Black People and Columbus Day - Gotta Be Mixed Feelings, Right? (1 Viewer)

[Officer Pete Malloy]

i blame Columbus for Vietnam and Iraq!

I don't know about that. I was mostly referring to the acts committed by Columbus and his men according to their own accounts in letters.

And I was referring to the claim that Columbus lead blacks to slavery. Slavery was a worldwide institution which was going to happen in America no matter what Columbus did or didn't do. Columbus did what was done back in the day. The acts of Columbus were mostly on the shoulders of the country of Spain who commissioned him and profited off his acts. He did some nasty things and does not deserve a holiday, but he was not Hitler either.

Where did you get your History degree? Kinkos?

Definitely did not learn it from the Blame-America first wing nuts in this forum. Here is a place to start your journey to at least having some knowledge on the subject.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery

Still not a worldwide institution. To say it was is incorrect and misleading.

 

[jon_mx]

i blame Columbus for Vietnam and Iraq!

I don't know about that. I was mostly referring to the acts committed by Columbus and his men according to their own accounts in letters.

And I was referring to the claim that Columbus lead blacks to slavery. Slavery was a worldwide institution which was going to happen in America no matter what Columbus did or didn't do. Columbus did what was done back in the day. The acts of Columbus were mostly on the shoulders of the country of Spain who commissioned him and profited off his acts. He did some nasty things and does not deserve a holiday, but he was not Hitler either.

Where did you get your History degree? Kinkos?

Definitely did not learn it from the Blame-America first wing nuts in this forum. Here is a place to start your journey to at least having some knowledge on the subject.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery

Still not a worldwide institution. To say it was is incorrect and misleading.

Now you are trying to engage in semantics to try to twist some sense out of what you said. It is an institution and it has a worldwide history. If it does not meet your definition of 'worldwide institution', that is your problem.

"The history of slavery spans nearly every culture, nationality and religion, and from ancient times to the present day. "

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

i blame Columbus for Vietnam and Iraq!

I don't know about that. I was mostly referring to the acts committed by Columbus and his men according to their own accounts in letters.

And I was referring to the claim that Columbus lead blacks to slavery. Slavery was a worldwide institution which was going to happen in America no matter what Columbus did or didn't do. Columbus did what was done back in the day. The acts of Columbus were mostly on the shoulders of the country of Spain who commissioned him and profited off his acts. He did some nasty things and does not deserve a holiday, but he was not Hitler either.

Where did you get your History degree? Kinkos?

Definitely did not learn it from the Blame-America first wing nuts in this forum. Here is a place to start your journey to at least having some knowledge on the subject.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery

Still not a worldwide institution. To say it was is incorrect and misleading.

Now you are trying to engage in semantics to try to twist some sense out of what you said. It is an institution and it has a worldwide history. If it does not meet your definition of 'worldwide institution', that is your problem.

"The history of slavery spans nearly every culture, nationality and religion, and from ancient times to the present day. "

Still not a worldwide institution.

Next time choose your words more wisely and people won't have to get into "semantics".

 

[jon_mx]

i blame Columbus for Vietnam and Iraq!

I don't know about that. I was mostly referring to the acts committed by Columbus and his men according to their own accounts in letters.

And I was referring to the claim that Columbus lead blacks to slavery. Slavery was a worldwide institution which was going to happen in America no matter what Columbus did or didn't do. Columbus did what was done back in the day. The acts of Columbus were mostly on the shoulders of the country of Spain who commissioned him and profited off his acts. He did some nasty things and does not deserve a holiday, but he was not Hitler either.

Where did you get your History degree? Kinkos?

Definitely did not learn it from the Blame-America first wing nuts in this forum. Here is a place to start your journey to at least having some knowledge on the subject.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery

Still not a worldwide institution. To say it was is incorrect and misleading.

Now you are trying to engage in semantics to try to twist some sense out of what you said. It is an institution and it has a worldwide history. If it does not meet your definition of 'worldwide institution', that is your problem.

"The history of slavery spans nearly every culture, nationality and religion, and from ancient times to the present day. "

Still not a worldwide institution.

Next time choose your words more wisely and people won't have to get into "semantics".

You have completely backtracked from attacking my knowledge of history to some lame attack on semantics, which is just your extremely narrow interpretation of what the words mean. Really pathetic. The point was the OP's link to Columbus and blacks makes little sense.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Don't make misleading blanket statements and people won't "attack" you knowledge of history, Rube.

 

[jon_mx]

Don't make misleading blanket statements and people won't "attack" you knowledge of history, Rube.

Blanket statements? I was very targeted at who I was speaking of, and even that was after you started in. This is a waste of pixels.

 

[Foosball God]

 

[Cjw_55106]

I am on the side of "Why would blacks care more than anyone else"? Native Americans, aside.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Don't make misleading blanket statements and people won't "attack" you knowledge of history, Rube.

Blanket statements? I was very targeted at who I was speaking of, and even that was after you started in. This is a waste of pixels.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Don't make misleading blanket statements and people won't "attack" you knowledge of history, Rube.

Not sure what more you want from the guy. He posted a wikipedia article in his defense. Case closed.

 

[E Street Brat]

Definitely did not learn it from the Blame-America first wing nuts in this forum.

Wait, Columbus was American?

Hard to tell because of his accent.

 

[jon_mx]

Don't make misleading blanket statements and people won't "attack" you knowledge of history, Rube.

Not sure what more you want from the guy. He posted a wikipedia article in his defense. Case closed.

Which is far more information than he has posted. I linked to it because I thought it might be written at a level he could understand. Wait, you aren't one of those who think Columbus is responsible for bringing over African slaves? It was just after Columbus last trip to the new world that the influx of African slaves began.

 

[Bull Dozier]

My kids have school.

Agreed, just government workers are off from what I can see.

I work for a bank and I'm off....but that's because my office is closed when the Fed is closed.

 

[CBusAlex]

Not sure what more you want from the guy. He posted a wikipedia article in his defense. Case closed.

Wait, you aren't one of those who think Columbus is responsible for bringing over African slaves?

Looking at his posts, it's clear he believes exactly that, and hates America for it. Thank god you're here to defend your country from these not-at-all-imaginary enemies.

 

[jon_mx]

Not sure what more you want from the guy. He posted a wikipedia article in his defense. Case closed.

Wait, you aren't one of those who think Columbus is responsible for bringing over African slaves?

Looking at his posts, it's clear he believes exactly that, and hates America for it. Thank god you're here to defend your country from these not-at-all-imaginary enemies.

Just for the record, the comment was directed at a few posters who have posted that our military are uneducated men who intentionally shoot women and children and intentionally bomb hospitals. If you put yourself into the blame-America first camp , it is your own doing. I was painting with a very pointed brush.

 

[Zow]

Who gets off from work for Columbus day?

courts are closed baby!

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Don't make misleading blanket statements and people won't "attack" you knowledge of history, Rube.

Not sure what more you want from the guy. He posted a wikipedia article in his defense. Case closed.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/42/77/0a/42770ae137786bca0b819f2dc45fe039.jpg

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Not sure what more you want from the guy. He posted a wikipedia article in his defense. Case closed.

Wait, you aren't one of those who think Columbus is responsible for bringing over African slaves?

Looking at his posts, it's clear he believes exactly that, and hates America for it. Thank god you're here to defend your country from these not-at-all-imaginary enemies.

Just for the record, the comment was directed at a few posters who have posted that our military are uneducated men who intentionally shoot women and children and intentionally bomb hospitals. If you put yourself into the blame-America first camp , it is your own doing. I was painting with a very pointed brush.

To be fair, I absolutely have a litany of posts stating these very things, regardless of what the actual thread topic is about. I just can't get enough of blaming America!

 

[cstu]

Who gets off from work for Columbus day?

courts are closed baby!

And appraisal offices!

 

[chauncey]

i blame Columbus for Vietnam and Iraq!

I don't know about that. I was mostly referring to the acts committed by Columbus and his men according to their own accounts in letters.

And I was referring to the claim that Columbus lead blacks to slavery. Slavery was a worldwide institution which was going to happen in America no matter what Columbus did or didn't do. Columbus did what was done back in the day. The acts of Columbus were mostly on the shoulders of the country of Spain who commissioned him and profited off his acts. He did some nasty things and does not deserve a holiday, but he was not Hitler either.

Where did you get your History degree? Kinkos?

Definitely did not learn it from the Blame-America first wing nuts in this forum. Here is a place to start your journey to at least having some knowledge on the subject.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery

Still not a worldwide institution. To say it was is incorrect and misleading.

Exactly!

Just because 6 of 7 continents had slavery at some point doesn't mean it was worldwide.

#AntarcticLivesMatter

 

[jonessed]

Columbus isn't exactly a big player in the history of black slavery. I don't see why he would be singled out.

 

[McGarnicle]

"Rube" is criminally underutilized imo.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Definitely did not learn it from the Blame-America first wing nuts in this forum.

Wait, Columbus was American?

Was talking about the history of slavery, not Columbus. Still don't get the connection between blacks and Columbus made in the OP. Most of his crimes were against the indigenous people of the Bahamas. Seems like some are of the belief America was the center of all slavery and all slaves were black and somehow Columbus is to blame.

He was the father of the Atlantic slave trade that brought African slaves to North America. HTH.

 

[McGarnicle]

Are schools teaching the truth about him yet? Any chance of swapping Columbus Day for 9/11?

 

[joffer]

Are schools teaching the truth about him yet? Any chance of swapping Columbus Day for 9/11?

Textbooks in Texas now refer to slaves as "immigrants"

 

[jonessed]

Definitely did not learn it from the Blame-America first wing nuts in this forum.

Wait, Columbus was American?

Was talking about the history of slavery, not Columbus. Still don't get the connection between blacks and Columbus made in the OP. Most of his crimes were against the indigenous people of the Bahamas. Seems like some are of the belief America was the center of all slavery and all slaves were black and somehow Columbus is to blame.

He was the father of the Atlantic slave trade that brought African slaves to North America. HTH.

If he is to be considered the father of the Atlantic slave trade it would be because he sent Indians back to Spain.

Moving African slaves to the New World came later (I suppose his son could be considered here).