Blueprint Juice Diet (1 Viewer)

[Joe T]

I'm betting on Oats weighing in at a svelte 210 come memorial day. I may join you in this nutrition adventure!

definitely taking the over here.

 

[Joe T]

I'm betting on Oats weighing in at a svelte 210 come memorial day. I may join you in this nutrition adventure!

My wife and I have a Miami beach vacation planned just the two of us in the end of March. She's already looking fantastic, and will continue to work on it so I don't feel so alone in this quest. Me? Well, I have a lot of work to do in about 7 weeks.

 

[Joe T]

This is a weight-loss thing?

I mean, you drink vegetables and ingest nothing else. I sure as hell hope so.

It looks more like a colon-blow thing than a diet thing. You can't lose that much weight in 3 days without doing anything. And if you want low calories, I've read you should read the fruits/vegetables rather than drinking the juice. You fill up much more for the same calories.But.... you should do it. What could go wrong?

It's a jump start on a diet thing. Also, you have a couple prep days where you basically cut all the crap out before you start it. So my juice gets delivered tomorrow afternoon, I start the next day. Today I ate a banana, a salad with no meat and no dressing (it looked like what you empty out of a lawnmower), and one of those greek yogurts. I've got some almonds to let loose in a bit and get really wild.So at the end of the week is it possible I lost 10lbs? I bet maybe.

How tall are you again? Notebook says 6'3"ish?

6'4"

And how heavy these days?

Bump.Oh, and I'll take the over.

There's a link to a scale photo earlier in the thread. TREASURE HUNT

Unfortunately, my work blocks imagur.net or whatever ,S.

 

[Ned]

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

When you're done with this, try the DrJ diet plan. You can eat whatever the hell you like, and it's really simple.

I would actually say that's poor advice, since what works for you isn't always going to work for everyone.so, you might not get all that hungry during the day, and as a result don't overindulge on the calories, but otis is apparently some big fat slob, and when he gets to the point of being hungry all judgement is going to go out the window, and he'll attack the first beef sandwich he sees and gorge himself.it's like drinking water in the summer if you're active in the sun --- don't wait 'til you're thirsty to start drinking water because by then it's too late.the better course of action, for a big fatty like otis, would be to do that multiple small meal/snack thing throughout the day, in an effort to preemptively curb his hunger pangs.just remember, a half dozen doughnuts doesn't count as the snack.you should be smart enough that you're aware which foods are the hollow calories, and look for substitutions.for example, my diet is already crap, so I wanted some kind of snack around that wouldn't be even more crap --- I decided to just get a big pile of sweet potatoes, and if I want a snack I'll microwave one up with maybe a little butter or salt.I don't know if that's low cal, but I know it's better than the junk alternatives I'd be eating.

 

[DrJ]

When you're done with this, try the DrJ diet plan. You can eat whatever the hell you like, and it's really simple.

I would actually say that's poor advice, since what works for you isn't always going to work for everyone.so, you might not get all that hungry during the day, and as a result don't overindulge on the calories, but otis is apparently some big fat slob, and when he gets to the point of being hungry all judgement is going to go out the window, and he'll attack the first beef sandwich he sees and gorge himself.

it's like drinking water in the summer if you're active in the sun --- don't wait 'til you're thirsty to start drinking water because by then it's too late.

the better course of action, for a big fatty like otis, would be to do that multiple small meal/snack thing throughout the day, in an effort to preemptively curb his hunger pangs.

just remember, a half dozen doughnuts doesn't count as the snack.

you should be smart enough that you're aware which foods are the hollow calories, and look for substitutions.

for example, my diet is already crap, so I wanted some kind of snack around that wouldn't be even more crap --- I decided to just get a big pile of sweet potatoes, and if I want a snack I'll microwave one up with maybe a little butter or salt.

I don't know if that's low cal, but I know it's better than the junk alternatives I'd be eating.

I address this as well - normal sized portions. If you aren't losing weight, make those "normal sized portions" smaller. He can eat that entire beef sandwich if he likes, but if that doesn't help him lose weight and he's still maintaining status quo then he simply needs to eat 2/3 of it or something. Voila. Weight starts falling off. Once that levels, if you aren't happy still, cut back to 1/2 of the sandwich. I have topped the 200 lb mark once in my life, my answer? Eat a single cheeseburger and small fries rather than the bacon double and large fries. Voila. Weight problem solved.It's just about finding a way to eat a reasonable number of calories for whatever weight he wants to be at. No need to change what you're eating necessary. Just eat less of it if your weight is too high.

I think what you're describing is what gets a lot of people into trouble. Fat slob Otis isn't going to be less attracted to the beef sandwich because he ate a snack. He'll probably eat both of them. Let him eat his gigantic beef sandwich dipped in gravy - just a little less. And if he's eating something in between while he's not really hungry, stop doing that. Problem solved.

 

[DrJ]

Also, the only time I found it necessary to constantly snack was on that Primal stuff. Like I said, it's nearly impossible to eat a large volume of calories on this so you're pretty much hungry constantly. I ate a lot of fruits and nuts and things as a result, love me some cashews (even though they're low on Sisson's scale of nuts). Beef jerky is another great snack, though ridiculously expensive when you consider $ / calorie - not a problem for the guy that can afford $75 a day of juice. But unless you're doing a diet that has really low "caloric density" like this, that shouldn't be necessary.

 

[Otis]

Finished my prep for this. Ate a really light day yesterday. Today had a very small salad, no dressing; a few pieces of canteloupe; a handful of raw almonds, and then just finished up with dinner, which was a couple small pieces of chicken and some spinach. Sprinkled in a little green tea a couple times. Tomorrow it's off to the races. This ought to be a nightmare, I mean fun.

 

[James Daulton]

I'm betting on Oats weighing in at a svelte 210 come memorial day. I may join you in this nutrition adventure!

definitely taking the over here.

In Otis We Trust

 

[DrJ]

Finished my prep for this. Ate a really light day yesterday. Today had a very small salad, no dressing; a few pieces of canteloupe; a handful of raw almonds, and then just finished up with dinner, which was a couple small pieces of chicken and some spinach. Sprinkled in a little green tea a couple times. Tomorrow it's off to the races. This ought to be a nightmare, I mean fun.

Luckily you have plenty of reserves, because this is basically starvation.

 

[proninja]

Also, the only time I found it necessary to constantly snack was on that Primal stuff. Like I said, it's nearly impossible to eat a large volume of calories on this so you're pretty much hungry constantly. I ate a lot of fruits and nuts and things as a result, love me some cashews (even though they're low on Sisson's scale of nuts). Beef jerky is another great snack, though ridiculously expensive when you consider $ / calorie - not a problem for the guy that can afford $75 a day of juice. But unless you're doing a diet that has really low "caloric density" like this, that shouldn't be necessary.

I had the exact opposite experience going strictly primal. After the first week or so I was much more satiated for a much longer time eating real food than when I ate processed stuff. The first week is pretty rough though.

 

[OC Zed]

Today's scale update?

 

[proninja]

Finished my prep for this. Ate a really light day yesterday. Today had a very small salad, no dressing; a few pieces of canteloupe; a handful of raw almonds, and then just finished up with dinner, which was a couple small pieces of chicken and some spinach. Sprinkled in a little green tea a couple times. Tomorrow it's off to the races. This ought to be a nightmare, I mean fun.

If the juice thing doesn't work, just keep doing prep days

 

[BassNBrew]

Finished my prep for this. Ate a really light day yesterday. Today had a very small salad, no dressing; a few pieces of canteloupe; a handful of raw almonds, and then just finished up with dinner, which was a couple small pieces of chicken and some spinach. Sprinkled in a little green tea a couple times. Tomorrow it's off to the races. This ought to be a nightmare, I mean fun.

Why alomonds? Those things are loaded with calories.

 

[BassNBrew]

This is a weight-loss thing?

I mean, you drink vegetables and ingest nothing else. I sure as hell hope so.

It looks more like a colon-blow thing than a diet thing. You can't lose that much weight in 3 days without doing anything. And if you want low calories, I've read you should read the fruits/vegetables rather than drinking the juice. You fill up much more for the same calories.But.... you should do it. What could go wrong?

It's a jump start on a diet thing. Also, you have a couple prep days where you basically cut all the crap out before you start it. So my juice gets delivered tomorrow afternoon, I start the next day. Today I ate a banana, a salad with no meat and no dressing (it looked like what you empty out of a lawnmower), and one of those greek yogurts. I've got some almonds to let loose in a bit and get really wild.So at the end of the week is it possible I lost 10lbs? I bet maybe.

How tall are you again? Notebook says 6'3"ish?

6'4"

And how heavy these days?

Bump.Oh, and I'll take the over.

There's a link to a scale photo earlier in the thread. TREASURE HUNT

Unfortunately, my work blocks imagur.net or whatever ,S.

242

 

[DrJ]

Finished my prep for this. Ate a really light day yesterday. Today had a very small salad, no dressing; a few pieces of canteloupe; a handful of raw almonds, and then just finished up with dinner, which was a couple small pieces of chicken and some spinach. Sprinkled in a little green tea a couple times. Tomorrow it's off to the races. This ought to be a nightmare, I mean fun.

If the juice thing doesn't work, just keep doing prep days

That's a pretty unsustainable diet as well if you ask me. How many calories we got here? Maybe 800 being pretty generous?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Finished my prep for this. Ate a really light day yesterday. Today had a very small salad, no dressing; a few pieces of canteloupe; a handful of raw almonds, and then just finished up with dinner, which was a couple small pieces of chicken and some spinach. Sprinkled in a little green tea a couple times. Tomorrow it's off to the races. This ought to be a nightmare, I mean fun.

If the juice thing doesn't work, just keep doing prep days

 

[proninja]

Finished my prep for this. Ate a really light day yesterday. Today had a very small salad, no dressing; a few pieces of canteloupe; a handful of raw almonds, and then just finished up with dinner, which was a couple small pieces of chicken and some spinach. Sprinkled in a little green tea a couple times. Tomorrow it's off to the races. This ought to be a nightmare, I mean fun.

If the juice thing doesn't work, just keep doing prep days

That's a pretty unsustainable diet as well if you ask me. How many calories we got here? Maybe 800 being pretty generous?

I don't care. He's eating good food. I'm not trying to make the statement that he should eat exactly this every day forever. Calm down. Not sure why you guys are so invested in telling Otis everything he does is wrong.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

When you're done with this, try the DrJ diet plan. You can eat whatever the hell you like, and it's really simple.

I would actually say that's poor advice, since what works for you isn't always going to work for everyone.so, you might not get all that hungry during the day, and as a result don't overindulge on the calories, but otis is apparently some big fat slob, and when he gets to the point of being hungry all judgement is going to go out the window, and he'll attack the first beef sandwich he sees and gorge himself.

it's like drinking water in the summer if you're active in the sun --- don't wait 'til you're thirsty to start drinking water because by then it's too late.

the better course of action, for a big fatty like otis, would be to do that multiple small meal/snack thing throughout the day, in an effort to preemptively curb his hunger pangs.

just remember, a half dozen doughnuts doesn't count as the snack.

you should be smart enough that you're aware which foods are the hollow calories, and look for substitutions.

for example, my diet is already crap, so I wanted some kind of snack around that wouldn't be even more crap --- I decided to just get a big pile of sweet potatoes, and if I want a snack I'll microwave one up with maybe a little butter or salt.

I don't know if that's low cal, but I know it's better than the junk alternatives I'd be eating.

I address this as well - normal sized portions. If you aren't losing weight, make those "normal sized portions" smaller. He can eat that entire beef sandwich if he likes, but if that doesn't help him lose weight and he's still maintaining status quo then he simply needs to eat 2/3 of it or something. Voila. Weight starts falling off. Once that levels, if you aren't happy still, cut back to 1/2 of the sandwich. I have topped the 200 lb mark once in my life, my answer? Eat a single cheeseburger and small fries rather than the bacon double and large fries. Voila. Weight problem solved.It's just about finding a way to eat a reasonable number of calories for whatever weight he wants to be at. No need to change what you're eating necessary. Just eat less of it if your weight is too high.

I think what you're describing is what gets a lot of people into trouble. Fat slob Otis isn't going to be less attracted to the beef sandwich because he ate a snack. He'll probably eat both of them. Let him eat his gigantic beef sandwich dipped in gravy - just a little less. And if he's eating something in between while he's not really hungry, stop doing that. Problem solved.

I agree 100% on the portion control, and I think that's where most fatties fail -- the cheeseburger being a perfect example.my criticism with the dr j diet is that once otis actually becomes hungry it will be impossible for him to exercise good judgement with portion control, as we know fat ppl are very weak willed.

it's like when you're drinking (or, I'm drinking), after a few drinks my judgement is impaired to the level of a fat person, and it's increasingly unlikely that I'll use good judgement about what I eat, or how much more I drink.

otis will be like a fiending crackhead on your diet.

ps

I'd echo what the one guy said about salad dressing -- don't be stupid about that naked salad stuff.

if you have to choke down some lawn trimmings you are only sabotaging yourself.

nobody gets fat off a little vinaigrette, just make sure you read labels to see how much sugar is in this stuff.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Finished my prep for this. Ate a really light day yesterday. Today had a very small salad, no dressing; a few pieces of canteloupe; a handful of raw almonds, and then just finished up with dinner, which was a couple small pieces of chicken and some spinach. Sprinkled in a little green tea a couple times. Tomorrow it's off to the races. This ought to be a nightmare, I mean fun.

If the juice thing doesn't work, just keep doing prep days

That's a pretty unsustainable diet as well if you ask me. How many calories we got here? Maybe 800 being pretty generous?

I don't care. He's eating good food. I'm not trying to make the statement that he should eat exactly this every day forever. Calm down. Not sure why you guys are so invested in telling Otis everything he does is wrong.

I don't know which of us constitute the you guys, but seeing as how otis has reportedly shown zero results to date, I'd say it's somewhat likely that everything he does to lose weight is wrong.

 

[zDragon]

My juices get delivered this afternoon.Only hiccup is that I have a client dinner on Thurs night. I can't seriously sit at the table there with a bottle of juice. So I'll need a cheat meal. I'm thinking I can just order a soup for the starter and then have a salad or piece of salmon as the main course, and I'll drink water.

It is simpler to just eat Paleo/Primal and use the 80/20 rule. That way your not starving your self, eating a lot healthier, getting the calories you need, and can eat the good stuff when you want/need to. Like your client meal. I would eat what ever looked good on the menu and not worry about it knowing that the other 80% of the time I am eating healthy.Exercise wise I think it's simpler to just go the easy route. I lift heavy one day a week, walk one day, and sprint on a third. Each for about 20-30 minutes.That's my plan and I am healthier and feel better than I have since college when I was truly fit.

 

[proninja]

I don't know which of us constitute the you guys, but seeing as how otis has reportedly shown zero results to date, I'd say it's somewhat likely that everything he does to lose weight is wrong.

You seem very reasonable. Not directed toward you. Look, he's done a lot wrong. I'm talking to the crowd who, after a day of eating nothing but natural, healthy food and controlling his portions, has to chime in about how he's doing it all wrong and he can't live on that amount of food forever. Otis may not be perfect, but hell, he did the right thing today. Sustainable or not, he ate good food, and that's going to be the biggest issue of his for the rest of his life. Hard to gorge yourself on natural, fibrous foods.

 

[DrJ]

Finished my prep for this. Ate a really light day yesterday. Today had a very small salad, no dressing; a few pieces of canteloupe; a handful of raw almonds, and then just finished up with dinner, which was a couple small pieces of chicken and some spinach. Sprinkled in a little green tea a couple times. Tomorrow it's off to the races. This ought to be a nightmare, I mean fun.

If the juice thing doesn't work, just keep doing prep days

That's a pretty unsustainable diet as well if you ask me. How many calories we got here? Maybe 800 being pretty generous?

I don't care. He's eating good food. I'm not trying to make the statement that he should eat exactly this every day forever. Calm down. Not sure why you guys are so invested in telling Otis everything he does is wrong.

I have no problem with what he's doing here. But he's already hinting that this is going to be torture. This is all fine and good for a quick drop in some weight, but at some point he's going to have to find something that isn't torture. Maybe you're right that he'll find some other options he's overlooking to be appealing after he's submitted himself to torture. Somehow I doubt that though.

 

[proninja]

Finished my prep for this. Ate a really light day yesterday. Today had a very small salad, no dressing; a few pieces of canteloupe; a handful of raw almonds, and then just finished up with dinner, which was a couple small pieces of chicken and some spinach. Sprinkled in a little green tea a couple times. Tomorrow it's off to the races. This ought to be a nightmare, I mean fun.

If the juice thing doesn't work, just keep doing prep days

That's a pretty unsustainable diet as well if you ask me. How many calories we got here? Maybe 800 being pretty generous?

I don't care. He's eating good food. I'm not trying to make the statement that he should eat exactly this every day forever. Calm down. Not sure why you guys are so invested in telling Otis everything he does is wrong.

I have no problem with what he's doing here. But he's already hinting that this is going to be torture. This is all fine and good for a quick drop in some weight, but at some point he's going to have to find something that isn't torture.

Duh. You think he doesn't know that?

 

[Guest]

I agree 100% on the portion control, and I think that's where most fatties fail -- the cheeseburger being a perfect example.

my criticism with the dr j diet is that once otis actually becomes hungry it will be impossible for him to exercise good judgement with portion control, as we know fat ppl are very weak willed.

it's like when you're drinking (or, I'm drinking), after a few drinks my judgement is impaired to the level of a fat person, and it's increasingly unlikely that I'll use good judgement about what I eat, or how much more I drink.

Jesus.

 

[DrJ]

Finished my prep for this. Ate a really light day yesterday. Today had a very small salad, no dressing; a few pieces of canteloupe; a handful of raw almonds, and then just finished up with dinner, which was a couple small pieces of chicken and some spinach. Sprinkled in a little green tea a couple times. Tomorrow it's off to the races. This ought to be a nightmare, I mean fun.

If the juice thing doesn't work, just keep doing prep days

That's a pretty unsustainable diet as well if you ask me. How many calories we got here? Maybe 800 being pretty generous?

I don't care. He's eating good food. I'm not trying to make the statement that he should eat exactly this every day forever. Calm down. Not sure why you guys are so invested in telling Otis everything he does is wrong.

I have no problem with what he's doing here. But he's already hinting that this is going to be torture. This is all fine and good for a quick drop in some weight, but at some point he's going to have to find something that isn't torture.

Duh. You think he doesn't know that?

If he does, then what's the point of the torture?

 

[Otis]

Finished my prep for this. Ate a really light day yesterday. Today had a very small salad, no dressing; a few pieces of canteloupe; a handful of raw almonds, and then just finished up with dinner, which was a couple small pieces of chicken and some spinach. Sprinkled in a little green tea a couple times. Tomorrow it's off to the races. This ought to be a nightmare, I mean fun.

If the juice thing doesn't work, just keep doing prep days

That's a pretty unsustainable diet as well if you ask me. How many calories we got here? Maybe 800 being pretty generous?

I don't care. He's eating good food. I'm not trying to make the statement that he should eat exactly this every day forever. Calm down. Not sure why you guys are so invested in telling Otis everything he does is wrong.

WELCOME TO THE FFA. NEW HERE?

 

[proninja]

Finished my prep for this. Ate a really light day yesterday. Today had a very small salad, no dressing; a few pieces of canteloupe; a handful of raw almonds, and then just finished up with dinner, which was a couple small pieces of chicken and some spinach. Sprinkled in a little green tea a couple times. Tomorrow it's off to the races. This ought to be a nightmare, I mean fun.

If the juice thing doesn't work, just keep doing prep days

That's a pretty unsustainable diet as well if you ask me. How many calories we got here? Maybe 800 being pretty generous?

I don't care. He's eating good food. I'm not trying to make the statement that he should eat exactly this every day forever. Calm down. Not sure why you guys are so invested in telling Otis everything he does is wrong.

I have no problem with what he's doing here. But he's already hinting that this is going to be torture. This is all fine and good for a quick drop in some weight, but at some point he's going to have to find something that isn't torture.

Duh. You think he doesn't know that?

If he does, then what's the point of the torture?

Dunno. To figure out who really likes to tell him how fat and dumb he is?

 

[DrJ]

When you're done with this, try the DrJ diet plan. You can eat whatever the hell you like, and it's really simple.

I would actually say that's poor advice, since what works for you isn't always going to work for everyone.so, you might not get all that hungry during the day, and as a result don't overindulge on the calories, but otis is apparently some big fat slob, and when he gets to the point of being hungry all judgement is going to go out the window, and he'll attack the first beef sandwich he sees and gorge himself.

it's like drinking water in the summer if you're active in the sun --- don't wait 'til you're thirsty to start drinking water because by then it's too late.

the better course of action, for a big fatty like otis, would be to do that multiple small meal/snack thing throughout the day, in an effort to preemptively curb his hunger pangs.

just remember, a half dozen doughnuts doesn't count as the snack.

you should be smart enough that you're aware which foods are the hollow calories, and look for substitutions.

for example, my diet is already crap, so I wanted some kind of snack around that wouldn't be even more crap --- I decided to just get a big pile of sweet potatoes, and if I want a snack I'll microwave one up with maybe a little butter or salt.

I don't know if that's low cal, but I know it's better than the junk alternatives I'd be eating.

I address this as well - normal sized portions. If you aren't losing weight, make those "normal sized portions" smaller. He can eat that entire beef sandwich if he likes, but if that doesn't help him lose weight and he's still maintaining status quo then he simply needs to eat 2/3 of it or something. Voila. Weight starts falling off. Once that levels, if you aren't happy still, cut back to 1/2 of the sandwich. I have topped the 200 lb mark once in my life, my answer? Eat a single cheeseburger and small fries rather than the bacon double and large fries. Voila. Weight problem solved.It's just about finding a way to eat a reasonable number of calories for whatever weight he wants to be at. No need to change what you're eating necessary. Just eat less of it if your weight is too high.

I think what you're describing is what gets a lot of people into trouble. Fat slob Otis isn't going to be less attracted to the beef sandwich because he ate a snack. He'll probably eat both of them. Let him eat his gigantic beef sandwich dipped in gravy - just a little less. And if he's eating something in between while he's not really hungry, stop doing that. Problem solved.

I agree 100% on the portion control, and I think that's where most fatties fail -- the cheeseburger being a perfect example.my criticism with the dr j diet is that once otis actually becomes hungry it will be impossible for him to exercise good judgement with portion control, as we know fat ppl are very weak willed.

it's like when you're drinking (or, I'm drinking), after a few drinks my judgement is impaired to the level of a fat person, and it's increasingly unlikely that I'll use good judgement about what I eat, or how much more I drink.

otis will be like a fiending crackhead on your diet.

ps

I'd echo what the one guy said about salad dressing -- don't be stupid about that naked salad stuff.

if you have to choke down some lawn trimmings you are only sabotaging yourself.

nobody gets fat off a little vinaigrette, just make sure you read labels to see how much sugar is in this stuff.

Point taken.

 

[DrJ]

Finished my prep for this. Ate a really light day yesterday. Today had a very small salad, no dressing; a few pieces of canteloupe; a handful of raw almonds, and then just finished up with dinner, which was a couple small pieces of chicken and some spinach. Sprinkled in a little green tea a couple times. Tomorrow it's off to the races. This ought to be a nightmare, I mean fun.

If the juice thing doesn't work, just keep doing prep days

That's a pretty unsustainable diet as well if you ask me. How many calories we got here? Maybe 800 being pretty generous?

I don't care. He's eating good food. I'm not trying to make the statement that he should eat exactly this every day forever. Calm down. Not sure why you guys are so invested in telling Otis everything he does is wrong.

I have no problem with what he's doing here. But he's already hinting that this is going to be torture. This is all fine and good for a quick drop in some weight, but at some point he's going to have to find something that isn't torture.

Duh. You think he doesn't know that?

If he does, then what's the point of the torture?

Dunno. To figure out who really likes to tell him how fat and dumb he is?

I wouldn't know how fat and dumb he is if he didn't broadcast it to everyone. Just like you guys wouldn't know my kid is stupid and likes to blow loud horns in her face and I'm a terrible parent if I hadn't broadcast that.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I don't know which of us constitute the you guys, but seeing as how otis has reportedly shown zero results to date, I'd say it's somewhat likely that everything he does to lose weight is wrong.

You seem very reasonable. Not directed toward you. Look, he's done a lot wrong. I'm talking to the crowd who, after a day of eating nothing but natural, healthy food and controlling his portions, has to chime in about how he's doing it all wrong and he can't live on that amount of food forever. Otis may not be perfect, but hell, he did the right thing today. Sustainable or not, he ate good food, and that's going to be the biggest issue of his for the rest of his life. Hard to gorge yourself on natural, fibrous foods.

well, I would both agree and disagree.I agree that for that one day otis made some good decisions, and bear in mind I'm about the farthest thing from a nutritionist, but the you guys of the thread make some good points in that if he goes so far as to torture himself by counting his almonds and eating his lawn trimmings, my concern will be that next week he'll be filling the bathtub up with gravy and writhing around with a half dozen beef sandwiches -- all progress lost.

 

[DrJ]

I don't know which of us constitute the you guys, but seeing as how otis has reportedly shown zero results to date, I'd say it's somewhat likely that everything he does to lose weight is wrong.

You seem very reasonable. Not directed toward you. Look, he's done a lot wrong. I'm talking to the crowd who, after a day of eating nothing but natural, healthy food and controlling his portions, has to chime in about how he's doing it all wrong and he can't live on that amount of food forever. Otis may not be perfect, but hell, he did the right thing today. Sustainable or not, he ate good food, and that's going to be the biggest issue of his for the rest of his life. Hard to gorge yourself on natural, fibrous foods.

He's suggesting fatties are all weak willed and have no self control, and you're calling this reasonable. It's all good that you dislike me, lots of people do, but don't let that cloud your judgement. I've achieved a healthy BMI off of nothing but junk food, a professor submitted himself to an all junk food diet with the same results, there's nothing unreasonable about what I'm proposing.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Finished my prep for this. Ate a really light day yesterday. Today had a very small salad, no dressing; a few pieces of canteloupe; a handful of raw almonds, and then just finished up with dinner, which was a couple small pieces of chicken and some spinach. Sprinkled in a little green tea a couple times. Tomorrow it's off to the races. This ought to be a nightmare, I mean fun.

If the juice thing doesn't work, just keep doing prep days

That's a pretty unsustainable diet as well if you ask me. How many calories we got here? Maybe 800 being pretty generous?

I don't care. He's eating good food. I'm not trying to make the statement that he should eat exactly this every day forever. Calm down. Not sure why you guys are so invested in telling Otis everything he does is wrong.

I have no problem with what he's doing here. But he's already hinting that this is going to be torture. This is all fine and good for a quick drop in some weight, but at some point he's going to have to find something that isn't torture.

Duh. You think he doesn't know that?

If he does, then what's the point of the torture?

Dunno. To figure out who really likes to tell him how fat and dumb he is?

I wouldn't know how fat and dumb he is if he didn't broadcast it to everyone. Just like you guys wouldn't know my kid is stupid and likes to blow loud horns in her face and I'm a terrible parent if I hadn't broadcast that.

you're that horn guy??I remember that, now.how'd your kid turn out?

 

[Otis]

 

[DrJ]

Finished my prep for this. Ate a really light day yesterday. Today had a very small salad, no dressing; a few pieces of canteloupe; a handful of raw almonds, and then just finished up with dinner, which was a couple small pieces of chicken and some spinach. Sprinkled in a little green tea a couple times. Tomorrow it's off to the races. This ought to be a nightmare, I mean fun.

If the juice thing doesn't work, just keep doing prep days

That's a pretty unsustainable diet as well if you ask me. How many calories we got here? Maybe 800 being pretty generous?

I don't care. He's eating good food. I'm not trying to make the statement that he should eat exactly this every day forever. Calm down. Not sure why you guys are so invested in telling Otis everything he does is wrong.

I have no problem with what he's doing here. But he's already hinting that this is going to be torture. This is all fine and good for a quick drop in some weight, but at some point he's going to have to find something that isn't torture.

Duh. You think he doesn't know that?

If he does, then what's the point of the torture?

Dunno. To figure out who really likes to tell him how fat and dumb he is?

I wouldn't know how fat and dumb he is if he didn't broadcast it to everyone. Just like you guys wouldn't know my kid is stupid and likes to blow loud horns in her face and I'm a terrible parent if I hadn't broadcast that.

you're that horn guy??I remember that, now.how'd your kid turn out?

All good, hearing is fine. Bass Pro Shops (I'll reveal the store name, the suing part was just schtick) did pay for the doctor visit. They supposedly put in a notice to their headquarters and the manufacturer that they should probably package this a little differently and maybe place it a little higher or something. The horns are still there packaged as crappy as ever, so I think they were just saying that. But whatever. You live, you learn.

 

[proninja]

I don't know which of us constitute the you guys, but seeing as how otis has reportedly shown zero results to date, I'd say it's somewhat likely that everything he does to lose weight is wrong.

You seem very reasonable. Not directed toward you. Look, he's done a lot wrong. I'm talking to the crowd who, after a day of eating nothing but natural, healthy food and controlling his portions, has to chime in about how he's doing it all wrong and he can't live on that amount of food forever. Otis may not be perfect, but hell, he did the right thing today. Sustainable or not, he ate good food, and that's going to be the biggest issue of his for the rest of his life. Hard to gorge yourself on natural, fibrous foods.

He's suggesting fatties are all weak willed and have no self control, and you're calling this reasonable. It's all good that you dislike me, lots of people do, but don't let that cloud your judgement. I've achieved a healthy BMI off of nothing but junk food, a professor submitted himself to an all junk food diet with the same results, there's nothing unreasonable about what I'm proposing.

Not sure why you think I dislike you. And it's awesome that you eat crap and look healthy. Congratulations?

 

[DrJ]

I don't know which of us constitute the you guys, but seeing as how otis has reportedly shown zero results to date, I'd say it's somewhat likely that everything he does to lose weight is wrong.

You seem very reasonable. Not directed toward you. Look, he's done a lot wrong. I'm talking to the crowd who, after a day of eating nothing but natural, healthy food and controlling his portions, has to chime in about how he's doing it all wrong and he can't live on that amount of food forever. Otis may not be perfect, but hell, he did the right thing today. Sustainable or not, he ate good food, and that's going to be the biggest issue of his for the rest of his life. Hard to gorge yourself on natural, fibrous foods.

He's suggesting fatties are all weak willed and have no self control, and you're calling this reasonable. It's all good that you dislike me, lots of people do, but don't let that cloud your judgement. I've achieved a healthy BMI off of nothing but junk food, a professor submitted himself to an all junk food diet with the same results, there's nothing unreasonable about what I'm proposing.

Not sure why you think I dislike you. And it's awesome that you eat crap and look healthy. Congratulations?

I dunno, just kind of seems that way. You can actually see my abs some days, it rules. Pisses my wife off to no end.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I wouldn't know how fat and dumb he is if he didn't broadcast it to everyone. Just like you guys wouldn't know my kid is stupid and likes to blow loud horns in her face and I'm a terrible parent if I hadn't broadcast that.

you're that horn guy??I remember that, now.how'd your kid turn out?

All good, hearing is fine. Bass Pro Shops (I'll reveal the store name, the suing part was just schtick) did pay for the doctor visit. They supposedly put in a notice to their headquarters and the manufacturer that they should probably package this a little differently and maybe place it a little higher or something. The horns are still there packaged as crappy as ever, so I think they were just saying that. But whatever. You live, you learn.

if there are any lawyers in here --- does paying for a doctor visit open them up for any extra risk of liability, like they are implicitly admitting guilt, or would it actually be independent of any litigation?

 

[DrJ]

I wouldn't know how fat and dumb he is if he didn't broadcast it to everyone. Just like you guys wouldn't know my kid is stupid and likes to blow loud horns in her face and I'm a terrible parent if I hadn't broadcast that.

you're that horn guy??I remember that, now.how'd your kid turn out?

All good, hearing is fine. Bass Pro Shops (I'll reveal the store name, the suing part was just schtick) did pay for the doctor visit. They supposedly put in a notice to their headquarters and the manufacturer that they should probably package this a little differently and maybe place it a little higher or something. The horns are still there packaged as crappy as ever, so I think they were just saying that. But whatever. You live, you learn.

if there are any lawyers in here --- does paying for a doctor visit open them up for any extra risk of liability, like they are implicitly admitting guilt, or would it actually be independent of any litigation?

The consensus in the thread seemed to be that there would actually have to be damages. Since the doctor found no damage, I would have had to invent some pain and suffering or something, and even then, it would have been pretty flimsy.

 

[zDragon]

I don't know which of us constitute the you guys, but seeing as how otis has reportedly shown zero results to date, I'd say it's somewhat likely that everything he does to lose weight is wrong.

You seem very reasonable. Not directed toward you. Look, he's done a lot wrong. I'm talking to the crowd who, after a day of eating nothing but natural, healthy food and controlling his portions, has to chime in about how he's doing it all wrong and he can't live on that amount of food forever. Otis may not be perfect, but hell, he did the right thing today. Sustainable or not, he ate good food, and that's going to be the biggest issue of his for the rest of his life. Hard to gorge yourself on natural, fibrous foods.

He's suggesting fatties are all weak willed and have no self control, and you're calling this reasonable. It's all good that you dislike me, lots of people do, but don't let that cloud your judgement. I've achieved a healthy BMI off of nothing but junk food, a professor submitted himself to an all junk food diet with the same results, there's nothing unreasonable about what I'm proposing.

BMI is useless and does not tell you if you are Healthy.

 

[Righetti]

I have known Otis for twenty years and be goes on these kinds of diets every few months (usually it is a slim shake one)He stays with it for a week and then has a bender and wakes up with empty McDonalds bags all over his room, powdered sugar on his face and a credit card receipt of $200 worth of beer in his pocketThe issue for him (and many other people) isn't the first two or three days, it's staying disciplined. I always say to him that he should get some moderate regular excercise and cut out the real junk (donuts, chocolate chip cookies, Oreos) would see results. The other thing is that he hates vegetables. He takes the tomato off of a burger, scrapes the lettuce off of a chicken sandwichSmall steps that are sustainable are much more effective than a crash diet IMHO

 

[bushdocda]

Otis you will probably have a headache and be pretty hungry in the initial days but it will pass. I doubt cigarettes and blow are approved on this diet so I guess you'll have to go with gum and water instead.

 

[Otis]

CRASH THIS, RIGHETTI

 

[Otis]

My that was pretty awful.

 

[Otis]

Otis you will probably have a headache and be pretty hungry in the initial days but it will pass. I doubt cigarettes and blow are approved on this diet so I guess you'll have to go with gum and water instead.

Nice headache kicking in already. Gonna fire up a gallon of green tea. brb

 

[James Daulton]

My that was pretty awful.

Stay strong gb. THIS time things will be different.

 

[Righetti]

CRASH THIS, RIGHETTI

Glass bottles, fancy!

 

[Slapdash]

I have known Otis for twenty years and be goes on these kinds of diets every few months (usually it is a slim shake one)He stays with it for a week and then has a bender and wakes up with empty McDonalds bags all over his room, powdered sugar on his face and a credit card receipt of $200 worth of beer in his pocketThe issue for him (and many other people) isn't the first two or three days, it's staying disciplined. I always say to him that he should get some moderate regular excersize and cut out the real junk (donuts, chocolate chip cookies, Oreos) would see results. The other thing is that he hates vegetables. He takes the tomato off of a burger, scrapes the lettuce off of a chicken sandwichSmall steps that are sustainable are much more effective than a crash diet IMHO

No ####, people say this to him every time.

 

[Otis]

CRASH THIS, RIGHETTI

Glass bottles, fancy!

Plastic.

 

[Otis]

Thanks for the support friends!!!!1I feel awful. I think the combination of quitting booze, coffee, and cutting calories way down all at once are destroying me here. I went to bed before 9 Slept a lot. Still feel like the walking dead I'm so exhausted. And a crushing headache. Almost feel like I've got the flu or something. Hopefully it gets better from here.