The Pitbull
Footballguy
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7631862?MSNHPHMA
Well deserved IMO. 16-0 is 16-0 no matter how you slice it.
Well deserved IMO. 16-0 is 16-0 no matter how you slice it.
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Belichick Wins Coach of the Year (1 Viewer)
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Fantaholic
Footballguy
Damn it!!!
Now he will need to seek motivation somewhere else. Maybe Shula or somebody can go on ESPN saying that BB is a disgrace and un-deserving. Crossing my fingers.
Now he will need to seek motivation somewhere else. Maybe Shula or somebody can go on ESPN saying that BB is a disgrace and un-deserving. Crossing my fingers.
Waiting for all the detractors to bash him.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
He sucks as a coach. I'm a HATER!!! Are you happy?Waiting for all the detractors to bash him.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
I like how the rule was changed for players to not make the pro bowl if they were caught cheating in a given year, but it's okay for coaches to cheat and win awards the same year.
Lights out!
The Pitbull
Footballguy
Im REALLY shocked that Crennel didnt get a single vote. That's pretty surprising.
rick6668
Footballguy
For what? Back to back timeouts?Gruden? For what?My completely unbiased opinion thinks Gibbs should have gotten at least one vote, especially if Gruden got one.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I'm surprised Juaron didn't get a single vote. Congrats to BB, definitely deserved. Keeping guys focused for 16 games is tough to do.
BelichicksRevenge
Footballguy
Baby New Year
Footballguy
Gruden's mom put that vote in.Congrats to the best coach in the NFL!!!!Gruden? For what?My completely unbiased opinion thinks Gibbs should have gotten at least one vote, especially if Gruden got one.
The Pitbull
Footballguy
I think Gruden deserved a vote... at least he was playing with HIS own team. Phillips on the other hand... House money IMO.
enfuego
Footballguy
How philosophical...
Slinger
Footballguy
They should wait until after the playoffs to give awards like this. If he doesn't win the Superbowl then someone like Jeff Fisher or Jon Gruden should win it. They did a lot with less. Belichick has the best QB in the league, the best set of WR's, one of the best OL's, a great defense. Your mother could coach that team to 14 wins.
The GM for the Patriots definitely should win GM of the Year though. Getting Randy Moss for a lousy 4th rounder was the best move in all of sports this decade.
The GM for the Patriots definitely should win GM of the Year though. Getting Randy Moss for a lousy 4th rounder was the best move in all of sports this decade.
And I thought the award was for:
The National Football League Coach of the Year Award is presented annually by various news and sports organizations to the NFL head coach who has done the most outstanding job of working with the talent he has at his disposal.
Most preseason predictions for NE ranged from 12-4 to 16-0. So at best he won 4 more games than expected. At worst, he did what he should have done given the players he has. So there was no one else that did a more outstanding job of working with the talent at his disposal.
Its kind of funny as I can remember pulling for the Dolphins to go undefeated when I was younger, but the media this year has so turned me off on NE. Last time I checked there is more than one team in the NFL. I watch less ESPN and pregames shows because I just go sick of listening to NE this and NE that.
The National Football League Coach of the Year Award is presented annually by various news and sports organizations to the NFL head coach who has done the most outstanding job of working with the talent he has at his disposal.
Most preseason predictions for NE ranged from 12-4 to 16-0. So at best he won 4 more games than expected. At worst, he did what he should have done given the players he has. So there was no one else that did a more outstanding job of working with the talent at his disposal.
Its kind of funny as I can remember pulling for the Dolphins to go undefeated when I was younger, but the media this year has so turned me off on NE. Last time I checked there is more than one team in the NFL. I watch less ESPN and pregames shows because I just go sick of listening to NE this and NE that.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
16-0*
The Pitbull
Footballguy
There really isn’t much more to say about it IMO. This is one of those instances where the record really does speak for itself. Considering the circus that surrounded NE all season, and the fact that EVERY team they faced brought their "A++" game to the battle... going undefeated was an amazing accomplishment. Love him or hate him, you have to give the guy his due. He is the best coach in the game.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Going 16-0 is beyond impressive but the simple fact that he was caught cheating would have made me vote for someone else.
enfuego
Footballguy
...and oh so exciting to watch and listen to; before, during, and after games.
The Pitbull
Footballguy
Hey... I didn’t say he was the Most "Likable" or "charismatic" Coach in the league.
If he was caught cheating in week 8 and finished undefeated, he wouldn't deserve it. But week 1....... that's 15 games of cheat-free football
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Baby New Year
Footballguy
Uh....and wouldn't these people be making their preseason predictions based on BB coaching the team, and projecting off the Pats teams of the past few years which BB also coached? You haters are just going to have to man up and give the guy his due. Let's try and show a little class up in here. By the way, I'm definitely in agreement on the ESPN thing, but I can't get enough Pats coverage.
Baby New Year
Footballguy
Some of us probably think coach of the year should be awarded for coaching. If you need something exciting to look at, I'm sure you can find plenty of shirtless Brady youtube vids....
ChromeWeasel
Footballguy
If you were a Patriot fan it would be awesome though.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
You joined footballguys last night and you know who the haters are.......
? Can we get an alias check in aisle 4 please?Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
BB deserved to win. 16-0 is impressive, whether he cheated or not.
Too bad for McCarthy & Phillips, both guys could have won this award most years. Personally, I would have voted for McCarthy (but I'm also a Packer homer). The score will be settled in the Super Bowl, when Green Bay ruins NE's perfect season.
Too bad for McCarthy & Phillips, both guys could have won this award most years. Personally, I would have voted for McCarthy (but I'm also a Packer homer). The score will be settled in the Super Bowl, when Green Bay ruins NE's perfect season.
Baby New Year
Footballguy
I read that to mean he was sick of hearing about NE and ripping BB's award because they were expected to do well. Possibly I misread it. If not, ripping a guy for doing well when he was expected to do well seems haterrific.You joined footballguys last night and you know who the haters are.......
Give it a rest.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Didn't sound haterrific to me. Seemed to me like he honestly felt that other coaches did more with much less talent. Although his opinion may be incorrect, it's still not fair to call him a "hater" based on his opinion. Also, I can tell you IMHO that most people in here don't actually hate the Patriots......they "hate" a certain subgroup of obnoxious Patriots fans.....I read that to mean he was sick of hearing about NE and ripping BB's award because they were expected to do well. Possibly I misread it. If not, ripping a guy for doing well when he was expected to do well seems haterrific.You joined footballguys last night and you know who the haters are.......
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In most years, I am a NFL fan. I watch every game and show I can find. I want to know about all teams not just one. This year every annoucer feels he or she must talk NE or the world will end. 16-0 is a hell of an accomplish, but coach of the year it does not make when your team was the best on paper at the beginning of the year. As to the so called cheating, who cares. It seems likely other teams were doing the same thing.
To a point yes, everyone gets tired of hearing the same thing over and over and over and over and over.However, should the unthinkable happen happen
and NE get beat in the playoffs; the pain of just losing a superbowl with not compare.Baby New Year
Footballguy
Well, maybe I misread it. But if he honestly thought some guy was more deserving he should have actually dropped names and made cases. To just rip some guy for getting an award seems pretty much the opposite of a positive post to me, but I guess we 'll just have to disagree on that. Also, on a tangent I guess, that whole bit about the 'talent' on a team has always sounded very goofy to me. The 'talent' on well coached teams always looks impressive, while people will downgrade the 'talent' on poorly coached teams. Not to mention the fact that the players who are playing for the Pats this year are there because of BB, so that would be even more reason to vote for him. Personally, I think all these awards and pro bowl votes are less than meaningless, but if the guy wins the award give him his due credit for winning it. It wasn't so long ago people were saying 16 and 0 was impossible --- now it's apparently expected.
I will translateI read that to mean he was sick of hearing about NE and ripping BB's award because they were expected to do well. Possibly I misread it. If not, ripping a guy for doing well when he was expected to do well seems haterrific.You joined footballguys last night and you know who the haters are.......
I do hate NE and that is the price you pay for being a dam good team. I use to hate Pittsburgh and the Cowboys also.As to BB, hell of a coach. As to Coach of the Year, its a lot easier when you have a bunch of writers stuck up your ________ riding the wagon. As to which one I as a Packer fan would vote for? Not McCarthy. I kind of like the Browns coach this year.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
I don't disagree with you. He's definitely coach of the year in my mind. Although, he's been coaching with a chip on his shoulder all year so in some demented sort of way I almost wonder if he wishes that he hadn't won the award. He could then play the "lack of respect" card and use it for extra motivation (not that they necessarily need it).
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
My vote for coach of the year not caught and punished for cheating this year is Gary Kubiak.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
I stand corrected. Apologies to Baby New Years......I will translateI read that to mean he was sick of hearing about NE and ripping BB's award because they were expected to do well. Possibly I misread it. If not, ripping a guy for doing well when he was expected to do well seems haterrific.You joined footballguys last night and you know who the haters are.......?
I do hate NE and that is the price you pay for being a dam good team. I use to hate Pittsburgh and the Cowboys also.As to BB, hell of a coach. As to Coach of the Year, its a lot easier when you have a bunch of writers stuck up your ________ riding the wagon. As to which one I as a Packer fan would vote for? Not McCarthy. I kind of like the Browns coach this year.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
The Browns didn't even make the playoffs and they had a very weak schedule......I will translateI read that to mean he was sick of hearing about NE and ripping BB's award because they were expected to do well. Possibly I misread it. If not, ripping a guy for doing well when he was expected to do well seems haterrific.You joined footballguys last night and you know who the haters are.......
Baby New Year
Footballguy
Hater^^
????Are you serious??
psWhy do people say BB coached with a chip on his shoulder? What is the factual or even anecdotal support for this other than repeating what you read in some ESPN online column?
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Mr.Pack
Footballguy
Emeril
Footballguy
The number of ice cream sandwiches you eat has nothing to do with it, that's why he got no votes. The guy couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag, unless maybe you put a tray of pulled pork right outside the bag.Belichick winning is an abomination. He was fined and his team penalized a draft pick for cheating and they give him Coach of the Year. Laughable. Merriman fails a steroid test and gets invited to the Pro Bowl, Belichick blatantly cheats and wins Coach of the Year...Goodell is spending so much time showing he's a hard a##, and yet look at what's going on. Football better develop some higher standards. When sportsmanship and work ethic take a backseat to quick and easy methods of attaining an edge, you get what we've got in baseball - asterisk talk and Mitchell reports.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
It's impossible to provide factual evidence for this. Again, it's called an opinion. I put myself in the guys shoes and would definitely be out to get the league if I was fined and accused of cheating in week 1. I also believe that I'm not nearly as arrogant as Belichick. Given Belichick's arrogance (I'm sure you'll now ask me to provide factual evidence as to why Belichick is arrogant), I strongly believe that he was coaching with a chip on his shoulder this year.Hater.????Are you serious??psWhy do people say BB coached with a chip on his shoulder? What is the factual or even anecdotal support for this other than repeating what you read in some ESPN online column?
I believe the chip on the shoulder comment grows from NE playing like a college team worried about polls. Your suppose to be kind in the NFL to poor other teams and let up a bit once you get a healthy lead 
Since he is running up the score he must be mad, right? 
If your team is winning you want to see 35-17 or 72 - 13?
So BB gets the award cause they went 16-0 but would not have gotten the award had he gone 15-1 (article seems to say this). If 15-1 can not get the award, you are awarding the accomplishment not the coach who did the most with the least. My opinion
As to schedules and Cleveland, kind of hard to look at just that. Some teams grow during the year others fade. I wonder how the Giants would have fared had they played NE week 1 or 2. How would NE fare against SD if they played week 15 instead of week 2. Who knows. Looks at the inter division records of the NFC North and explain that?
Since he is running up the score he must be mad, right? If your team is winning you want to see 35-17 or 72 - 13?
So BB gets the award cause they went 16-0 but would not have gotten the award had he gone 15-1 (article seems to say this). If 15-1 can not get the award, you are awarding the accomplishment not the coach who did the most with the least. My opinion
As to schedules and Cleveland, kind of hard to look at just that. Some teams grow during the year others fade. I wonder how the Giants would have fared had they played NE week 1 or 2. How would NE fare against SD if they played week 15 instead of week 2. Who knows. Looks at the inter division records of the NFC North and explain that?
Baby New Year
Footballguy
That's pretty much exactly my theory on why people see it that way and I don't. You basically accuse him of doing something because you would do it, then blame him for your attitude. Apparently, you may have that last line backwards.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
You mean the circus brought on by Belichick himself for getting caught cheating? That circus? Hardly an obstacle to overcome that you can give him credit for overcoming. He cheated, got caught and brought the entire mess upon himself.I'm pretty surprised he got it. 16-0 is a tremendous accomplishment and nearly impossible to achieve, but traditionally they give this award to a more underdoggy type. Someone posted a great list of the last 10 or so CoYs and 80% or so were overachieving underdogs. This goes against the norm of who it is normally given to. With a squad this talented, it would be hard to not have a great season although it really took some finesse to get the perfect record. A record that the cheating did not help achieve. But I still think it shou;dn't have been ignored when it comes to this award.
However, I do agree that giving CoY to a guy who was convicted and punished for cheating is a little odd and sets a bad precedent. I don't like it, not that I don't think he doesn't deserve it for his coaching. But come on, the best coach in the league is a cheater and that's ok? Last year they still let roid boys into the ProBowl so you can't enact anything to keep cheating coaches out of CoY this year, but hopefully next year they'll do something similar like they did about the Pro Bowl.
As good as 16-0 is, he still had the best team, the most experienced team of veterans, and didn't do that much better than the expectations. Oh, and got caught cheating. McCarthy did a lot better IMO with what he had and BB should've come in second behind him IMO even without the cheating scandal.
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