Ben Tate- This season aside, what's his dynasty value? (1 Viewer)

[Skeletore Eh]

Ben Tate- RB - Browns
ESPN Cleveland's Tony Grossi believes Ben Tate would lose his starting job to rookie Terrance West "only through injury."
Tate knows OC Kyle Shanahan's run-game concepts, is functional in the passing game, and has plus-starter running ability. Injury has been his greatest NFL obstacle. Tate has missed 24 games through his first four NFL seasons and played in many more at less than 100 percent. He's a dicey RB2 in the middle rounds.



Jun 27 - 2:38 PM

 

[cstu]

Ben Tate- RB - Browns
ESPN Cleveland's Tony Grossi believes Ben Tate would lose his starting job to rookie Terrance West "only through injury."
Tate knows OC Kyle Shanahan's run-game concepts, is functional in the passing game, and has plus-starter running ability. Injury has been his greatest NFL obstacle. Tate has missed 24 games through his first four NFL seasons and played in many more at less than 100 percent. He's a dicey RB2 in the middle rounds.



Jun 27 - 2:38 PM

So you're telling me it's West's job?

 

[Bucky86]

Ben Tate- RB - Browns
ESPN Cleveland's Tony Grossi believes Ben Tate would lose his starting job to rookie Terrance West "only through injury."
Tate knows OC Kyle Shanahan's run-game concepts, is functional in the passing game, and has plus-starter running ability. Injury has been his greatest NFL obstacle. Tate has missed 24 games through his first four NFL seasons and played in many more at less than 100 percent. He's a dicey RB2 in the middle rounds.



Jun 27 - 2:38 PM

So you're telling me it's West's job?

My first decent offer I got, I sold Tate this offseason. If as a backup RB he couldn't stay healthy, then imagine him as the starter. It could backfire and he could end up a top RB, but history has shown he isn't durable.

 

[Khy]

Ben Tate- RB - Browns

ESPN Cleveland's Tony Grossi believes Ben Tate would lose his starting job to rookie Terrance West "only through injury."

Tate knows OC Kyle Shanahan's run-game concepts, is functional in the passing game, and has plus-starter running ability. Injury has been his greatest NFL obstacle. Tate has missed 24 games through his first four NFL seasons and played in many more at less than 100 percent. He's a dicey RB2 in the middle rounds.

Jun 27 - 2:38 PM

So you're telling me it's West's job?

My first decent offer I got, I sold Tate this offseason. If as a backup RB he couldn't stay healthy, then imagine him as the starter. It could backfire and he could end up a top RB, but history has shown he isn't durable.

I moved him and a 2nd for TRich there were some other late round picks thrown in but they were kind of irrelevant. So it was mainly Tate and 2015 2nd for Trich I was happy as pie with the trade. Richardson's career so far reminds me a little too much of Marshawn Lynch. He was decent his rookie season, then couldn't get past 4ypc and was terrible with SEA until his first full year with them. So I think he'll rebound. And Tate is Tate, him and JStew are the two most annoying RBs to own in the past 5 years. So much talent but they're made out of straw and twisty ties.

 

[Bucky86]

Ben Tate- RB - Browns

ESPN Cleveland's Tony Grossi believes Ben Tate would lose his starting job to rookie Terrance West "only through injury."

Tate knows OC Kyle Shanahan's run-game concepts, is functional in the passing game, and has plus-starter running ability. Injury has been his greatest NFL obstacle. Tate has missed 24 games through his first four NFL seasons and played in many more at less than 100 percent. He's a dicey RB2 in the middle rounds.

Jun 27 - 2:38 PM

So you're telling me it's West's job?

My first decent offer I got, I sold Tate this offseason. If as a backup RB he couldn't stay healthy, then imagine him as the starter. It could backfire and he could end up a top RB, but history has shown he isn't durable.

I moved him and a 2nd for TRich there were some other late round picks thrown in but they were kind of irrelevant. So it was mainly Tate and 2015 2nd for Trich I was happy as pie with the trade. Richardson's career so far reminds me a little too much of Marshawn Lynch. He was decent his rookie season, then couldn't get past 4ypc and was terrible with SEA until his first full year with them. So I think he'll rebound. And Tate is Tate, him and JStew are the two most annoying RBs to own in the past 5 years. So much talent but they're made out of straw and twisty ties.

I got the 1.7 for him. Turned that into Hyde. My team is probably 2 years from being competitive, so I figure this works out in my favor as long as Hyde becomes the guy once Gore is finished.

 

[Khy]

Ben Tate- RB - Browns

ESPN Cleveland's Tony Grossi believes Ben Tate would lose his starting job to rookie Terrance West "only through injury."

Tate knows OC Kyle Shanahan's run-game concepts, is functional in the passing game, and has plus-starter running ability. Injury has been his greatest NFL obstacle. Tate has missed 24 games through his first four NFL seasons and played in many more at less than 100 percent. He's a dicey RB2 in the middle rounds.

Jun 27 - 2:38 PM

So you're telling me it's West's job?

My first decent offer I got, I sold Tate this offseason. If as a backup RB he couldn't stay healthy, then imagine him as the starter. It could backfire and he could end up a top RB, but history has shown he isn't durable.

I moved him and a 2nd for TRich there were some other late round picks thrown in but they were kind of irrelevant. So it was mainly Tate and 2015 2nd for Trich I was happy as pie with the trade. Richardson's career so far reminds me a little too much of Marshawn Lynch. He was decent his rookie season, then couldn't get past 4ypc and was terrible with SEA until his first full year with them. So I think he'll rebound. And Tate is Tate, him and JStew are the two most annoying RBs to own in the past 5 years. So much talent but they're made out of straw and twisty ties.

I got the 1.7 for him. Turned that into Hyde. My team is probably 2 years from being competitive, so I figure this works out in my favor as long as Hyde becomes the guy once Gore is finished.

Wait, you got a 1.7 for Tate? I don't think I'd be able to hit accept fast enough for a 27 year old RB who has more injury history than playing history.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I couldn't get much for Tate in one league but was lucky to trade into the late 2nd for West

 

[jtd13]

Wait, you got a 1.7 for Tate? I don't think I'd be able to hit accept fast enough for a 27 year old RB who has more injury history than playing history.

Tate is 25. Apart from missing his rookie season, his injury history is just about the same as every RB in the league.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Wait, you got a 1.7 for Tate? I don't think I'd be able to hit accept fast enough for a 27 year old RB who has more injury history than playing history.

Tate is 25. Apart from missing his rookie season, his injury history is just about the same as every RB in the league.

Gearhart just turned 27

 

[Khy]

Wait, you got a 1.7 for Tate? I don't think I'd be able to hit accept fast enough for a 27 year old RB who has more injury history than playing history.

Tate is 25. Apart from missing his rookie season, his injury history is just about the same as every RB in the league.

That was a fat finger, I meant 26. He'll be 26 at the start of this season.

 

[Tool]

Wait, you got a 1.7 for Tate? I don't think I'd be able to hit accept fast enough for a 27 year old RB who has more injury history than playing history.

Tate is 25. Apart from missing his rookie season, his injury history is just about the same as every RB in the league.

I guess the difference is he's been a part-time player.

 

[jtd13]

That's true. I still think the injury label thing is overblown. I don't really consider him any more likely to get hurt than any other RB. That and the age thing (which I see now was an accident) just seemed like a lot of hyperbole.

 

[cstu]

That's true. I still think the injury label thing is overblown. I don't really consider him any more likely to get hurt than any other RB. That and the age thing (which I see now was an accident) just seemed like a lot of hyperbole.

Here's his injury history - it's pretty extensive.

 

[saintfool]

That's true. I still think the injury label thing is overblown. I don't really consider him any more likely to get hurt than any other RB. That and the age thing (which I see now was an accident) just seemed like a lot of hyperbole.

Here's his injury history - it's pretty extensive.

here's the thing for me: it's different injuries. he played with like 4 broken ribs for like 6 games last year. his rookie season injury was a broken ankle. he doesn't have any screws or pins in him, right? he doesn't have hamstring or knee issues. this is just reminds me of how fred taylor never quite lost the "fragile freddie" label but still kept putting up solid numbers for years. here's his chance to prove the doubters wrong.

 

[MAC_32]

That's true. I still think the injury label thing is overblown. I don't really consider him any more likely to get hurt than any other RB. That and the age thing (which I see now was an accident) just seemed like a lot of hyperbole.

Here's his injury history - it's pretty extensive.

here's the thing for me: it's different injuries. he played with like 4 broken ribs for like 6 games last year. his rookie season injury was a broken ankle. he doesn't have any screws or pins in him, right? he doesn't have hamstring or knee issues. this is just reminds me of how fred taylor never quite lost the "fragile freddie" label but still kept putting up solid numbers for years. here's his chance to prove the doubters wrong.

im not so sure he will get that chance. I think Browns want him as the primary early downs guy, but prefer the other guys to win the other jobs. Want and reality aren't always the same though.

 

[Faust]

Game Rewind Notebook: Is Ben Tate bell-cow material?

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Browns.com's Vic Carucci considers Ben Tate "at least a slight favorite" for the team's starting tailback job, but expects third-round pick Terrance West to pose serious competition.

Carucci expects a "spirited" battle, stating West has "quickly emerged as a formidable challenger." Carucci notes West is a "natural" in OC Kyle Shanahan's outside-zone scheme, and it "wouldn’t be the least bit surprising if he ends up winning the starting job or at least getting a significant number of carries in what is expected to be a run-oriented offense." Tate's Average Draft Position is the middle of the fifth round; West generally lasts until early in the eighth.

Related: Terrance West

Source: clevelandbrowns.com

Jul 18 - 4:57 PM

 

[Faust]

The Akron Beacon-Journal has Ben Tate "penciled in" as the Browns' starting running back with camp on the horizon.
Full-squad Browns camp begins Friday. Beat writer Nate Ulrich does consider third-round pick Terrance West a "legitimate threat." Tate has an early edge because of his background in Gary Kubiak's zone-running scheme, which is very similar to new Browns OC Kyle Shanahan's. If Tate makes it through camp healthy, he's the likely Week 1 starter. We still wouldn't be surprised if West ends up with more 2014 carries, based largely on Tate's injury history.

Source: Akron Beacon-Journal

 

[az_prof]

Anyone watch Tate in the CLE vs DET game? Box score for first quarter looks pretty good: 6 for 25 yards. Would appreciate hearing observations from those watching.

 

[Ilov80s]

Anyone watch Tate in the CLE vs DET game? Box score for first quarter looks pretty good: 6 for 25 yards. Would appreciate hearing observations from those watching.

Looked fine, he had lanes and ran through them. Nothing special though, didn't see him break any tackles or juke anyone. He fumbled but recovered it.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Ben Tate - RB - Browns

Ben Tate rushed for 51 yards on ten carries in Cleveland's second preseason game against the Redskins on Monday night.

Tate got the vast majority of the work in the first half; Terrance West saw just one carry. Tate was Cleveland's entire offense, as both Brian Hoyer and Johnny Manziel struggled badly passing the ball. Tate is a natural in OC Kyle Shanahan's zone-blocking scheme, and has a massive lead on West for the starting job. Through two preseason games, Tate has rushed for 76 yards on 16 carries (4.75 YPC). He has value at his late-fifth-round ADP.

Aug 18 - 10:04 PM

 

[AMT]

Bumping this thread- this guy is slated to be the lead back behind a great offensive line and run first offense. We all know about the injury risk. In ESPN he goes way higher because his default rank is like 2 rounds higher then Yahoo (where he can be had in the 5th-6th round.)

Are you guys taking him here above guys like Chris Johnson, Gore, Ray Rice etc? My one issue is there's no telling how many balls he will catch for PPR. Last year he had 34 catches for an abysmal 140 yards and ranked as the worst pass catching back in the league on pro football focus. What would you guys project his catches in a full season? If he's going to be a 20 catch guy then he's Frank Gore with less durability, if he can catch 40 his upside is way higher.

 

[az_prof]

Bumping this thread- this guy is slated to be the lead back behind a great offensive line and run first offense. We all know about the injury risk. In ESPN he goes way higher because his default rank is like 2 rounds higher then Yahoo (where he can be had in the 5th-6th round.)

Are you guys taking him here above guys like Chris Johnson, Gore, Ray Rice etc? My one issue is there's no telling how many balls he will catch for PPR. Last year he had 34 catches for an abysmal 140 yards and ranked as the worst pass catching back in the league on pro football focus. What would you guys project his catches in a full season? If he's going to be a 20 catch guy then he's Frank Gore with less durability, if he can catch 40 his upside is way higher.

I would take him before Chris Johnson, Gore and Rice.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I feel like if you want Tate your'e almost obligated to take West with your next pick, not a bad strategy if you find yourself at the beginning or end of the snake.

 

[cvnpoka]

id be worried. west alternated series and dion lewis was on for 3rd downs. this is an ugly committee in a terribad offense. i loved him at first but now gimme mjd or cj or sjax or whoever else is there.

 

[Tool]

id be worried. west alternated series and dion lewis was on for 3rd downs. this is an ugly committee in a terribad offense. i loved him at first but now gimme mjd or cj or sjax or whoever else is there.

is what happened in preseason relevant?

 

[SameSongNDance]

Coach Mike Pettine said Sunday he's "comfortable" leaving Ben Tate in on third downs.
Tate has obviously secured Cleveland's early-down rushing job, and it appears he'll open the season as a true every-down back. Rookie Terrance West faded as soon as the preseason began, getting exposed as not NFL-ready. The Browns' No. 3 tailback is UDFA Isaiah Crowell. Considering how poorly West played in August, it's possible Tate does not have a clear handcuff. West and Crowell might share the workload in the event of an injury to Tate.

Rather huge news I would imagine.

 

[Freelove]

I've come full circle on Tate.

I've got him pegged now as a third round value, and one you can probably get well after that. I like the way he's playing, the system he's in, and the line in front of him. I think even thoughts of committees and necessary handcuffs are pretty much by the wayside at this point. West didn't show me anything that would suggest in the event of a Tate injury, he'd do anything more than struggle.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I've come full circle on Tate.

I've got him pegged now as a third round value, and one you can probably get well after that. I like the way he's playing, the system he's in, and the line in front of him. I think even thoughts of committees and necessary handcuffs are pretty much by the wayside at this point. West didn't show me anything that would suggest in the event of a Tate injury, he'd do anything more than struggle.

I still refuse, I just can't get past his durability issues. Let's just put it into perspective..

He's been in the league for 4 years, in that time span he's amassed 479 touches (421 rushing, 58 receiving).

2010 - broke his foot, missed the entire season

2011 - pulled his groin vs. PIT in week 4 after amassing a large volume of touches in September, Foster came back in October

2012 - sprained his foot against TEN in week 4, missed a game, came back for two games then injured his hamstring, missed all of November

2013 - broke his ribs, played through it like a boss but wasn't as effective and was eventually placed on IR in week 15

How am I supposed to expect him to touch the ball 275-300 times, ~60% of his workload in the NFL up to this point and remain upright? The fact that West hasn't been super impressive isn't a plus, it's a negative. I'd feel much more comfortable if I knew I could cuff Tate but now I'd have to worry about Crowell possibly splitting reps or even taking over in the event Tate did go down. I just can't justify a 5th/6th round, let a lone a 3rd round investment with that kind of track record and so much uncertainty.

 

[Stealthycat]

I believe - I'm buying, have been for a while now.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Ben Tate - RB - Browns

Coach Mike Pettine said Sunday he's "comfortable" leaving Ben Tate in on third downs.

Tate has obviously secured Cleveland's early-down rushing job, and it appears he'll open the season as a true every-down back. Rookie Terrance West faded as soon as the preseason began, getting exposed as not NFL-ready. The Browns' No. 3 tailback is UDFA Isaiah Crowell. Considering how poorly West played in August, it's possible Tate does not have a clear handcuff. West and Crowell might share the workload in the event of an injury to Tate.

Source: Nate Ulrich on Twitter

Aug 31 - 6:16 PM

 

[flapgreen]

Thus guy is a hopeless piece of glass.

 

[ponchsox]

Thus guy is a hopeless piece of glass.

3 down back? Can't even survive the first game. Looks like a RBBC.

 

[Brewtown]

Poop

Crowell looks like the real deal!!!

 

[hotlanta]

What is going on with Tate? The media has been strangely silent on this one. There was a report that he was sent for an MRI during the game, which can't be a good sign since they don't usually do those right away.

Anybody see the injury? Did it look bad?

 

[socrates]

I have heard no news on the extent of Ben Tate's knee injury. Has anyone else heard anything?

There was this on Twitter from Ben Tate:

Ben Tate ‏@BenTateRB 11h
@MarkW2112 yep nothing that serious I will be ok thanks for asking

 

[hotlanta]

I have heard no news on the extent of Ben Tate's knee injury. Has anyone else heard anything?

There was this on Twitter from Ben Tate:

Ben Tate ‏@BenTateRB 11h
@MarkW2112 yep nothing that serious I will be ok thanks for asking

This makes it sounds like it's not an ACL, thankfully, but could be a knee sprain which is a 2-4 week injury depending on extent.

 

[ahartig]

What is going on with Tate? The media has been strangely silent on this one. There was a report that he was sent for an MRI during the game, which can't be a good sign since they don't usually do those right away.

Anybody see the injury? Did it look bad?

After the 25 yard run he got up and walked off without a noticeable limp if any at all. It did not look bad. I bet he sits out 1 to 2 weeks.

 

[Gopher State]

What is going on with Tate? The media has been strangely silent on this one. There was a report that he was sent for an MRI during the game, which can't be a good sign since they don't usually do those right away.

Anybody see the injury? Did it look bad?

After the 25 yard run he got up and walked off without a noticeable limp if any at all. It did not look bad. I bet he sits out 1 to 2 weeks.

So the question is in leagues with short rosters (I play in one with 12 roster spots) is Tate a hold or drop. If he is out 1 to 2 weeks, do the rookies take the job away from him, or at least make this a full blown RBBC, any thoughts going forward if the injury is minor. On short roster leagues, their is some good talent out their after week one

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@RapSheet: #Browns starting RB Ben Tate will likely miss a few weeks with a knee sprain, source says. At this point, no surgery required.

 

[socrates]

According to Around the NFL writer Kevin Patra, Ben Tate will miss 2-4 weeks.

"NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported Wednesday that Ben Tate will likely miss a few weeks with a knee sprain, according to a source informed of the injury. The length of the running back's absence depends on how he recovers; it could be as few as two weeks or as many as four."

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Ben Tate - RB - Browns

Speaking at Monday's presser, Browns coach Mike Pettine said Ben Tate (knee) "probably" won't return for Week 3.

Almost all signs suggest there's no "probably" about it, and that Tate won't suit up against the Ravens. Tate hinted last week that he's targeting a return after the Browns' Week 4 bye. Terrance West filled in ably against the Saints, and will remain in the RB2 conversation for as long as Tate is sidelined.

Related: Terrance West

Source: Mary Kay Cabot on Twitter

Sep 15 - 4:32 PM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Coach Mike Pettine was noncommittal Monday when asked if Ben Tate (knee) would return as a starter following the Browns' Week 4 bye.

Pettine said the Browns are "eager" to get back Tate, but the performance of rookies Terrance West and Isaiah Crowell has "made it tougher" to lean on Tate in the manner the team initially planned. They wanted to use Tate as an every-down back. Tate remains likely to retake the Browns' lead back role when healthy and should be owned in all leagues. West and Crowell's fantasy stock will both be very much touch and go when Tate returns.

Source: Nate Ulrich on Twitter

Sep 22 - 4:54 PM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Browns RBs coach Wilbert Montgomery expects Ben Tate (knee) to regain his starting job when healthy.

Tate is tentatively due back after Cleveland's Week 4 bye and should be owned in all fantasy leagues. The Akron Beacon Journal does agree with ESPN Cleveland that UDFA Isaiah Crowell has earned a bigger role, but Montgomery is planning on Tate returning as the lead back. "Thats what we brought Tate here for, to be the starter," Montgomery said. "Hes the No. 1 running back in this offense. Right now, you can say we miss him. We miss his experience. We miss his leadership with the group. Speaking from that standpoint, well be open arms and welcome to have Ben back into the fold."

Source: Akron Beacon-Journal

Sep 24 - 8:26 PM

 

[agent orange]

Let's hope this is true. Tate was supposedly far superior to the West and Crowell in camp and preseason, so I'm anxious to see how well he'll fare after even the rookies put up good numbers.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

ESPN Cleveland's Tony Grossi guesses that Ben Tate will handle roughly 15 carries per game when he returns from his knee injury, with rookies Isaiah Crowell and Terrance West sharing the other 10.

Grossi has been campaigning for Crowell to get more work, but even he admits Tate is likely to return as Cleveland's lead back. The real value in Crowell is derived from Tate's injury history, which was reemphasized when Tate left Week 1 after six carries and missed Weeks 2 and 3. Crowell has major upside and needs to be stashed everywhere, but Tate should return as a quality RB2. The Browns' next four games are against the Titans, Steelers, Jaguars, and Raiders. Not one of those four teams is defending the run well.

Source: Tony Grossi on Twitter

Sep 25 - 12:20 PM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Ben Tate (knee) is practicing Tuesday.

It's Tate's first practice since suffering a right knee sprain in Week 1. He was reportedly moving well, putting him on track to return as the starter for Sunday's tasty matchup with the Titans. Previous speculation had Tate handling about 60 percent of the running back carries, with impressive riser Isaiah Crowell and Terrance West getting the rest.

Related: Isaiah Crowell, Terrance West

Source: Nate Ulrich on Twitter

Sep 30 - 11:04 AM

 

[Winning IS Everything]

Rotoworld:

Ben Tate (knee) is practicing Tuesday.

It's Tate's first practice since suffering a right knee sprain in Week 1. He was reportedly moving well, putting him on track to return as the starter for Sunday's tasty matchup with the Titans. Previous speculation had Tate handling about 60 percent of the running back carries, with impressive riser Isaiah Crowell and Terrance West getting the rest.

Related: Isaiah Crowell, Terrance West

Source: Nate Ulrich on Twitter

Sep 30 - 11:04 AM

Great news! Thanks for the link.

 

[Dynasty Walkers]

Never got excited over Ben Tate when he was drafted and I still feel the same way today. Lots of owners sending Tate trade offers my way however.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Nate Ulrich ‏@NateUlrichABJ 4m4 minutes ago
#Browns RB Ben Tate: "Not to knock (West&Crowell) but anybody can have a great game or 2. It's how u put it together throughout the season."

If that quote is accurate it has to be the most ironic thing Tate has ever said. There's virtually no way he could ever put it together for an entire season.