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Ben Tate- This season aside, what's his dynasty value? (1 Viewer)

FBG's email update says something like "Will Tate continue to be the starter even after being outperformed by his backups?"

I've seen this sentiment a lot....I don't get where that's coming from. Wasn't he 6 carries for 41 yards prior to injury? I think that's a good performance.

 
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There's a reason Tate beat out Crowell/West to start. Sure experience was a big issue, but we should know that teams tend to run out veterans more often than the "upside" rookies for longer than we wish. Coaches and Team FO always see something we don't, whatever it is.

 
SCT said:
Tool said:
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
SCT said:
FBG's email update says something like "Will Tate continue to be the starter even after being outperformed by his backups?"
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Rotoworld-esque

For shame FBGs
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isn't that true?
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Isn't what true? That he's being outperformed by his backups? He is 6-41 on the year. Are they averaging 7 ypc?
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Well his backups have performed well and he hasn't really performed at all. To me, that's being outperformed by his backups,

 
Tool said:
SCT said:
Tool said:
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
SCT said:
FBG's email update says something like "Will Tate continue to be the starter even after being outperformed by his backups?"
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Rotoworld-esque

For shame FBGs
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isn't that true?
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Isn't what true? That he's being outperformed by his backups? He is 6-41 on the year. Are they averaging 7 ypc?
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Well his backups have performed well and he hasn't really performed at all. To me, that's being outperformed by his backups,
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So....Adrian Peterson has been outperformed by Matt Asiata these last two weeks?

 
hxperson said:
Tool said:
SCT said:
Tool said:
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
SCT said:
FBG's email update says something like "Will Tate continue to be the starter even after being outperformed by his backups?"
Click to expand...
Rotoworld-esque

For shame FBGs
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isn't that true?
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Isn't what true? That he's being outperformed by his backups? He is 6-41 on the year. Are they averaging 7 ypc?
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Well his backups have performed well and he hasn't really performed at all. To me, that's being outperformed by his backups,
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So....Adrian Peterson has been outperformed by Matt Asiata these last two weeks?
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Technically yes, but i look at Tate who is out due to injury. He got a few carries and got hurt. I guess it's a technicality and probably not worth any more of our time.

 
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I think that Tate has the potential to come back on one of the best running teams in the league and be a top 10 RB. He may also end up injured again or in a 3-way RBBC. But there are few players that can be had as cheaply with his upside value.

 
please, Tate owners, listen to former Tate owners in this thread: He isnt worth the paper he is printed on.trust us. you sound similar to the B. Pierce crowd who refuse to believe Taliaferro is here to stay.Crowell isnt going away..in two weeks, Tate will be hurt, or replaced by Crowell..everytime he has been given a chance to take the reins of the lead RB role, he fails.

 
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Rotoworld:

Ben Tate - RB - Browns

Coach Mike Pettine confirmed that Ben Tate (knee) remains on course to play and start Sunday's game against the Titans.

Tate remains limited a bit in Thursday's practice, but he's likely to see 12-15 touches against an undersized and soft Titans front this week. Isaiah Crowell and Terrance West will be competing for the rest of the work. When asked about dividing reps between three running backs, Pettine said, "It's not an easy problem. It is an issue. You have to have plan for it, be willing to adjust it." Tate is the best bet here as the starter, but he's going to have to play well in this hot-hand backfield.

Related: Isaiah Crowell, Terrance West

Source: Mary Kay Cabot on Twitter
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Rotoworld:

Ben Tate - RB - Browns

Ben Tate (knee) expressed some concern about his Week 5 status following Friday's practice.

Tate is listed as probable, but considers himself questionable. "Tomorrows going to be the test to see if it swells up," said Tate. It sounds like Tate isn't totally confident in the stability of his knee. We'll monitor this situation closely into Sunday morning. Reports out of Cleveland during the Browns' Week 4 bye were that Isaiah Crowell had moved ahead of Terrance West on the depth chart. Crowell and West should now be owned in all fantasy leagues.

Source: Mary Kay Cabot on Twitter

Oct 3 - 2:45 PM
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Ketamine Dreams said:
georg013 said:
Tate is back to his old ways I see. LMAO. This backfield will belong to the Crow in no time.
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I think you're right. Things are trending Crowell's way.
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The fact that Tate was still limited in practice earlier this week had me a bit concerned. I guess it was justified...

I had West backing up Tate since wk 2, but dropped him for Crowell yesterday. Couldn't afford to have all three.....and didn't want to miss him if Tate still isn't 100% after the Bye week. This is going to be an interesting Sunday morning regarding the Cleveland backfield IMO.

 
I can't believe Tate mentioned Adrian Peterson. LOL. What was he thinking?

If Tate's knee swells up Saturday, would they make him inactive Sunday or just sit him down? It would be dumb to play him if it risks re-injury. It would also seem dumb to waste a roster spot if he's not going to play, since they could use that for someone that helps on special teams or whatever.

 
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I've come full circle on Tate.

I've got him pegged now as a third round value, and one you can probably get well after that. I like the way he's playing, the system he's in, and the line in front of him. I think even thoughts of committees and necessary handcuffs are pretty much by the wayside at this point. West didn't show me anything that would suggest in the event of a Tate injury, he'd do anything more than struggle. :shrug:
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I still refuse, I just can't get past his durability issues. Let's just put it into perspective..

He's been in the league for 4 years, in that time span he's amassed 479 touches (421 rushing, 58 receiving).

2010 - broke his foot, missed the entire season

2011 - pulled his groin vs. PIT in week 4 after amassing a large volume of touches in September, Foster came back in October

2012 - sprained his foot against TEN in week 4, missed a game, came back for two games then injured his hamstring, missed all of November

2013 - broke his ribs, played through it like a boss but wasn't as effective and was eventually placed on IR in week 15

How am I supposed to expect him to touch the ball 275-300 times, ~60% of his workload in the NFL up to this point and remain upright? The fact that West hasn't been super impressive isn't a plus, it's a negative. I'd feel much more comfortable if I knew I could cuff Tate but now I'd have to worry about Crowell possibly splitting reps or even taking over in the event Tate did go down. I just can't justify a 5th/6th round, let a lone a 3rd round investment with that kind of track record and so much uncertainty.
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It was just never meant to be.

 
he looked pretty great doing it. hes got a lot more lateral ability and burst than the other runners. but man, he was really close to a td and all he needed to do was push a little harder.

 
Rotoworld:

Ben Tate rushed 16 times for 36 yards and caught a pass for a loss of two in the Browns' Week 7 loss to Jacksonville.

Without C Alex Mack, the Browns were unable to move the Jaguars' defensive front and frequently allowed backfield penetration. Isaiah Crowell and Terrance West mixed in for 14 touches off the bench, limiting Tate's workload. Expect the Browns' rushing attack to get back on track in Week 8 against the Raiders. Not involved much in Cleveland's passing game, Tate is shaping up as more of an RB2 than RB1, although he his upcoming schedule is quite favorable.

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Boy it really seemed like Tate had a great schedule all lined up: TEN, PIt, Jax, Oak, TB, Hou, Atl.

The Jax game and Hoyer's performance really cast this in doubt.

He still got a lot of carries (16) and a RZ opportunity from the 4 vs Jax though.

ETA - I also fear that Johnny M. will screw up this offense something fierce.

 
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The overall play began and ended in the trenches for CLE. With Mack out for the season, CLE tried to keep Greco at center and McQuistan at RG. It may have worked for the last few mins of the PIT game, but this is not a recipe for success. The line was gelling with Greco at RG. He needs to go back there and move their backup C McDonald into Mack's role. McQ is like a turnstile out there. If you watched the game, Jax came right up the middle and blew up plays consistently. No one will have a good game behind that patchwork line until they find a suitable replacement.

I read that C McDonald is on the mend and might play this weekend. If so, and they move Greco back to RG, then there is a chance we'll see better play all around against OAK. Until none of the RBs or Hoyer will have good stat lines, IMO.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Boy it really seemed like Tate had a great schedule all lined up: TEN, PIt, Jax, Oak, TB, Hou, Atl.

The Jax game and Hoyer's performance really cast this in doubt.

He still got a lot of carries (16) and a RZ opportunity from the 4 vs Jax though.

ETA - I also fear that Johnny M. will screw up this offense something fierce.
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He had a bad game after two good games, I think he will be OK.

 
I hope he's ok too. The breakdown on the oline above is definitely concerning though.

Fyi Cleveland is 2nd in the league in rush attempts per game and they are 2nd in run vs pass ratio (52.4%). I love everythinbg about that, they just need to get back on track vs Oakland which is yet another great run matchup, 2nd most FFPA to RBs.

 
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I hope he's ok too. The breakdown on the oline above is definitely concerning though.

Fyi Cleveland is 2nd in the league in rush attempts per game and they are 2nd in run vs pass ratio (52.4%). I love everythinbg about that, they just need to get back on track vs Oakland which is yet another great run matchup, 2nd most FFPA to RBs.
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I think they will, they may have their backup center healthy and that can be huge since Mack is already gone. They will get it sorted out. They passed more than they should against Jacksonville and were very predictable, I expect that will change since they will be at home. Hoyer cant put them in bad spots.

 
It would be great if the above re: reestablishing the run is correct and also the reports that Shan will stop mixing in the 3 backs and instead return to the simple 1-2 punch.

 
Wants to change to a rookie QB and wants to mess with the RB situation and bad teams wonder why they stay bad. They are 3-3 and they think the world is falling. Maybe this is why Shanahan has to keep finding work. I also believe Rotoworld is listening to a writier who is making his own interpretations. Must be a slow day in Cleveland. Any mention of all Crowells fumbles and that West cant get one yard? Lets not bring up the Cameron comment where they talk about not forcing it to the one of their best players.

ESPN Cleveland believes that OC Kyle Shanahan has concerns about Ben Tate as the Browns' feature back.
Tate has started or led the backfield in touches in every game he's been healthy, but Shanahan’s comments about wanting "one of the backs to separate" suggests the Browns aren't sold on him carrying the load. There could be a changing of the guard if Tate continues to struggle and one of Isaiah Crowell or Terrance West emerges with a hot-hand. Tate has a 2.8 YPC over the last two games. Crowell has been the most productive and could see his role increased. The Browns have the most invested in West as a third-round pick.
ESPN Cleveland's Tony Grossi reports that internal pressure to play Johnny Manziel has "turned up considerably."

Brian Hoyer is coming off a highly-unproductive loss to the Jaguars, leading the Browns to briefly consider going to Manziel in the second half. Hoyer has been mostly solid managing Kyle Shanahan's offense prior to last week, but his leash on the starting job is now in question. It could be only a matter of time before the Browns turn to Manziel. Hoyer is in danger of getting benched if he can't move the offense against the winless Raiders.

Browns coach Mike Pettine said the team will not force the ball to Jordan Cameron.
"If he’s open in the read and the ball gets thrown to him, he needs to catch it," Pettine said, "but we’re not going to force a ball to somebody." Cameron has seen 5.2 targets a game this year after seeing the ball come his way 7.9 times a contest last season. He has also been far less efficient, catching just 38% of his targets on the season. Cameron has the talent to turn it around, but he will need more consistent targets and more consistent quarterback play to regain top-five tight end status.

 
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Losing Mack is rotten luck. I didn't see the game (should be able to catch it today...) but everything I read about that game just makes it seem like a ridiculous series of miscues from the HC on down, oline, QB, RBs, defense, special teams.

But Grossi didn't seem to get the message from the presser:

The Browns tried to split carries among three running backs Sunday in a 24-6 loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars, and the rotation might have hurt more than it helped.

The Browns entered the game with the NFL’s No. 3 rushing attack (146.4 average), but they were held to just 69 yards on 30 carries (2.3 average).

“We’ll have a discussion this week as to how to best rotate those guys,” Browns coach Mike Pettine said Monday of an upcoming meeting with offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan and running backs coach Wilbert Montgomery. “You could make the argument it’s a good problem to have, but you’re still dealing with the word ‘problem.’ ”
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http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=39291

That doesn't sound like Pettine wants to rotate more, sounds like he wants to rotate less.

 
Jerry Curl said:
Wants to change to a rookie QB and wants to mess with the RB situation and bad teams wonder why they stay bad. They are 3-3 and they think the world is falling. Maybe this is why Shanahan has to keep finding work. I also believe Rotoworld is listening to a writier who is making his own interpretations. Must be a slow day in Cleveland. Any mention of all Crowells fumbles and that West cant get one yard? Lets not bring up the Cameron comment where they talk about not forcing it to the one of their best players.

ESPN Cleveland believes that OC Kyle Shanahan has concerns about Ben Tate as the Browns' feature back.
Tate has started or led the backfield in touches in every game he's been healthy, but Shanahan’s comments about wanting "one of the backs to separate" suggests the Browns aren't sold on him carrying the load. There could be a changing of the guard if Tate continues to struggle and one of Isaiah Crowell or Terrance West emerges with a hot-hand. Tate has a 2.8 YPC over the last two games. Crowell has been the most productive and could see his role increased. The Browns have the most invested in West as a third-round pick.
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No #### Sherlock. Pigs could fly out of this guys ####, Jim Brown could come back, the Browns could win today.

 
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thatguythere said:
Jerry Curl said:
Wants to change to a rookie QB and wants to mess with the RB situation and bad teams wonder why they stay bad. They are 3-3 and they think the world is falling. Maybe this is why Shanahan has to keep finding work. I also believe Rotoworld is listening to a writier who is making his own interpretations. Must be a slow day in Cleveland. Any mention of all Crowells fumbles and that West cant get one yard? Lets not bring up the Cameron comment where they talk about not forcing it to the one of their best players.

ESPN Cleveland believes that OC Kyle Shanahan has concerns about Ben Tate as the Browns' feature back.
Tate has started or led the backfield in touches in every game he's been healthy, but Shanahan’s comments about wanting "one of the backs to separate" suggests the Browns aren't sold on him carrying the load. There could be a changing of the guard if Tate continues to struggle and one of Isaiah Crowell or Terrance West emerges with a hot-hand. Tate has a 2.8 YPC over the last two games. Crowell has been the most productive and could see his role increased. The Browns have the most invested in West as a third-round pick.
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No #### Sherlock. Pigs could fly out of this guys ####, Jim Brown could come back, the Browns could win today.

Shanahan needs to #### and learn how to motivate his players without making statements to the press.
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I was only posting what Rotoworld said, but I agree with your statement.

 
Jerry Curl said:
thatguythere said:
Jerry Curl said:
Wants to change to a rookie QB and wants to mess with the RB situation and bad teams wonder why they stay bad. They are 3-3 and they think the world is falling. Maybe this is why Shanahan has to keep finding work. I also believe Rotoworld is listening to a writier who is making his own interpretations. Must be a slow day in Cleveland. Any mention of all Crowells fumbles and that West cant get one yard? Lets not bring up the Cameron comment where they talk about not forcing it to the one of their best players.

ESPN Cleveland believes that OC Kyle Shanahan has concerns about Ben Tate as the Browns' feature back.
Tate has started or led the backfield in touches in every game he's been healthy, but Shanahan’s comments about wanting "one of the backs to separate" suggests the Browns aren't sold on him carrying the load. There could be a changing of the guard if Tate continues to struggle and one of Isaiah Crowell or Terrance West emerges with a hot-hand. Tate has a 2.8 YPC over the last two games. Crowell has been the most productive and could see his role increased. The Browns have the most invested in West as a third-round pick.
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No #### Sherlock. Pigs could fly out of this guys ####, Jim Brown could come back, the Browns could win today.

Shanahan needs to #### and learn how to motivate his players without making statements to the press.
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I was only posting what Rotoworld said, but I agree with your statement.
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Oh I know. I was saying NSS to the writer not you. Sorry if that came off the wrong way.

 
thatguythere said:
Jerry Curl said:
thatguythere said:
Jerry Curl said:
Wants to change to a rookie QB and wants to mess with the RB situation and bad teams wonder why they stay bad. They are 3-3 and they think the world is falling. Maybe this is why Shanahan has to keep finding work. I also believe Rotoworld is listening to a writier who is making his own interpretations. Must be a slow day in Cleveland. Any mention of all Crowells fumbles and that West cant get one yard? Lets not bring up the Cameron comment where they talk about not forcing it to the one of their best players.

ESPN Cleveland believes that OC Kyle Shanahan has concerns about Ben Tate as the Browns' feature back.
Tate has started or led the backfield in touches in every game he's been healthy, but Shanahan’s comments about wanting "one of the backs to separate" suggests the Browns aren't sold on him carrying the load. There could be a changing of the guard if Tate continues to struggle and one of Isaiah Crowell or Terrance West emerges with a hot-hand. Tate has a 2.8 YPC over the last two games. Crowell has been the most productive and could see his role increased. The Browns have the most invested in West as a third-round pick.
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No #### Sherlock. Pigs could fly out of this guys ####, Jim Brown could come back, the Browns could win today.

Shanahan needs to #### and learn how to motivate his players without making statements to the press.
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I was only posting what Rotoworld said, but I agree with your statement.
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Oh I know. I was saying NSS to the writer not you. Sorry if that came off the wrong way.
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:thumbup:

 
Rotoworld:

Ben Tate rushed 16 times for 25 yards and a touchdown and caught one pass for eight yards in the Browns' Week 8 win over the Raiders.

Thoroughly ineffective for the second straight week, Tate was stuffed on a third-quarter red-zone carry, and lost eight touches to Terrance West in addition to two to Isaiah Crowell. Fantasy owners should be thankful Tate scored a five-yard rushing touchdown late in the third quarter, effectively salvaging his fantasy day. Cleveland's once-unstoppable rushing attack has hit a cement wall in the absence of C Alex Mack, who won't return this season. Even against a weak Buccaneers run defense in Week 9, Tate will be a risky RB2 option.

Oct 26 - 7:38 PM
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Faust said:
Rotoworld:

Ben Tate rushed 16 times for 25 yards and a touchdown and caught one pass for eight yards in the Browns' Week 8 win over the Raiders.

Thoroughly ineffective for the second straight week, Tate was stuffed on a third-quarter red-zone carry, and lost eight touches to Terrance West in addition to two to Isaiah Crowell. Fantasy owners should be thankful Tate scored a five-yard rushing touchdown late in the third quarter, effectively salvaging his fantasy day. Cleveland's once-unstoppable rushing attack has hit a cement wall in the absence of C Alex Mack, who won't return this season. Even against a weak Buccaneers run defense in Week 9, Tate will be a risky RB2 option.

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Losing Alex Mack hurt but it isn't the whole problem. Hoyer isn't scaring anyone.

 
I like how Tate (16) "lost" carries to Crowell (8) and West (2) in RWs estimation. As if every other RB gets every carry.

 
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