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Best team in the NFL after week 13 (1 Viewer)
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My thoughts:
Lions- They don't have a good D. I dont trust Goff in a big game.
Eagles- Top D, Saquon put them over top. This is team to beat IMO
Bills- Allen is amazing. Do they have enough weapons though?
Chiefs- Been way too lucky this year. Offense stinks. Defense doesnt cause turnovers.
Vikings- Sam Darnold led offense is ugly.
Steelers- Too many FGs. Love their D, not their O
Ravens- LJax is amazing but has never proven he can win a big game vs a top D in the playoffs.
Lions- They don't have a good D. I dont trust Goff in a big game.
Eagles- Top D, Saquon put them over top. This is team to beat IMO
Bills- Allen is amazing. Do they have enough weapons though?
Chiefs- Been way too lucky this year. Offense stinks. Defense doesnt cause turnovers.
Vikings- Sam Darnold led offense is ugly.
Steelers- Too many FGs. Love their D, not their O
Ravens- LJax is amazing but has never proven he can win a big game vs a top D in the playoffs.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
See my comments in the week 9 and week 12 versions of this question. Eagles are the most complete team, they are dominating both sides of the ball and they are doing so most recently without Davonta and frankly with 60-70% of Fangio's defensive playbook. They have room to improve, which is scary.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Interesting piece from the Athletic this morning: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5962448/2024/12/02/packers-vikings-lions-bears-nfc-north/
Analysis is based on a 9.36 ppg margin of victory in non-division games. The NFC North's W/L record in non-division games is 28-8 (.778).
It helps to be playing the weak AFC South. NFC North teams are 8-0 against Jacksonville and Tennessee and 14-2 overall (Bears lost to the Colts and Texans.)
Analysis is based on a 9.36 ppg margin of victory in non-division games. The NFC North's W/L record in non-division games is 28-8 (.778).
It helps to be playing the weak AFC South. NFC North teams are 8-0 against Jacksonville and Tennessee and 14-2 overall (Bears lost to the Colts and Texans.)
calcinorjones
Footballguy
At this point its essentially neck and neck w Eagles and Bills. I would probably give the edge to the Eagles based on the number of offensive playmakers and the dual threat running attack. Eagle D has been ratcheting up the intensity.
Lions are going to have a hard time overcoming injuries especially on the defensive side of the ball. Can the offense keep piling up points to overcome the gaps on defense?
KC is probably the most overrated team amongst the NFL’s top teams. Yeah wins count but it just feels like this team is wearing down from injuries, plug and pray veterans and having played deep into the postseason last several years.
Steelers are a wild card for sure. They check the boxes in many ways but can the defense keep making plays? Russ is probably the biggest steal in free agency and offers incredible veteran upside. Dude is gaming at the right time.
Not sure what to think about the Ravens. For all the talent and hype they sure find ways to lose games. Penalties are killing them almost as bad as the absolute demise of Tucker. Additionally, when this team falls behind Henry becomes extremely limited. He was brought in as the last missing piece and arguably the mitigation strategy on offense to keep Lamar from turning into an average QB vs the better teams. Yesterday’s loss to the Eagles will be a blueprint for how to beat the Ravens. They sure have to do something about Tucker. Tough spot.
Lions are going to have a hard time overcoming injuries especially on the defensive side of the ball. Can the offense keep piling up points to overcome the gaps on defense?
KC is probably the most overrated team amongst the NFL’s top teams. Yeah wins count but it just feels like this team is wearing down from injuries, plug and pray veterans and having played deep into the postseason last several years.
Steelers are a wild card for sure. They check the boxes in many ways but can the defense keep making plays? Russ is probably the biggest steal in free agency and offers incredible veteran upside. Dude is gaming at the right time.
Not sure what to think about the Ravens. For all the talent and hype they sure find ways to lose games. Penalties are killing them almost as bad as the absolute demise of Tucker. Additionally, when this team falls behind Henry becomes extremely limited. He was brought in as the last missing piece and arguably the mitigation strategy on offense to keep Lamar from turning into an average QB vs the better teams. Yesterday’s loss to the Eagles will be a blueprint for how to beat the Ravens. They sure have to do something about Tucker. Tough spot.
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Gjallarhorn
Footballguy
Still the Lions, just not as "easily" as weeks past. Chiefs are still my super bowl favorites. Green Bay is moving up the ranks as they are playing very well. Everyone knows my Vikings are going to implode eventually.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
We’ve watched 14 games since the Lions had a bad half, so logically it’s definitely not Detroit.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I'd like to enter this as Exhibit "A" Your Honor, notice the bolded area we've highlighted
-I think the only way to settle this is to let these Lions and Eagles fight it out in the NFCC
And that's assuming neither stumbles since one of them is going to have to open at home in the Wildcard
Terpman22
Footballguy
I honestly think if the Lions do not get the 1 seed they aren't going to make it to the title game. I am not saying the Eagles are guaranteed to get there either as well. I just feel if the Eagle somehow passed the Lions by end of season, that means that they have lost at least 2 of their last 5 games. I could see that alone being a factor in them starting to doubt themselves, and then losing on the road either in the Wild Card or Divisional round.
In the end, one of these 3 teams will get to the Super Bowl, in my eyes: Lions, Eagles and Packers. Packers could go on a run and kind of have that other side of the coin and get hot and knock some people off, but I don't see them somehow vaulting both Detroit and Philadelphia.
Something like
If Detroit host the NFCCG and do not face the Eagles, they are going to the Super Bowl
If Philadelphia hosts the NFCCG - I firmly believe they are going to the Super Bowl regardless of which team we'd host
If Detroit hosts Philadelphia - HUGE GAME and would be nail biter. Not my 1st choice obviously but I'll always take an NFCCG appearance
I could see Green Bay going to Detroit or Philadelphia and upsetting either team also.
Detroit has such a brutal finish to the schedule its hard for me to see them NOT losing 2 games, but if they finish 16-1/15-2 somehow, they sure as hell would have earned the 1.
Eagles also play the Giants week 18, so it would be cool to ya know, clinch the 1 seed, and have Saquon also set the single season rushing record against his former team to close out the season.
Dont they play GB on Thursday?
I voted Lions. In my eyes there is a clear top-3. Lions, Eagles...and Ravens.
I think the Ravens best beats anyone else's best, but they have found some wild ways to lose. Best Kicker in NFL history suddenly is among the worst, receiver going out of bounds on a TD (KC game), just close misses on some Lamar deep balls. Tucker has arguably been responsible for 4 of the 5 losses, including maybe yesterday. That said, how can they move on, he's the GOAT Kicker. He's not like 40+ years old, its almost certainly just a rough patch, but its been REALLY costly.
I think the AFC is wide open. I'd honestly be a little surprised if it ended up coming down to KC/Buffalo. Both those teams are pretty flawed. I think the Steelers and Chargers aren't that far behind them, and maybe the Texans/Broncos too, if they can get their pass game going coming out of the much needed bye.
I think the NFC is a 2 team race, and everyone else is just kinda there. Vikings are probably the 3rd best team, but Darnold melting down in a big road game feels inevitable, even though he's been mosty solid this year.
I think the Ravens best beats anyone else's best, but they have found some wild ways to lose. Best Kicker in NFL history suddenly is among the worst, receiver going out of bounds on a TD (KC game), just close misses on some Lamar deep balls. Tucker has arguably been responsible for 4 of the 5 losses, including maybe yesterday. That said, how can they move on, he's the GOAT Kicker. He's not like 40+ years old, its almost certainly just a rough patch, but its been REALLY costly.
I think the AFC is wide open. I'd honestly be a little surprised if it ended up coming down to KC/Buffalo. Both those teams are pretty flawed. I think the Steelers and Chargers aren't that far behind them, and maybe the Texans/Broncos too, if they can get their pass game going coming out of the much needed bye.
I think the NFC is a 2 team race, and everyone else is just kinda there. Vikings are probably the 3rd best team, but Darnold melting down in a big road game feels inevitable, even though he's been mosty solid this year.
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massraider
Footballguy
If someone wants to say that this is the most overrated coaching staff in the league, I am here for it.
massraider
Footballguy
Detroit loses a few games, and people will be ranking Dan Campbell somewhere really low-- maybe even Sirianni low.
Isn't that how it should be?
The thread is "Best team in The NFL After Week 13"
unckeyherb
Footballguy
lol, no one is THAT lowDetroit loses a few games, and people will be ranking Dan Campbell somewhere really low-- maybe even Sirianni low.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
That's the point. Best team right now, not the best team at the end of the year or best team earlier in the year. You match them up round robin on a neutral field next Sunday, who comes out on top.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Homer hijack:
If somehow the Steelers knock off the Eagles in 2 weeks, I think it will be time to start putting them in the top or second tier. Now this is definitely wishful thinking (I said myself in the Eagles thread that they might lose 50-13).
But….. they are actually relatively healthy for the first time in forever ( knocking on wood) and about to get a key member of the defense (which is already deep) back.
We will learn a lot about the makeup of that team in 2 weeks.
/End Homer hijack
If somehow the Steelers knock off the Eagles in 2 weeks, I think it will be time to start putting them in the top or second tier. Now this is definitely wishful thinking (I said myself in the Eagles thread that they might lose 50-13).
But….. they are actually relatively healthy for the first time in forever ( knocking on wood) and about to get a key member of the defense (which is already deep) back.
We will learn a lot about the makeup of that team in 2 weeks.
/End Homer hijack
I know they hung on to win, but wouldn't being outscored at home by Chicago 20-7 in the 2nd half qualify as a bad half?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
LMK if I was unclear about the bolded.
When I say the Lions had a bad half, what I was trying to convey was the Lions had a bad half.
Yes, getting outscored at home 20-7 qualifies as a bad half.
Since that happened, the National Football League has had 14 games.
HTH
kylechoffman
Footballguy
Birds fan and picked them because everything is clicking right now. Steelers and Commanders are the only remaining games where they may come up short but I could easily see them running the table. I predicted 4 losses at the beginning of the season so I hope I am wrong.
Bills in the AFC. Playing solid and KC is WAY overdue for a few losses that the refs dont save them from. Bills vs Lions is arguably the most important game remaining this season.
Bills in the AFC. Playing solid and KC is WAY overdue for a few losses that the refs dont save them from. Bills vs Lions is arguably the most important game remaining this season.
Meaning through the entirety of the season. People are really giving a lot of weight to the 2nd half of the Bears game.
wlwiles
Footballguy
Voted Detroit, one tight Thanksgiving game against a division foe doesn't change my opinion of what I've seen for a month. Detroit just has so many weapons.
Could I see Philly beating them? Sure...they're playing well and Barkley is other-wordly right now. Would seriously surprise me if anyone else from the NFC made it to the SB besides those two.
Could I see Philly beating them? Sure...they're playing well and Barkley is other-wordly right now. Would seriously surprise me if anyone else from the NFC made it to the SB besides those two.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Can’t remember where I posted this yesterday, maybe it was a game thread:
Lions, Packers and Vikings record when they’re not playing the Lions, Packers and Vikings:
The “bad” team in the NFC North is 4-8 now after starting 4-2. In 4 of those 6 straight losses, it came down to the final play of the game.
That’s not a newly formed opinion for me. I’ve felt that way since 2022 when they blew a 14 point lead at home in the 4th quarter; it was confirmed last year when they blew a 12 point lead in the last 4 minutes.
Bears have enough talent to be a playoff team this year, but thanks to incompetent leadership, 2024 is just another wasted year for them.
Lions, Packers and Vikings record when they’re not playing the Lions, Packers and Vikings:
- Detroit 9-1
- Minnesota 9-1
- Green Bay 9-1
The “bad” team in the NFC North is 4-8 now after starting 4-2. In 4 of those 6 straight losses, it came down to the final play of the game.
- Week 8 Hail Mary at WAS
- Week 11 Blocked FGA v GB
- Week 12 Walk off FG v MIN (who also blocked a FGA earlier)
- Week 13 whatever you call that disaster on Thanksgiving when they ran one play in the last 32 seconds with a timeout in their pocket
That’s not a newly formed opinion for me. I’ve felt that way since 2022 when they blew a 14 point lead at home in the 4th quarter; it was confirmed last year when they blew a 12 point lead in the last 4 minutes.
Bears have enough talent to be a playoff team this year, but thanks to incompetent leadership, 2024 is just another wasted year for them.
Gotcha. I read it as the Lions haven't played a bad half in their last 14 games.
LMK if I was unclear about the bolded.
When I say the Lions had a bad half, what I was trying to convey was the Lions had a bad half.
Yes, getting outscored at home 20-7 qualifies as a bad half.
Since that happened, the National Football League has had 14 games.
HTH
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Gotcha. I read it as the Lions haven't played a bad half in their last 14 games.
LMK if I was unclear about the bolded.
When I say the Lions had a bad half, what I was trying to convey was the Lions had a bad half.
Yes, getting outscored at home 20-7 qualifies as a bad half.
Since that happened, the National Football League has had 14 games.
HTH
Naw man, we got stuff to clean up every week. Even in the 3 games we won by 38 or more.
They don't let stuff slide and say "aw close enough." They're in this relentless pursuit of having a perfectly clean game. It never actually happens, but that's the standard.
Guys come from other teams and are like "whoa.....these guys do not practice like any team I've ever been on." Heard that a few times the last few years.
This is likely the last year the staff stays intact, last four years have been awesome to watch, same core group of coordinators and key assistants all the way through. Just trying to enjoy each week because in the NFL that kind of thing can end in a heartbeat, and you rarely see it coming.
I think more people are giving weight to the way the Eagles have played recently. Their glaring weakness,the defense,has improved a lot in the last month
Superb Owls
1 Eagles (2)
2 Lions (1)
3 Bills (3)
Playoffs
4 Chiefs (4)
5 Vikings (6)
6 Packers (7)
7 Steelers (8)
8 Ravens (5)
9 Broncos (9) *win tonight assumed
Pretty good teams sometimes
10 Bucs (10)
11 Chargers (11)
12 Commanders (12)
13 Texans (NR)
14 Seahawks (15)
15 Colts (NR)
16 Rams (NR)
1 Eagles (2)
2 Lions (1)
3 Bills (3)
Playoffs
4 Chiefs (4)
5 Vikings (6)
6 Packers (7)
7 Steelers (8)
8 Ravens (5)
9 Broncos (9) *win tonight assumed
Pretty good teams sometimes
10 Bucs (10)
11 Chargers (11)
12 Commanders (12)
13 Texans (NR)
14 Seahawks (15)
15 Colts (NR)
16 Rams (NR)
FairWarning
Footballguy
I prefer momentum.
It's not Buffalo. They are waiting to be exposed.
What is their best win? @ Seattle?
The Chiefs are overrated and the 49ers are a shell of themselves.
Outside of that they have wins against: Arizona, Miami, Jacksonville, Jets, Titans, Miami, Indy
It's still the Lions for me, but less so than it was last week. Defensive injuries are adding up.
To me it's:
Detroit
Philly
a pretty good distance before:
Buffalo
Pittsburg
Green Bay
Baltimore
KC
What is their best win? @ Seattle?
The Chiefs are overrated and the 49ers are a shell of themselves.
Outside of that they have wins against: Arizona, Miami, Jacksonville, Jets, Titans, Miami, Indy
It's still the Lions for me, but less so than it was last week. Defensive injuries are adding up.
To me it's:
Detroit
Philly
a pretty good distance before:
Buffalo
Pittsburg
Green Bay
Baltimore
KC
Insein
Footballguy
Still the Lions but this is the start of their mini gauntlet.
Vs Packers
Vs Bills
@ Bears
@ Niners
Vs Vikings
Luckily for them hey get the tough games a home but Bears played them tough and Niners might have some fight left in them if the division is still available. So we'll see how they do.
Vs Packers
Vs Bills
@ Bears
@ Niners
Vs Vikings
Luckily for them hey get the tough games a home but Bears played them tough and Niners might have some fight left in them if the division is still available. So we'll see how they do.
zoonation
Footballguy
“Since” that happened the NFL has had zero games (and it should be weeks, not games). The word you are looking for is “before”.
LMK if I was unclear about the bolded.
When I say the Lions had a bad half, what I was trying to convey was the Lions had a bad half.
Yes, getting outscored at home 20-7 qualifies as a bad half.
Since that happened, the National Football League has had 14 games.
HTH
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
“Since” that happened the NFL has had zero games (and it should be weeks, not games). The word you are looking for is “before”.
LMK if I was unclear about the bolded.
When I say the Lions had a bad half, what I was trying to convey was the Lions had a bad half.
Yes, getting outscored at home 20-7 qualifies as a bad half.
Since that happened, the National Football League has had 14 games.
HTH
Since the first game on Thanksgiving (when the Lions had a bad 2nd half after dominating the 1st half), until Monday a.m., there were 14 football games played in the National Football League.
I’m not following where you think I should stick “before”. However, if you’re interested, I can [tell] you where you could stick it.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
zoo you should know I’m just kidding around - but just in case, please don’t go off
I honestly am a little confused by what you meant but I’m also getting old & it doesn’t take much to leave me bewildered.
I honestly am a little confused by what you meant but I’m also getting old & it doesn’t take much to leave me bewildered.
zoonation
Footballguy
My apologies. Misread what you were saying.“Since” that happened the NFL has had zero games (and it should be weeks, not games). The word you are looking for is “before”.
LMK if I was unclear about the bolded.
When I say the Lions had a bad half, what I was trying to convey was the Lions had a bad half.
Yes, getting outscored at home 20-7 qualifies as a bad half.
Since that happened, the National Football League has had 14 games.
HTH
Since the first game on Thanksgiving (when the Lions had a bad 2nd half after dominating the 1st half), until Monday a.m., there were 14 football games played in the National Football League.
I’m not following where you think I should stick “before”. However, if you’re interested, I can [tell] you where you could stick it.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I took “Best team in the NFL after week 13” to mean what we think happens the rest of the year, week 14-SB.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I must have worded it awkwardly - you’re not the first lol. My apologies.
All good, brother man.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Not sure what the definition of "best" actually means. Is it who is playing the best ahead of Week 14? Who has the best record at this point? Who has the best chance to win the #1 overall seed(s)? Who will win the SB?
If it's the later, despite being back-to-back SB champions, I think people are somewhat sleeping on KC. They didn't look great at this point last year either and then turned it on in the post season. Do people forget that Mahomes is 15-3 in the post season (with 2 losses to Brady)? The Chiefs went 3-5 down the stretch (with PM playing) to end the season last year.
If it's the later, despite being back-to-back SB champions, I think people are somewhat sleeping on KC. They didn't look great at this point last year either and then turned it on in the post season. Do people forget that Mahomes is 15-3 in the post season (with 2 losses to Brady)? The Chiefs went 3-5 down the stretch (with PM playing) to end the season last year.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Who has the most talent? Philly. Who's playing the best? Philly.
KC and Buffalo have enough talent to where their QBs could carry them to a title, especially KC (duh).
Detroit/Pittsburgh/Minnesota (in that order) probly need some breaks to win it.
I believe Baltimore should've been in the poll. Ravens are hard to beat when they put it together. They have a top QB, which is key, and LJ is due. I'd put them in the tier with Lions/Steelers/Vikings.
Green Bay has a chance...
KC and Buffalo have enough talent to where their QBs could carry them to a title, especially KC (duh).
Detroit/Pittsburgh/Minnesota (in that order) probly need some breaks to win it.
I believe Baltimore should've been in the poll. Ravens are hard to beat when they put it together. They have a top QB, which is key, and LJ is due. I'd put them in the tier with Lions/Steelers/Vikings.
Green Bay has a chance...
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Deamon
Footballguy
I can't imagine anyone doesn't have them at least in the 2nd tier.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
You’re right. If they beat the Eagles in Philly, they move to tier 1.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Big fan of That Franchise Guy YT channel. Started following him a few years ago for offseason draftnik content, but this year have started to regularly check out what he's putting out in-season.
(trigger waringing - he's a cheesehead)
his Week 14 power rankings:
At least we're not the Giants (31-23) Jax, LV, Ten, NYJ, NE, Dal, NO, Car, Cke
Why are you the way you are & the Colts (21-16) SF, Mia, Chi, Ind, Atl, TB, CIN
Playoff Caliber (15-9) - LAR, Ari, LAC, Den, Sea, Was, Hou
Super Bowl with a lot of luck -
(trigger waringing - he's a cheesehead)
his Week 14 power rankings:
At least we're not the Giants (31-23) Jax, LV, Ten, NYJ, NE, Dal, NO, Car, Cke
Why are you the way you are & the Colts (21-16) SF, Mia, Chi, Ind, Atl, TB, CIN
Playoff Caliber (15-9) - LAR, Ari, LAC, Den, Sea, Was, Hou
Super Bowl with a lot of luck -
8. Steelers
7. Packers
6. Vikings
5. Chiefs
4. Ravens
Super Bowl or Bust -
3. Bills
2. Eagles
1. Lions
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
NFC: Detroit (maybe Philadelphia)
AFC: KC (maybe Pittsburgh)
Buffalo fans, don't do this to yourselves. Lucy is holding the ball. Don't try to kick it, Charlie Brown...
AFC: KC (maybe Pittsburgh)
Buffalo fans, don't do this to yourselves. Lucy is holding the ball. Don't try to kick it, Charlie Brown...
