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Blake Bortles - Official Thread (1 Viewer)
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Three a game is garbage.
I would make him guilty on a decent number of em' 15-20? One a game, he holds it too long and all in all I couldn't care less. It's not like super obvious and get crushed, he's holding it trying to buy time and....the effort is there.
Jags have drafted linemen. Just like the Titans, they need to put things in motion to overpay some 'name' offensive line coach. Enough hits and a young QB will become gun shy and skittish and...gotta fix it asap.
The Jags and Titans have the most cap $ last I checked and Okung is a free agent. I expect them to battle over him in free agency.
Both teams need to play with a FB and if there's some fascination to playing without, well then not until they get a good OL. You could have a "last line of defense" to protect your gem of a QB but are choosing not to, just doesn't make any sense at all to me.
Above-I don't think Thomas is elite at all. Good, solid, fine but not elite. Jags have always had good TEs.
They ought to trade Lee.
Walters was pretty good at times, making some key catches. Greene is a real good little bugger. Benn on IR, Shaq Evans on the practice squad. Kudos to either their personnel guy or WR coach or both because they all produce right away, except Lee(who gets hurt often too). Why wait for Lee to develop? He just takes away time these others could get on the practice field and then during the game- they produce, he doesn't. 6 deep is plenty and all young and nice talents...just trade Lee and move on.
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JaxBill
Footballguy
Jags have drafted linemen...and their best lineman Linder has been on IR the second half of the season. Beadles and Wiz will probably be let go and if Alex Mack is avilable they'll probably take another run at him. So the middle of the line next year would like AJCann-FA center -Linder. they have to figure out if they want to cut bait on Joekel. Parnell is good at RT.
FB are a thing of the past. Quite a few teams don't have one. They need another RB to back up yeldon and use Shoelaces a change of pace back. Yeldon looked decent in blitz pickup.
Thomas could be elite but he looked out of shape this year.
They wouldn't get much, if anything, for a smallish Wr who is quick but not blazing fast who can't stay healthy.
The biggest thing that has padded Bortles' numbers isn't (just) the garbage time. It's the Jags complete inability to run the ball in the Red Zone. They refuse to spread out the formation and bunch everybody up as the RB gets stuffed for no gain. Would love to know how many TD he threw after the run got stuffed inside the 10.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
To be fair, no QB is going to throw 35 TDs without throwing a lot from inside the 10. And when your best weapons in the red zone are guys like Robinson and Thomas, why not? It's not an easy place to throw and he excelled at it, and he didn't even have Thomas for a chunk of the year or a legit #3 WR for most of it either.
And while he had plenty of garbage time, those numbers can be more than made up for in the future just by normal improvement that keeps the offense on the field and sustains drives. He's not a finished product, but showing that much improvement from year 1 to year 2 is a very positive sign.
People want to try hard to find fault with guys to justify their original opinions. People didn't like Bortles, so they try and pick apart his numbers to support why he's just not that good. It takes talent to have the year he just had no matter how the numbers came, and it's not unrealistic to expect him to improve in a lot of areas even if his situation changes.
He has an NFL arm, above average mobility, tons of weapons, an organization that seems committed to surrounding him with talent, and he just accounted for almost 40 TDs as a 23 year old. Enjoy it and see what he does next year.
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And while he had plenty of garbage time, those numbers can be more than made up for in the future just by normal improvement that keeps the offense on the field and sustains drives. He's not a finished product, but showing that much improvement from year 1 to year 2 is a very positive sign.
People want to try hard to find fault with guys to justify their original opinions. People didn't like Bortles, so they try and pick apart his numbers to support why he's just not that good. It takes talent to have the year he just had no matter how the numbers came, and it's not unrealistic to expect him to improve in a lot of areas even if his situation changes.
He has an NFL arm, above average mobility, tons of weapons, an organization that seems committed to surrounding him with talent, and he just accounted for almost 40 TDs as a 23 year old. Enjoy it and see what he does next year.
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And those teams either have good lines or get the QB beat up regularly. If he can buy Bortles a second to throw it away and not get laid out while the team grows I think it's the right move.
This pretentious second TE offense bugs me.
The Titans have for years had a top blocking TE and the Jags did with Brady and then another after him. You knew if the QB got smacked, it was not gonna be from the side they were blocking. That was good.
Now it's Marcedes or Fasano and presented as if there's this illusion they'll catch more than one ball with Thomas or Walker in there. No one is fooled. Most Ds would probably give em' the one catch too.
They're decent blocking TEs but they are not tackles and they're not good enough to cover for a bad tackle, when ya throw that on top of no one being fooled into thinking they're this great receiving threat, it's just garbage. Put the FB in and play ball. If the Tackle stinks, then coach him or get a new one.
Both teams totally took the excellent blocking TE role and went too far with it.
When the Jags put Greene in the slot and pull Marcedes with Bortles in shotgun- they don't look bad at all. So what if he catches 2 yard passes, at least it wasn't a charade with Marcedes where Bortles got sacked.
If you don't like my idea with FB til the line gets improved, fine, I just wish both teams would stop with that extra TE garbage. Oh no Clay Harbor is gonna beat us deep...cmon
Yeah it doesn't matter how one bit when a guy is starting out.
He got the production, that's all that matters.
They can coach and scheme from there as he matures. Getting it done was important
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
I cant recall the last time game/season-script dictated a player's value this much. It's nice to see him chipping away at that conventional wisdom so far in the pre-season.
It makes sense to be a buyer of Bortles imo b/c one might expect improvement vs 2015 via:
(1) expectation that his comp % to rise driven by learning curve and less deficit throwing,
(2) his number of possessions and time of possession to increase via high comp % and improved d,
(3) his weapons to continue to improve (Arob/Hurns/Lee have not approached their ceiling and Thomas will improve this year vs '15 if he's finally healthy),
(4) a continued inclination to pass in the RZ with improved production there. Bortles led the NFL in RZ attempts last year from both inside the 20 and inside the 10, and was just 11th out of the 17 in comp % in RZ with more than 60 attempts-- though the TD% was quite good. Will Ivory's presence change this? Maybe, but RZ tendencies are often mindset-based more than score/game-script or personnel based and Im willing to bet that there hasnt been enough change in personnel or score to change their RZ approach. This is perhaps the riskiest assumption in this thesis, but my gut tells me this assumption is reason to buy.
All of this more than offsetting garbage time/game-script boosts he got last year.
It makes sense to be a buyer of Bortles imo b/c one might expect improvement vs 2015 via:
(1) expectation that his comp % to rise driven by learning curve and less deficit throwing,
(2) his number of possessions and time of possession to increase via high comp % and improved d,
(3) his weapons to continue to improve (Arob/Hurns/Lee have not approached their ceiling and Thomas will improve this year vs '15 if he's finally healthy),
(4) a continued inclination to pass in the RZ with improved production there. Bortles led the NFL in RZ attempts last year from both inside the 20 and inside the 10, and was just 11th out of the 17 in comp % in RZ with more than 60 attempts-- though the TD% was quite good. Will Ivory's presence change this? Maybe, but RZ tendencies are often mindset-based more than score/game-script or personnel based and Im willing to bet that there hasnt been enough change in personnel or score to change their RZ approach. This is perhaps the riskiest assumption in this thesis, but my gut tells me this assumption is reason to buy.
All of this more than offsetting garbage time/game-script boosts he got last year.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
I don't see any reason for him to not be a valuable fantasy asset. I do think he's one of those guys that is a better fantasy player than he is a "reality" player. I remember lots of games last season where he led his team to a fairly massive deficit in the first halves of games--and then filled up the stat sheets with second half garbage stats. With that being said--he's the 8th qb getting drafted in fantasy drafts right now. The guys ahead of him are: Cam, Aaron Rodgers, Wilson, Luck, Big Ben, Brees, Carson Palmer. For me personally--the only guy on that list that I think I could draft him ahead of would maybe be Palmer--and I'd probably talk myself out of that. I'd even have a hard time drafting him over a guy like Brady being that I could draft a guy like Stafford very late to fill for the first four games. Basically--I agree with you--I think he'll be solid---but I also feel like the fantasy world is drafting him more or less around the right spot.
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm OK with his draft slot, seems about right. He's sort of at the top of that next tier, and by the end of the year, who knows how that tier winds up, but I think he's about right.
A common theme of the offseason is that he's going to regress, because they are going to be a lot better, run more, and he won't get as much garbage time. For one thing, I dunno if they are going to be a ton better right away. I love their offseason, who wouldn't? But there are a lot of new moving parts, but they could also go from scoring garbage time points to being in shootouts.
A common theme of the offseason is that he's going to regress, because they are going to be a lot better, run more, and he won't get as much garbage time. For one thing, I dunno if they are going to be a ton better right away. I love their offseason, who wouldn't? But there are a lot of new moving parts, but they could also go from scoring garbage time points to being in shootouts.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I didn't particularly love the look of the last game. 320 yards but - TD to Julius. It's just one game but I feel like the expectations of better defensive performance are going to tamp down Bortles' game day point totals.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
He made some very nice throws and looked in command.
I have my eye on 3rd downs for this team. And they went 4 of 15. I think the team has a lot of what we want; strong weapons, leans on the pass in any times of stress, passes in the RZ, etc. But the team needs to get more make-able 3rd and mids/short before they can really increase the total TD # consistently in both times of winning and losing.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Getting destroyed today.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
He looks like rookie Bortles today.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
This is typical Bortles. Play bad to get his team down big--and he'll put up some solid fantasy stats second half. Far better fantasy qb than he his a reality qb.
TheBottomLine
Footballguy
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
I dunno man. Stafford always had marginal success and I generally remember the Lions staying a bit more competitive in more games than the Jags. It seriously feels like the vast majority of blakes production is predicated on how terrible he is. He's truly a creator of his own garbage time stats. The sad part is that Bortles played basically as bad as a qb could have (along with Alex smith and Jameis Winston today)--but will end up going for 330 passing yards, 30 rushing yards, 2tds, 2 ints--which is actually a pretty solid day in regards to fantasy points.
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PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
I didn't watch the game and it's obvious he didn't play well but is it his fault the Chargers scored 38 points and Rivers has a 138 passing rating?
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
Umm...if you turn the ball over 3-4 times and give the opposing team more chances to score as well as excellent field position--then yes--much of the blame falls on your shoulders. Bortles was so bad today that he didn't even give his team a chance to win from the moment the game started.
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Pipes
Footballguy
A good QB keeping drives going is a defenses best friend. I get your point but at some point we have to stop making excuses for this guy.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Neither have you but it doesn't stop you from throwing 40 interceptions a week in this forum. amirite?
So about yesterday-- Bortles is becoming the QB that the media loves to pile on. As usual, there's plenty of truth in that and also plenty of piling-on-out-of-convenience factored into that too. 3 picks is 3 picks, so that will generate negativity and rightly so.
But from a fantasy perspective he is looking like a buy-low. The line is banged up, but his weapons are healthy and he is a 0.0% threat to lose his job. He's looking more of a mirror of Eli Manning in some ways than he has in the past-- but with a higher propensity to throw at the GL.
But from a fantasy perspective he is looking like a buy-low. The line is banged up, but his weapons are healthy and he is a 0.0% threat to lose his job. He's looking more of a mirror of Eli Manning in some ways than he has in the past-- but with a higher propensity to throw at the GL.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Well, he's taken a step back so far this year. No getting around that.
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
Feel like the internet hate on Bortles is way out of control after this game. You could argue he was the best Jag on the field in the first half. He made one horrid throw where he bounced the ball to the receiver (maybe he short armed it to avoid a potential int?) but other than that he wasn't that bad. Did he beat up Phil Simms kid or something? No ints, put his shoulder down to get a nice first down, nice draw on that 2pt conversion. His o-line was horrid, his rb's was horrid, his wr's couldn't make simple adjustments on back shoulder throws. Robinson inexplicably just stopped his rout over the middle on the first drive of the game on the 3rd down play. Play calling was awful as well. Guy was slinging it in the 2nd half. Maybe start the game with him in the shotgun instead of that vanilla, predictable garbage they were running in the first half.
