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Best singer that died young? (1 Viewer)

Notorius B.I.G should get some mentions. Dude was only like 24 or 25.
Did he ever actually sing? Not trying to be a wiseacre, but someone who only raps is not a singer.
Based on what? A subjective opinion? There are many people who believe that rapping is a form and a genre of singing. Tupac got mentioned here with no pushback. If somebody is delivering vocals to music—there is no reason why they shouldn’t be included as answers to a question like this.
 
Not surprised to see Joplin mentioned a bit, but I don't get it and never have. Sure, if you like a singer who sounds like she just smoked five packs of cigarettes and cut a vocal, have at it. Don't get me wrong, I like plenty of flawed/imperfect singers, but I just don't get the Janis Joplin worship.

Agree. How often are you like hey play that awesome joplin

Literally never. Given what reverence the original Woodstock holds, it feels like just every artist who performed there is held up as a sacred cow.
I understand the sentiment, but clearly some people like the raspy, gritty sound. Whatever your stance on the quality of her voice, she certainly belted out tunes with an abundance of emotion and power. I like Joplin. I don't go crazy for her, but I admire and enjoy listening. But then again, I like Bob Dylan's voice too, so take that under consideration.
 
Notorius B.I.G should get some mentions. Dude was only like 24 or 25.
Did he ever actually sing? Not trying to be a wiseacre, but someone who only raps is not a singer.
Based on what? A subjective opinion? There are many people who believe that rapping is a form and a genre of singing. Tupac got mentioned here with no pushback. If somebody is delivering vocals to music—there is no reason why they shouldn’t be included as answers to a question like this.
Rapping is a form of rhythmic talking, but it is not singing. Just like growling (like in death metal) is not singing, it is growling. Both rapping and growling are talents, but I don't think either can be categorized as singing.

As to the last part, if someone narrates over a song, they are delivering vocals to music - does that make them a singer?
 
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Notorius B.I.G should get some mentions. Dude was only like 24 or 25.
Did he ever actually sing? Not trying to be a wiseacre, but someone who only raps is not a singer.
Based on what? A subjective opinion? There are many people who believe that rapping is a form and a genre of singing. Tupac got mentioned here with no pushback. If somebody is delivering vocals to music—there is no reason why they shouldn’t be included as answers to a question like this.
Rapping is a form of rhythmic talking, but it is not singing. Just like growling (like in death metal) is not singing, it is growling. Both rapping and growling are talents, but I don't think either can be categorized as singing.

As to the last part, if someone narrates over a song, they are delivering vocals to music - does that make them a singer?
The OP that started this thread named Tupac in the first post. The context that he was asking the question clearly included rappers as part of the mix. If you want to start a thread about ranking people with the best vocal ranges that died young—that’s a different context than how this was presented. Cobain’s singing skills weren’t amazing in regards to vocal range either—but he’s on his list due to musicianship and perhaps the impact he had on the music scene at the time. I just mentioned Big-E in the direction and context in which the person that started the thread seemed to be indicating.
 
Notorius B.I.G should get some mentions. Dude was only like 24 or 25.
Did he ever actually sing? Not trying to be a wiseacre, but someone who only raps is not a singer.
Based on what? A subjective opinion? There are many people who believe that rapping is a form and a genre of singing. Tupac got mentioned here with no pushback. If somebody is delivering vocals to music—there is no reason why they shouldn’t be included as answers to a question like this.
Rapping is a form of rhythmic talking, but it is not singing. Just like growling (like in death metal) is not singing, it is growling. Both rapping and growling are talents, but I don't think either can be categorized as singing.

As to the last part, if someone narrates over a song, they are delivering vocals to music - does that make them a singer?
The OP that started this thread named Tupac in the first post. The context that he was asking the question clearly included rappers as part of the mix. If you want to start a thread about ranking people with the best vocal ranges that died young—that’s a different context than how this was presented. Cobain’s singing skills weren’t amazing in regards to vocal range either—but he’s on his list due to musicianship and perhaps the impact he had on the music scene at the time. I just mentioned Big-E in the direction and context in which the person that started the thread seemed to be indicating.
Totally understand. I wasn't trying to pick on your rapper and ignore the other ones. It's just the thought that hit me when scrolling. No offense intended.
 
That Terry Kath fella from Chicago was a great singer, besides being an incredible guitar player. He was 31 when he had the gun accident. They called him WRC I believe. Colour My World was amazing. Make Me Smile is pretty cool also.
Band really changed when Cetera took over as the main singer, and not for the better.

Pencil me in for Morrison.
 
That Terry Kath fella from Chicago was a great singer, besides being an incredible guitar player. He was 31 when he had the gun accident. They called him WRC I believe. Colour My World was amazing. Make Me Smile is pretty cool also.
Band really changed when Cetera took over as the main singer, and not for the better.
I would have loved to see where they went if Terry never died. He seemed to be the center of their universe, and Pete seemed to follow him.
 
Big Pun easily the most talented MC to pass away just when he was really about to blow up. Much better lyrically than Biggie or Pac and should be mentioned in the same breath:


 
Band really changed when Cetera took over as the main singer, and not for the better.
Netflix has a documentary on David Foster, the producer of the 1980's era of Chicago.

There wasn't much choice in changing the direction of the band and its sound. It was either that or get dropped from the label. Disco and punk had made the band obsolete. They were done.

In less than five years, Foster and Cetera gave the band more and bigger hits than they had in the previous fifteen years.
 
That Terry Kath fella from Chicago was a great singer, besides being an incredible guitar player. He was 31 when he had the gun accident. They called him WRC I believe. Colour My World was amazing. Make Me Smile is pretty cool also.
You'll be hearing a lot from him in that other thread we're doing.
 
That Terry Kath fella from Chicago was a great singer, besides being an incredible guitar player. He was 31 when he had the gun accident. They called him WRC I believe. Colour My World was amazing. Make Me Smile is pretty cool also.
Band really changed when Cetera took over as the main singer, and not for the better.
It was more of a gradual process, but by 1973 almost every single they released until his departure was sung by him. The album tracks were a different story until the '80s.
 
That Terry Kath fella from Chicago was a great singer, besides being an incredible guitar player. He was 31 when he had the gun accident. They called him WRC I believe. Colour My World was amazing. Make Me Smile is pretty cool also.
Band really changed when Cetera took over as the main singer, and not for the better.
I would have loved to see where they went if Terry never died. He seemed to be the center of their universe, and Pete seemed to follow him.
Here's what I said about that in the other thread. It was part of the long-a$$ band history posts that I put in spoiler tags so as not to annoy people scrolling on their phones.

There has been much debate about whether Chicago's turn to '80s synth-heavy balladry would have happened had Terry Kath lived. No. 1, I don't think he would have prevented anything had he remained in the band. In the late '70s and '80s, if you wanted hits, they had to sound a certain way -- what that way was changed from year to year -- and record companies were very involved in making sure their singles artists conformed. No one person, especially one from a "faceless" band, could reverse that trend. No. 2, I think there's a good chance he would have left the band by 1982. By the mid '70s he had become frustrated that he wasn't perceived as a guitar hero like Hendrix, Clapton, Page, etc., even though he was every bit the equal of their talent. Even before Cetera, he was the first to chafe at the "faceless" public persona of the band. He was not a fan of some of the poppier material that Cetera, Lamm and Pankow were writing. He was also becoming less interested in working with horns, and about half the songs he contributed to the band between 1972 and his death did not have them. In fact, he was working on a horns-less solo album at the time of his death. One of its songs, Takin' It on Uptown, was co-opted for Chicago XI, but the rest was mostly not completed and has never surfaced.
 
Notorius B.I.G should get some mentions. Dude was only like 24 or 25.
Did he ever actually sing? Not trying to be a wiseacre, but someone who only raps is not a singer.
Based on what? A subjective opinion? There are many people who believe that rapping is a form and a genre of singing. Tupac got mentioned here with no pushback. If somebody is delivering vocals to music—there is no reason why they shouldn’t be included as answers to a question like this.
Rapping is a form of rhythmic talking, but it is not singing. Just like growling (like in death metal) is not singing, it is growling. Both rapping and growling are talents, but I don't think either can be categorized as singing.

As to the last part, if someone narrates over a song, they are delivering vocals to music - does that make them a singer?
The OP that started this thread named Tupac in the first post. The context that he was asking the question clearly included rappers as part of the mix. If you want to start a thread about ranking people with the best vocal ranges that died young—that’s a different context than how this was presented. Cobain’s singing skills weren’t amazing in regards to vocal range either—but he’s on his list due to musicianship and perhaps the impact he had on the music scene at the time. I just mentioned Big-E in the direction and context in which the person that started the thread seemed to be indicating.
Musicianship….and Cobain is an oxymoron.

So anyway…..like we all agree on one thing. It’s purely subjective.
 
Based on what? A subjective opinion?
It could be considered an objective opinion as well though. I’ve never heard a rap artist called a “singer”, maybe a “vocalist”, and generally speaking rappers are more praised for their rhythm and flow than their actual voices.

With that sad, no issue with hip hop artists getting mentioned if that’s who people like (and miss).
 
If we're allowed to broaden singers to include rappers, then I'm going to take the liberty of broadening the definition of "young."

Billie Holiday dying at age 44 was an American tragedy.
 
Based on what? A subjective opinion?
It could be considered an objective opinion as well though. I’ve never heard a rap artist called a “singer”, maybe a “vocalist”, and generally speaking rappers are more praised for their rhythm and flow than their actual voices.

With that sad, no issue with hip hop artists getting mentioned if that’s who people like (and miss).

It gets into sort of a gray area though as there are countless rappers that rap on pitch, which, to me, makes it indistinguishable from the basic elements of singing.
 
Rapping is not considered a form of singing as it does not involve a melodic delivery of lyrics. Instead, it emphasizes rhythm, flow, and spoken phrases. Despite occasional overlap between the two, they are distinct art forms.


is rap a form of singing?

the answer is no!
While both involve using the voice as an instrument, singing emphasizes on holding notes, pitch changes, and melodic patterns, whereas rap is all about the rhythmic delivery of rhyming verses in a spoken word-like style.


Because of the more intricate training that is required to become a good singer, singing is an order of magnitude more difficult than rapping.

 
Neighbor buddy set up a fun garage cantina with a great karaoke set up. I'm horrible, but it's fun. The hardest thing any of us have ever tried to pull off is rap. As bad as we are at singing, it's doable. Try some Eminem on for size. I can't even come close to hitting his cadence or whatever.
 
Rapping is not considered a form of singing as it does not involve a melodic delivery of lyrics. Instead, it emphasizes rhythm, flow, and spoken phrases. Despite occasional overlap between the two, they are distinct art forms.


is rap a form of singing?

the answer is no!
While both involve using the voice as an instrument, singing emphasizes on holding notes, pitch changes, and melodic patterns, whereas rap is all about the rhythmic delivery of rhyming verses in a spoken word-like style.


Because of the more intricate training that is required to become a good singer, singing is an order of magnitude more difficult than rapping.


Is this rapping or singing?

Is this rapping or singing?
 
Rapping is not considered a form of singing as it does not involve a melodic delivery of lyrics. Instead, it emphasizes rhythm, flow, and spoken phrases. Despite occasional overlap between the two, they are distinct art forms.


is rap a form of singing?

the answer is no!
While both involve using the voice as an instrument, singing emphasizes on holding notes, pitch changes, and melodic patterns, whereas rap is all about the rhythmic delivery of rhyming verses in a spoken word-like style.


Because of the more intricate training that is required to become a good singer, singing is an order of magnitude more difficult than rapping.


Is this rapping or singing?

Is this rapping or singing?
Using the technical definitions provided above (and elsewhere), prove which definition each example fits under
 
Rapping is not considered a form of singing as it does not involve a melodic delivery of lyrics. Instead, it emphasizes rhythm, flow, and spoken phrases. Despite occasional overlap between the two, they are distinct art forms.


is rap a form of singing?

the answer is no!
While both involve using the voice as an instrument, singing emphasizes on holding notes, pitch changes, and melodic patterns, whereas rap is all about the rhythmic delivery of rhyming verses in a spoken word-like style.


Because of the more intricate training that is required to become a good singer, singing is an order of magnitude more difficult than rapping.


Is this rapping or singing?

Is this rapping or singing?
Using the technical definitions provided above (and elsewhere), prove which definition each example fits under

These are the definitions you are advancing. I’m asking for your answer regarding the two examples based on how you’ve set up the distinction. Do you care to answer? If you are having trouble or are resistant to answering, perhaps the distinction isn’t as clear as you make it.
 

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