Better QB, Brady or Peyton (1 Viewer)

[rockbottom895]

Over the past few years, this debate has never really been settled in Football Guys. Who is the better QB? Is it Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Their career stats clearly favor Peyton, but Brady always gets it done. In my opinion, come playoff time, there is no one other than Brady that I want on my team. The three wins that Brady has distinguishes him over Peyton. I hate to repeat this, but until Peyton gets that ring, he will never be looked at like Brady. What are your opinions?

 

[Longshot88]

Over the past few years, this debate has never really been settled in Football Guys. Who is the better QB? Is it Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Their career stats clearly favor Peyton, but Brady always gets it done. In my opinion, come playoff time, there is no one other than Brady that I want on my team. The three wins that Brady has distinguishes him over Peyton. I hate to repeat this, but until Peyton gets that ring, he will never be looked at like Brady. What are your opinions?

if you watched the cincy game ..its very clear there is no one even close to Manning....if the NFL were redrafted today 99% of the owners/coaches would take Manning #1 overall if they had the chance

 

[PsychoMan]

I agree with Longshot88. Brady is great, but I've never seen anything like what Peyton does. Nothing even close.

I also don't buy into that "He can't win the big game" BS. It takes a team to win the big game; not just the QB. Peyton has pulled the Colts out of so many games, but I've rarely ever seen his defense win him a game. Can't say the same for Brady.

 

[pizzatyme]

This is the Honda of all Hondas!

 

[pizzatyme]

Next subject, please?

 

[cobalt_27]

Next subject, please?

It's like crack or cigarettes. Tough habit to break.

 

[Ghost Rider]

if you watched the cincy game ..its very clear there is no one even close to Manning...

Oh, so we are basing who is better off of a small sample such as one game? Got it.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I dunno about in previous years, but Peyton '06 >>> Brady '06.

(Ok, I know about previous years too, but we've been there and done that.)

 

[Assani Fisher]

Take a look at Brady's supporting cast in 2001 when they won the SB. Then consider the great supporting cast Manning has around him on offense. Brady is the better QB imo.

 

[Green and Gold]

All I know is there are 30 teams that would be ecstatic to have either of them.

 

[Longshot88]

Take a look at Brady's supporting cast in 2001 when they won the SB. Then consider the great supporting cast Manning has around him on offense. Brady is the better QB imo.

To say manning is not as good becase he has better wrs is just crazy....Brady can't even make a decent comercial....if Brady is so good why is he not even in the top 10 Qbs this year????? the Brady Lovers will never admit that Manning is clearly the better Qb ....but they all know it deep down

 

[PatsWillWin]

manning is better at commcercials.

brady is better at winning.

 

[Zigg]

Take a look at Brady's supporting cast in 2001 when they won the SB. Then consider the great supporting cast Manning has around him on offense. Brady is the better QB imo.

How does Edge look this year?

 

[dagogrease]

Over the past few years, this debate has never really been settled in Football Guys. Who is the better QB? Is it Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Their career stats clearly favor Peyton, but Brady always gets it done. In my opinion, come playoff time, there is no one other than Brady that I want on my team. The three wins that Brady has distinguishes him over Peyton. I hate to repeat this, but until Peyton gets that ring, he will never be looked at like Brady. What are your opinions?

Said it before and I will say it again...Brady wins when it matters most. I'll take a QB who will get me 3 Super Bowl rings over a guy that only wins in the regular season.How Brady has made it to a 10-4 season with the likes of Reche Caldwell, Doug Gabriel, Chad Jackson, etc is amazing to me. We haven't had the opportunity to see what Manning could do without Harrison and Wayne.

 

[qimqam]

I was watching the Indy Cincy game monday night hoping for a big flop from Manning. That did not happen ... but while getting my fantasy ### kicked I was amazed at how quick , sharp and accurate his passes are. If he is given just 2 seconds to throw he is nearly unstoppable.

Brady on the other hand has showed some serious flaws the last couple of weeks ... His throws do not compare to Manning. Yes he is a winner but so is Belicheck.

If you put them in opposite situations (Swap Teams) I am sure Manning would still be a great QB ...I am not so sure Brady would have the same success...He simply could not make the throws that I saw Peyton make on Monday night.

 

[MagicMan]

I agree with Longshot88. Brady is great, but I've never seen anything like what Peyton does. Nothing even close.I also don't buy into that "He can't win the big game" BS. It takes a team to win the big game; not just the QB. Peyton has pulled the Colts out of so many games, but I've rarely ever seen his defense win him a game. Can't say the same for Brady.

 

[H.K.]

1) Super Bowl Rings

Advantage: Brady

2) Dating Hot Chicks

Advantage: Brady

3) There is no three, Brady wins in a landslide already.

 

[Daisuke Matsuzaka]

Anyone have an opinion that isn't 80% based on the Cincy game?

TIA.

 

[dagogrease]

Anyone have an opinion that isn't 80% based on the Cincy game? TIA.

You have to admit, Manning did look awesome at home, in a dome against the 32nd ranked pass defense in the league...

 

[Colin Dowling]

Your team is in great hands with either, but I'd take Manning.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

Take a look at Brady's supporting cast in 2001 when they won the SB. Then consider the great supporting cast Manning has around him on offense. Brady is the better QB imo.

Yes, but didn't Brady get knocked out in the first round of the playoffs that year before he got his do-over.

 

[pizzatyme]

Take a look at Brady's supporting cast in 2001 when they won the SB. Then consider the great supporting cast Manning has around him on offense. Brady is the better QB imo.

There is the flaw! Brady has had a better TEAM supporting him throughout the SB run. How has Brady done this season with a lesser supporting team?

 

[dagogrease]

I agree with Longshot88. Brady is great, but I've never seen anything like what Peyton does. Nothing even close.I also don't buy into that "He can't win the big game" BS. It takes a team to win the big game; not just the QB. Peyton has pulled the Colts out of so many games, but I've rarely ever seen his defense win him a game. Can't say the same for Brady.

Have to disagree here...Brady masterfully led a last minute drive and overcame the "Greatest Show on Turf".Brady overcame a 15-1 Steeler team, with the #1 defense in the league and dismantled them at Heinz field.After an 0-2 start and thouhgts of Belicheck being fired in 2001, Brady overcame all odds and won a Super Bowl. Without him, Belichick is not a genius.So, what exactly has Manning overcome other than putting up a ton of points in regular season games with at least 8 of them played indoors?

 

[GreekFreak]

I agree with Longshot88. Brady is great, but I've never seen anything like what Peyton does. Nothing even close.

Choke in every single big game he has been in?I hope the Pats and Indy play eachother in the AFC championship game in Indy this year.Pats will roll them in the dome and stick the final nail in Peytons non-championship winning coffin.

 

[dagogrease]

Take a look at Brady's supporting cast in 2001 when they won the SB. Then consider the great supporting cast Manning has around him on offense. Brady is the better QB imo.

There is the flaw! Brady has had a better TEAM supporting him throughout the SB run. How has Brady done this season with a lesser supporting team?

Take away Harrison, Wayne and Dallas Clark and show me how Manning would fare. It is a little harder to throw the football when your receivers get no seperation from the defense.

 

[Road Warriors]

Take a look at Brady's supporting cast in 2001 when they won the SB. Then consider the great supporting cast Manning has around him on offense. Brady is the better QB imo.

There is the flaw! Brady has had a better TEAM supporting him throughout the SB run. How has Brady done this season with a lesser supporting team?

Umm.. 10-4, 1 game back of the Colts. Your point is?

 

[higgins]

A vote for Peyton here that doesn’t have anything to do with the Cincy game.

To me it’s worth discussing how teams are built – the old adage that “it starts in the trenches” rings true for me. Teams like NE, PITT, BAL, CAR, PHIL have historically had great success because (1) they build from the lines out, and (2) are smart $-wise. Dilfer won a SB; is he better than Peyton?

While some of the Brady backers talk about how he’s done so much with so little, I take the opposite view: Brady’s had good lines that have little weakness (as compared to Peyton’s good line..unless it’s against a 3-4 defense like SD, BAL, PITT, NE), and has simply been asked to “manage” games (not put the whole team on his back on “win” games).

Now is Brady a great QB, who has managed win after win, while occasionally winning games near single-handedly? Yes.

If I were building a team from scratch, would I choose to build from the trenches and draft a 6th round Brady over a 1st round Peyton? Yes.

But, all other considerations being equal, if I have to choose between Brady and Manning, I choose Peyton without a second thought…..without hesitation…it’s not even debatable imho.

 

[Daisuke Matsuzaka]

While some of the Brady backers talk about how he’s done so much with so little, I take the opposite view: Brady’s had good lines that have little weakness (as compared to Peyton’s good line..unless it’s against a 3-4 defense like SD, BAL, PITT, NE), and has simply been asked to “manage” games (not put the whole team on his back on “win” games).

Now is Brady a great QB, who has managed win after win, while occasionally winning games near single-handedly? Yes.

Experts said this about Brady...in 2001.Seriously, try watching some games.

 

[pizzatyme]

Take a look at Brady's supporting cast in 2001 when they won the SB. Then consider the great supporting cast Manning has around him on offense. Brady is the better QB imo.

There is the flaw! Brady has had a better TEAM supporting him throughout the SB run. How has Brady done this season with a lesser supporting team?

Umm.. 10-4, 1 game back of the Colts. Your point is?

You're kidding, right? Look at the schedule each team has played and get back to me!

 

[Daisuke Matsuzaka]

Take a look at Brady's supporting cast in 2001 when they won the SB. Then consider the great supporting cast Manning has around him on offense. Brady is the better QB imo.

There is the flaw! Brady has had a better TEAM supporting him throughout the SB run. How has Brady done this season with a lesser supporting team?

Umm.. 10-4, 1 game back of the Colts. Your point is?

You're kidding, right? Look at the schedule each team has played and get back to me!

Colts - SOS is .484. 21st in the NFLPatriots - SOS is .473. 26th in the NFL.

Biiiig difference.

You know you've ran out of things to say when you start " " at regular season records because of SOS.

 

[pizzatyme]

Take a look at Brady's supporting cast in 2001 when they won the SB. Then consider the great supporting cast Manning has around him on offense. Brady is the better QB imo.

There is the flaw! Brady has had a better TEAM supporting him throughout the SB run. How has Brady done this season with a lesser supporting team?

Umm.. 10-4, 1 game back of the Colts. Your point is?

You're kidding, right? Look at the schedule each team has played and get back to me!

Colts - SOS is .484. 21st in the NFLPatriots - SOS is .473. 26th in the NFL.

Biiiig difference.

You know you've ran out of things to say when you start " " at regular season records because of SOS.

Okay, how about this one. How did Brady fare against Peyton this year? Let me know when you have some stats for that!

 

[Ghost Rider]

Take a look at Brady's supporting cast in 2001 when they won the SB. Then consider the great supporting cast Manning has around him on offense. Brady is the better QB imo.

There is the flaw! Brady has had a better TEAM supporting him throughout the SB run. How has Brady done this season with a lesser supporting team?

Umm.. 10-4, 1 game back of the Colts. Your point is?

You're kidding, right? Look at the schedule each team has played and get back to me!

Colts - SOS is .484. 21st in the NFLPatriots - SOS is .473. 26th in the NFL.

Biiiig difference.

You know you've ran out of things to say when you start " " at regular season records because of SOS.

Okay, how about this one. How did Brady fare against Peyton this year? Let me know when you have some stats for that!

How did Manning fair against Tony Romo? Oh, I guess that means Romo is better, right?

 

[pizzatyme]

Take a look at Brady's supporting cast in 2001 when they won the SB. Then consider the great supporting cast Manning has around him on offense. Brady is the better QB imo.

There is the flaw! Brady has had a better TEAM supporting him throughout the SB run. How has Brady done this season with a lesser supporting team?

Umm.. 10-4, 1 game back of the Colts. Your point is?

You're kidding, right? Look at the schedule each team has played and get back to me!

Colts - SOS is .484. 21st in the NFLPatriots - SOS is .473. 26th in the NFL.

Biiiig difference.

You know you've ran out of things to say when you start " " at regular season records because of SOS.

Okay, how about this one. How did Brady fare against Peyton this year? Let me know when you have some stats for that!

How did Manning fair against Tony Romo? Oh, I guess that means Romo is better, right?

What the hell does Romo have to do with this conversation? Move along.

 

[dagogrease]

A vote for Peyton here that doesn’t have anything to do with the Cincy game.

To me it’s worth discussing how teams are built – the old adage that “it starts in the trenches” rings true for me. Teams like NE, PITT, BAL, CAR, PHIL have historically had great success because (1) they build from the lines out, and (2) are smart $-wise. Dilfer won a SB; is he better than Peyton?

While some of the Brady backers talk about how he’s done so much with so little, I take the opposite view: Brady’s had good lines that have little weakness (as compared to Peyton’s good line..unless it’s against a 3-4 defense like SD, BAL, PITT, NE), and has simply been asked to “manage” games (not put the whole team on his back on “win” games).

Now is Brady a great QB, who has managed win after win, while occasionally winning games near single-handedly? Yes.

If I were building a team from scratch, would I choose to build from the trenches and draft a 6th round Brady over a 1st round Peyton? Yes.

But, all other considerations being equal, if I have to choose between Brady and Manning, I choose Peyton without a second thought…..without hesitation…it’s not even debatable imho.

Have to disagree here as Peyton's line statistically has been superior from a pass protection standpoint. It seems to me that Peyton cannot has trouble with a 3-4 defense and zone blitzing. Brady has played those same teams you mention and has been able to overcome them.Honestly, Brady had Antowain Smith for most of his playoff years not Edgerrin James and that team has won games because of Brady numerous times. Bottom line is Manning has not shown up in playoff games. His record and stats are not good and in my opinion if you put Manning on New Englands team right now...he struggles. IMHO, if I had to start a team, I would choose Brady without a second thought.

 

[Daisuke Matsuzaka]

Take a look at Brady's supporting cast in 2001 when they won the SB. Then consider the great supporting cast Manning has around him on offense. Brady is the better QB imo.

There is the flaw! Brady has had a better TEAM supporting him throughout the SB run. How has Brady done this season with a lesser supporting team?

Umm.. 10-4, 1 game back of the Colts. Your point is?

You're kidding, right? Look at the schedule each team has played and get back to me!

Colts - SOS is .484. 21st in the NFLPatriots - SOS is .473. 26th in the NFL.

Biiiig difference.

You know you've ran out of things to say when you start " " at regular season records because of SOS.

Okay, how about this one. How did Brady fare against Peyton this year? Let me know when you have some stats for that!

How did Manning fair against Tony Romo? Oh, I guess that means Romo is better, right?

What the hell does Romo have to do with this conversation? Move along.

Cowboys beat the Colts. So, going by your ###-backwards logic, Romo > Manning.Don't forget Vince Young and David Garrard. Both better than Manning.

Try something else pizzatime. You pulled SOS out or your ### without even looking at those weird things called "facts" and now you're making up some kind of H2H argument that makes absolutely no sense.

What do you got next?

 

[Ghost Rider]

What the hell does Romo have to do with this conversation? Move along.

Since you cannot make the connection, I will help you. You implied that Manning is better than Brady because he outplayed him in their matchup this season. I jokingly implied that Tony Romo is better than Manning because he outplayed him in their matchup this season. I was demonstrating how absurd it is to say that QB A is better than QB B because of one game. Understand now?

 

[pizzatyme]

Colts played-

@ Dallas

@ Denver

@ NE

@ NYG

@ NYJ

@ Jax

Strength of schedule doesn't tell the whole picture.

 

[JohnnyU]

If the Patriots had the first pick in the draft, I bet Bill Belichick would take Manning over Brady, even with what he knows now.

 

[Daisuke Matsuzaka]

Colts played-@ Dallas@ Denver@ NE@ NYG@ NYJ@ JaxStrength of schedule doesn't tell the whole picture.

Uhhh actually strength of schedule DOES tell the whole picture. You hand-picking the tough games and ignoring the easy ones is what doesn't tell the whole picture.

 

[psychobillies]

Do all of the voters who take Brady due to the fact that he has won more Superbowls also think Terry Bradshaw is the greatest QB of all time. If not, please explain the difference.

 

[Daisuke Matsuzaka]

If the Patriots had the first pick in the draft, I bet Bill Belichick would take Manning over Brady, even with what he knows now.

Anything at all to back this up or should I just say "I'll take that bet"?

 

[dagogrease]

Take a look at Brady's supporting cast in 2001 when they won the SB. Then consider the great supporting cast Manning has around him on offense. Brady is the better QB imo.

There is the flaw! Brady has had a better TEAM supporting him throughout the SB run. How has Brady done this season with a lesser supporting team?

Umm.. 10-4, 1 game back of the Colts. Your point is?

You're kidding, right? Look at the schedule each team has played and get back to me!

Colts - SOS is .484. 21st in the NFLPatriots - SOS is .473. 26th in the NFL.

Biiiig difference.

You know you've ran out of things to say when you start " " at regular season records because of SOS.

Okay, how about this one. How did Brady fare against Peyton this year? Let me know when you have some stats for that!

How did Manning fair against Tony Romo? Oh, I guess that means Romo is better, right?

...or David Gerrard.

 

[Daisuke Matsuzaka]

Do all of the voters who take Brady due to the fact that he has won more Superbowls also think Terry Bradshaw is the greatest QB of all time. If not, please explain the difference.

Yes, and we also think Trent Dilfer is better than Manning. If you don't see the difference, well, I'm sorry for you.

 

[pizzatyme]

What the hell does Romo have to do with this conversation? Move along.

Since you cannot make the connection, I will help you. You implied that Manning is better than Brady because he outplayed him in their matchup this season. I jokingly implied that Tony Romo is better than Manning because he outplayed him in their matchup this season. I was demonstrating how absurd it is to say that QB A is better than QB B because of one game. Understand now?

Isn't comparing Manning to Brady just comparing a series of H2H matchups? My point is that when Brady has had a better supporting cast, he has excelled. This season his supporting cast is inferior to previous seasons. One player doesn't win the Superbowl, so to compare QBs is somewhat absurb.Brady is a great QB, and like I said in my original post, this is .

 

[pizzatyme]

Colts played-@ Dallas@ Denver@ NE@ NYG@ NYJ@ JaxStrength of schedule doesn't tell the whole picture.

Uhhh actually strength of schedule DOES tell the whole picture. You hand-picking the tough games and ignoring the easy ones is what doesn't tell the whole picture.

Strength of schedule doesn't take into account where you played your opponents. Theoretically, you could play your toughest opponents at home and your easiest opponents on the road. You would have the same strength of schedule rating as if the exact opposite occurred, theoretically. So, IMHO SOS doesn't tell the whole picture!

 

[Jedi Knight]

Isn't this like "Who's better- Marino or Montana?" I see the same outcome. Each QB has his unwavering supportive fans, both will make the Hall of Fame, both will make millions and be appreciated for the talent they possess. They both win.

 

[JohnnyU]

Do all of the voters who take Brady due to the fact that he has won more Superbowls also think Terry Bradshaw is the greatest QB of all time. If not, please explain the difference.

Yes, and we also think Trent Dilfer is better than Manning. If you don't see the difference, well, I'm sorry for you.

Homer Bailey > Matsuzaka.

 

[dagogrease]

Do all of the voters who take Brady due to the fact that he has won more Superbowls also think Terry Bradshaw is the greatest QB of all time. If not, please explain the difference.

No...but let me say this.Brady does not lose that game, at home, versus the Steelers last year in the playoffs. History backs me up on that. Sorry, you can't excuse that one away for Manning.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Do all of the voters who take Brady due to the fact that he has won more Superbowls also think Terry Bradshaw is the greatest QB of all time. If not, please explain the difference.

Bradshaw had an array of Hall of Famers at the skill positions and a defense so great, they had their own nickname! Brady has had one Hall of Fame skill position player (Corey Dillon) and a very good to great defense, but nothing like what Bradshaw had. That is the difference, not to mention that Bradshaw's career TD/INT ratio of +2 is not quite as good as Brady's ratio of +67.

 

[psychobillies]

Do all of the voters who take Brady due to the fact that he has won more Superbowls also think Terry Bradshaw is the greatest QB of all time. If not, please explain the difference.

Yes, and we also think Trent Dilfer is better than Manning. If you don't see the difference, well, I'm sorry for you.

If you don't think Bradshaw is a better comparison than Dilfer I don't know what to tell you. Like I said before, please explain the difference. Try not to use a clever little one liner to ignore the point.If Brady is better simply b/c he is a "winner", or b/c he has won the big one three times, than why would you not agree that Bradshaw is better than both?