first and foremost. Rotisserie style to be exact. The greatest day was auction day where 12 of us would gather at the local baseball card shop our commish owned and we were there for 12 hours easy constructing our team as well as our reserve team ($1 specials we used to call them). Ordering multiple pizza's, and having a blast. Baseball is highly involving and I only was able to play 3 seasons before the time commitment became too much. I latched onto FF because it was once a week, set your lineup...done. And it lasted like that till 2002, 2003, then the internet just changed it all. I also was obsessed with dynasty leagues. The best form of FF (IMO of course). It was an awesome run.
Maybe what you are missing here is that the forum is, especially for long time members, a place for many things. The FFA is highly used and the discussions branch well beyond a single-focused FF topic.
I think there are lot's of activities and milestones that this applies to so it shouldn't really seem strange applied to FF. I'm 48 and a hockey goalie and each Spring and Fall there's a gut check of sorts that takes place. Am I playing another year? Can I play another year? Do I want to? etc.
I think that is a myopic view.
I have stated my case and as always the mob mentality kicks in and fail to see the point.
Damn straight. I finally hung up my cleats playing competitive baseball and softball at age 45. It was just "time". When these young bucks face that decision they will finally "get it".
Just isn't as fun. Of course I'm older now too and can see that as childish behavior. I participated too, but that's not really who I am at all.
You are comparing retiring from a sport that takes talent and a physical ability to the same as quitting running a team on the internet?
I never said calling quitters replaceable a no no. But being a doosh...is something I will always call out.
Likewise. But I was talking to the guy who called me rude for saying people are replaceable but he is OK with people being called names.
My wife and I took our granddaughter to Door County when she was 6. It was a very memorable and enjoyable weekend. Same for Disney World, but that one about killed my feet. I remember going to Disney World as a kid when it first opened, so I wanted my granddaughter to have the same experience, only better now. I agree with you not to let life pass you by because it will be over before you know it. I'm 56 and I feel very mortal right now.Well said. And I agree. It does become a big part of your life. Too big for me, as it were.
When you start to realize that you are literally putting in hundreds (thousands?) of hours reading about players and coaching and what not, and the top prize for your league is like $1000, that's just not a good investment of time. You'd be much better off volunteering or working minimum wage jobs. However that's not why I played. I played for the competition and prestige of being a champion at something (rare once you become a grown up). I was good too, winning several titles over the years.
But then the past few years it became tedious for some reason. Maybe it's kids or just seeing how much better my time could be spent. Fantasy football is basically masturbation. All that effort doesn't really move your life forward in any real way (and backwards in a lot of ways). You know more about guys you'll never meet playing a game you can't play anymore....yay. Just seems rather pointless. I used to convince myself that the prize was worth it, but it simply isn't. I remember being called out by my wife while we were at Disney World for being on my phone. That's crazy. Why would I do that? Why would I want to? But there I was....I remember grabbing Josh Gordon out of FA when he went in the supplemental draft....while I was on a nice weekend away at a bed and breakfast with my wife. I was so pumped. Not for the experience of Door county, Wisconsin, but because I improved my roster a little bit. Just bananas.
It really became apparent to me this season with the crush of DFS. I mean there it is, in stark relief right? Fantasy football with all the social aspects stripped away, boiled down to just you and the bots. And people were throwing their money at it. Not to be a champion, not for bragging rights or a travelling trophy to display on their mantle. But to get their dopamine hit. People I've know for quitting our fantasy leagues so they can do the daily game. Then the bomb drops and we find out it's rigged. That your chances are very very slim of making any money. But people are behaving like crack addicts. Just can't stop. Heck there was a guy in one of the threads on this board who stated "I took out all my money, but I'll put it back in if I need to." That comment struck me as odd. Why would he need to put money in? No thanks.
So the luck factor has increased (or is just more obvious now) and if you are going to depend on luck, why not just cut cards for $100 bills and save a ton of time (time you could spend at Disney World or Door County perhaps)? The social part is gone. The skill is an illusion. It comes down to luck. So why would I continue to put in hundreds of hours into luck? It just doesn't make sense for me anymore. If I am going to dedicate myself to something, why not dedicate it to something that has a positive end result such as woodworking or drawing pictures with my kids? The time suck is immense. And time is a very limited resource. My mom died this year too, bringing the value of time to the forefront in my life. She was 62 years old and healthy. And dead at 63 from cancer. Boom, that fast. I thought to myself "would you play fantasy football in your final year on the planet if you knew you were cooked?" The answer was no. But the truth is we only get one go round and this might just be the final year....or five years...or 20. So don't waste your time. And that's what football became to me once the social aspect was destroyed. A waste of time.
Cheers....
And this board has really gone south as well. Not sure if it's a generational thing or whatever, but it just somebody upthread summed it perfectly by calling it the "Snark Pool." Gone are the long epic Sigmund Bloom threads or even the really good MOP threads. It's all sniping and posturing and
I actually really like the Shark Pool for general football info. The Bills thread here is a pretty good mix of people from all over the country and an overall good group of people. I don't really venture into the FF-specific threads, projections, etc., but the team threads and player news threads are very helpful. I can't stand the NFL media onslaught and don't watch much ESPN, so I end up getting a lot of my NFL news here.
No not that aspect. Just talking about the emotional aspect of doing something for 20 plus years....not the effort or what it takes. Just simply the time you have invested in doing something however big or small.
Same here. I am sure I will hang around the Dolphins thread pretty much. I will still read the team threads too as I do love to still gamble on football every season and there is great homer insight on player injuries and what not. I always have loved that aspect. Just bet a game....it always makes it worth watching with some shekels on it!!!
I get emotional over fantasy football, I have tons of passion for the game. So in full disclosure to justify that, I have made enough each of the past few years to where it would equal a good paying FT salary. Maybe thats why I do not get the stresses from the wife and kids. Because the extra money has paid for their vacations, cars and even school. When I stop winning, that all may change and I may not have the passion. But for now after 17 years of fantasy, I still love it as it were my first year.
I have never understood this line of thinking at all in that the recommendation for "enjoying" FF is to overwhelm yourself to a point to where you can't possibly keep up with all the details. And for many of us who began playing, a big draw WAS that it was about details and crunching numbers and understanding trends and increasing our knowledge of a the game.I strongly agree with these 3 as well. When I got up to 5 leagues a couple of years ago, friends and wife were like "wow? Really?" And I kind of agreed with them at first and thought I might have gone too far. But the opposite was true. It was the right amount of leagues cuz it was too many to exactly remember every starter and bench player on every team I owned. And definitely impossible to know who the heck I was up against in every league. I'd see friends in the hallways on Monday and they'd say "nice win this weekend" and I'd say "wait. Did we play each other this weekend? Sorry I can't keep track." It's a HEATHLY level of "can't keep track" that allows me to once again enjoy the football games for the fun games that they are, as well as still indulge in my love of playing this silly fantasy football game, trying to out-draft and out-waiver-wire my friends/opponents. Winning a little cash is a nice bonus as well, but not essential to me.
So, yes, getting to 4 or 5 leagues was the key for me to balance managing my teams well with not being able to obsess over a single league or two.
In addition, having 5 leagues always meant that I won in at least ONE league each week. Something to feel good about on Monday night. When I was in "just" 2 or 3 leagues, I might have a down week where all of my teams lost. That stunk. Adding a couple more leagues to the mix solved that one
I haven't really gotten into DFS. But it's shifted the axis of FF overall to being much more of a gambling-type endeavor. And to be frank, I'm not sure if my 20-year old self would have played season long FF - DFS actually is conceptually a better way for someone learning about FF to play. In fact, I had a conversation with a colleague originally from South Africa who had only within the last 2-3 years gotten into American Football. And my recommendation to him was if he wanted to learn/play FF, he should start with DFS. If he liked it, he could invest more time or more emotion in building a team once he got familiar with the concepts of the game.
Hey Tooth. Its clearly time for you and good luck with all the new things you will enjoy as a result!Well said. And I agree. It does become a big part of your life. Too big for me, as it were.
When you start to realize that you are literally putting in hundreds (thousands?) of hours reading about players and coaching and what not, and the top prize for your league is like $1000, that's just not a good investment of time. You'd be much better off volunteering or working minimum wage jobs. However that's not why I played. I played for the competition and prestige of being a champion at something (rare once you become a grown up). I was good too, winning several titles over the years.
But then the past few years it became tedious for some reason. Maybe it's kids or just seeing how much better my time could be spent. Fantasy football is basically masturbation. All that effort doesn't really move your life forward in any real way (and backwards in a lot of ways). You know more about guys you'll never meet playing a game you can't play anymore....yay. Just seems rather pointless. I used to convince myself that the prize was worth it, but it simply isn't. I remember being called out by my wife while we were at Disney World for being on my phone. That's crazy. Why would I do that? Why would I want to? But there I was....I remember grabbing Josh Gordon out of FA when he went in the supplemental draft....while I was on a nice weekend away at a bed and breakfast with my wife. I was so pumped. Not for the experience of Door county, Wisconsin, but because I improved my roster a little bit. Just bananas.
It really became apparent to me this season with the crush of DFS. I mean there it is, in stark relief right? Fantasy football with all the social aspects stripped away, boiled down to just you and the bots. And people were throwing their money at it. Not to be a champion, not for bragging rights or a travelling trophy to display on their mantle. But to get their dopamine hit. People I've know for quitting our fantasy leagues so they can do the daily game. Then the bomb drops and we find out it's rigged. That your chances are very very slim of making any money. But people are behaving like crack addicts. Just can't stop. Heck there was a guy in one of the threads on this board who stated "I took out all my money, but I'll put it back in if I need to." That comment struck me as odd. Why would he need to put money in? No thanks.
So the luck factor has increased (or is just more obvious now) and if you are going to depend on luck, why not just cut cards for $100 bills and save a ton of time (time you could spend at Disney World or Door County perhaps)? The social part is gone. The skill is an illusion. It comes down to luck. So why would I continue to put in hundreds of hours into luck? It just doesn't make sense for me anymore. If I am going to dedicate myself to something, why not dedicate it to something that has a positive end result such as woodworking or drawing pictures with my kids? The time suck is immense. And time is a very limited resource. My mom died this year too, bringing the value of time to the forefront in my life. She was 62 years old and healthy. And dead at 63 from cancer. Boom, that fast. I thought to myself "would you play fantasy football in your final year on the planet if you knew you were cooked?" The answer was no. But the truth is we only get one go round and this might just be the final year....or five years...or 20. So don't waste your time. And that's what football became to me once the social aspect was destroyed. A waste of time.
Cheers....
And this board has really gone south as well. Not sure if it's a generational thing or whatever, but it just somebody upthread summed it perfectly by calling it the "Snark Pool." Gone are the long epic Sigmund Bloom threads or even the really good MOP threads. It's all sniping and posturing and
