When Ernie Adams left, so did the Patriot "magic" on offenseIt's the way they're losing, I think. They have some deep fundamental flaws where they'll never be a contender with the current make-up of the club. That's why there's despair there. They're so far behind the Chiefs and the Bills that they've been lapped.
That's how it seems to me. I think we all accept a significant part of the Patriots dynasty was the weak state of the Division. For sure, they had to deliver in the biggest games, and they obviously did, but they often faced an optimal path.
Now, when they look around, they appear light-years behind. And I don't know how they make it up.
Bedard is saying Mayo has agreed to an extension and they are just working out the details and the language. So far, he’s the only one putting that out there, and everyone else has indicated NE is interested in extending him. Not sure what any of that means and whether Mayo would still interview elsewhere. Also makes me wonder what is going on with Bill’s kid as far as the defense goes.The Mayo part is very interesting...if you want to read into it, I wonder if it means he is heir apparent to BB.
Bedard is saying Mayo has agreed to an extension and they are just working out the details and the language. So far, he’s the only one putting that out there, and everyone else has indicated NE is interested in extending him. Not sure what any of that means and whether Mayo would still interview elsewhere. Also makes me wonder what is going on with Bill’s kid as far as the defense goes.The Mayo part is very interesting...if you want to read into it, I wonder if it means he is heir apparent to BB.
Not sure that's 100% the case. I think it was Curran that explained that he felt the plan for Patricia was to give him as much experience as he could across all things in "football operations" so he could have a more rounded resume to become a head coach again or future GM. The speculation at the time was that maybe Bill was grooming him as the heir apparent, but Curran suggested Patricia running the offense wasn't intended to be a multi-year, long-term thing. That was mid-season, so who knows where Patricia ranks in the hierarchy now. If you remember last off-season, Patricia was involved in negotiating contracts and extensions and had signatory responsibility for player contracts and signings. He definitely had more football administration responsibilities.If there is one positive about the Patricia debacle this year, it removes any chance of him becoming the next HC...that would have been a complete worst-case scenario.
Not sure that's 100% the case. I think it was Curran that explained that he felt the plan for Patricia was to give him as much experience as he could across all things in "football operations" so he could have a more rounded resume to become a head coach again or future GM. The speculation at the time was that maybe Bill was grooming him as the heir apparent, but Curran suggested Patricia running the offense wasn't intended to be a multi-year, long-term thing. That was mid-season, so who knows where Patricia ranks in the hierarchy now. If you remember last off-season, Patricia was involved in negotiating contracts and extensions and had signatory responsibility for player contracts and signings. He definitely had more football administration responsibilities.If there is one positive about the Patricia debacle this year, it removes any chance of him becoming the next HC...that would have been a complete worst-case scenario.
Several of the local guys (Zolak being the most vocal) have suggested Patricia will not be let go. He says they might change his title or publicly state he will be responsible for something else. Whether that means he takes on a different on-field coaching role, gets kicked upstairs as the next Mike Lombardi, or becomes a mysterious consultant / takes on an Ernie Adams cloak and dagger role, who knows? But Zolak is pretty steadfast that Patricia isn't going anywhere. IIRC, moving forward, he is off the Lions' books, so NE will have to give him a new contract (and actually pay him without any subsidized money from Detroit).
That being said, I really hope the Pats plans don't involve a heavy dose of Patricia. Maybe they can find a spot where he can actually be an asset (I have my doubts), but I agree that him as head coach or GM of NE would be a scary sight.
I don't think anyone other than BB or the Krafts has much insight into the future plans for the team . . . and even those might be pretty fluid. I remember a few years ago when McDaniels shunned the Colts and stayed in NE that Curran, Breer, Bedard, and others were all in agreement that no way would Kraft promise the future head coaching job to anyone. All those guys took the approach that the team would evaluate the situation once BB was out the door, but to promise someone the job (besides going against the Rooney rule) was never going to happen. They went so far as to say that they probably wouldn't try grooming a guy either. They would evaluate the state of the team, the talent level, the salary cap, the coaches on the staff, etc. and then figure it out. The McDaniels to the Colts situation was 5 years ago . . . maybe the beat guys have changed their tune and see Mayo as Bill's replacement (maybe that would get them out of the Rooney rule as well). I wish someone would discuss that more thoroughly (maybe they will once we find out what is going on with Mayo).Sorry but it is 100%...no way will he be a HC in NE after what happened this season...no way, that ship has sailed...I do agree that him being in that position going into this year was done to help him potentially get that position but his name is done here after that complete and utter disaster...there would be a mutiny by the fanbase if his name was even brought up to be the HC let alone get it...the fact Kraft is sending out unprecedented press releases during the BB era is all you need to know about what he thinks of 2022...if Patricia is on the field it will be as the line Coach or something like that but my guess (like you point out) is he gets kicked into the front office and goes back to doing whatever he was doing before he destroyed the offense.
I don't think anyone other than BB or the Krafts has much insight into the future plans for the team . . . and even those might be pretty fluid. I remember a few years ago when McDaniels shunned the Colts and stayed in NE that Curran, Breer, Bedard, and others were all in agreement that no way would Kraft promise the future head coaching job to anyone. All those guys took the approach that the team would evaluate the situation once BB was out the door, but to promise someone the job (besides going against the Rooney rule) was never going to happen. They went so far as to say that they probably wouldn't try grooming a guy either. They would evaluate the state of the team, the talent level, the salary cap, the coaches on the staff, etc. and then figure it out. The McDaniels to the Colts situation was 5 years ago . . . maybe the beat guys have changed their tune and see Mayo as Bill's replacement (maybe that would get them out of the Rooney rule as well). I wish someone would discuss that more thoroughly (maybe they will once we find out what is going on with Mayo).Sorry but it is 100%...no way will he be a HC in NE after what happened this season...no way, that ship has sailed...I do agree that him being in that position going into this year was done to help him potentially get that position but his name is done here after that complete and utter disaster...there would be a mutiny by the fanbase if his name was even brought up to be the HC let alone get it...the fact Kraft is sending out unprecedented press releases during the BB era is all you need to know about what he thinks of 2022...if Patricia is on the field it will be as the line Coach or something like that but my guess (like you point out) is he gets kicked into the front office and goes back to doing whatever he was doing before he destroyed the offense.
Whether him or not: what is happening?
Whether him or not: what is happening?
who cares. cringe.Sooooooooo..... that really him in the video?
Looks like every 60 year old man grabbing the newspaper on a Sunday.Whether him or not: what is happening?
That what I thought he was doing.Looks like every 60 year old man grabbing the newspaper on a Sunday.Whether him or not: what is happening?
Why (if Bill) is he in a slum or near-slum?Looks like every 60 year old man grabbing the newspaper on a Sunday.Whether him or not: what is happening?
71Looks like every 60 year old man grabbing the newspaper on a Sunday.Whether him or not: what is happening?
Why (if Bill) is he in a slum or near-slum?Looks like every 60 year old man grabbing the newspaper on a Sunday.Whether him or not: what is happening?
Him and his wife just split up 2 months ago. Maybe he doesn't have as high of standards for women as he does for quarterbacksWhy (if Bill) is he in a slum or near-slum?Looks like every 60 year old man grabbing the newspaper on a Sunday.Whether him or not: what is happening?
Technically, it's called ####posting.Not really cool.
I think they made each other. There is no greatest coach ever Belichick without Brady but Brady doesn't become the GOAT without Bill. What's happening now is just the game passing him by.Tired of his schtick and know-it-all BS. Brady made the guy. Plan and simple. Can't wait to move on from him.
Oh man... Buffalo would hurt my soul, but it would probably be the quickest path to wins with that roster. The Chargers have some talented pieces but still need tweaking.Bills might be open depending on how the rest of the year goes. Also San Diego. Could be good landing spots for him to try to resuscitate his career.
There has been a lot of talk locally about how accurate Curran's reporting is on this topic . . . or if that is his opinion being reported as fact. The discussion has focused on the only two people that know what NE is potentially planning to do: the Kraft's. There's absolutely no way they would flat out tell Curran that BB is getting jettisoned. Curran may have heard from others that think Bill is getting booted, but the Kraft's would not want the information to leak out and set Bill up as a lame duck coach. To be clear, I am not suggesting that Bill ISN'T getting axed. Curran may be deducing or connected the dots, but a lot of other NE beat guys run in the same crowds, and they had no idea where Curran came up with this information.
a lot of other NE beat guys run in the same crowds, and they had no idea where Curran came up with this information.
No . . . just wondering if he is reporting or providing speculation based on connecting some dots. I have heard different opinions on where BB stands and if he will be back.There has been a lot of talk locally about how accurate Curran's reporting is on this topic . . . or if that is his opinion being reported as fact. The discussion has focused on the only two people that know what NE is potentially planning to do: the Kraft's. There's absolutely no way they would flat out tell Curran that BB is getting jettisoned. Curran may have heard from others that think Bill is getting booted, but the Kraft's would not want the information to leak out and set Bill up as a lame duck coach. To be clear, I am not suggesting that Bill ISN'T getting axed. Curran may be deducing or connected the dots, but a lot of other NE beat guys run in the same crowds, and they had no idea where Curran came up with this information.
Are you suggesting Curran has made this up?
To flesh out a little more of what I was referring to yesterday on Curran, Mike Reiss had a radio interview segment and was asked about the Curran news. Reiss is the gold standard of beat reporters in NE and likely has the most access of any member of the media to all things Patriots. When asked about Curran's report, Reiss said no one he has spoken to had revealed what Curran had reported . . . and Reiss said he has access to all the same people that Curran does. He said he had not spoken to Curran about his report, but Reiss said of all the people he's spoken to, there was not a unified front on what the Patriots were planning to do with BB. He had received a variety of feedback, but everyone he talked to had different opinions and positions on the plan moving forward (thus making a determination on what NE would do hard to report on). Reiss openly wondered if Curran was connecting dots and providing his opinion on what NE would do, but even Reiss said it certainly sounded like Curran was reporting things as fact and a final decision had been made. Reiss repeated that he had not heard that from anyone.
Curran yesterday backed off some when asked for additional information about the situation. He mentioned that after the game in Germany, NE had decided they were done with Bill but that didn't mean they couldn't change their minds. He said there was always a chance with a strong finish maybe Bill could still keep his job . . . or they could have a change of heart. To be clear, I personally have no knowledge of what NE will do with Bill, but I happen to think that they are exploring a lot of options and probably haven't made a final determination yet. Mike Lomardi has since mentioned that BB may stay on as head coach and someone else brought in as GM or head of personnel.
I know there has been talk of Jerod Mayo taking over as head coach, but if I am NE, if they are moving on from BB, they should remove all facets of BB, his coaches, and his system from the organization. Put another way, I doubt other people could run Bill's system better than Bill. Installing a defensive minded coach without any head coaching experience on a team with fatal offensive issues doesn't seem like the right strategy. If they are going to start over and do a full rebuild, go out and get an offensive minded coach, drop everyone with ties to BB, and fill the GM and coaching spots with people with no ties to the Patriots organization. Start fresh and start over.
Per my other comments, not a fan of bringing in Vrabel. He's from the BB system as a player, has coached a ground and pound offense, favors the defensive side of the ball, and he'd likely be content to keep the coaches, system, and methodology of what is already in place. Under Vrabel, the Titans have been a Bottom 5-10 passing team every season and as an organization really aren't in any better shape than NE. The Titans have 12 wins over the past 2 seasons compared to 11 for NE. Not sure Vrabel would be able to fix the culture, roster, or system in NE. IMO, all that would change is BB wouldn't be there . . . but would not be hopeful the outcome would be much different.
Jerry Jones can't deal with alpha coaches, which is why he fired Jimmy Johnson. He only brought in Parcells because the Cowboys had been embarrassing for years with no-name coaches. That is not where they are right now, so the chance that Belichick goes to the Cowboys is almost zero.Here's a fun game....name the teams that would never hire BB.
I'll go first: Jets, Dolphins, Browns, Philly
No need: Chiefs, Bengals, Philly
Surprisingly absent from both lists: Dallas
think he's working with what he has, hasn't had weapons to do air it outPer my other comments, not a fan of bringing in Vrabel. He's from the BB system as a player, has coached a ground and pound offense, favors the defensive side of the ball, and he'd likely be content to keep the coaches, system, and methodology of what is already in place. Under Vrabel, the Titans have been a Bottom 5-10 passing team every season and as an organization really aren't in any better shape than NE. The Titans have 12 wins over the past 2 seasons compared to 11 for NE. Not sure Vrabel would be able to fix the culture, roster, or system in NE. IMO, all that would change is BB wouldn't be there . . . but would not be hopeful the outcome would be much different.