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Blake Bortles - Official Thread (1 Viewer)

Ugh. I like Bortles. Rooting for he and the Jags to turn it around. But I have zero faith in the people making the decisions to do the right thing. It's never good for a young kid to be switching OC's/HC's early in their careers. Ideally these rookie QBs should be groomed for two years at least before they begin starting games. That way they can work on their fundamentals and the nuances of the game. Sure, we've seen rookie QBs come in and have solid seasons in their first years...only to fall flat on their faces the next year because DCs have had a chance to study their game tape and learn their bad habits and tendencies.

Good luck Bortles!

 
As a Jaguars season ticket holder since before Gabbert was drafted, I can't yet say whether Bortles will develop into a top 15 or better passer in this league, but I will say that the comparisons to Gabbert are naive at best and likely from someone who doesn't watch Jaguars games and only looks at stats. Gabbert had all the tools as Bortles does, but Gabbert's problem was from the eyebrows up and from the fact that he felt phantom pressure on every play. Bortles isn't scared to take a hit. Gabbert was. Bortles' mechanics do need work and he was running for his life behind a bad O-line all season. His mechanics looked good in pre-season and early in the regular season, but when teams started to sense they could get to him and get to him often because of bad protection, it's no shock he regressed to some of his older habits and mechanics. I think a full offseason will help him and we've got good young receivers developing here as well. We just need better O-line play. Hopefully some more talent will be brought in and new O-line coach Doug Marrone can get the most out of them. If that happens I think you'll see a big jump in year 2 for Bortles.

I would have preferred Bortles to sit longer as well, but what's done is done and the experience should benefit him in the long run. I don't subscribe to the notion that QBs can be ruined by putting them in too early. If their confidence gets shattered, they weren't ever going to be "the guy" anyway.

Interceptions are killers and Bortles had 17 in the 13 1/2 games he played in. But 12 of those came in his first 5 1/2 games (his first appearance was after halftime against Indy in week 3). He definitely made better decisions in the 2nd part of the year though his completion percentage did take a dive. He, the O-line and the receivers will need to make strides to get better production out of the passing game next year.

I don't want to sugar coat anything because there was definitely enough bad to warrant criticism, but I don't see the parallels to Gabbert. I saw someone who was put in too early and wasn't truly ready, who regressed in some areas and progressed in others. If there isn't significant progression from him this year, the Jags will likely be drafting a QB high in next years draft again, unfortunately.

 
As a Jaguars season ticket holder since before Gabbert was drafted, I can't yet say whether Bortles will develop into a top 15 or better passer in this league, but I will say that the comparisons to Gabbert are naive at best and likely from someone who doesn't watch Jaguars games and only looks at stats. Gabbert had all the tools as Bortles does, but Gabbert's problem was from the eyebrows up and from the fact that he felt phantom pressure on every play. Bortles isn't scared to take a hit. Gabbert was. Bortles' mechanics do need work and he was running for his life behind a bad O-line all season. His mechanics looked good in pre-season and early in the regular season, but when teams started to sense they could get to him and get to him often because of bad protection, it's no shock he regressed to some of his older habits and mechanics. I think a full offseason will help him and we've got good young receivers developing here as well. We just need better O-line play. Hopefully some more talent will be brought in and new O-line coach Doug Marrone can get the most out of them. If that happens I think you'll see a big jump in year 2 for Bortles.

I would have preferred Bortles to sit longer as well, but what's done is done and the experience should benefit him in the long run. I don't subscribe to the notion that QBs can be ruined by putting them in too early. If their confidence gets shattered, they weren't ever going to be "the guy" anyway.

Interceptions are killers and Bortles had 17 in the 13 1/2 games he played in. But 12 of those came in his first 5 1/2 games (his first appearance was after halftime against Indy in week 3). He definitely made better decisions in the 2nd part of the year though his completion percentage did take a dive. He, the O-line and the receivers will need to make strides to get better production out of the passing game next year.

I don't want to sugar coat anything because there was definitely enough bad to warrant criticism, but I don't see the parallels to Gabbert. I saw someone who was put in too early and wasn't truly ready, who regressed in some areas and progressed in others. If there isn't significant progression from him this year, the Jags will likely be drafting a QB high in next years draft again, unfortunately.
:goodposting: Welcome, logic77.

 
Ugh. I like Bortles. Rooting for he and the Jags to turn it around. But I have zero faith in the people making the decisions to do the right thing. It's never good for a young kid to be switching OC's/HC's early in their careers. Ideally these rookie QBs should be groomed for two years at least before they begin starting games. That way they can work on their fundamentals and the nuances of the game. Sure, we've seen rookie QBs come in and have solid seasons in their first years...only to fall flat on their faces the next year because DCs have had a chance to study their game tape and learn their bad habits and tendencies.

Good luck Bortles!
That's the only logical reason that the Jags opted for Olson over Gase. They probably figured that gase would be looking to bolt at first available HC gig next offseason and didn't want him with 3 OC in 3 years.

 
As a Jaguars season ticket holder since before Gabbert was drafted, I can't yet say whether Bortles will develop into a top 15 or better passer in this league, but I will say that the comparisons to Gabbert are naive at best and likely from someone who doesn't watch Jaguars games and only looks at stats. Gabbert had all the tools as Bortles does, but Gabbert's problem was from the eyebrows up and from the fact that he felt phantom pressure on every play. Bortles isn't scared to take a hit. Gabbert was. Bortles' mechanics do need work and he was running for his life behind a bad O-line all season. His mechanics looked good in pre-season and early in the regular season, but when teams started to sense they could get to him and get to him often because of bad protection, it's no shock he regressed to some of his older habits and mechanics. I think a full offseason will help him and we've got good young receivers developing here as well. We just need better O-line play. Hopefully some more talent will be brought in and new O-line coach Doug Marrone can get the most out of them. If that happens I think you'll see a big jump in year 2 for Bortles.

I would have preferred Bortles to sit longer as well, but what's done is done and the experience should benefit him in the long run. I don't subscribe to the notion that QBs can be ruined by putting them in too early. If their confidence gets shattered, they weren't ever going to be "the guy" anyway.

Interceptions are killers and Bortles had 17 in the 13 1/2 games he played in. But 12 of those came in his first 5 1/2 games (his first appearance was after halftime against Indy in week 3). He definitely made better decisions in the 2nd part of the year though his completion percentage did take a dive. He, the O-line and the receivers will need to make strides to get better production out of the passing game next year.

I don't want to sugar coat anything because there was definitely enough bad to warrant criticism, but I don't see the parallels to Gabbert. I saw someone who was put in too early and wasn't truly ready, who regressed in some areas and progressed in others. If there isn't significant progression from him this year, the Jags will likely be drafting a QB high in next years draft again, unfortunately.
:goodposting:

The bolded has been noted by several observers both nationally and locally so while Cosell's analysis is on the mark, it's not exactly groundbreaking.

 
Rotoworld:

Jaguars owner Shad Khan expressed support for first-year QB Blake Bortles.

"I love Blake, and I think he’s a key building block moving forward," Khan said, adding he sees new OC Greg Olson as the person to "unlock" Bortles' potential. Bortles' poor play contributed to the firing of OC Jedd Fisch, and it seems Olson and new QBs coach Nathaniel Hackett were brought in for the express purpose of developing Bortles. That could be easier said than done, as Bortles struggled with decision-making and inaccuracy. Bortles does have a ton of natural talent, and the likely return of Justin Blackmon would bolster his receiver corps. The good news is Bortles can only get better than he was as a rookie.

Source: Florida Times Union
Jan 31 - 9:16 AM
 
Rotoworld:

New Jaguars OC Greg Olson isn't looking to curtail Blake Bortles' scrambling.
Bortles was walloped for an obscene 71 sacks as a rookie, many of which were the result of Bortles holding onto the ball for too long. "When a play does break down protection-wise and you have a guy that can go get yards, you don't want to discourage it," Olson said. "There is a time to make something to happen with your feet. For other quarterbacks, that's not part of their makeup. That's a strength of Blake's and we want him to continue to utilize that." Olson isn't wrong, but improving Bortles' pocket awareness will be a must. It's a task that's always easier said than done.

Source: Florida Times Union
Feb 5 - 5:01 PM
 
Rotoworld take:

Coach Gus Bradley saw progress from Blake Bortles over the final month and a half of his rookie season.

"The last five to six games, he picked it up," Bradley said. "It’s our job to get even more talent around him." Most film watchers believe Bortles crumbled as the season went on, and it shows in his stats. Weeks 1-8, Bortles completed 63.5 percent of his passes, averaged 6.6 YPA, took 17 sacks, and had a 6:12 TD:INT ratio. While he cut down on the turnovers Weeks 9-17, sporting a 5:5 TD:INT clip, Bortles completed just 55.4 percent of his throws, averaged 5.5 YPA, and absorbed a whopping 38 sacks. NFL Films guru Greg Cosell opined the Jaguars need to start all over with the basics with last year's No. 3 overall pick. Bortles held onto the ball far too long as a rookie. The additions of RT Jermey Parnell, TE Julius Thomas, and a healthy Allen Robinson should help the cause.

Source: Florida Times Union
Mar 25 - 8:59 AM
 
Rotoworld:

Blake Bortles says he was "kind of fat" as a rookie.
Bortles was apparently tipping the scales at 250 by the end of the season after weighing 232 at last year's Combine. He's now down to 238, and says he's reduced his body fat from 17 to 10 percent. Conditioning is one of many things Bortles must improve on as a sophomore.

Source: John Oehser on Twitter
Apr 21 - 1:16 PM
 
Re-drafting the 2014 quarterback class

Excerpts:

Blake Bortles made the type of rookie mistakes that can be corrected. He also made five plays nearly every game that few other starters could pull off. His numbers were absolutely dreadful, rivaling the worst rookie seasons in QBR since 2006. The tape told a different story. He looked so much better on film than guys like Jimmy Clausen, Blaine Gabbert and Alex Smith as rookies.

Jacksonville planned to give Bortles a redshirt season and must have wondered if they were doing permanent damage by playing him behind a depressing offensive line. No rookie quarterback dealt with more quick pressure or inexperience around him. Too many plays and games were over before Bortles did anything wrong. While Bortles' mechanics fell off late in the year, his decision-making improved. His athleticism came to the forefront. He never lost his aggressiveness and his coaches put more on his plate as the year wore on. That's a great sign.

There are concerns, of course. Some of those sacks were on him and he was often fooled by defenses. Short, touch passes were far from routine. Still, Bortles showed off a bigger arm and even more athleticism than I expected. He looked like Cam Newton at times. He could improvise and throw well on the move. He performed well in the two-minute drill. A lot of the "tough-to-find" traits are there. The flash is there. Bortles has potential to make a huge leap in Year 2 by improving the basics and getting a little help from his teammates. His ceiling could still be higher than Bridgewater's, but he's far from a sure bet.
I knew Bortles could run, but I didn't expect him to look that good as a runner. He made J.J. Watt look silly on a 22-yard scramble, and pulled off other similar plays.
Bortles was strangely at his worst in garbage time. Perhaps that comes from not taking what the defense gives him. That helps explain his poor overall numbers.
Degree of difficulty was taken into account with these rankings. They all played in poor situations, but Bortles had the biggest uphill battle. His pass protection was embarrassing and gave him no chance too often. He was playing with a group of rookie receivers as green as he was. That's one reason why he could make the biggest jump in Year 2.
 
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Re-drafting the 2014 quarterback class

Excerpt:

Blake Bortles made the type of rookie mistakes that can be corrected. He also made five plays nearly every game that few other starters could pull off. His numbers were absolutely dreadful, rivaling the worst rookie seasons in QBR since 2006. The tape told a different story. He looked so much better on film than guys like Jimmy Clausen, Blaine Gabbert and Alex Smith as rookies.

Jacksonville planned to give Bortles a redshirt season and must have wondered if they were doing permanent damage by playing him behind a depressing offensive line. No rookie quarterback dealt with more quick pressure or inexperience around him. Too many plays and games were over before Bortles did anything wrong. While Bortles' mechanics fell off late in the year, his decision-making improved. His athleticism came to the forefront. He never lost his aggressiveness and his coaches put more on his plate as the year wore on. That's a great sign.

There are concerns, of course. Some of those sacks were on him and he was often fooled by defenses. Short, touch passes were far from routine. Still, Bortles showed off a bigger arm and even more athleticism than I expected. He looked like Cam Newton at times. He could improvise and throw well on the move. He performed well in the two-minute drill. A lot of the "tough-to-find" traits are there. The flash is there. Bortles has potential to make a huge leap in Year 2 by improving the basics and getting a little help from his teammates. His ceiling could still be higher than Bridgewater's, but he's far from a sure bet.
The rest is sugar coating ####

 
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Re-drafting the 2014 quarterback class

Excerpt:

Blake Bortles made the type of rookie mistakes that can be corrected. He also made five plays nearly every game that few other starters could pull off. His numbers were absolutely dreadful, rivaling the worst rookie seasons in QBR since 2006. The tape told a different story. He looked so much better on film than guys like Jimmy Clausen, Blaine Gabbert and Alex Smith as rookies.

Jacksonville planned to give Bortles a redshirt season and must have wondered if they were doing permanent damage by playing him behind a depressing offensive line. No rookie quarterback dealt with more quick pressure or inexperience around him. Too many plays and games were over before Bortles did anything wrong. While Bortles' mechanics fell off late in the year, his decision-making improved. His athleticism came to the forefront. He never lost his aggressiveness and his coaches put more on his plate as the year wore on. That's a great sign.

There are concerns, of course. Some of those sacks were on him and he was often fooled by defenses. Short, touch passes were far from routine. Still, Bortles showed off a bigger arm and even more athleticism than I expected. He looked like Cam Newton at times. He could improvise and throw well on the move. He performed well in the two-minute drill. A lot of the "tough-to-find" traits are there. The flash is there. Bortles has potential to make a huge leap in Year 2 by improving the basics and getting a little help from his teammates. His ceiling could still be higher than Bridgewater's, but he's far from a sure bet.
RN still isn't convinced....
 
Of course I'm not. Because reasonable people do not judge a QB's ceiling based on his rookie season.
Especially not one who will be throwing to Julius Thomas, Allen Robinson, Marqise Lee, and Allen Hurns this year. Maybe even Amari Coooper as well.

 
Of course I'm not. Because reasonable people do not judge a QB's ceiling based on his rookie season.
It's early enough for me to tell.
Plenty of quarterbacks had bad starts to their careers and turned out to be very good. Heck it took Drew Brees like 4 years to be good.
No, it took Drew Brees 4 years to be great.

Drew Brees posted a 76.9 passer rating in his first season as a starter. That's 10 points higher than Bortles.

 
Of course I'm not. Because reasonable people do not judge a QB's ceiling based on his rookie season.
It's early enough for me to tell.
Plenty of quarterbacks had bad starts to their careers and turned out to be very good. Heck it took Drew Brees like 4 years to be good.
No, it took Drew Brees 4 years to be great.

Drew Brees posted a 76.9 passer rating in his first season as a starter. That's 10 points higher than Bortles.
And it was his second year in the league. We'll see if Bortles can do that in year 2, the same year Brees did. I'm not even trying to compare the players ,just saying that patience is important at QB

 
People are wondering why the Jags would take Cooper - and I say it's because he would instantly be the team's #1 WR. I like Robinson but I think he's better suited as the #2. With Lee in the slot that's a great group of WR's a young QB to have.

The only reason is they may not be sold on Fowler. I think he's a risk at #3 and would rather go with Cooper who no doubts about. Unless Leonard Williams falls there aren't any players worth the #3.

Fantasy-wise I don't like it but I can see it happening.

 
WR at #3 for this team would be a major blunder.
Here's why I disagree:

With free agency the most important thing in winning is to draft good players who contribute right away. Needs can be filled through free agency but there's serious value in having a stud player on a cheap rookie contract.

If Leonard Williams falls to #3 then they take him, but you don't draft a guy like Fowler because you need a LB more than a WR.

Cooper is one of the few sure things in this draft.

 
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Of course I'm not. Because reasonable people do not judge a QB's ceiling based on his rookie season.
It's early enough for me to tell.
Plenty of quarterbacks had bad starts to their careers and turned out to be very good. Heck it took Drew Brees like 4 years to be good.
No, it took Drew Brees 4 years to be great.

Drew Brees posted a 76.9 passer rating in his first season as a starter. That's 10 points higher than Bortles.
That was his second year in the league and he had Ladanian Tomlinson in the backfield (and catching 79 passes out of it). Not exactly apples to apples.

 
Of course I'm not. Because reasonable people do not judge a QB's ceiling based on his rookie season.
It's early enough for me to tell.
Plenty of quarterbacks had bad starts to their careers and turned out to be very good. Heck it took Drew Brees like 4 years to be good.
No, it took Drew Brees 4 years to be great.

Drew Brees posted a 76.9 passer rating in his first season as a starter. That's 10 points higher than Bortles.
That was his second year in the league and he had Ladanian Tomlinson in the backfield (and catching 79 passes out of it). Not exactly apples to apples.
Nor is comparing Brees early days to a more pass friendly league.
 
As a Jaguars season ticket holder since before Gabbert was drafted, I can't yet say whether Bortles will develop into a top 15 or better passer in this league, but I will say that the comparisons to Gabbert are naive at best and likely from someone who doesn't watch Jaguars games and only looks at stats. Gabbert had all the tools as Bortles does, but Gabbert's problem was from the eyebrows up and from the fact that he felt phantom pressure on every play. Bortles isn't scared to take a hit. Gabbert was. Bortles' mechanics do need work and he was running for his life behind a bad O-line all season. His mechanics looked good in pre-season and early in the regular season, but when teams started to sense they could get to him and get to him often because of bad protection, it's no shock he regressed to some of his older habits and mechanics. I think a full offseason will help him and we've got good young receivers developing here as well. We just need better O-line play. Hopefully some more talent will be brought in and new O-line coach Doug Marrone can get the most out of them. If that happens I think you'll see a big jump in year 2 for Bortles.

I would have preferred Bortles to sit longer as well, but what's done is done and the experience should benefit him in the long run. I don't subscribe to the notion that QBs can be ruined by putting them in too early. If their confidence gets shattered, they weren't ever going to be "the guy" anyway.

Interceptions are killers and Bortles had 17 in the 13 1/2 games he played in. But 12 of those came in his first 5 1/2 games (his first appearance was after halftime against Indy in week 3). He definitely made better decisions in the 2nd part of the year though his completion percentage did take a dive. He, the O-line and the receivers will need to make strides to get better production out of the passing game next year.

I don't want to sugar coat anything because there was definitely enough bad to warrant criticism, but I don't see the parallels to Gabbert. I saw someone who was put in too early and wasn't truly ready, who regressed in some areas and progressed in others. If there isn't significant progression from him this year, the Jags will likely be drafting a QB high in next years draft again, unfortunately.
Texans will help ruin him twice a year.

 
the actual quote sounds less like a #### head.

"$100 million is always exciting," Bortles said, via Jacksonville.com. "Those guys all earn it. They're great quarterbacks and they get paid what they deserve."

He added: "That's the goal. I try and get better each and every day and why not make a career out of this, not a job? I want to be here long term and do as much as I can to make this team better and have a blast doing it."
 
2015 minicamp: Four takeaways, Day Three

Excerpt:

Pleased with progress. Quarterback Blake Bortles’ offseason has been a major storyline in recent weeks, and Caldwell said the team has been pleased with his approach since the end of last season. Bortles, a starter in 13 games as a rookie last season, spent the first two months after the regular season in California working on fundamentals and mechanics, areas that continued to be a focus during OTAs and minicamp. “From the day the season ended last year, he set a plan and worked his tail off and did everything he said he was going to do,” Caldwell said. “We’re excited about his progress. He still has a ways to go. The thing we talk about, too, is the best thing Blake does you’re not going to see on the practice field – game time, two minutes, things like that. If you like what you’re seeing out here, that’s really encouraging because those aren’t the best things he does.”
 

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